6CW Chat v8

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All shiny and new ready for the show - Over to you

Shall throw a promo later, been kinda mad week. I've got an idea that'll see Thunder play a spot of D&D. A bit of roleplay inception if you will

Maybe it's just me, would be great to get some opinions on this. Slightly controversial though.

Viper's ruining our back and forth promo by writing too much. Discuss.

I'm not saying it's not a good promo, just that in back and forths I see it as getting to the point. In real life one wouldn't just stand there while the other went on for 2 minutes non stop. He'd interrupt.

Tell me if I'm wrong though.

My back and forth with Twisty last show was quite big and detailed. if you feel his replies are too long, send one back that's even longer or work with him, to write a joint promo?

So, as Marky brought it up last night why not have the QOTD as:
Do long replies ruin B&F's?

Morning all

On the QOTD or whatever - I think ruin is a strong word. Both styles have their merits and their is a time and a place for both. My own personal preference is the shorter, snappier back and forths. I find it is sometimes really hard to pick out all the pertinent points in a really long promo to fashion a suitable reply.

I try to view it from the audience's POV - What would keep them engaged and bought into the story you are trying to tell?

I have really enjoyed the back and forth between the two of you but I will be honest and say I did think it had run its course before Vipers previous reply - In my mind Austin would have reacted before now. It's a cliché but actions speak louder than words

So this is my opinion on the matter.

I'm obviously on the side of saying that no, long replies do not ruin b&f's and in my opinion help them more than anything. The issue we have as promoers is that real life will get in the way, in an ideal world you'd work with your opponent to create joint promos that would allow for more interaction...due to this not being possible we obviously have to take it in turns to carry on the debate/arguement the best we can. For a good example of a promo written together look at the one Thunder and I did for a Thunder's Paradise in EWF, we wrote it pretty much line for line but that's because we both happened to be free at the time.

Now I'm not going to deny that when I promo in a b&f I do write a lot BUT I like to think that I keep it all relevant or use the new stuff I add in to carry on the rivalry between the two characters...I also type a lot because due to real life I might not get too many chances to reply, long replies ensure that everything is covered...they also ensure that my opponent will have something to reply too. I have seen B&F's in the past where they ended up boiling down to 1 or 2 line replies and sometimes this works but other times it kind of seems like people end up fighting for the last word without anything to say...by writing loads my opponent has the option to pick and choose what they reply too.

I think the key to a good B&F is having replies that carry on the feud and show the tension between them which I think ours is doing. If you can find stuff that isn't relevant in one of my replies, I'll hold my hands up but as you even said so yourself Marky...it's not a bad promo.

For me Austin would do everything in his power not to give a big reaction because he's stubborn as f**k, he'd want to make sure Max know's that he's not under his skin and that none of this really matters...even if it does

Ok - I did think Austin was more hot headed than that - Wood is stubborn and doesn't want to give his opponent a sign of weakness even when he is in the wrong but between the two I saw Austin as the one with anger issues he would struggle to control - But they are your characters so you would understand them best

I do think the key here is there is no right or wrong way - The important thing is that you all enjoy what you are doing and we keep 6CW moving forward, we all have our personal preferences, some may not get a particular character but that is fine, everyone gets their chance if you put the effort in, which as we all know based on the success of the fed since its return you are all more than capable of doing

I do think feedback is important but it needs to be managed in a constructive way - Not all feedback has to be positive and we need to be able to take it on the chin and see if there is anything that has been said that can be used down the line - I am sure we will all be able to admit that in hindsight there are things we have done with a character that if given the chance we wouldn't repeat but that's part of the fun, that's why we all do this

Paul Mac 6CW wrote:Morning all

On the QOTD or whatever - I think ruin is a strong word. Both styles have their merits and their is a time and a place for both. My own personal preference is the shorter, snappier back and forths. I find it is sometimes really hard to pick out all the pertinent points in a really long promo to fashion a suitable reply.

I try to view it from the audience's POV - What would keep them engaged and bought into the story you are trying to tell?

I have really enjoyed the back and forth between the two of you but I will be honest and say I did think it had run its course before Vipers previous reply - In my mind Austin would have reacted before now. It's a cliché but actions speak louder than words

Yeah, I should have said it like that rather than say ruin, there's no ruining going on.

