England v Wales - Part 2, 26 September

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ENGLAND v WALES
26 September 2015
KO: 20:00
Twickenham, London

Live on ITV1

Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Touch judges: Jaco Peyper (South Africa) & Marius Mitrea (Italy)
Television match official: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)

A. Head to Head

126 Played 126
58 Won 56
12 Drawn 12
56 Lost 58
1,596 Points 1,456

B. Recent Form

6 February 2015
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
16 – 21 to England

9 March 2014
Twickenham Stadium, London
29 – 18 to England

16 March 2013
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
30 – 3 to Wales

25 February 2012
Twickenham Stadium, London
12 – 19 to Wales

13 August 2011
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
19 – 9 to Wales

6 August 2011
Twickenham, London
23 – 19 to England

4 February 2011
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
19 – 26 to England

6 February 2010
Twickenham, London
30 – 17 to England

14 February 2009
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
23 – 15 to Wales

2 February 2008
Twickenham, London
19 – 26 to Wales

C. Teams

ENGLAND

M Brown (Harlequins); A Watson (Bath), B Barritt (Saracens), S Burgess (Bath), J May (Gloucester); O Farrell (Saracens), B Youngs (Leicester); J Marler (Harlequins), T Youngs (Leicester), D Cole (Leicester), G Parling (Exeter), C Lawes (Northampton), T Wood (Northampton), C Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), B Vunipola (Saracens)

Replacements: R Webber (Bath), M Vunipola (Saracens), K Brookes (Northampton), J Launchbury (Wasps), J Haskell (Wasps), R Wigglesworth (Saracens), G Ford (Bath), A Goode (Saracens).

WALES

Liam Williams (Scarlets); G North (Northampton), S Williams (Scarlets), J Roberts (Harlequins), H Amos (Newport Gwent Dragons); D Biggar (Ospreys), G Davies (Scarlets); G Jenkins (Cardiff Blues), S Baldwin (Ospreys), T Francis (Exeter), B Davies (Wasps), A-W Jones (Ospreys), D Lydiate (Ospreys), S Warburton (Cardiff Blues, capt), T Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons)

Replacements: K Owens (Scarlets), A Jarvis (Ospreys), S Lee (Scarlets), L Charteris (Racing 92), J Tipuric (Ospreys), Lloyd Williams (Cardiff Blues), R Priestland (Bath), A Cuthbert (Cardiff Blues).

Moronic from England. Farrell should be sacked his defensive midfield rush has lost us that game along with stupid ruck discipline.

England paying the price for not playing enough when they had ascendancy

Well done England you proved me right all along

Wales played superb.....

trebellbobaggins wrote:England screwing their home world cup.

Lancaster gone surely?

No...

Oh dear

Great win for Wales, in possibly the biggest RWC pool match to date. I'm very proud and feeling extremely lucky right now. Still a shame about all our injuries though!

Well done Wales. Beating England in their own World Cup- quite an achievement. I think Australia will beat both of these teams, but there is a potential three-way tie if England can beat Australia. But I don't think they will beat Australia.

England; questionable selection, bottled it at the end. I'm thinking they are going out of their own World Cup early to be honest. I don't say that to wind anyone up- I think Australia are a very good team, and big improvements are needed. I don't see the leadership or class that turns a tight game from a loss into a win in this England team.

Fair play to the boys, 2 players off like that yet more injuries and they did it. Massive tactical mistake there bringing Ford on and moving Farrell to fly half. That was the difference.

When the wheels came off the chariot we were there, when the wheels came off the chariot we were there, when Lancaster was sleeping, Gatland came creeping... when the wheels came off the chariot we were there!

What a game!!!!

Commiserations England.

Congrats Wales. You showed incredible spirit after having lost more players during the game, to fight with everything you had, and leave the game as victors. Very impressive.

Enjoy your night

Unfortunately for Wales, with all those injuries I can't see how they carry on their momentum.

A great win for Wales. England. well can i say they was in the lead at half time, but gave away too many penalties.

Wales getting even more injuries. Just how bad get it get for Wales with the injuries?

But well played to Wales for hanging there and never giving up.

