2015/2016 ERCC Play-Off Final - Gloucester v Bordeaux-Bègles, 31 May
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2015/2016 ERCC Play-Off Final - Gloucester v Bordeaux-Bègles, 31 May
Gloucester Rugby v Bordeaux-Bègles
Sunday 31 May
KO: 17:00
Sixways Stadium, Worcester
Live on Sky Sports 3 / beIN Sports
Referee: Leighton Hodges (Wales)
Assistant referees: Dudley Phillips (Ireland), Rhys Thomas (Wales)
TMO: Jim Yuille (Scotland)
A. Head to Head
3 Played 3
2 Wins 1
1 Losses 2
0 Draws 0
6 Tries 5
3 Conversions 5
10 Penalties 7
0 Drop Goals 0
66 Points 56
25 Avg. Age 27
B. Run-In
Gloucester Rugby
24/05/15 - Gloucester 40 - 32 Connacht
16/05/15 - Bath 50 - 30 Gloucester
09/05/15 - Gloucester 35 - 13 London Irish
Bordeaux-Bègles
23/01/15 - Edinburgh 38 - 20 Bordeaux
16/01/15 - Bordeaux 26 - 3 L Welsh
12/12/14 - Lyon 37 - 28 Bordeaux
C. Teams
Gloucester Rugby
Cook; Sharples, Meakes, Twelvetrees (capt), May; Hook, Laidlaw; Wood, Hibbard, Afoa; Savage, Palmer; Kalamafoni, Rowan, Moriarty.
Replacements: Dawidiuk, Thomas, Knight, Stooke, Thomas, Robson, Burns, Purdy.
Bordeaux-Bègles
Guitone; Talebulamaijaina, Le Bourhis, Rey, Connor; Bernard, Adams; Poirot, Avei, Toetu, Marais, Botha, Madaule (capt), Chalmers, Saili.
Replacements: Maynadier, Poux, Gomez Kodela, Jaulhac, Clarkin, Lesgourgues, Beauxis, Serin.
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Re: 2015/2016 ERCC Play-Off Final - Gloucester v Bordeaux-Bègles, 31 May
Yet another game to qualify. Qualify to Qualify to Qualify to Qualify. Sponsor to Advertiser to Merchandise to Ratings
Poor players.
Poor players.
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Re: 2015/2016 ERCC Play-Off Final - Gloucester v Bordeaux-Bègles, 31 May
The game is a home game for Glaws, but it is actually being held at Sixways due to a Madness concert being held at Kingsholm the night before. Apparently the club didn't realise there would be a conflict until it was too late. I don't think there could have been a more apt band to cause this situation!
This truly is a mad situation and I cannot believe the ERC are going to push on with this for future seasons. Part of the reason for the restructuring of the European tournaments was to create a more competitive 2nd tier competition and the winner of the Challenge Cup should qualify for the Champions Cu. However, as there is no incentive to win the cup you're not going to get the buy in from French clubs. Likewise, without any highlights of the games and very little coverage you're not going to build interest with the fans either.
On the plus side, as we're going to have to wait until October for club rugby to return, one extra game is an added bonus. Hopefully I don't spend the summer mulling over a loss. Last weekend's game will have taken it out of the players and they will need a low intensity training week to recover in time. I'm hoping that the mental dejection of their last minute loss will cause Bordeaux to be off the boil...
This truly is a mad situation and I cannot believe the ERC are going to push on with this for future seasons. Part of the reason for the restructuring of the European tournaments was to create a more competitive 2nd tier competition and the winner of the Challenge Cup should qualify for the Champions Cu. However, as there is no incentive to win the cup you're not going to get the buy in from French clubs. Likewise, without any highlights of the games and very little coverage you're not going to build interest with the fans either.
On the plus side, as we're going to have to wait until October for club rugby to return, one extra game is an added bonus. Hopefully I don't spend the summer mulling over a loss. Last weekend's game will have taken it out of the players and they will need a low intensity training week to recover in time. I'm hoping that the mental dejection of their last minute loss will cause Bordeaux to be off the boil...
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Re: 2015/2016 ERCC Play-Off Final - Gloucester v Bordeaux-Bègles, 31 May
Surely you have to be confident about this one, Honkers?
If Edinburgh can beat them....
If Edinburgh can beat them....
