QF1: South Africa v Wales, 17 October

by **George Carlin** Sun 11 Oct 2015, 7:08 am

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SOUTH AFRICA v WALES

17 October 2015
16:00 BST (UTC+01)
Twickenham, London

Live on expensive telly

Ref: Wayne Barnes (England)
ARs: George Clancy (Ireland) and JP Doyle (England)
TMO: Graham Hughes (England)

A. Head to Head

30 Played 30
27 Won 2
1 Drawn 1
2 Lost 27
814 Points 440

B. Recent Form

29 November 2014
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
12–6 to Wales

21 June 2014
Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit
31–30 to South Africa

14 June 2014
Growthpoint Kings Park, Durban
38–16 to South Africa

9 November 2013
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
15–24 to South Africa

11 September 2011
Wellington Regional Stadium, Wellington
17–16 to South Africa

13 November 2010
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
25–29 to South Africa

5 June 2010
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
31–34 to South Africa

8 November 2008
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
15–20 to South Africa

C. TEAMS:
SOUTH AFRICA
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QF1: South Africa v Wales, 17 October - Page 13 Tanit_10

Le Roux; Pietersen, Kriel, De Allende, Habana; Pollard, Du Preez (capt); Mtawarira, B du Plessis, Malherbe; De Jager, Etzebeth; Burger, Louw, Vermeulen.

Replacements: Strauss for Du Plessis (55), Nyakane for Tendai Mtawarira (56), J Du Plessis for Malherbe (60), Du Toit for Etzebeth (67), Alberts for Louw (67), Lambie for Pollard (76), Serfontein for Kriel (67), Pienaar (unused).

WALES
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QF1: South Africa v Wales, 17 October - Page 13 Cather10

Anscombe; Cuthbert, Morgan, Roberts, North; Biggar, G Davies; Jenkins, Baldwin, Lee; Charteris, AW Jones; Lydiate, Warburton (capt), Faletau.

Replacements: Owens for Baldwin (56), James for Jenkins (55), Francis for Lee (55), Davies for Charteris (63), Tipuric for Lydiate (67), L Williams for G Davies (70), Priestland for Biggar (73), Hook for Morgan (67).

by InjuredYetAgain Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:48 pm

Nice try. Can't blame Cuthbert as he had to try to stop the offload

by **Notch** Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:48 pm

Well, maybe the commentators were wrong about that then. Thats why they had said he was coming off.

by nathan Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:49 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Notch wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Stupid to remove Biggar, he is absolutely fuming as well.

If he needs a head injury assessment, he needs one. Never the wrong call to make sure a player isn't playing through concussion.

Ah that's heartbreaking for Wales. Absolutely heartbreaking.

I didn't se that he needed a HIA. If he did why is he sitting in the stands with the rest of the team and not getting assessed?

Because there isn't enough time for an assessment and then to come back on

by nathan Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:49 pm

Wales forwards losing here

by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:50 pm

cuthbert just not good enough at this level. sorry.

by glamorganalun Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:50 pm

Well done SA much better 2nd half

by BamBam Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:50 pm

Why on earth is he going for a drop goal from 40 yards

by **Notch** Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:52 pm

quinsforever wrote:cuthbert just not good enough at this level. sorry.

I don't think Gatland would even disagree with you, privately. It's taken injuries for half the backs in Wales to get him in there.

It's so frustrating because he's big, he's fast, he's strong- he has so much potential but isn't delivering on it.

by nathan Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:52 pm

Sorry Wales!

by BamBam Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:53 pm

Unlucky Wales

Very happy for South Africa

by wales606 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:53 pm

Gutting

by InjuredYetAgain Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:53 pm

Unlucky Wales. Well done, SA.
Another good game.

by **Biltong** Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:53 pm

Commisserations Wales, great ense contest.

by mckay1402 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:53 pm

Well

by nathan Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:53 pm

2nd half from SA was special, amount of power they showed.

by eirebilly Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:53 pm

Absolutely gutted for Wales. What a match only to come just short. Cant see SA progressing past the SF though as they are not looking that good.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:53 pm

If Pollard was playing well SA would have won that by 20. Fair play to Wales for keeping in it but they just came up short in the end.

Unlucky Wales thumbsup

by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:54 pm

dont agree about wayne barnes. thats bs. wales lost that because charteris and awj gave away 6 penalties. and thats all.

by Duty281 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:54 pm

Great contest. Well done South Africa. Wales just didn't have anything left to give in that last quarter of an hour.

by eirebilly Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:54 pm

mckay1402 wrote:Well done south Africa but Wayne Barnes gave you that.

You sound like gunsgerms Wink

Thought that Barnes was not too bad today.

by nathan Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:55 pm

mckay1402 wrote:Well done south Africa but Wayne Barnes gave you that.

by Shifty Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:55 pm

I'm not surprised we lost, I was just hoping Wales would make a good fight of it and we did. South Africa rallied in the second half and over powered us.

Best of luck to Biltong and all the other South Africa fans in the semi's you were a bit better today.

by Cyril Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:56 pm

Well done SA!

Plucky by Wales but better side won. Just need NZ, Arg and Aus to win for my bet to come in now Smile

by offload Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:57 pm

quinsforever wrote:dont agree about wayne barnes. thats bs. wales lost that because charteris and awj gave away 6 penalties. and thats all.

Agree. Barnes was not the problem.

Problem was discipline, poor kicking from hand and Cuthbert.

by gregortree Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:57 pm

Great match. Too bad Wales have to go out for the guts they played with throughout the tournament. clap

by kingraf Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:58 pm

With that, it should at the very least be SANZAR 3-1 6N. Gonna be praying hard for Argentina

by asoreleftshoulder Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:58 pm

Harsh way to lose for Wales,they've done very well in this World Cup when you take into account all the injuries they've had.

