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QF2: New Zealand v France, 17 October
First topic message reminder :
NEW ZEALAND v FRANCE
17 October 2015
KO: 20:00 BST (UTC+01)
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
Live on telly
Ref: Nigel Owens (Wales)
ARs: Jaco Peyper (South Africa) and John Lacey (Ireland)
TMO: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)
A. Head to Head
55 Played 55
42 Won 12
1 Drawn 1
12 Lost 42
1,345 Points 713
B. Recent Form
9 November 2013
Stade de France, Saint-Denis
19 – 26 to New Zealand
22 June 2013
Yarrow Stadium, New Plymouth
24 – 9 to New Zealand
15 June 2013
Rugby League Park, Christchurch
30 – 0 to New Zealand
8 June 2013
Eden Park, Auckland
23 – 13 to New Zealand
23 October 2011
Eden Park, Auckland
8 – 7 to New Zealand
24 September 2011
Eden Park, Auckland
37 – 17 to New Zealand
28 November 2009
Stade Vélodrome, Marseille
12 – 39 to New Zealand
20 June 2009
Westpac Stadium, Wellington
14 – 10 to New Zealand
13 June 2009
Carisbrook, Dunedin
22 – 27 to France
6 October 2007
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, Wales
18 – 20 to France
C. TEAMS:
NEW ZEALAND
Ben Smith; Nehe Milner-Skudder, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Julian Savea; Dan Carter, Aaron Smith; Wyatt Crockett, Dane Coles, Owen Franks, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Jerome Kaino, Richie McCaw (capt), Kieran Read.
Replacements: Keven Mealamu, Joe Moody, Charlie Faumuina, Victor Vito, Sam Cane, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Beauden Barrett, Sonny Bill Williams
FRANCE
Scott Spedding; Noa Nakaitaci, Alexandre Dumoulin, Wesley Fofana, Brice Dulin; Frederic Michalak, Morgan Parra; Eddy Ben Arous, Guilhem Guirado, Rabah Slimani, Pascal Pape, Yoann Maestri, Thierry Dusautoir (capt), Bernard Le Roux, Louis Picamoles.
Replacements: Dimitri Szarzewski, Vincent Debaty, Nicolas Mas, Damien Chouly, Yannick Nyanga, Rory Kockott, Remi Tales, Mathieu Bastareaud
NEW ZEALAND v FRANCE
17 October 2015
KO: 20:00 BST (UTC+01)
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
Live on telly
Ref: Nigel Owens (Wales)
ARs: Jaco Peyper (South Africa) and John Lacey (Ireland)
TMO: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)
A. Head to Head
55 Played 55
42 Won 12
1 Drawn 1
12 Lost 42
1,345 Points 713
B. Recent Form
9 November 2013
Stade de France, Saint-Denis
19 – 26 to New Zealand
22 June 2013
Yarrow Stadium, New Plymouth
24 – 9 to New Zealand
15 June 2013
Rugby League Park, Christchurch
30 – 0 to New Zealand
8 June 2013
Eden Park, Auckland
23 – 13 to New Zealand
23 October 2011
Eden Park, Auckland
8 – 7 to New Zealand
24 September 2011
Eden Park, Auckland
37 – 17 to New Zealand
28 November 2009
Stade Vélodrome, Marseille
12 – 39 to New Zealand
20 June 2009
Westpac Stadium, Wellington
14 – 10 to New Zealand
13 June 2009
Carisbrook, Dunedin
22 – 27 to France
6 October 2007
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, Wales
18 – 20 to France
C. TEAMS:
NEW ZEALAND
Ben Smith; Nehe Milner-Skudder, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Julian Savea; Dan Carter, Aaron Smith; Wyatt Crockett, Dane Coles, Owen Franks, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Jerome Kaino, Richie McCaw (capt), Kieran Read.
Replacements: Keven Mealamu, Joe Moody, Charlie Faumuina, Victor Vito, Sam Cane, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Beauden Barrett, Sonny Bill Williams
FRANCE
Scott Spedding; Noa Nakaitaci, Alexandre Dumoulin, Wesley Fofana, Brice Dulin; Frederic Michalak, Morgan Parra; Eddy Ben Arous, Guilhem Guirado, Rabah Slimani, Pascal Pape, Yoann Maestri, Thierry Dusautoir (capt), Bernard Le Roux, Louis Picamoles.
Replacements: Dimitri Szarzewski, Vincent Debaty, Nicolas Mas, Damien Chouly, Yannick Nyanga, Rory Kockott, Remi Tales, Mathieu Bastareaud
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quinsforever wrote:are jou joking? 3rd breakaway/chargedown/turnover try and its simply majestic? against france? im sorry but thats actually funnyNotch wrote:Simply majestic stuff from the All Blacks here
In fairness Quins, we've spent the last 2 weeks complaining about the lack of opportunities we get because no one on the England side can turnover the ball!
