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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 13 Jun 2015, 6:49 pm

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Breaking News: London Wasps regain their crown following playoff final victory. 
 


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2014/2015 – London Wasps
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers 
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons 
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons 
2009/2010 – Saracens 
2008/2009 - London Irish





                                             

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Welcome to Season 8 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game.  Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to.  If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
 
 
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players.  If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 23 players.  Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1993. 

Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.
  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will receive two additional bids to be used exclusively on academy age players. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by the RFU on its own merits before being accepted or rejected.  No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by the RFU against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
    Player Draft
    Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will participate in a player draft beginning the week of June 22nd. Both sides will be allowed to draft two players each. The draft picks will go as follows; 1. Worcester 2. Wasps 3. Wasps 4. Worcester.

    Round Bidding
    There will be two rounds of bidding. The first window will run the week starting June 29th and the second the week starting July 3rd. All sides will be allowed to sign one player each during the window. These bids are not protected if you do not have the funds in place to bid during the window you will lose the bid.     

    Open Bidding
    From July 13th the foreign market will be open to all bids similar to previous seasons. Due to the world cup the window will remain open till the end of September. 

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players.  Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches.  These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 20:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will pm the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved).  An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result.  To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box. 
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.

For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£2m for descriptive predictions 
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
Bonuses will be awarded on a scaled basis i.e. 2m for 5 games, 1.6m for 4 games and so on
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by BamBam Sat 11 Jul 2015, 2:21 pm

Doesn't look like it

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 11 Jul 2015, 2:22 pm

That's a bit rubbish

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 11 Jul 2015, 2:22 pm

Sky sports possibly?
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Post by BamBam Sat 11 Jul 2015, 2:30 pm

Just flicked through can't see it scheduled.. Might try looking up a stream if I have luck I'll let you know

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 11 Jul 2015, 6:59 pm

Easy win for SA by the sounds of it with Coetzee & WLR starring. Pollard had a bit a mare with the boot with Lambie coming back from injury from the bench.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 11 Jul 2015, 8:04 pm

Folks, only had a quick look but can see at least one squad over-limits. Can we all please keep to the limits. I will be doing a full check end of the week and random releases will apply.

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Post by Guest Sat 11 Jul 2015, 10:36 pm



Just like England Baba's this South Africa vs rest of world is
A waste of space. As we are in pro era it's nearly impossible
to throw a rugby side together and be competitive.
Also the nation involved use it as a training excercise and use new partnerships. In old days when rugby not pro barbarians games were like tests.

Also looks like RC will be a squad excercise. All 4 teams have said they will rest key players and try others.
Could see some new stars. also shows difference in attitude. We would never do same in 6 nations. Argentina have left out loads
Of key players which in past would never do. So players so better looked after. Less games = more quality


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Post by Guest Sat 11 Jul 2015, 11:06 pm

Good article. His chance will come http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/11731163/Maro-Itjoe-is-a-wonderful-talent-but-too-raw-for-World-Cup-consideration-this-time.html

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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 12:02 am

This is an all time XV and as ever for in the loose it's a poor one.

We all come from different eras and experience the game in different ways but this is poor


http://intheloose.com/2015/02/07/greatest-xv-time/

Jason Leonard was excellent but spent most of his career as a loosehead. Mccaw is a legend but not at 6. Michael jones reinvented 7 and best player I have ever seen at 7. Had massive injury and was religious and would not play Sunday's and came back as best 6 ever seen.

If jones is 7 Richard hill, Juan Smith, Schalk Burger, Mike Teague, Kaino all have a shout for 6.

Gareth Edwards a universal choice at 9.

The locks all wrong. Any team without Colin Meads at 4 is wrong.

Love all time XV's as such a debate and depends on your era.

Only universal picks I imagine are

2 Fitzpatrick


9 Edwards

10 Carter

Bod superb but Conrad smith, Bunce, Fourie,Gerber, Little all better in my view.

Blanco would be my 15 but In the modern era 15 such an important position for attacking  and now every int side has a tidy 15. When blanco played 15 booted ball and goals yet he would run from anywhere and was an athlete.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 12 Jul 2015, 11:47 am

I'm going to struggle to predict again today.

Not easy doing the PMs on my phone. Rarely get time on the laptop over the weekend

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Post by BamBam Sun 12 Jul 2015, 12:03 pm

To be fair matt, how many people here have seen Colin Meads play? Reckon the writer hadn't either

These things are so subjective, I could only really talk about players from about 99 onwards, that was the first world cup I can remember, I wouldn't be able to put Edwards, Fitzpatrick into a team based on anything other than other people saying they were the best

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jul 2015, 12:37 pm

I'm not sure it's that poor a selection to be honest. These things are always subjective, but there's nobody in that team who wouldn't ordinarily make it into a discussion about the best of all time in their position.
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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 12:42 pm

Bam good point. Only seen videos of Meads but he like Edwards are always seen as best ever in their positions.

as I said Bam the side people would pick would always reflect when you started watching.

I remember the first World Cup but it was terribly televised and england were amateur whilst NZ players had been getting paid for years.

