Pro12: Benetton Treviso v Edinburgh Rugby 12th Sept

by EWT Spoons Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:49 am

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Benetton Treviso v Edinburgh Rugby
Saturday 12th September 2015,
KO 16:10 GMT
Stadio Monigo

Referee: Gary Conway (IRFU, 4th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Giuseppe Vivarini, Claudio Blessano
Citing Commissioner: Stefano Marrama (FIR)
TMO: Carlo Damasco (FIR)

Apparently being shown on TV – RAI…nope me neither
TV RAI

Treviso form

Last 3 Matches
5/9/15 Munster 18 - 13 Treviso
16/5/15 Treviso 13 - 17 Scarlets
8/5/15 Leinster 10 - 0 Treviso

Edinburgh form

Last 3 Matches
4/9/15 Edinburgh 16 - 9 Leinster
16/5/15 Edinburgh 23 - 36 Leinster
8/5/15 Dragons 19 - 5 Edinburgh

Teams:

Treviso

15. Jayden Hayward
14 Ludovico Nitoglia
13 Tommaso Iannone
12 Andrea Pratichetti
11 Simone Ragusi
10 Sam Christie
9 Chris Smylie

1 Alberto De Marchi
2 Roberto Santamaria
3 Rupert Harden
4 Duncan Naude
5 Tom Palmer
6 Marco Barbini
7 Dean Budd
8 Robert Barbieri

Replacements
Luca Bigi
Matteo Zanusso
Simone Ferrar
Filippo Gerosa
Jean-Francis Montauriol
Braam Steyn
Alberto Lucchese
James Ambrosini

Edinburgh

1 Sutherland
2 Cochrane
3 Andress
4 McKenzie
5 Toolis
6 Du Preez
7 Grant (C)
8 Manu

9 Kennedy
10 Burleigh
11 Hoyland
12 Beard
13 Dean
14 Fife
15 Tonks

Subs - Turner, Dell, Berghan, Toolis, Watson, Fowles, Johnston, Cuthbert

by EWT Spoons Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:53 pm

I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere other than just here...but I can't find it. He's only signed on for 1 year so regardless of where he lives, he might not be around next season (if he's still in Edinburgh I hope he is)

by **RDW** Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:55 pm

Might have come from the ER forum - maybe not the most reliable source.

Like a good rumour though it is now deemed to be fact!

by **George Carlin** Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:02 pm

He'll be given a coaching or ambassadorial role like Kellock.

Or be put in charge of the formal Edinburgh People With Ginger Pubes Positive Discrimination Programme (EPWGPPDP).

by **RDW** Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:03 pm

He's only 28 - would be strange for him to retire from playing yet stay in Edinburgh when he's in his prime.

by funnyExiledScot Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:19 pm

George Carlin wrote:He'll be given a coaching or ambassadorial role like Kellock.

Or be put in charge of the formal Edinburgh People With Ginger Pubes Positive Discrimination Programme (EPWGPPDP).

Presumably, as an MFL, there's a mandatory weekly back, sack and crack.

by Nematode Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:51 pm

Tbh, I reckon Grant could do what Hardie does just as well at intl level. He just hasn't had the opportunity to showcase what he could offer internationally. If Hardie does join ER - maybe a 3yr deal? - then it would be a like for like replacement.

Grant would fit an English Aviva Premiership team well, maybe the likes of Gloucester or Newcastle. Who knows, would a SA team or Japan be out of the question?

by funnyExiledScot Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:22 am

I think Grant and Hardie are differents sorts of players, but fundamentally Hardie is faster which gives him an edge in terms of getting into the right positions to compete for the ball, and in ball carrying. In purely rugby terms I would rate Hardie a better player, and more similar to Watson (also faster than Grant, although not as powerful a ball carrier as Hardie). Grant is a workhorse though and a great servant to Edinburgh. If he wants to stay we should certainly accommodate him.

by **RDW** Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:47 am

Team announced - he's made changes for the sake of making changes! Surely this isn't Alan Solomons??

1 Sutherland
2 Cochrane
3 Andress
4 McKenzie
5 Toolis
6 Du Preez
7 Grant (C)
8 Manu

9 Kennedy
10 Burleigh
11 Hoyland
12 Beard
13 Dean
14 Fife
15 Tonks

Subs - Turner, Dell, Berghan, Toolis, Watson, Fowles, Johnston, Cuthbert

Who will be taking the kicks??

by EWT Spoons Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:09 pm

Tonks would be my guess

by funnyExiledScot Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:51 pm

Good team. We'll miss Bresler at lock but I presume he's carrying a knock. I'm really pleased that Dean is able to come straight back in. Dean and Hoyland are certainly ones to watch - very exciting attacking players.

The back row is class.

by EWT Spoons Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:49 pm

Trevisio teams up:

15. Jayden Hayward
14 Ludovico Nitoglia
13 Tommaso Iannone
12 Andrea Pratichetti
11 Simone Ragusi
10 Sam Christie
9 Chris Smylie

1 Alberto De Marchi
2 Roberto Santamaria
3 Rupert Harden
4 Duncan Naude
5 Tom Palmer
6 Marco Barbini
7 Dean Budd
8 Robert Barbieri

Replacements
Luca Bigi
Matteo Zanusso
Simone Ferrar
Filippo Gerosa
Jean-Francis Montauriol
Braam Steyn
Alberto Lucchese
James Ambrosini

by funnyExiledScot Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:56 pm

A couple of familiar names but no-one stellar in that Treviso side. Barbieri and Nitoglia are good players, but we ought to have more than enough.

by Imperialbigdave Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:03 pm

Didnt realise Tom Palmer was with Treviso now.

