England v Wales - 12th March 2016

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England v Wales

12th March 2016 - 16:00 Twickenham


Hmm, could be interesting.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Australia Wales is at Wembley.

No its not it's at Twickenham, england are playing Uruguay at old Trafford I think

mikey_dragon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

As has been said previously, home advantage tends to result in the 50/50 decisions going the home teams way. Without those decisions Wales could easily have lost last night, that would have put Australia and England in a much better position.

Of course. Keep trying but "we always back ourselves at home."

"we always back ourselves at home." did you do your 'big sad puppy dog eyes' when you typed that?

bedfordwelsh wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Australia Wales is at Wembley.

No its not it's at Twickenham, england are playing Uruguay at old Trafford I think

Man City's ground

TightHEAD wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

As has been said previously, home advantage tends to result in the 50/50 decisions going the home teams way. Without those decisions Wales could easily have lost last night, that would have put Australia and England in a much better position.

Of course. Keep trying but "we always back ourselves at home."

"we always back ourselves at home."  did you do your 'big sad puppy dog eyes' when you typed that?

No, I was sipping my Lucozade .

EDIT* Moral victory for Robshaw. He's more handsome than our captain .

Yeah, key decisions, or at least executions went awry. Hopefully we see the Wigglesworth of the Fiji game rather than the guy who gave your backs something to run on to and Barritt does what he says on the tin rather than fluffing tackles out wide. They'll have taken a long look at themselves as no doubt but the team has finished strongly in the past and will again. Hopefully by then we'll be cruising rather than me biting my nails down to the knuckle.

Yes of course England are migrating to the Etihad.

TightHEAD wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Australia Wales is at Wembley.

No its not it's at Twickenham, england are playing Uruguay at old Trafford I think

Man City's ground

Knew it was one of them

mikey_dragon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

As has been said previously, home advantage tends to result in the 50/50 decisions going the home teams way. Without those decisions Wales could easily have lost last night, that would have put Australia and England in a much better position.

Of course. Keep trying but "we always back ourselves at home."

Why do you think that's so odd? If anything, it's hedging, since most teams in most sports just say "We always back ourselves to win".

Do you think " We never back ourselves to win" or "We sometimes back ourselves to win" are more common expressions?

"Winning isn't everything. Some matches we might want to win, others we might want to try something else. We back ourselves to make our own decisions on which we choose"

SecretFly wrote:"Winning isn't everything.  Some matches we might want to win, others we might want to try something else.  We back ourselves to make our own decisions on which we choose"

Is that a Declan Kidney quote?

No 7&1/2 wrote:Australia Wales is at Wembley.

NO its not... Its at Twickenham...

No9 wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Australia Wales is at Wembley.

NO its not... Its at Twickenham...

Sorry.. just noticed that had already been pointed out..

But guys, haven't we had enough of this now..

rodders wrote:

SecretFly wrote:"Winning isn't everything.  Some matches we might want to win, others we might want to try something else.  We back ourselves to make our own decisions on which we choose"

Is that a Declan Kidney quote?

Yeah, maybe it was. To tell you the truth, rodders, I don't remember the detail, just the quote.
It was the time we used to use Saunas for the boys coming in from a tough physical game to help them recover quicker. Not sure we still do that, but it was cutting edge science at the time. Maybe Eddie's time.

"We back ourselves against any team we come up against"
http://en.espn.co.uk/2011-rugby-world-cup/rugby/story/150986.html

No9 wrote:

No9 wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Australia Wales is at Wembley.

NO its not... Its at Twickenham...

Sorry.. just noticed that had already been pointed out..

But guys, haven't we had enough of this now..

You're trying to stall a successful Franchise???  Look, kid, this is going to outdo Fast and Furious.  Don't step in the way or you'll get run down.  4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 20, 22 and 23 to come.

Rugby Fan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

As has been said previously, home advantage tends to result in the 50/50 decisions going the home teams way. Without those decisions Wales could easily have lost last night, that would have put Australia and England in a much better position.