Being that lethal off turnovers is a skill in itself
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quinsforever wrote:are jou joking? 3rd breakaway/chargedown/turnover try and its simply majestic? against france? im sorry but thats actually funnyNotch wrote:Simply majestic stuff from the All Blacks here
I think you need to go and sit down in a quiet room for a little while because you are completely losing the plot on here.
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OK NZ. Stop now. Please.
I had 38-18 in the tipping comp so I'm hoping France get an unconverted try now.
More like 55-13 I'd hazard a guess...
I had 38-18 in the tipping comp so I'm hoping France get an unconverted try now.
More like 55-13 I'd hazard a guess...
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Re: QF2: New Zealand v France, 17 October
Notch wrote:Law 10.4
(a) Punching or striking. A player must not strike an opponent with the fist or arm, including the elbow, shoulder, head or knee(s).
Seems extremely obvious that Picamoles actions involved striking McCaw in the face with his fist. You have to be pretty blinkered to objet to a yellow for that.
You have to be pretty blinkered if you think I have said, at any point, that Picamoles shouldn't have been yellow-carded.
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The NH teams are just leagues behind the SH now. I wouldn't be shocked to see all out by tomorrow, even Ireland.
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Re: QF2: New Zealand v France, 17 October
I wonder is Guy Noves a surgeon..
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Re: QF2: New Zealand v France, 17 October
Duty281 wrote:You have to be pretty blinkered if you think I have said, at any point, that Picamoles shouldn't have been yellow-carded.
So whats the issue then? Once the yellow card is given the penalty has to be reversed because it's a more serious offence.
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trebellbobaggins wrote:The NH teams are just leagues behind the SH now. I wouldn't be shocked to see all out by tomorrow, even Ireland.
Wales were not leagues behind South Africa at all.
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Re: QF2: New Zealand v France, 17 October
i dont object to a yellow for it. but it wasnt a punch, as owens said, and it wasnt towards the eyes.
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That run from big Charlie. He was like a runaway trailer full of logs. Impossible to stop! l*l
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Notch wrote:Duty281 wrote:You have to be pretty blinkered if you think I have said, at any point, that Picamoles shouldn't have been yellow-carded.
So whats the issue then? Once the yellow card is given the penalty has to be reversed because it's a more serious offence.
McCaw should have been yellow-carded as well. For three blatant, and cynical, offences in the space of about twenty seconds.
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Rory_Gallagher wrote:trebellbobaggins wrote:The NH teams are just leagues behind the SH now. I wouldn't be shocked to see all out by tomorrow, even Ireland.
Wales were not leagues behind South Africa at all.
Actually that's a fair point.
But honestly none of them are close to this standard (or that of Aussie in full flow).
Obviously Ireland are the one who might make a semi but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't now (Arg looked competitive with NZ unlike this).
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Re: QF2: New Zealand v France, 17 October
Was that last pass forward?
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Majestic enough for you Quins
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Now that's a try that even quins will agree is majestic. France being eviscerated. All Blacks lighting up the tournament.
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Yeah forward lol
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bs its more serious. was handbags. what was more serious is the slowig down of ball, and then impeding of the french 9. nothing is automatic. tmos have had a big impact on this competition. and not in a good way. World rugby will learn from it.Notch wrote:Duty281 wrote:You have to be pretty blinkered if you think I have said, at any point, that Picamoles shouldn't have been yellow-carded.
So whats the issue then? Once the yellow card is given the penalty has to be reversed because it's a more serious offence.
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Re: QF2: New Zealand v France, 17 October
Duty281 wrote:Notch wrote:Duty281 wrote:You have to be pretty blinkered if you think I have said, at any point, that Picamoles shouldn't have been yellow-carded.
So whats the issue then? Once the yellow card is given the penalty has to be reversed because it's a more serious offence.
McCaw should have been yellow-carded as well. For three blatant, and cynical, offences in the space of about twenty seconds.
Wishful thunking. No, the penalty was very much sufficient. You wouldn't say another player who did the same deserved yellow. There was no imminent try scoring chance. It wasn't close to the line. No reason for a yellow. A penalty was justified, definitely, which they were getting until Picamoles decided to play the hard man.
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Re: QF2: New Zealand v France, 17 October
Must be great being an all black. Hang around offside all night, hands in the ruck, in at the side when it suits you. Pass the ball back sometimes forward sometimes no-one seems to care!
Playing some great stuff, and I'm not a hater, but I think Owens doesn't like the French.
Playing some great stuff, and I'm not a hater, but I think Owens doesn't like the French.
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Re: QF2: New Zealand v France, 17 October
I think New Zealand might shade this one.
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quinsforever wrote:bs its more serious. was handbags. what was more serious is the slowig down of ball, and then impeding of the french 9. nothing is automatic. tmos have had a big impact on this competition. and not in a good way. World rugby will learn from it.Notch wrote:Duty281 wrote:You have to be pretty blinkered if you think I have said, at any point, that Picamoles shouldn't have been yellow-carded.