Congrats to S.A. they have really turned things around after losing their opening match.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:58 pm

Gutting for the Welsh, fighting until the bitter end as they always do. It is so frustrating that they can't finish these games.

Biltong - I think you may be right about Vermeulen being the top dog in his position. I always rated him of course but today he was exceptional in every area of the game, one of the best performances I have seen from an eighth-man. Monstrous performance from him (as well as Burger).

by mikey_dragon Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:58 pm

MOTM is Vermeulen surely? Everything SA did well was off the back of him. If not the it's probably Wayne Barnes for giving SA the breakdown Wink

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by **Biltong** Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:58 pm

Shifty wrote:I'm not surprised we lost, I was just hoping Wales would make a good fight of it and we did. South Africa rallied in the second half and over powered us.

Best of luck to Biltong and all the other South Africa fans in the semi's you were a bit better today.

Thanks mate, Wales played really well, they controlled the aerial battle and almost made us pay for it, their defense was again immense, just happy there were no cards and a clean game.

Commesserations again to the Welsh, your team made you proud today.

by majesticimperialman Sat 17 Oct 2015, 5:59 pm

Well first of all well played Wales you did really well, but South Africa was too power full in the second half. Dan Biggar was out standing for Wales, did Cuthbert cost Wales the game by not staying out on his wing?

Well played South Africa, i thought at one time Wales was going to win the game, but you showed why you have been the third best team in the World for so long.

A great game i must admit, and a closure game than i thought it would be. So well played both teams for a fantastic game. And very bad luck to Wales.

by Cyril Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:00 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:MOTM is Vermeulen surely? Everything SA did well was off the back of him. If not the it's probably Wayne Barnes for giving SA the breakdown .

I thought you never complained about refs? Sad

by monty junior Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:00 pm

Springoks deserved to win! good match

by **Biltong** Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:01 pm

Cyril wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:MOTM is Vermeulen surely? Everything SA did well was off the back of him. If not the it's probably Wayne Barnes for giving SA the breakdown .

I thought you never complained about refs?

Well then, thank you Wayne Barnes Wink

by mikey_dragon Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:02 pm

Cyril wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:MOTM is Vermeulen surely? Everything SA did well was off the back of him. If not the it's probably Wayne Barnes for giving SA the breakdown .

I thought you never complained about refs?

Highlighted the inconsistency much earlier in the thread as did others. Well done SA.

RE your bet, what were the odds for SANZAR 3 - 1 6N (Ire)? I think that's more likely to come off.

by Cyril Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:03 pm

Thought Barnes had an excellent game. Possibly the best ref going at the moment with Owens seeming to have lost it a bit recently.

Barnes is an excellent communicator and doesn't get bossed by scrum halves.

by Hammersmith harrier Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:03 pm

I see most of you trying to be magnanimous but Barnes was poor as per usual and Mikey is spot on he handed the breakdown to SA.

by Guest Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:03 pm

Tight game and a good watch. Well done SA.

by gregortree Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:03 pm

Oh dear, the ref now getting mentioned, sadly as I predicted. Well played Wales could have been anyone's match everyone deserves credit but don't blame the ref. A great spectacle, sorry for Wales.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:04 pm

Anybody complaining about Barnes clearly doesn't understand the rules. I thought he was excellent today.

by mikey_dragon Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:04 pm

Biltong wrote:
Cyril wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:MOTM is Vermeulen surely? Everything SA did well was off the back of him. If not the it's probably Wayne Barnes for giving SA the breakdown .

I thought you never complained about refs?

Well then, thank you Wayne Barnes

Haha. Not taking anything away from SA. As Meyer would say, they "proved why they're the Springboks" or something along those lines. They kept going at it fair play, and it payed off when it mattered.

Commentary team on itv Wales were just laying into Cuthbert a bit...

by Guest Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:04 pm

Nothing wrong with Barnes I thought.

by Geordie Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:05 pm

The Welsh are complaining Sgt...

by rozakthegoon Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:05 pm

utterly gutting for wales. I was genuinely rooting for you at the end. If only cuthbert had either stayed on wing or put a proper smash of a tackle in to stop the easy offload.

You showed us english what heart is. true shame you are out.

by mikey_dragon Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:05 pm

gregortree wrote:Oh dear, the ref now getting mentioned, sadly as I predicted. Well played Wales could have been anyone's match everyone deserves credit but don't blame the ref. A great spectacle, sorry for Wales.

Ref's get talked about before during and after every match I read on here. Well done Mystic Meg!

by mckay1402 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:06 pm

For the record in talking about the decision to award the scrum to south Africa when they were all over the ball on the floor. Should have been a penalty to Wales all day

by gregortree Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:07 pm

Fanster wrote:
gregortree wrote:Wayne Barnes....the ready made 'the English ref' excuse for later on.

Not at all!!!

I hope I speak for a lot of Welsh fans when I say he's been great this tournament, and noone will be whinging about Barnes at the end of the game!!!

by majesticimperialman Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:07 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:MOTM is Vermeulen surely? Everything SA did well was off the back of him. If not the it's probably Wayne Barnes for giving SA the breakdown .

mikey__dragon.

Lets face it you was good enough to beat England. But not good enough to beat South Africa.

So Wales are out just like England are out.

You lasted one more week than we did.

So go home now and prepare for the 6ns. bye.

by trebellbobaggins Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:08 pm

All the years and all that experience but Warrenball just doesn't get it done.

by mckay1402 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 6:08 pm

I'm not complaining about Barnes in general I just don't think south Africa should have had the opportunity to score that try

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