QF1: South Africa v Wales, 17 October

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SOUTH AFRICA v WALES

17 October 2015
16:00 BST (UTC+01)
Twickenham, London

Live on expensive telly

Ref: Wayne Barnes (England)
ARs: George Clancy (Ireland) and JP Doyle (England)
TMO: Graham Hughes (England)

A. Head to Head

30 Played 30
27 Won 2
1 Drawn 1
2 Lost 27
814 Points 440

B. Recent Form

29 November 2014
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
12–6 to Wales

21 June 2014
Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit
31–30 to South Africa

14 June 2014
Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban
38–16 to South Africa

9 November 2013
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
15–24 to South Africa

11 September 2011
Wellington Regional Stadium, Wellington
17–16 to South Africa

13 November 2010
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
25–29 to South Africa

5 June 2010
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
31–34 to South Africa

8 November 2008
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
15–20 to South Africa

C. TEAMS:
SOUTH AFRICA

Le Roux; Pietersen, Kriel, De Allende, Habana; Pollard, Du Preez (capt); Mtawarira, B du Plessis, Malherbe; De Jager, Etzebeth; Burger, Louw, Vermeulen.

Replacements: Strauss for Du Plessis (55), Nyakane for Tendai Mtawarira (56), J Du Plessis for Malherbe (60), Du Toit for Etzebeth (67), Alberts for Louw (67), Lambie for Pollard (76), Serfontein for Kriel (67), Pienaar (unused).


WALES

Anscombe; Cuthbert, Morgan, Roberts, North; Biggar, G Davies; Jenkins, Baldwin, Lee; Charteris, AW Jones; Lydiate, Warburton (capt), Faletau.

Replacements: Owens for Baldwin (56), James for Jenkins (55), Francis for Lee (55), Davies for Charteris (63), Tipuric for Lydiate (67), L Williams for G Davies (70), Priestland for Biggar (73), Hook for Morgan (67).

TightHEAD wrote:What odds on Cuthbert scoring the winning try?

Not sure about it be the winning try but he 14/1 to be last try scorer with Coral

Not that I doubt it will come to it but what's the deciding criteria if its a draw.

Guessing extra time first then tries then?

mikey_dragon wrote:

majesticimperialman wrote:

munkian wrote:A seriously depleted Wales didn't the Aus backline that shredded England across our try line and probably should have won that game with better decision making.

Just sayin'

A full Wales team could not cross the line even when Australia was down to 13 men. So if Wales cannot beat a 13 man Australia team. What chance do Wales have against a full firing South Africa team?

Yawn, zzzzzzzz.

I'll remember this next time you post some pointless wind up on an England thread.

R

lostinwales wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

majesticimperialman wrote:

munkian wrote:A seriously depleted Wales didn't the Aus backline that shredded England across our try line and probably should have won that game with better decision making.

Just sayin'

A full Wales team could not cross the line even when Australia was down to 13 men. So if Wales cannot beat a 13 man Australia team. What chance do Wales have against a full firing South Africa team?

Yawn, zzzzzzzz.

I'll remember this next time you post some pointless wind up on an England thread.

Lostinwales stop being mean to Madge...!!!

lostinwales wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

majesticimperialman wrote:

munkian wrote:A seriously depleted Wales didn't the Aus backline that shredded England across our try line and probably should have won that game with better decision making.

Just sayin'

A full Wales team could not cross the line even when Australia was down to 13 men. So if Wales cannot beat a 13 man Australia team. What chance do Wales have against a full firing South Africa team?

Yawn, zzzzzzzz.

I'll remember this next time you post some pointless wind up on an England thread.

Oh lookie here. An imbecile wum post getting backed up by another imbecile post - no surprise given the authors are madge and lostinwales, both still frothing at the mouth after Wales helped dump them out of their own World Cup. Here's a bit of advice, why don't you stay off the Wales match threads because you've nothing to offer. Find a new team to obsess over.

And sorry to disappoint you but you will not get the opportunity to post another "my dad is bigger" reply to me because I don't post pointless wind ups on the England thread. Say no more!

This is not about Wales or South Africa for that matter.

It is about the (Captain and vice Captain).

Every time the team is announced they all ways say who the Captain is. But they never say who the vice Captain is.

The question is does the referee know be fore the game starts? or is it decided when the captain leaves the field, through injury, yellow/red card?

Madge wrote:This is not about Wales or South Africa for that matter.