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Is there some kind of system that determines who gets home draws and who plays away. Seems a little odd that Gloucester have 2 home games yet Connacht and Bordeaux both have to travel. Is this purely done on a random draw or does each league get this system in rotating terms. Would be a little unfair I feel on the Pro 12 and Top 14 if English playoff teams constantly end up with home draws even if it came from a draw system. I've not really seen how they decide who and how the playoff thing works to be honest so anyone who can clear this up for me would be appreciated.
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Re: 2015/2016 ERCC Play-Off Final - Gloucester v Bordeaux-Bègles, 31 May
Anyway, basing my analysis on the pics, I have to say I'm for Bordeaux. Forgive me but you see my dilemma.
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oooohhh their two different people! I thought one was a Glos lass before you've drunk your own body weight in cheap home made cider, and the other was your image of a Glos lass afterwards. (You can choose which is which).
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Re: 2015/2016 ERCC Play-Off Final - Gloucester v Bordeaux-Bègles, 31 May
I'm afraid that the most attractive woman from Gloucestershire that I could find was JK Rowling. So if we're bringing the funny instead, then Mr Pegg is the obvious choice.
Élodie Yung is so completely smoking that it matters not a crap that she is from Paris and not Bordeaux. But her mum is from there, so that's more than good enough for me. WTF do people want for nothing (etc)?
Élodie Yung is so completely smoking that it matters not a crap that she is from Paris and not Bordeaux. But her mum is from there, so that's more than good enough for me. WTF do people want for nothing (etc)?
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Welshmushroom wrote:Is there some kind of system that determines who gets home draws and who plays away. Seems a little odd that Gloucester have 2 home games yet Connacht and Bordeaux both have to travel. Is this purely done on a random draw or does each league get this system in rotating terms. Would be a little unfair I feel on the Pro 12 and Top 14 if English playoff teams constantly end up with home draws even if it came from a draw system. I've not really seen how they decide who and how the playoff thing works to be honest so anyone who can clear this up for me would be appreciated.
But having already won a competition that both BB and Connacht were in, I'd argue that the least they can do is give us these two arbitrary games at home. Shouldn't need to play them.
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Kelly Brook lives in Gloucestershire, does that count? Unfortunately she's never been near Glaws where the female population oozes testosterone. If you have any sense, like me, you widen the gene pool by choosing your bride from the wider world, i.e. Cheltenham
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Gloucestere team announced :
Rob Cook; Charlie Sharples, Bill Meakes, Billy Twelvetrees (capt), Jonny May; James Hook, Greig Laidlaw; Nick Wood, Richard Hibbard, John Afoa; Tom Savage, Tom Palmer; Sione Kalamafoni, Jacob Rowan, Ross Moriarty
Replacements:
Darren Dawidiuk, Yann Thomas, Shaun Knight, Elliott Stooke, Dan Thomas, Callum Braley, Billy Burns, Henry Purdy
also announced :
Referee: Leighton Hodges (Wales)
Assistant referees: Dudley Phillips (Ireland), Rhys Thomas (Wales)
TMO: Jim Yuille (Scotland)
Rob Cook; Charlie Sharples, Bill Meakes, Billy Twelvetrees (capt), Jonny May; James Hook, Greig Laidlaw; Nick Wood, Richard Hibbard, John Afoa; Tom Savage, Tom Palmer; Sione Kalamafoni, Jacob Rowan, Ross Moriarty
Replacements:
Darren Dawidiuk, Yann Thomas, Shaun Knight, Elliott Stooke, Dan Thomas, Callum Braley, Billy Burns, Henry Purdy
also announced :
Referee: Leighton Hodges (Wales)
Assistant referees: Dudley Phillips (Ireland), Rhys Thomas (Wales)
TMO: Jim Yuille (Scotland)
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Dudley's going to ruin that game. Oh well, these play-off-off-offs were a good idea in someone's head at the beginning of the year.
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Any Cherries fans interested in this game today?
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EnglishReign wrote:Welshmushroom wrote:Is there some kind of system that determines who gets home draws and who plays away. Seems a little odd that Gloucester have 2 home games yet Connacht and Bordeaux both have to travel. Is this purely done on a random draw or does each league get this system in rotating terms. Would be a little unfair I feel on the Pro 12 and Top 14 if English playoff teams constantly end up with home draws even if it came from a draw system. I've not really seen how they decide who and how the playoff thing works to be honest so anyone who can clear this up for me would be appreciated.
But having already won a competition that both BB and Connacht were in, I'd argue that the least they can do is give us these two arbitrary games at home. Shouldn't need to play them.