Always hard to compare era's. The way the game has changed is huge

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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 12:44 pm

Having Mccaw out of position and Leonard is a bit weird for me. I like these attempts at world XV's like
You say it's subjective and always gets a debate

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jul 2015, 12:44 pm

Not so sure about Mike Teague making a world XV

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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 1:04 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Not so sure about Mike Teague making a world XV

Me neither but I am massively biased to Mike Teague.
Absolute hero of mine

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jul 2015, 1:09 pm

anonmattyt wrote:Having Mccaw out of position and Leonard is a bit weird for me. I like these attempts at world XV's like
You say it's subjective and always gets a debate
I think it's a simple case of picking the two best flankers and they've gone McCaw and Jones.  Numbers on the back in that case don't make much odds.  If they'd gone 6. Jones 7. McCaw there's a debate if you think someone like Hill should be in, but there'd be no query that they're decent selections.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jul 2015, 1:22 pm

I'm just having a think about who I'd have in my side, and it's tough.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jul 2015, 1:26 pm

Front row is particularly tough, as if you were picking to to play a game you'd pick as a unit, and would probably go for either the Viet Gwent or the Auckland and All Blacks front row of the 90's.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jul 2015, 1:34 pm

Have changed my mind at least a dozen times in most positions, but here's my stab at it.

15. Christian Cullen
14. Jonah Lomu
13. Frank Bunce
12. Mike Gibson
11. David Campese
10. Dan Carter
9. Joost van der Westhuizen

1. Os du Randt
2. Sean Fitzpatrick
3. Graham Price
4. Colin Meads
5. John Eales
6. Richard Hill
7. Michael Jones 
8. Zinzan Brooke
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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 1:45 pm

my stab

15. Blanco
14. Jonah Lomu
13. Conrad Smith
12. Phillipe Sella
11. David Campese
10. Dan Carter
9. Gareth Edwards

1. Os du Randt
2. Sean Fitzpatrick
3. Olo Brown
4. Colin Meads
5. John Eales
6. Richard Hill
7. Michael Jones 
8. Zinzan Brooke[/quote]

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jul 2015, 1:50 pm

I had your centres and Olo Brown in at various points Mat. It's tough.
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Post by BamBam Sun 12 Jul 2015, 1:54 pm

My backs would be

Cullen, Lomu, BOD, Greenwood, Robinson, Carter, Joost

Probably cheating with Cullen, Lomu and Joost because mostly seen them on YouTube

Will have a think on forwards

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jul 2015, 1:59 pm

I also had Robinson and Greenwood in at various points.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 12 Jul 2015, 2:30 pm

Horan/Umaga/Wood/Matfield/Gregan/Hayman

Other potentials

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Post by BamBam Sun 12 Jul 2015, 2:33 pm

Forwards

Leonard, Wood, Hayman, Johnson, Matfield, Hill, McCaw, Dallaglio

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 Jul 2015, 4:45 pm

So hard to pick players for a best of - favourite players that I have seen are Christian Cullen, BOD, Greenwood, Robinson and Sella, who seemed to have pretty much everything and Rory Underwood as well. Tim Horan was immense and had the 'pleasure' of playing against Joe Roff when I was at uni and when he tackled you felt like you'd run into several brick walls, reinforced with steel.

Richard Hill was probably the best forward I've seen, just incredible and responsible for so much of Englands success. What a great pack that was, not sure if there would be a single England player today that would get into the 2003 forward pack.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jul 2015, 4:51 pm

Chris you'd never be able to pick a team the amount of favourite players you have

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 Jul 2015, 5:05 pm

Lol no chance is there - probably have 4-5 favourite backs in every position at the bare minimum!

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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 5:18 pm

That pack of 2003 was unreal. Packed full of leaders and world class players.

Dallaglio was a force of nature

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 Jul 2015, 5:30 pm

And it largely kept Simon Shaw out of the match day squad - Hill, Back and Dallagio were close to the perfect backrow.

Still not quite sure we have the right balance now with our backrow - Wood, Robshaw and BV are the best players with the impact of Morgan coming on with final 20 minutes is pretty good but so much importance of BV and Morgan carrying for us.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jul 2015, 6:00 pm

Wood will be lucky to keep his place I think, he's not been anywhere he previous over the last season. The 6 jersey is wide open I reckon

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 Jul 2015, 6:08 pm

I'm not sure who I would have ahead of him though, he came back strong at the end of the season - I'm never sure about Haskell at the top level, he can have great games but can do some silly things like that trip and I'm not sure he's all that bright. Good player to have in the squad and defensively probably aren't many better.

Given the way Lancaster and Farrell work I really wouldn't be that surprised to see Burgess make the squad as well - they seem to put a lot of emphasis on power and size at the expense of creativity and that plays into his favour.

Not sure if there would be any other surprises other than that - when do they announce the actual squad?

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 12 Jul 2015, 6:31 pm

I guess if you have come and launchbury then you could sacrifice wood for burgess and play him with robshaw and bv. Wouldn't be a massive breakdown loss with others top notch there and adds in burgess' unpredictability with offloads for the opposition to deal with.