It certainly is - this is the Wales versus South Africa match thread. Can't you read? You're dragging this off topic with pointless mumbo jumbo now.

majesticimperialman wrote:This is not about Wales or South Africa for that matter.

It is about the (Captain and vice Captain).

Every time the team is announced they all ways say who the Captain is. But they never say who the vice Captain is.

The question is does the referee know be fore the game starts? or is it decided when the captain leaves the field, through injury, yellow/red card?

In the old days if the captain was a back you'd list pack leader.

But am sure its a flexible situation. Captain goes off ref finds out who is the next in charge.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Madge wrote:This is not about Wales or South Africa for that matter.

It certainly is - this is the Wales versus South Africa match thread. Can't you read? You're dragging this off topic with pointless mumbo jumbo now.

Yes can't you? Read my thread and respond too it or don't bother. ok.

Look its like this. If Wales do a number on SA then they will deserve a heap of praise.

All they have done so far is show that they are good defenders and have an excellent kicker. They held their nerve against England in the face of a heap of injuries when England so obviously lost theirs. Well done. But that is all they have done so far. If England had taken that kick and got the draw well then Wales would have been at home crying over the injuries that cost them a route through to the quarter finals and England would be gearing up for the humping they'd get from SA instead.

Not sure why Walker was called up to the squad even if he is Wales get to the next round and in the unlikely event he is declared fit, he never seems to last.

lostinwales wrote:Look its like this. If Wales do a number on SA then they will deserve a heap of praise.

All they have done so far is show that they are good defenders and have an excellent kicker. They held their nerve against England in the face of a heap of injuries when England so obviously lost theirs. Well done. But that is all they have done so far. If England had taken that kick and got the draw well then Wales would have been at home crying over the injuries that cost them a route through to the quarter finals and England would be gearing up for the humping they'd get from SA instead.

Ifs and buts... the scourge of 606.

Griff wrote:

lostinwales wrote:Look its like this. If Wales do a number on SA then they will deserve a heap of praise.

All they have done so far is show that they are good defenders and have an excellent kicker. They held their nerve against England in the face of a heap of injuries when England so obviously lost theirs. Well done. But that is all they have done so far. If England had taken that kick and got the draw well then Wales would have been at home crying over the injuries that cost them a route through to the quarter finals and England would be gearing up for the humping they'd get from SA instead.

Ifs and buts... the scourge of 606.

I like big buts and I cannot lie.

majesticimperialman wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Madge wrote:This is not about Wales or South Africa for that matter.

It certainly is - this is the Wales versus South Africa match thread. Can't you read? You're dragging this off topic with pointless mumbo jumbo now.

Yes can't you? Read my thread and respond too it or don't bother. ok.

Just stop talking madge...

Griff wrote:

lostinwales wrote:Look its like this. If Wales do a number on SA then they will deserve a heap of praise.

All they have done so far is show that they are good defenders and have an excellent kicker. They held their nerve against England in the face of a heap of injuries when England so obviously lost theirs. Well done. But that is all they have done so far. If England had taken that kick and got the draw well then Wales would have been at home crying over the injuries that cost them a route through to the quarter finals and England would be gearing up for the humping they'd get from SA instead.

Ifs and buts... the scourge of 606.

If England had hired a real coach at the end of 2011 instead of Lancaster.... If only eh.

Griff wrote:

lostinwales wrote:Look its like this. If Wales do a number on SA then they will deserve a heap of praise.

All they have done so far is show that they are good defenders and have an excellent kicker. They held their nerve against England in the face of a heap of injuries when England so obviously lost theirs. Well done. But that is all they have done so far. If England had taken that kick and got the draw well then Wales would have been at home crying over the injuries that cost them a route through to the quarter finals and England would be gearing up for the humping they'd get from SA instead.

Ifs and buts... the scourge of 606.

Hardly the scourge. This place would be very quiet without them

glamorganalun wrote:Not sure why Walker was called up to the squad even if he is Wales get to the next round and in the unlikely event he is declared fit, he never seems to last.

I agree he's always bloody injured he must be made of glass.

You could say the same about Cory Allen. I used to get injured fairly often myself, I put it down to having bad luck more than anything else.

bedfordwelsh wrote:Not that I doubt it will come to it but what's the deciding criteria if its a draw.  

Guessing extra time first then tries then?