Of course. Keep trying but "we always back ourselves at home."

Why do you think that's so odd? If anything, it's hedging, since most teams in most sports just say "We always back ourselves to win".

Do you think " We never back ourselves to win" or "We sometimes back ourselves to win" are more common expressions?

You lost to Wales at home in your world cup. Evidently a fair few of you are going to need constant reminder of that until you show some respect and begin to show graciousness in defeat .

mikey_dragon wrote:

Rugby Fan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

As has been said previously, home advantage tends to result in the 50/50 decisions going the home teams way. Without those decisions Wales could easily have lost last night, that would have put Australia and England in a much better position.

Of course. Keep trying but "we always back ourselves at home."

Why do you think that's so odd? If anything, it's hedging, since most teams in most sports just say "We always back ourselves to win".

Do you think " We never back ourselves to win" or "We sometimes back ourselves to win" are more common expressions?

You lost to Wales at home in your world cup. Evidently a fair few of you are going to need constant reminder of that until you show some respect and begin to show graciousness in defeat .

Reminder? I'm still having trouble sleeping at night.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Rugby Fan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

As has been said previously, home advantage tends to result in the 50/50 decisions going the home teams way. Without those decisions Wales could easily have lost last night, that would have put Australia and England in a much better position.

Of course. Keep trying but "we always back ourselves at home."

Why do you think that's so odd? If anything, it's hedging, since most teams in most sports just say "We always back ourselves to win".

Do you think " We never back ourselves to win" or "We sometimes back ourselves to win" are more common expressions?

You lost to Wales at home in your world cup. Evidently a fair few of you are going to need constant reminder of that until you show some respect and begin to show graciousness in defeat .

Aye and a game that could've gone either way in the end there.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Rugby Fan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

As has been said previously, home advantage tends to result in the 50/50 decisions going the home teams way. Without those decisions Wales could easily have lost last night, that would have put Australia and England in a much better position.

Of course. Keep trying but "we always back ourselves at home."

Why do you think that's so odd? If anything, it's hedging, since most teams in most sports just say "We always back ourselves to win".

Do you think " We never back ourselves to win" or "We sometimes back ourselves to win" are more common expressions?

You lost to Wales at home in your world cup. Evidently a fair few of you are going to need constant reminder of that until you show some respect and begin to show graciousness in defeat .

Finally, something to replace the 30-3 reminder... ;-)

England fans on the match thread were almost all gracious in defeat, as gutted as they were. I wish more of us were as gracious in victory.

After Breadvan and Dragon's gloating comments I will be the first on here to wave goodbye to Wales if England win tonight. Fiji were robbed they are only still in it because of several iffy referee decisions. They were well outplayed by Fiji in the second half.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:England fans on the match thread were almost all gracious in defeat, as gutted as they were. I wish more of us were as gracious in victory.

Englandglorynotnoworever. ... I don't think the gracious in defeat remark was in any way applicable to you... But it's true most were gracious in defeat.. England glory forever is just one of the bitter minority of England fans .. I hope Wales and England both beat the aussies ..

Sidestep wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:England fans on the match thread were almost all gracious in defeat, as gutted as they were. I wish more of us were as gracious in victory.

Englandglorynotnoworever. ... I don't think the gracious in defeat remark was in any way applicable to you...  But it's true most were gracious in defeat..  England glory forever is just one of the bitter minority of England fans ..  I hope Wales and England both beat the aussies ..  

It may be true that most English fans were gracious in defeat. It may also be true that most Wales fans were ungracious in winning. See Breadvan and Dragon comments above if you haven't already. Cuts both ways.

Er, Breadvan is English.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Er, Breadvan is English.

Oops. He speaks with a Welsh accent I bet.

Me too. Keep thinking  of the famous Welsh hymn:
'Bread of Breadvan'

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:England fans on the match thread were almost all gracious in defeat, as gutted as they were. I wish more of us were as gracious in victory.