Morning gimps

On the QotD:

There is a time and place for huge promos, I like (like Lex) to do short responses when doing a B&F as I feel you start to cover the same gound over and over with long ones, the way I see it the person who starts it gets to do a long one and then the opponent replies with a long one then there isn't any need to do it as it as Mark said be more realistic that they would be talking to each other rather than have a debate

The way I think b and f's should go is one initial longish promo, which someone that replies of the same length. Then it's basically a short and snappy reply cycle.

In my head that's how I see real life b and f's going. Someone talks in the ring, their opponent comes out and says their piece. Then, if it continues, it's short replies.

#Feedback?

#YouSuck

Who wants feedback? I can do it in a range of different characters.

Nobody really asks for feedback anymore, why is that?

Because of what happened to Uryu

It's OK if it's time to time. But if it's simply because you need an ego boost rather than legitimate feedback then I stay away from it.

Anyway if promos are really good from someone, I always make sure I post saying I enjoyed it.

Marky wrote:Because of what happened to Uryu

Is that why he changed his name to Kunishi

TwisT wrote:It's OK if it's time to time. But if it's simply because you need an ego boost rather than legitimate feedback then I stay away from it.

Anyway if promos are really good from someone, I always make sure I post saying I enjoyed it.

I don't mind hearing feedback, good or bad but I have seen down the years it really gets to people, especially bad feedback lol

Dunno why....we have all wrote a few stinkers in our time for whatever reason. Bad feedback means you can try and improve. Good feedback, just so you don't upset people, means they never know how good they could be.

Saying that I would love for Uryu and Bull to come back!

I think the important thing with feedback...good or bad is it needs to be constructive.

Uryu gave me my best feedback, It was when CP turned heel (which was terrible) and his first heel promo, he called Joyce out and humiliated her and attacked her at the end of it, I got a PM from Uryu and he said the promo made him want to punch me if he saw me can't really get better than that

That is the biggest compliment for a heel...as a kid I hated William Regal but now looking back he's one of my favourites, he was a perfect heel.

Yeah Cable's were like that too. He was probably the best in getting a reaction out of someone in real life!

If I have a new character, that is the type of persona that would fit me well

I'm aiming for Austin Stevens to be that at one point...I feel like he was getting there during his time in 6WF...right now I'm trying not to push it too far, once he's solo (probably a long time) I'll ramp it up.

Nah I don't think he would suit him as he is more in your face than sarcastic.

I never hit those heights again as a heel, I wasn't really good at the roll, I find it harder to write as a heel, even though Dicey started as a heel he became a fan favorite down the line and I don't even know how that happened lol

TwisT wrote:Nah I don't think he would suit him as he is more in your face than sarcastic.

When I say I want to get real reactions from people I mean I want people to be actually shocked by the stuff I say haha
I don't quite want to offend people but I want Austin to feel like a monster heel and with that comes saying stuff that's very offensive haha.

I always prefer the heel role but a heel who has a layer of comedy to what he does - Like the New Day or NWO - They are insulting but there are people who like what they do because its entertaining

Paul Mac 6CW wrote:I always prefer the heel role but a heel who has a layer of comedy to what he does - Like the New Day or NWO - They are insulting but there are people who like what they do because its entertaining

Or Max Adamson

Dicey Reilly wrote:

Paul Mac 6CW wrote:I always prefer the heel role but a heel who has a layer of comedy to what he does - Like the New Day or NWO - They are insulting but there are people who like what they do because its entertaining

Or Max Adamson

There isn't much room for many of them on a card though. You need the heeeeeel.

Morning all

Hey Dicey, you well?

Morning

Hey Twist/Paul

Yeah not too bad

My segment I just wrote is like reservoir dogs

Will we have double champion Monday? Has Grace got a chance?

Who's the double champ? I can't see him winning but like Thunder giving his best and coming out looking strong

Suppose it's not the right phrase. I meant two of my characters holding worldies.

Here is a QOTD

Who will hold on to their World Title the longest.....Masters or Joshua?

Who will beat them and when?

I see Joshua holding the title the longest, maybe even to the next N.O.G before being beaten by a huge face to finally give us a happy ending at a N.O.G since the rebirth

If you asked me a few months ago, I would have said Leone, a returning Gazzy D or even a face Costello would be he man to do it but now I can easily picture Thunder as the top face in the company one day and maybe the man to finally save 6CW.

I originally wanted to put Wood in the category but I feel like it would be a slap in the face to have Wood just show up and save the company after not really caring at all over the past 2 or so years.