Not sure if it's been answered but:
1) Extra time
2) More extra time
3) Kicking competition

Edit: http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/tournament-rules

Happy with the team, bar the passenger on the wing and maybe the Loosehead position.

I did kind of want Tyler not to be picked though, so we don't have to be subjected to the "he's out of his depth" talk. I can't believe somebody like Hook is considered an option anywhere as a starter, unless crabbing across field is the way forward in a sense.

Risca Rev wrote:Happy with the team, bar the passenger on the wing and maybe the Loosehead position.

I did kind of want Tyler not to be picked though, so we don't have to be subjected to the "he's out of his depth" talk. I can't believe somebody like Hook is considered an option anywhere as a starter, unless crabbing across field is the way forward in a sense.

Well if Hook was to play thirteen there would be little room to crab across as there isn't much space left.

It is a tough game for Tyler, we are asking a lot of him. He show some promise. Saturday would be a great day to prove his class on the biggest stage. A really good day, in fact the most perfect day... I hope he does.

Some Wales World Cup players went to an amusement park on their midweek day off http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34534634

What is going on... We're losing enough of them in the line of duty... We cant risk them being injured on a roller-coaster

Looking at the rules, a draw means extra time, sudden death extra time then kicking comp! Wot price Gethin 2 make the winning kick I wonder? Worth a penny of anyone's money! You'd probably get even better odds on Alex Cuthbert not getting slagged off after the match, the way his luck is going at the moment! I actually like the guy, he seems quite commited to the cause and while he's never been the soundest defender, when on form, he's a deadly finisher! When off form however, he cannot do a thing right! I feel a bit sorry for him, he must know he's only playing because he's the last man standing! Anyway, I sincerely hope he has at least a decent game on Saturday and doesn't make a catastrophic error that loses us the game! From there, there is no return!

Poor Tyler, just been listening to 5live rugby, and Horgan, Dawson, Skinstad and McLoughlin have been talking about this young Morgan who has been picked.

He has the 'X factor', jinking feet, can create something out of nothing,  did well at fullback vs Fiji and scored two tries against SA in the summer. Oh dear, they spent 15 minutes talking about the wrong Morgan!

chris_501 wrote:

He has the 'X factor', jinking feet, can create something out of nothing,  did well at fullback vs Fiji and scored two tries against SA in the summer. Oh dear, they spent 15 minutes talking about the wrong Morgan!

It's very exciting being Welsh, supporting our teams in a run of games most people convince us we should lose, knowing that despite the odds we always seem to have a chance of a win.

maestegmafia wrote:It's very exciting being Welsh, supporting our teams in a run of games most people convince us we should lose, knowing that despite the odds we always seem to have a chance of a win.

Yes maestegmafia. I guess it is very exciting being a Welsh, and very nervous at the same time, going into these games what with all the injury's and hoping praying even, you first of all get the win. and second you don't get any more injury's.

Maesteg bach! No rugby fans in the world go through the turmoil us Welshmen do! The only nation who's passion would compare is NZ and they just win 99% of the time anyway! Welsh rugby has given me some of my greatest highs, and some of the most downtrodden lows of my life! I understand that You've always gotta take the highs with the lows in life but come on, our national team extracts the urine, Every game is a ferking drama! So hope we sneak past the boks on sat, a SF against France followed by a final v Scotland appeals greatly! Lol #bringiton #cymruambyth

majesticimperialman wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:It's very exciting being Welsh, supporting our teams in a run of games most people convince us we should lose, knowing that despite the odds we always seem to have a chance of a win.

Yes maestegmafia. I guess it is very exciting being a Welsh, and very nervous at the same time, going into these games what with all the injury's and hoping praying even, you first of all get the win. and second you don't get any more injury's.

A most interesting game is this. If Wales keep their discipline, don't give away penalties and chop down the SA ball carriers, I think the Boks could have another meltdown.

News in!  The Welsh players have sacked Gatland!!!!   Oh what a weekend we have in store!!!!!

profitius wrote:A most interesting game is this. If Wales keep their discipline, don't give away penalties and chop down the SA ball carriers, I think the Boks could have another meltdown.

Apparently they have been assessing their attack decisions from the last game.

Basically Gatland gave them a bollocking for not utilising a 3:1 overlap among several other things.

Gonna be an interesting match this, the Welsh supporters started out posively and believed they can win, then as the thread progressed they started talking themselves out of a possible win and as team announcements were made they have now started talking themselves back into winning the match.