Absolutely fantastic effort from Wales. Fully deserved and to do so with so many injuries was impressive. Have a good night all you noisy neighbours

Fair play Wales. Great work from them

Well done Wales

I feel sick, Frak idiots Frak it up

Kick the Frak pen

Gatland is welling up.

Not the first time captain fantastic has got white line fever. Take the points... And get the ball back if you miss.

Well done Wales. I feel almost physically sick with that loss, but have to salute Wales determination and skills.

England though... What to say, we were the better team for a lot of the first half but that second half just kicked way too much, played players out of position. And then Wigglesworth typified our negative gameplan by not running into score with no one infront.

They fracked it up as soon as Joseph went and they panicked.

Well played Wales, fully deserved.

Robshaw, SL and Co you owe us big time next Saturday otherwise don't bother turning up for work the following Monday morning.

Great win for Wales...walking wounded for the next game...

Just a comment on Garces...must be one of the best refs in the world now and a shoe in for the final if France dont make it.

Firstly many congrats to Wales - a thoroughly deserved victory and great composure at the end.

As for England....oh dear....moronic. The lack of leadership in difficult times has been a recurring theme with Robshaw. But I also think the usual late replacements did not help.

They can salvage themselves against Australia but they will certainly need better composure.

I can't remember this many injuries to a team since Aus in 2011?

mikey_dragon wrote:Great win for Wales, in possibly the biggest RWC pool match to date. I'm very proud and feeling extremely lucky right now. Still a shame about all our injuries though!

Great second half performance by Wales. Don't think the changes helped England. Have not been impressed by Anthony Watson in this tournament.

I bet Australia wish they remembered about the 4 try BP against Fiji - they could go out because of it!

The difference was Wales having enough trust in their kicker to nail the difficult three points, rather than stupidly risking a line-out.

I can't fathom that decision by Robshaw. Ludicrous.

Brilliant by Wales, though, to be clinical when their chance arrived, and to punish England for every silly error.

Well done to Wales , but Lancaster needs to be strung up by the bollox . Poor discipline and even poorer decision making .

SimonofSurrey wrote:Feels more and more like Wembley '99 at the moment. Wales second best overall, but doggedly hanging in there and staying in touch with great consistent goal kicking from stupid repetitive England penalties.

Remind me how that one finished?  On second thoughts, please don't.

...told you.

Too many stupid penalties!

Too lazy in the second half!

And too much kicking!


Frak sake

we gave up once burgess went off, no one could tackle after that.

Well positives that the pack was well on top but midfield predictable. Barritt again poor. Wales did well to pressurise but really shouldn't have been in a position to do so.

One of the strangest and daftest calls I have ever seen in the modern game. Robshaw deserves the captaincy stripped from him.

What were they expecting, another Japan scenario? Japan had nothing to lose, and everything to gain with a win. Even if they had lost, they would have gained the respect of everyone watching for almost pulling off the inevitable. England could have equalised and they were in a far better position to win against Australia and get through the group than Wales, given the injuries.

Shocking decision, absolute madness. I actually cannot fathom that decision.

Duty281 wrote:The difference was Wales having enough trust in their kicker to nail the difficult three points, rather than stupidly risking a line-out.

I can't fathom that decision by Robshaw. Ludicrous.

Brilliant by Wales, though, to be clinical when their chance arrived, and to punish England for every silly error.

I don't actually think it was a ludicrous decision, I want England to play positive rugby. They didn't lose the match in that moment, they lost it game in the whole second half

ME-109 wrote:
Just a comment on Garces...must be one of the best refs in the world now and a shoe in for the final if France dont make it.

I'm no fan of Garces but apart for a few missed knock ons he did have a great game and the best refereeing display so far in this World Cup.

I havent posted on here since the disgusting response I got following Sam Warburton's disgusting yellow card against France last RWC. All I can say is this .... WAAAAAAAAAAAAALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rory_Gallagher wrote:One of the strangest and daftest calls I have ever seen in the modern game. Robshaw deserves the captaincy stripped from him.

What were they expecting, another Japan scenario? Japan had nothing to lose, and everything to gain with a win. Even if they had lost, they would have gained the respect of everyone watching for almost pulling off the inevitable. England could have equalised and they were in a far better position to win against Australia and get through the group than Wales, given the injuries.

Shocking decision, absolute madness. I actually cannot fathom that decision.