I say Leone when he returns will take the title off Masters, when I don't know but I say Joshua will hold it longest

I think Masters will keep his longest.

I dont know who'll keep hold the longest, but i think we'll see at least one still champion come night of glory, at whichpoint theyll lose,not saying to a returning star (i can very easily seeThundermaking that step up to the number one face) but maybe a certain former number one face can make an appearance atthe biggest show of the year and have a say in the outcome after the forgotten screwed him at night of glory this year *cough* mentioning no names *cough*

Sorry, that promos a little short and rushed, I had the idea at half past, giving me 20 minutes to cash in on the Back to the Future day stuff.

A QOTD for when you all wake up:

Right now, who would you consider the top face and top heel of the company?

Answering my own question:

Top face:
So, obviously in the main event scene we have a newly turned Max Adamson and even a face version of Vincent Costello but I think the top face right now with the departure of Keith Leone and Gazzy D is Thunder. Thunder has had a brilliantly steady build since his showing in the elimination chamber and has slowly cemented himself as probably the biggest out and out face...where as Max and Vinnie could turn heel again pretty easily it would take a deed of pure evil to get Thunder across as a bad guy...his work with Max and the rest of the rebel alliance has further elevated him towards the main event and is showing him as a cool alternative to Gazzy.

Top Heel:
Now this one is much harder to answer...of course we have Mr Jones and The Forgotten with both Masters and Joshua BUT I still feel like someone will have to go a long way to take the spot that Costello has left...now I'm not saying Costello is 100% face or ever will be BUT if he's fighting against Jones then he's moving away being an out and out heel for the first time in his career. With Costello and Adamson playing roles that lean more towards face characteristics and The Forgotten not really having a stand out heel I feel a new person could come in and take the spot. Wishful thinking would love for it to be Wood now he's turned...his feud against Dicey has been a great way to kickstart it and if it carries on I can see his actions getting worse and worse.

Top face: Thunder, but there's potential for Adamson and Costello to become that guy. If we compare 6CW to Attitude Era WWF, I see Thunder as The Rock, not in style but in popularity as the good guy. But Adamson and Costello are more like Angle and Austin, character staying exactly the same even though they've swapped from heel to face and they could easily switch back seamlessly like Angle and Austin did. There's also a mention for Anthony Grace, although I have a feeling Joshua being Twist's character might stop Grace being the megastar he could be, purely down to everyone usually having one major character, with Joshua already 6CW Champion and one of the top heels it seems unlikely to be Twist v Twist in any main event IMO.

Top heel: Much easier this one, as big heels as Joshua and Masters are, and can be, the top heel is Mr Jones (although Kramer is nasty too). If I'm comparing 6CW to Attitude Era WWF then Jones is Mr McMahon but better.

I feel like Joshua and Masters almost cancel each other out...they're both great heels in their own way BUT neither is standing out from the other at the moment as the top heel...Jones is obviously a huge heel but not a wrestler and that's why I feel the top heel position is over.

My personal goal is to have Austin not as the top heel in the company (because I don't see him as world champion) but as the most hated heel...I want him to reach the levels he was getting to in 6WF.

Also the reason I didn't go for Grace as the top face is because he's the Cena style face. He's loved by casuals and kids but disliked by pure wrestling fans...Thunder right now I can see being Bryan over...he'd appeal to kids, casuals, pure wrestling fans and the emo girls who have just had their heart broken by Liam Wood's heel turn

Grace as a face against heels like Adamson and Costello is different to Grace as a face against the evil Forgotten though.

If this were real, I'd say Grace helping to take down The Forgotten would be the thing to get Grace over. You say like Cena, I see Grace more like Roman Reigns. Doing all the right things as a face but smarky crowds still giving him crap. Cena was booed for winning too much as an underdog, but Grace actually is an underdog in terms of size and lack of background.

My personal goal is to have Austin not as the top heel in the company (because I don't see him as world champion) but as the most hated heel...I want him to reach the levels he was getting to in 6WF.

The what do you want for Wood? you have 2 heels at the moment, one which just turned after a long turn but you want the other to be top heel? you have baffled me good sir

Top face: I still think it is the Red Arrows, they would be in my eyes the most over with the fans but might dip if this little feud with Max continues

Top Heel: As a collective its The Forgotten, there is no point picking one because at this moment they are all one