All Blacks less and less dominant under Hansen

First topic message reminder :

• In 2012 The All Blacks averaged 33 points with a differential of 20
• In 2013 The All Blacks averaged 31 points with a differential of 13
• In 2014 The All Blacks averaged 28 points with a differential of 11

Are they heading towards a fall?

Is Hansen the coach the New Zealand public think he is?

http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/12/03/blacks-setting-world-cup-tumble/

Gwlad wrote:

Steve_rugby wrote:I'm sure there were another 14 people on the pitch.

whose names and impact on England rugby largely pale by comparison with Jonny

What a load of rubbish.

Leonard, Regan, Vickery, Johnson, Borthwick, Hill, Back, Dallaglio, Dawson, Healey, Catt, Greeenwood, Cohen, Lewsey, Robinson, plus many, many others.

Gwlad wrote:

Steve_rugby wrote:I'm sure there were another 14 people on the pitch.

whose names and impact on England rugby largely pale by comparison with Jonny

Really? I think several would and are called for these days.

Steve_rugby wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

Steve_rugby wrote:I'm sure there were another 14 people on the pitch.

whose names and impact on England rugby largely pale by comparison with Jonny

What a load of rubbish.

Leonard, Regan, Vickery, Johnson, Borthwick, Hill, Back, Dallaglio, Dawson, Healey, Catt, Greeenwood, Cohen, Lewsey, Robinson, plus many, many others.

Count up the points scored in the wins over he SH in that period. Remove the Bok thrashing and England scored 13 tries and let in 15! That is a phenomenal stat for a non losing run.

65 points were scored from tries...207 from non tries.

Wilko's impact on that run is emphatic.

Steve_rugby wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

Steve_rugby wrote:I'm sure there were another 14 people on the pitch.

whose names and impact on England rugby largely pale by comparison with Jonny

What a load of rubbish.

Leonard, Regan, Vickery, Johnson, Borthwick, Hill, Back, Dallaglio, Dawson, Healey, Catt, Greeenwood, Cohen, Lewsey, Robinson, plus many, many others.

Jesus are you being deliberately obtuse or just like coming 2nd in an argument….I said, BY COMPARISON.

I bet if you add up all the points these guys scored in all competition since they were born it wouldn't COMPARE with Jonny's tally.

Johnson, Hill, Dallaglio, etc had do impact on England rugby ? Really ? How did England get in position for England to score all those tries and for Wilkinson to kick a few penalties ?

What has the points they scored got to do with the impact they had on England ?

Steve_rugby wrote:Johnson, Hill, Dallaglio, etc had do impact on England rugby ? Really ? How did England get in position for England to score all those tries and for Wilkinson to kick a few penalties ?

What has the points they scored got to do with the impact they had on England ?

Oh dear, there is no point me having a battle of wits with a man so unarmed as yourself.

however since you clearly don't understand what you are talking about, lets put it this way

RWC Finals 2003. Wilkinson, top scorer in the tournament, kicked 54/67 total points in the quarter,semi and final during which only 2 tries were scored by England

Who else made any contribution of note to scoring. NO ONE.

England's RWC 2003 campaign was a one man show. Whoever had jonny was going to win.

Got it now?

We were lucky enough that, with the right team behind them , we developed a bunch of players who were the best to ever come out of England. Greenwood, Robinson, Hill, MJ were probably the stand outs other than Saint Johnny.

lostinwales wrote:We were lucky enough that, with the right team behind them , we developed  a bunch of players who were the best to ever come out of England. Greenwood, Robinson, Hill, MJ were probably the stand outs other than Saint Johnny.

totally agree, Hill, Dayglo and Back, what a back row. Last decent centre pairing England have had, Greenwood and Tins. Billy whizz, my favorite rugby player. Jonno my favourite abrasive nasty forward who no Captain has come close to emulating except maybe Fitzpatrick.

It was the complete team with a great bench and few teams have come close to that standard since.

But comparison with Jonny the match winning metronomic boot, frankly there is none.

Gwlad wrote:

Steve_rugby wrote:Johnson, Hill, Dallaglio, etc had do impact on England rugby ? Really ? How did England get in position for England to score all those tries and for Wilkinson to kick a few penalties ?

What has the points they scored got to do with the impact they had on England ?

Oh dear, there is no point me having a battle of wits with a man so unarmed as yourself.

however since you clearly don't understand what you are talking about, lets put it this way

RWC Finals 2003. Wilkinson, top scorer in the tournament, kicked 54/67 total points in the quarter,semi and final during which only 2 tries were scored by England

Who else made any contribution of note to scoring. NO ONE.

England's RWC 2003 campaign was a one man show. Whoever had jonny was going to win.

Got it now?

What a load of rubbish.

So, did all those great players get England into positions whereby the opposition committed offences for kick at goal or did JW do all the hard yards as well ? I thought not.

Steve_rugby wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

Steve_rugby wrote:Johnson, Hill, Dallaglio, etc had do impact on England rugby ? Really ? How did England get in position for England to score all those tries and for Wilkinson to kick a few penalties ?

What has the points they scored got to do with the impact they had on England ?

Oh dear, there is no point me having a battle of wits with a man so unarmed as yourself.

however since you clearly don't understand what you are talking about, lets put it this way

RWC Finals 2003. Wilkinson, top scorer in the tournament, kicked 54/67 total points in the quarter,semi and final during which only 2 tries were scored by England

Who else made any contribution of note to scoring. NO ONE.

England's RWC 2003 campaign was a one man show. Whoever had jonny was going to win.

Got it now?

What a load of rubbish.

So, did all those great players get England into positions whereby the opposition committed offences for kick at goal or did JW do all the hard yards as well ? I thought not.

which Jonny scored.