So whats the issue then? Once the yellow card is given the penalty has to be reversed because it's a more serious offence.
If you agree that Picamoles was deserving of a yellow, isn't that by definition more serious than the penalty offence that McCaw was guilty of?
Unless you think McCaw should have got a yellow too, which was also a possibility
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France are gutless
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i hope to god that nigel owens isnt refereeing the final
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It's clearly not fair that a bloody prop has more skill than all of the England team
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Kerr Barlow has been on 5 mins and got 2 tries
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They've just gone completely.
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quinsforever wrote:i hope to god that nigel owens isnt refereeing the final
Only way a Welshman will ever make the final.
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Notch wrote:Duty281 wrote:Notch wrote:Duty281 wrote:You have to be pretty blinkered if you think I have said, at any point, that Picamoles shouldn't have been yellow-carded.
So whats the issue then? Once the yellow card is given the penalty has to be reversed because it's a more serious offence.
McCaw should have been yellow-carded as well. For three blatant, and cynical, offences in the space of about twenty seconds.
Wishful thunking. No, the penalty was very much sufficient. You wouldn't say another player who did the same deserved yellow. There was no imminent try scoring chance. It wasn't close to the line. No reason for a yellow. A penalty was justified, definitely, which they were getting until Picamoles decided to play the hard man.
Yes I would.
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nathan wrote:It's clearly not fair that a bloody prop has more skill than all of the England team
Their 2nd choice tighthead and 3rd choice loosehead have drawn the man and put in great off loads for tries
Depressing as hell
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ebop wrote:Damn
Still think my pre-game prediction of NZ by 25 points was over-egging them?
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no. more serious in terms of stopping a potential try scoring attack?BamBam wrote:quinsforever wrote:bs its more serious. was handbags. what was more serious is the slowig down of ball, and then impeding of the french 9. nothing is automatic. tmos have had a big impact on this competition. and not in a good way. World rugby will learn from it.Notch wrote:Duty281 wrote:You have to be pretty blinkered if you think I have said, at any point, that Picamoles shouldn't have been yellow-carded.
So whats the issue then? Once the yellow card is given the penalty has to be reversed because it's a more serious offence.
If you agree that Picamoles was deserving of a yellow, isn't that by definition more serious than the penalty offence that McCaw was guilty of?
Unless you think McCaw should have got a yellow too, which was also a possibility
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nathan wrote:Was that last pass forward?
Most likely. Ref can't be blamed for giving those however. We are all on the wrong end of those close calls at times.
I think it was still marginally forward but you'd have to let that one go in the context of the game.
I've noticed that most NH posters (save Notch and a couple of others) seem to want to talk about the ref and the rules.
Us southerners seem more interested in the game itself... for all of its little imperfections.
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BamBam wrote:Kerr Barlow has been on 5 mins and got 2 tries
Ken Barlow is playing for France (and Deidre).
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Thank god PSA is gone...
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Owens has completely lose control of the breakdown. this is what happens if the ref never blows
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The Loaded Dog wrote:nathan wrote:Was that last pass forward?
Most likely. Ref can't be blamed for giving those however. We are all on the wrong end of those close calls at times.
I think it was still marginally forward but you'd have to let that one go in the context of the game.
I've noticed that most NH posters (save Notch and a couple of others) seem to want to talk about the ref and the rules.
Us southerners seem more interested in the game itself... for all of its little imperfections.
Sorry, but I'm talking about all aspects of the game including bits missed by the ref.
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The Loaded Dog wrote:I've noticed that most NH posters (save Notch and a couple of others) seem to want to talk about the ref and the rules.
Us southerners seem more interested in the game itself... for all of its little imperfections.
The irony of the moaning about the ref is Phillippe St. Andre could be reffing this and New Zealand would still run away with it. You're never going to see a more one-sided knockout game than this.
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loaded dog. reason noone is talking about the game is that its been over for a long time.
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Yeah, I've never heard a SH ever mention a ref after a game. Ever. Honest.The Loaded Dog wrote:nathan wrote:Was that last pass forward?
Most likely. Ref can't be blamed for giving those however. We are all on the wrong end of those close calls at times.
I think it was still marginally forward but you'd have to let that one go in the context of the game.
I've noticed that most NH posters (save Notch and a couple of others) seem to want to talk about the ref and the rules.
Us southerners seem more interested in the game itself... for all of its little imperfections.
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BamBam wrote:Kerr Barlow has been on 5 mins and got 2 tries
Deirdre will be over the moon
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He did all the hard work there!!
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Quality from Ben Kay
"don't worry Ma'a happens to the best of us"
"don't worry Ma'a happens to the best of us"
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BamBam wrote:Quality from Ben Kay
"don't worry Ma'a happens to the best of us"
Lol
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quinsforever wrote:yellow and reversing the decision? thats a double penalty
Orginal pen against McCaw for holding the ball on the ground. reversed for foul play. 100% right
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