Didn't gloucester Want the ECC winners to not gain automatic promotion... I thought the PRL were acting for all their clubs when they tried to dismantle European rugby to make it farer for the wealthiest clubs in Europe.
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SecretFly wrote:Dudley's going to ruin that game. Oh well, these play-off-off-offs were a good idea in someone's head at the beginning of the year.
Play-offs were a bloody awful idea, created purely to generate money and keep Sky/BT happy.
On this game - I really hope that we see further virtuoso performances from May and 36 following up what they have done in recent high profile games.
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maestegmafia wrote:Didn't gloucester Want the ECC winners to not gain automatic promotion... I thought the PRL were acting for all their clubs when they tried to dismantle European rugby to make it farer for the wealthiest clubs in Europe.
These playoffs were part of the deal offered by the unions when the mediator was present. Everyone was involved...except the PRL. So to suggest that they are originators is bit...strange (other than the knee-jerk blame them for everything).
The playoffs do suck and it would be much better for the Challenge Cup win to just get a spot.
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George Carlin wrote:Any Cherries fans interested in this game today?
Absolutely! Just about to head off to it. It really is a needless game but given we have to wait until October for the next game I'll take one pointless match. Hopefully the French don't then up otherwise this could be a tough game.
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UBB president Laurent Marti is clearly taking it seriously as he's bringing ALL club staff and players to Sixways.
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whocares wrote:UBB president Laurent Marti is clearly taking it seriously as he's bringing ALL club staff and players to Sixways.
to act as the Away fans?
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Really looking forward to it but don't like the sound of whocares comments.
Come on Glaws! Last hurdle...
Come on Glaws! Last hurdle...
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19-13 for glaws at HT. Bit of a come back from UBB who were trailing 16-0 at some point...
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20-19, so fair play to Bordeaux. Gloucester been playing pretty much all the rugby since they went behind but there's a slight air of panic in some of the attempted offloads. They've got the penetration and skill, just need composure.
Penalty in front of the posts for Gloucester now. Still back them to win this.
Penalty in front of the posts for Gloucester now. Still back them to win this.
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Last kick of the game, although I don't think that was a penalty as it looked like a truck and trailer move
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Unbelievable scenes. Gloucester have the ball deep in the Bordeaux half, simply needing to run down the clock, but with 15 seconds left they give away a soft penalty. Bordeaux kick to touch, get the catch and drive going forward, and Pierre Bernard nails an absolutely unbelievable drop goal.
23-22. Gloucester distraught. They've lost a game they should have closed out easily. Simply unbelievable smash and grab victory for Bordeaux-Begles.
23-22. Gloucester distraught. They've lost a game they should have closed out easily. Simply unbelievable smash and grab victory for Bordeaux-Begles.
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Gutting for Gloucester - if they'd held on to the ball a few more seconds they would have been in the Champions Cup.
Small, small margins!
Especially gutting given the extra effort they've had to put in to try to get there.
Small, small margins!
Especially gutting given the extra effort they've had to put in to try to get there.
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To be honest I would have been happy for either side to get in, they're both from real rugby towns and have great local support. But my heart goes out to Gloucester. That is the cruellest of finishes.
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Ahh! So cruel - so sorry for Gloucester. Unfortunately no choking from Bordeaux.
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Some way for Pierre Bernard to earn redemption.
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Congrats to Bordeaux - dug deep and got the result. As Notch said proper rugby city and I believe the best supported French club. 30k+ average I think the commentary said...
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Absolutely gutted. We play what seems like a never ending string of close and stressful fixtures - Bordeaux turn up for one game and get last gasp glory. Ah well, that's rugby, that's life. Good luck to them in the elite competition next season.
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Justice after what happened last week. My heart isn't bleeding for Gloucester.
Congrats UBB and whocares.
Congrats UBB and whocares.
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Vince, what happened last week?
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Romain Poite made a high profile mistake that led to Gloucester scoring a try which took it to extra time, denying Connacht the win. It was disappointing that a controversial refereeing decision changed the game, I agree, but thats not Gloucesters fault. They played to the referee's whistle.
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No not Gloucester fault indeed but iffy ref decisions and home advantage got them through last week.
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On the bright side for Glaws fans, this way you can try & retain your trophy next year.
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....and the winner of next year's Challenge Cup with qualify for the Champions Cup I'm fairly sure!
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I wanted Gloucester to win, but as with most of their season they were too often too slapdash. Gloucester may become a more coherent side next season, but based on the performances this I think the better of the three sides in the playoffs qualified for the Champions Cup.