"Could" have, hindsight is a wonderful thing... It was kick from the touch line to draw.

Seriously though with no disrespect to Wales , how does a team in such a dominant position Frak it up so badly ?
Stupid stupid stupid .

RDW_Scotland wrote:I bet Australia wish they remembered about the 4 try BP against Fiji - they could go out because of it!

it's them and wales going through. this eng side are poor.

Cardiff Dave wrote:I'm getting that Deja vu kinda feeling. England the better team, but....

What a game.

nathan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:The difference was Wales having enough trust in their kicker to nail the difficult three points, rather than stupidly risking a line-out.

I can't fathom that decision by Robshaw. Ludicrous.

Brilliant by Wales, though, to be clinical when their chance arrived, and to punish England for every silly error.

I don't actually think it was a ludicrous decision, I want England to play positive rugby. They didn't lose the match in that moment, they lost it game in the whole second half

There's a difference between positive rugby and stupid rugby, though. If that decision came in the 60th, 65th minute, say, it would be more understandable. But to gamble it all, particularly when the line-out had been far from spectacular, and the driving maul was non-existent, was ludicrous.

A draw would have been ok at that stage.

Well done to my Welsh brothers.

Guts, calm heads under pressure and a big game kicker.

Lancaster hamstrung his team for this game and that is a real shame.

What will Australia be thinking about this pool now?

trebellbobaggins wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:I bet Australia wish they remembered about the 4 try BP against Fiji - they could go out because of it!

it's them and wales going through.  this eng side are poor.

That's what they said when we got our arses handed to us against South Africa in the group stages

RDW_Scotland wrote:I bet Australia wish they remembered about the 4 try BP against Fiji - they could go out because of it!

Australia are backing themselves to win every game. Besides- Wales still have to play Fiji. Magnificent from Wales today but those last two fixtures look much harder if they don't get some players back. It'll not be easy to rack the BP up against Fiji with a seriously depleted back line.

At least they still have the spine of their team together; the front row, Alun Wyn-Jones, Sam Warburton and Biggar.

trebellbobaggins wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:I bet Australia wish they remembered about the 4 try BP against Fiji - they could go out because of it!

it's them and wales going through.  this eng side are poor.

The BP system makes the group more open than it should be. England are only three points adrift of Wales, presently.

nathan wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:One of the strangest and daftest calls I have ever seen in the modern game. Robshaw deserves the captaincy stripped from him.

What were they expecting, another Japan scenario? Japan had nothing to lose, and everything to gain with a win. Even if they had lost, they would have gained the respect of everyone watching for almost pulling off the inevitable. England could have equalised and they were in a far better position to win against Australia and get through the group than Wales, given the injuries.

Shocking decision, absolute madness. I actually cannot fathom that decision.

"Could" have, hindsight is a wonderful thing... It was kick from the touch line to draw.

Are you seriously trying to justify that decision? It was absolutely moronic beyond belief, and clearly Robshaw cannot handle the pressure of these high intensity games.

Do you seriously think that going for a line-out was a better decision than going for a shot at goal with your 100% kicker to equalise? Think about the variables that could go wrong when kicking for a line-out. You don't have to think too hard; you saw what went wrong tonight!

High class rugby. Could hardly breath during the last6 minutes . Well done wales and commiserations England fans. Nothing done yet.

Bringing Ford on for Burgess made absolutely no sense and guess what Jamie Roberts found himself in space for the first time in the game thereafter, gambling on the Welsh injuries was a pathetic decision from SL.

Espee66 wrote:Seriously though with no disrespect to Wales , how does a team in such a dominant position Frak it up so badly ?
Stupid stupid stupid .

"From the shell-shocked England players trudging out of the dressing-room post-match like zombies, to the thousands of stunned fans who streamed away from Twickenham in silence, the question was the same.

How the hell did that happen?"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7224633.stm

Faletau was poor in the 1st half but he showed why he is world class in the 2nd half, turned the match around by himself, imo.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Bringing Ford on for Burgess made absolutely no sense and guess what Jamie Roberts found himself in space for the first time in the game thereafter, gambling on the Welsh injuries was a pathetic decision from SL.

Lancaster loves his pre-meditated substitutions.