That's because a lot of them lost their WiFi and didn't get it back until a few days later... I haven't seen any Wales fans on here not be gracious if I'm honest. Oh and there's englandglory4eva who is a unique poster...probably goes by the name of Danny Cipriani in the real world .

englandglory4ever wrote:After Breadvan and Dragon's gloating comments I will be the first on here to wave goodbye to Wales if England win tonight. Fiji were robbed they are only still in it because of several iffy referee decisions. They were well outplayed by Fiji in the second half.

If England didn't have several iffy decisions go their way last Saturday I truly believe they wouldn't have got within 10 points of Wales.

mikey_dragon wrote:

englandglory4ever wrote:After Breadvan and Dragon's gloating comments I will be the first on here to wave goodbye to Wales if England win tonight. Fiji were robbed they are only still in it because of several iffy referee decisions. They were well outplayed by Fiji in the second half.

If England didn't have several iffy decisions go their way last Saturday I truly believe they wouldn't have got within 10 points of Wales.

One of my mates said the only way a crocked half baked side like Wales could beat England was if the ref helped them! I blame Barritt myself.

englandglory4ever wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

englandglory4ever wrote:After Breadvan and Dragon's gloating comments I will be the first on here to wave goodbye to Wales if England win tonight. Fiji were robbed they are only still in it because of several iffy referee decisions. They were well outplayed by Fiji in the second half.

If England didn't have several iffy decisions go their way last Saturday I truly believe they wouldn't have got within 10 points of Wales.

One of my mates said the only way a crocked half baked side like Wales could beat England was if the ref helped them! I blame Barritt myself.

I think it has been well commented that when a squad lose some of their most influential players it galvanises the squad to play at a level above what is expected of them.

Er..... exsqueeze me. I may have a Welsh surname, resided in the principality for almost 15 yrs now, have an Ospreys season ticket,go to the odd Swans game. So yes, I may have picked up a teensy weeny bit of a Welsh twang. Ok butt......tidy mun!

The grief on social media I've had since last sat has eclipsed the game in 2013 that I don't talk about...

mikey_dragon wrote:That's because a lot of them lost their WiFi and didn't get it back until a few days later... I haven't seen any Wales fans on here not be gracious if I'm honest. Oh and there's englandglory4eva who is a unique poster...probably goes by the name of Danny Cipriani in the real world .

Mike Brown surely.

Who lost their wifi? All the English posters have been around

Not quite like maestegmafia who disappeared for a couple of months after February..

BamBam wrote:Who lost their wifi? All the English posters have been around

Not quite like maestegmafia who disappeared for a couple of months after February..

Lol, I remember that well

nathan wrote:

BamBam wrote:Who lost their wifi? All the English posters have been around

Not quite like maestegmafia who disappeared for a couple of months after February..

Lol, I remember that well

Some of the ones who accused Maesteg of doing that; BigTrevsBigMac, Cyril, Beshocked, Well-Past-It. In recent discussions these awful lot have also brought up Gethin Jenkins and accused him of being a cheat. They've all gone really quiet on the matter after witnessing Marler and Cole do the same thing. I said at the time of Wales' great victory that it all brought a smile to my face .

They've all been posting all week! I think you're clutching at straws a bit to say they lost their wifi

And props cheating? Who'da thunk it

So you weren't clutching at straws in Feb then? This attitude is akin to the English philosophy that only Wales would try and cheat in the scrum. All been debunked now, of course. Was never in doubt for the smarter folk such as myself though.

mikey_dragon wrote:So you weren't clutching at straws in Feb then? This attitude is akin to the English philosophy that only Wales would try and cheat in the scrum. All been debunked now, of course. Was never in doubt for the smarter folk such as myself though.