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From what I have read about last week there were other questionable decisions that went against Gloucs earlier in the game, but of course the only one that matters is the last one.
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RDW_Scotland wrote:....and the winner of next year's Challenge Cup with qualify for the Champions Cup I'm fairly sure!
Good they're changing it next season to what it should have been in the first place.
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GLove39 wrote:RDW_Scotland wrote:....and the winner of next year's Challenge Cup with qualify for the Champions Cup I'm fairly sure!
Good they're changing it next season to what it should have been in the first place.
Only for next season cause of the world cup! after that it'll be back to the convulted playoff system
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RDW_Scotland wrote:GLove39 wrote:RDW_Scotland wrote:....and the winner of next year's Challenge Cup with qualify for the Champions Cup I'm fairly sure!
Good they're changing it next season to what it should have been in the first place.
Only for next season cause of the world cup! after that it'll be back to the convulted playoff system
What!?!?!?
That's just monumentally stupid.
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But a different convoluted playoff format to this years, confusingly,
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Notch wrote:But a different convoluted playoff format to this years, confusingly,
God, I'm really not keeping up these days!
What's the new format?
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Gutting but we only have ourselves to blame. We lacked composure for most of the 2nd half and squandered numerous opportunities. It was perhaps one game too far and last week's efforts seemed to take their toll.
I hope Gatland wasn't watching the game otherwise Moriarty will be lost to England, he had a truly immense game and was heads and shoulders above any other Glaws player.
I hope Gatland wasn't watching the game otherwise Moriarty will be lost to England, he had a truly immense game and was heads and shoulders above any other Glaws player.
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Um, I think its two Pro12 sides away to an English and French side in the "semis" and then the winners of those games play... somewhere.
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To facilitate Rugby World Cup 2015, there will be no play-offs for the 2016/17 Champions Cup with the 20th place going to the winner of the 2016 Challenge Cup if not already qualified.
For the 2017/18 season and beyond, the play-off format will include four clubs with a second PRO12 club competing. If not already qualified, the winner of the Challenge Cup will take the place in the play-offs of the seventh-ranked club in the Aviva Premiership and Top 14, and will also take the place of the second PRO12 club if applicable.
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What à rollercoaster! First commiserations to Gloucester fans. Having been on the wrong side of 1 points defeats many times I know it must be difficult to take. I was exepecting a strong first 20 minutes from UBB and the usual 2H collapse but somehow the opposite happens. A win away to a good AP side is quite a landmark for them. Hopefully will give them more appetite for next year RCC although I am realistic and one or two wins would already be great. Hopefully will draw one big name such as an Irish province to get a full house in the brand new Stadium (if we get to play there).
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whocares wrote:What à rollercoaster! First commiserations to Gloucester fans. Having been on the wrong side of 1 points defeats many times I know it must be difficult to take. I was exepecting a strong first 20 minutes from UBB and the usual 2H collapse but somehow the opposite happens. A win away to a good AP side is quite a landmark for them. Hopefully will give them more appetite for next year RCC although I am realistic and one or two wins would already be great. Hopefully will draw one big name such as an Irish province to get a full house in the brand new Stadium (if we get to play there).
Congratulations, it will be great to see that passionate home support in the Big Cup next year.
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... and who does the place go to if they are already qualified - the next team in their league?
It would be ironic that the brave new ERCC world is promoting exactly the unmeritorious system they decried in the old HEC!
The Challenge Cup winner should still be in a playoff but get a home tie and only have one game - i.e. play the winner of the other two leagues play-off. That would still be meritorious and give enough incentive for winning the Challenge Cup.
It would be ironic that the brave new ERCC world is promoting exactly the unmeritorious system they decried in the old HEC!
The Challenge Cup winner should still be in a playoff but get a home tie and only have one game - i.e. play the winner of the other two leagues play-off. That would still be meritorious and give enough incentive for winning the Challenge Cup.
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hawalsh wrote:I wanted Gloucester to win, but as with most of their season they were too often too slapdash. Gloucester may become a more coherent side next season, but based on the performances this I think the better of the three sides in the playoffs qualified for the Champions Cup.
Agreed. Bordeaux were the next best team in Europe from those that hadn't already qualified. They may have been squeezed into 7th in the Top14 but they have the physicality to compete with the top sides and play a good brand of rugby, second only to Toulon for tries and points scored in the Top14, with the rest a fair bit behind. And now that Ibanez and Worsley are staying they should be well placed to continue to progress. It'll also be good to see AAC playing in the Champions next year.
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