By tomorrow who knows?

It could be a thrashing either way.

Biltong wrote:Gonna be an interesting match this, the Welsh supporters started out posively and believed they can win, then as the thread progressed they started talking themselves out of a possible win and as team announcements were made they have now started talking themselves back into winning the match.

By tomorrow who knows?

It could be a thrashing either way.

Not sure if you have ever been up our way, it's a beautiful country, but as you cross the Severn into Wales the road follows the contours of the landscape, one minute you are at sea level and the next you are a thousand feet up looking down on England.

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:Gonna be an interesting match this, the Welsh supporters started out posively and believed they can win, then as the thread progressed they started talking themselves out of a possible win and as team announcements were made they have now started talking themselves back into winning the match.

By tomorrow who knows?

It could be a thrashing either way.

Not sure if you have ever been up our way, it's a beautiful country, but as you cross the Severn into Wales the road follows the contours of the landscape, one minute you are at sea level and the next you are a thousand feet up looking down on England.

Ha,Ha,Ha, nice one maes, nice one.

SecretFly wrote:News in!  The Welsh players have sacked Gatland!!!!   Oh what a weekend we have in store!!!!!

Apparently so. Gats wanted to take the players to a box factory but they rebelled and went to Thorpe park instead.

maestegmafia wrote:R

lostinwales wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

majesticimperialman wrote:

munkian wrote:A seriously depleted Wales didn't the Aus backline that shredded England across our try line and probably should have won that game with better decision making.

Just sayin'

A full Wales team could not cross the line even when Australia was down to 13 men. So if Wales cannot beat a 13 man Australia team. What chance do Wales have against a full firing South Africa team?

Yawn, zzzzzzzz.

I'll remember this next time you post some pointless wind up on an England thread.

Lostinwales stop being mean to Madge...!!!

Think he meant 'I'll remember this next time you post some wind up on a pointless England thread.'

lostinwales wrote:Look its like this. If Wales do a number on SA then they will deserve a heap of praise.

All they have done so far is show that they are good defenders and have an excellent kicker. They held their nerve against England in the face of a heap of injuries when England so obviously lost theirs. Well done. But that is all they have done so far. If England had taken that kick and got the draw well then Wales would have been at home crying over the injuries that cost them a route through to the quarter finals and England would be gearing up for the humping they'd get from SA instead.

You see it your way pal, the FACTS are we beat england and the kick was not a given anyway. We held Aussie and had Wales not done and england could may well have beaten them, no worries we are in the Q Final with a great chance against SA, well a better chance than England anyway

lostinwales wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

majesticimperialman wrote:

munkian wrote:A seriously depleted Wales didn't the Aus backline that shredded England across our try line and probably should have won that game with better decision making.

Just sayin'

A full Wales team could not cross the line even when Australia was down to 13 men. So if Wales cannot beat a 13 man Australia team. What chance do Wales have against a full firing South Africa team?

Yawn, zzzzzzzz.

I'll remember this next time you post some pointless wind up on an England thread.

There wont be an England thread till next year shewerley ?

I have the same opinion about Wales in this match as I had last week, they have a real chance. They fronted up physically last week, defended well and pressured the Oz line. If it weren't for a lack of clarity at crucial times they would have won the game.
I think it will be a similar encounter with the result in the balance until the last few minutes.

South Africa have bounced back well after their inital upset, but like Australia have looked better than perhaps they have been in what turned out to be a pretty weak group.
Decent victory against Scotland (who rested plenty of layers?) and pretty easy wins against disappointing USA and Samoa sides.

Rainbow warrior

Are you named after the ship that Steve Hansen referred to? Never heard of it before yesterday

goneagain wrote:I have the same opinion about Wales in this match as I had last week, they have a real chance. They fronted up physically last week, defended well and pressured the Oz line. If it weren't for a lack of clarity at crucial times they would have won the game.
I think it will be a similar encounter with the result in the balance until the last few minutes.

South Africa have bounced back well after their inital upset, but like Australia have looked better than perhaps they have been in what turned out to be a pretty weak group.
Decent victory against Scotland (who rested plenty of layers?) and pretty easy wins against disappointing USA and Samoa sides.

I agree, I think too many are writing Wales off. Wales also don't have the mental block with SA as exists against Australia. I'm not really convinced that SA have bounced back yet. I anticipate a close result - I think the strength of the SA bench will be the differece provided HM uses it wisely.