You lost me at tail end of your post

nathan wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:So you weren't clutching at straws in Feb then? This attitude is akin to the English philosophy that only Wales would try and cheat in the scrum. All been debunked now, of course. Was never in doubt for the smarter folk such as myself though.

You lost me at tail end of your post

You were one of the delusional whiners on the first match thread. I hope you've managed to wipe away the tears a week later.

mikey_dragon wrote:So you weren't clutching at straws in Feb then? This attitude is akin to the English philosophy that only Wales would try and cheat in the scrum. All been debunked now, of course. Was never in doubt for the smarter folk such as myself though.

Well maes did disappear for 2 months, the losing wifi bit may be an amusing take on it but it's based on fact

Unlike you stating the same about those posters

You're posting style is looking familiar, especially considering you joined a couple of months ago. Dripping with arrogance and ignorance

I'm just gonna sit here and enjoy the bickering.

BamBam wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:So you weren't clutching at straws in Feb then? This attitude is akin to the English philosophy that only Wales would try and cheat in the scrum. All been debunked now, of course. Was never in doubt for the smarter folk such as myself though.

Well maes did disappear for 2 months, the losing wifi bit may be an amusing take on it but it's based on fact

Unlike you stating the same about those posters

You're posting style is looking familiar, especially considering you joined a couple of months ago. Dripping with arrogance and ignorance

The conversation came up in recent weeks before the world cup, and I was surprised to be reading it so long after that match (2014). If I post responses that disagrees with yours and their views it is dismissed as ignorance? I find that typical of a few posters on here, not just English ones before I also get accused of being anti-English; I'm actually supporting your lads tonight because I would prefer Aus to go out in the pool stages.

And yes, okay..

BamBam wrote: Well maes did disappear for 2 months, the losing wifi bit may be an amusing take on it but it's based on fact

What are you accusing me of and when was this....???

I was talking about the match earlier this year, wouldn't be surprised if it was a habit

And don't worry, I wasn't confusing you for the ghost, you haven't the same level of intellect (although it's funny someone who only joined 3 months ago knows of the ghost isn't it)

I don't know of the ghost, interested to know who he is or was? But I've seen that emoticon banded about a few times, usually at new posters. Welcoming place huh?

mikey_dragon wrote:...In recent discussions these awful lot have also brought up Gethin Jenkins and accused him of being a cheat...

You haven't named me, and I've never accused Jenkins of being a cheat. However, I'm happy to say that he's often scrummaged illegally. The fact he once picked up three yellow cards in six tests suggests referees agree. It wasn't an issue during England's defeat last week, so there was nothing to bring up.

BamBam wrote:Who lost their wifi? All the English posters have been around

Not quite like maestegmafia who disappeared for a couple of months after February..

Are you now falsely accusing me of getting a ban...?

It looked suspicious to me during the game, then Marler was brought up by several ex-players and referees in the aftermath. And no Rugby Fan, I don't remember your name but we may have discussed it.

mikey_dragon wrote:It looked suspicious to me during the game, then Marler was brought up by several ex-players and referees in the aftermath. And no Rugby Fan, I don't remember your name but we may have discussed it.

I'm happy to entertain the idea that Marler scrummages illegally. To date, though, referees haven't pulled him up, so he's either getting away with it, or - as Brian Moore maintains - he isn't doing anything noteworthy.

He's in the spotlight now, though, and if he gets a run of yellow cards to match Jenkins, then that would certainly suggest he's on the wrong side of the law. If not, then his critics might not have a case.

englandglory4ever wrote:After Breadvan and Dragon's gloating comments I will be the first on here to wave goodbye to Wales if England win tonight. Fiji were robbed they are only still in it because of several iffy referee decisions. They were well outplayed by Fiji in the second half.

Hard lines mate.

Shall I dig up posts by English people, saying things like "the group of death is looking less deadly now", when 1/2p and Webb were ruled out? There are bad apples on both sides.

Talking about well outplayed second half. Least we have the shorter gap between games to blame.