Anyone else reading the beebs reporting of wales'training camp? Doesn't seem to be alot of skill work and mainly fitness at the moment which I thought gats said was focused on during the 6nations so we could do skill work before world cup!
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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 6:35 pm

Read a good piece on a coaching site re possible england pack permutations

One they had BV at 6 and said to do it you would have to have Cole at th to pick up some of the workload across a the pitch with Launch and Lawes. Also mentioned robshaw being an adequate 3rd lineout option

Pros were more carrying and dynamism. Negatives were lack
Of proper lineout option and Cole's high penalty count when expected to do more work at breakdown.

The other option had wood and Wilson in the side

Pros were a much better set piece in terms of lineout and Scrum and Us having a proper platform to give ford quality ball.

The cons were lack of carrying in backrow and wilsons defensive coverage meaning he can sometimes leave gaps in defence and sometimes does not work hard enough to get in to the defensive line.

They had a a few other permutations which had Burgess in. A good article and pretty accurate view of things

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jul 2015, 6:39 pm

Sounds like a made up article lol

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 Jul 2015, 6:53 pm

Will be interesting Prop, I've been impressed with Burgess after his switch to no6 and he was very good in the AP final but would be a gamble - yet at the same time you hear about his leadership qualities and the comments from other guys in the England squad about him and they all seem to rate and respect him.

Are Wales training in Poland at the moment? Think it was Wales Online - seems a very unbiased news source - last week that had quite a lot on the Welsh training camp and how they were wanting to compete with England in terms of their fitness. Must be a brutal experience for everyone involved in those.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 6:57 pm

Wales are in
The Alps and have been doing 70% fitness to 30% ball work. They are moving on to Doha next and will be moving to mainly skills and ball work.
Big article in the times about it today

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jul 2015, 6:59 pm

I just can't see Burgess starting against the better sides, I've seen nothing to suggest he's good enough.

Good stat breakdown on Hooper v Pocock. Hooper has great attacking stats but pails in comparison to Pocock in defence (turnovers & tackles)

I know Hooper slips off a lot of tackles but I didn't realise he had the most missed tackles in Super rugby.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/07/13/hooper-versus-pocock-a-statistical-breakdown/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theroar%2Frugby-union+%28The+Roar+-+Rugby+Union%29

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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 7:09 pm

I was about to write how hooper ends up in positions that pocock doesn't which explains the missed tackles but the article explains it better

"Defensively they both led their teams in tackles per games. Pocock missed just six of his 129 tackles. Hooper missed a lot more tackles (leading the competition with 36) but many of those were due to attempting tackles in situations a flanker has no right to be in, such as trying to chase down an interception."

Tackle stats in my view are a bit of a nonsense as there is no context and players play in different ways

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 Jul 2015, 7:10 pm

Does the Rugby Championship start soon? Seems like they are going straight into it without much of a break for those in s15 - wonder if that will have an impact while all the NH teams are doing work on their fitness and had a few weeks away from rugby as well. You'd think it would hinder them a bit.

Burgess for me is a risk selection, certainly wouldn't start him but you read a lot saying that he's ideal bench because he can cover 6 and 12 giving you an extra forward on the bench. Wouldn't like to see him cover 12 in an England shirt though !

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jul 2015, 7:13 pm

I wouldn't say Burgess covers 12, he was dreadful there.

I can see your point on the stats but it's equally nonsense to chin them off saying he attempts more risky tackles. It's a hard to stat to back up but equally hard to dismiss.

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 12 Jul 2015, 7:15 pm

Rugby championship starts next weekend chris
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 Jul 2015, 7:23 pm

Pooly, not my opinion mate - that's what the England coaches have said about Burgess.

Didn't realise it started that early Prop - suppose it keeps them match sharp but is complete opposite to NH teams. Sure we don't have the warm ups until start of August.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jul 2015, 7:32 pm

If they've said he can cover 12 they must be saying it tongue in cheek as he was severely lacking there. It would be the same as saying Barritt could cover flanker I suppose.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 7:48 pm

RC is a paired down version this year with less games.

Also lots of teams will experiment so could have some odd results

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 12 Jul 2015, 7:55 pm

Oz really need to start Hooper and Pocock on current form. Fact that Hooper is vice captain bodes well for his selection.


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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jul 2015, 7:59 pm

2 cracking players

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 Jul 2015, 8:00 pm

Agree with you there Steve, have they ever started against England together? Would be so hard to stop at the breakdown.


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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Jul 2015, 10:34 pm

anonmattyt wrote:I was about to write how hooper ends up in positions that pocock doesn't which explains the missed tackles but the article explains it better

"Defensively they both led their teams in tackles per games. Pocock missed just six of his 129 tackles. Hooper missed a lot more tackles (leading the competition with 36) but many of those were due to attempting tackles in situations a flanker has no right to be in, such as trying to chase down an interception."

Tackle stats in my view are a bit of a nonsense as there is no context and players play in different ways

This is pretty fair, Hooper basically defends a lot on the cover
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