We need to get our scrum sorted from the off, as great a player as Jenkins is I would have started James but least we have him to come off the bench.

offload wrote:

goneagain wrote:I have the same opinion about Wales in this match as I had last week, they have a real chance. They fronted up physically last week, defended well and pressured the Oz line. If it weren't for a lack of clarity at crucial times they would have won the game.
I think it will be a similar encounter with the result in the balance until the last few minutes.

South Africa have bounced back well after their inital upset, but like Australia have looked better than perhaps they have been in what turned out to be a pretty weak group.
Decent victory against Scotland (who rested plenty of layers?) and pretty easy wins against disappointing USA and Samoa sides.

I agree, I think too many are writing Wales off.  Wales also don't have the mental block with SA as exists against Australia.  I'm not really convinced that SA have bounced back yet.  I anticipate a close result - I think the strength of the SA bench will be the differece provided HM uses it wisely.

Wales have beaten SA twice, they have beaten Australia 10 times?

Are you suggesting that dour match in november has lifted the mental block?

bedfordwelsh wrote:We need to get our scrum sorted from the off, as great a player as Jenkins is I would have started James but least we have him to come off the bench.

I'd have stuck with James too (even though as I've said before, he's been a penalty machine for Bath) and put Jenkins on the bench.

bedfordwelsh wrote:We need to get our scrum sorted from the off, as great a player as Jenkins is I would have started James but least we have him to come off the bench.

BW, I would have had the same as you, but there was some optimism in that Gatland said in a Q and A session after yesterdays unveiling, he didn't expect Jenkins to play all the game, so Paul will be on to shore it up.

Biltong wrote:

offload wrote:

goneagain wrote:I have the same opinion about Wales in this match as I had last week, they have a real chance. They fronted up physically last week, defended well and pressured the Oz line. If it weren't for a lack of clarity at crucial times they would have won the game.
I think it will be a similar encounter with the result in the balance until the last few minutes.

South Africa have bounced back well after their inital upset, but like Australia have looked better than perhaps they have been in what turned out to be a pretty weak group.
Decent victory against Scotland (who rested plenty of layers?) and pretty easy wins against disappointing USA and Samoa sides.

I agree, I think too many are writing Wales off.  Wales also don't have the mental block with SA as exists against Australia.  I'm not really convinced that SA have bounced back yet.  I anticipate a close result - I think the strength of the SA bench will be the differece provided HM uses it wisely.

Wales have beaten SA twice, they have beaten Australia 10 times?

Are you suggesting that dour match in november has lifted the mental block?

No - the record against SA is poor and obvious, but many in the current team have not beaten Australia, they have lost to them 11 in a row! I think that has an effect that isn't there when they line up against SA.

wayne wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:We need to get our scrum sorted from the off, as great a player as Jenkins is I would have started James but least we have him to come off the bench.

BW, I would have had the same as you, but there was some optimism in that Gatland said in a Q and A session after yesterdays unveiling, he didn't expect Jenkins to play all the game, so Paul will be on to shore it up.

Let's hope it's not to late by then. In all fairness to Jenkins he lasted the full 80 against England something that I didn't expect him to do and I don't think anyone can doubt his work load around the park or his contribution in the loose but he needs to do his primary job first and foremost as that is where we have struggled.

Biltong wrote:

offload wrote:

goneagain wrote:I have the same opinion about Wales in this match as I had last week, they have a real chance. They fronted up physically last week, defended well and pressured the Oz line. If it weren't for a lack of clarity at crucial times they would have won the game.
I think it will be a similar encounter with the result in the balance until the last few minutes.

South Africa have bounced back well after their inital upset, but like Australia have looked better than perhaps they have been in what turned out to be a pretty weak group.
Decent victory against Scotland (who rested plenty of layers?) and pretty easy wins against disappointing USA and Samoa sides.

I agree, I think too many are writing Wales off.  Wales also don't have the mental block with SA as exists against Australia.  I'm not really convinced that SA have bounced back yet.  I anticipate a close result - I think the strength of the SA bench will be the differece provided HM uses it wisely.

Wales have beaten SA twice, they have beaten Australia 10 times?

Are you suggesting that dour match in november has lifted the mental block?

I'll take another 6 point win, hell, I'll take a 3-0 win, especially if we match you in physicality like this again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuKUj-rkZ2w