That backline isnt very depleted except at halfback. Could be a match against our less than experienced one if they get good ball. Nullify their pack to stop their outside backs getting anything to play off.

by funnyExiledScot Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:12 pm

Well we have to win now. Can't have the soap dodgers above us this season.

by **George Carlin** Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:26 am

EWT Spoons wrote:Trevisio teams up:

15. Jayden Hayward
14 Ludovico Nitoglia
13 Tommaso Iannone
12 Andrea Pratichetti
11 Simone Ragusi
10 Sam Christie
9 Chris Smylie

1 Alberto De Marchi
2 Roberto Santamaria
3 Rupert Harden
4 Duncan Naude
5 Tom Palmer
6 Marco Barbini
7 Dean Budd
8 Robert Barbieri

Replacements
Luca Bigi
Matteo Zanusso
Simone Ferrar
Filippo Gerosa
Jean-Francis Montauriol
Braam Steyn
Alberto Lucchese
James Ambrosini

Budd, Bigi and Zanusso sounds like like the Mafiosi law firm of choice in 1920s New York.

by TJ Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:54 pm

anyone got a working link? PM me ta

by Manky-Flanker Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:23 pm

great try!

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:35 pm

Great, weve got a whistle happy ref trying in vain to assert authority...

by cakeordeath Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:40 pm

could somone pm me with a link?

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:43 pm

cakeordeath wrote:could somone pm me with a link?

pm'd

by alive555 Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:54 pm

send me one too pls mines 30pc

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:57 pm

Utterly atrocious defending there. All it seems to take is one missed tackle, and Treviso are down the other end of the pitch. Theres no cover defence. I dont know where Tonks is, but hes not covering the backline.

And to top it all off, we get yellow carded at the same time as conceding an utterly needless try. Edinburgh need to wake up at half time, some of their tackling is pathetic.

by cakeordeath Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:05 pm

got one thanks

by madmaccas Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:12 pm

Any chance of a link please guys?

by madmaccas Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:15 pm

Thanks

by madmaccas Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:24 pm

Kennedy really is cr@p

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:28 pm

Ref has decided we are going to lose this.

by funnyExiledScot Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:36 pm

Oh good lord. How depressing!!

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:38 pm

I dont see how the player think they can win this playing like this. Its totally moronic play

by alive555 Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:39 pm

this is like a relegation scrap

by madmaccas Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:41 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Oh good lord. How depressing!!

The worst aspect is that there are only 2 Edinburgh backs missing to international duty. Why didn't Solomons get some descent back instead of more backrowers?!

by cakeordeath Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:43 pm

this is not a classic. We seem to be getting destroyed at the scrum and breakdown

by **RDW** Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:44 pm

Just back from playing rugby - what's happened??

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:46 pm

He cannot keep playing without a goalkicker. FFS Sollomans swallow your weird pride at not playing youngsters and give Kinghorn a game otherwise we will continue to leave far too many points on the pitch.

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:46 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Just back from playing rugby - what's happened??

We are blowing a 21 point lead. Fell asleep after 20 minutes once wed posted 3 tries.

by **RDW** Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:50 pm

Sounds like Glasgow last night!

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:53 pm

Penalty try coming. Utter disgrace when we inevitbly lose this after being 21-3 up.

by Guest Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:56 pm

FFS that last one was an Edinburgh penalty, Treviso just went straight down.

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:57 pm

That is ridiculous!!!! right in front of the ref, the treviso player buckles, yet the edinburgh player gets carded!!!!! unbelievable!

by madmaccas Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:58 pm

WTF?! Edinburgh should have said Andress was injured and then it would have been uncontested scrums. Madness

by Guest Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:58 pm

Is it just me that is getting real tired of cynical scrums for the penalty try these days? No intention to complete scrum and play some other bits of rugby.

by Guest Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:59 pm

Edinburgh deserve it for at least not being cynical barstewards. Zzzz.

by **RDW** Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:00 pm

How did we manage to win that?? What happened?? Shocked

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:00 pm

Got out of jail there....

terrible reffing, but Einburgh were their own worst enemies, so would only have themselves to blame had they lost that, which tbh they deserved to.

by **RDW** Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:06 pm

Sounds very similar to the connacht loss last year, just duty a different outcome!

A wins a win though at this stage of the season, and it will have served as a wake up call for Edinburgh.

Who played well?

by Imperialbigdave Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:12 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Sounds very similar to the connacht loss last year, just duty a different outcome!

A wins a win though at this stage of the season, and it will have served as a wake up call for Edinburgh.

Who played well?

The backline were clinical when the ball got to the wide channels with pace. The problem was that only happened twice. Luckily we scored both times.

Manu again awesome, but real concerns over his fitness. Hes holding out for the full 80 atm, but that wont last as the season goes on. Cochrane was about the only one trying to disrupt the breakdown, for which he got a card. The rest of them were passive. Grant pretty anonymous.

Kennedy was poor. Far too often the ball shot out the back of the ruck between his legs because he was too busy doing his best Laidlaw impression. Collectively the team were atrocious at cleaning up loose ball. Often a treviso player would pounce while 3 Edinburgh players just looked at it.

On the whole, defensively there were far too many missed tackles. That wasnt a failure of the system, just players being far too passive.

by **RDW** Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:18 pm

As bad as it sounds it is massively important we got the win - sounds like we should have cantered away with a BP though!

2/2!

by justified sinner Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:25 pm

Well,that was scrappy, not sure they've got the new defensive structure sorted yet.

We win we move on.

by funnyExiledScot Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:22 pm

I see that as a dropped point and it demonstrated a lack of composure and concentration. Still, on the other hand we're two from two.

Playing poorly and winning. Sign of a championship winning team?

Doubt it!

by **George Carlin** Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:22 pm

Very well done to the organic muesli purchasers - you cannot argue with 2 from 2. Who was kicking tonight and why were they do bad?

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