Marler to Face World Rugby Hearing

by Allty Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:00 am

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From BBC

http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/35887510

by Hammersmith harrier Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:30 pm

Ridiculous decision, the matter was handled in the correct way but now World Rugby is deciding to carry it on for no good reason.

by Comfort Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:31 pm

whats Knowsit said. entirely agree. clap

by bumble Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:32 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Ridiculous decision, the matter was handled in the correct way but now World Rugby is deciding to carry it on for no good reason.

Utter rubbish. Who were the panel that decided it then? This is only time in living memory that there were no named officials dealing with this case. How convenient. 6N and RFU have decided to sweep a racist abuse incident under the carpet. And the likes of you are in denial.

by Jimpy Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:32 pm

Here we go again, time for a select few luvvies to take offence on someone else's behalf.

This is a classic case of the tail wagging the dog. Wales lost to England in the 6N, that's what this is REALLY all about.

Get over it.

by LordDowlais Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:35 pm

Jimpy wrote:Wales lost to England in the 6N, that's what this is REALLY all about.

Seriously, you need to grow up.

by bumble Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:35 pm

Jimpy wrote:Here we go again, time for a select few luvvies to take offence on someone else's behalf.

This is a classic case of the tail wagging the dog. Wales lost to England in the 6N, that's what this is REALLY all about.

Get over it.

Are "World Rugby" Welsh then?

by Hammersmith harrier Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:37 pm

bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Ridiculous decision, the matter was handled in the correct way but now World Rugby is deciding to carry it on for no good reason.

Utter rubbish. Who were the panel that decided it then? This is only time in living memory that there were no named officials dealing with this case. How convenient. 6N and RFU have decided to sweep a racist abuse incident under the carpet. And the likes of you are in denial.

The likes of me?

It's the overtly offended who are the issue here, taking offence to something that is nothing to do with them but using it as a means to cause argument because they have nothing better to do.

by bumble Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:41 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Ridiculous decision, the matter was handled in the correct way but now World Rugby is deciding to carry it on for no good reason.

Utter rubbish. Who were the panel that decided it then? This is only time in living memory that there were no named officials dealing with this case. How convenient. 6N and RFU have decided to sweep a racist abuse incident under the carpet. And the likes of you are in denial.

The likes of me?

It's the overtly offended who are the issue here, taking offence to something that is nothing to do with them but using it as a means to cause argument because they have nothing better to do.

No. It's not. It's the people trying to sweep racist abuse under the carpet.

I was offended by the holocaust. I'm not Jewish.

by Knowsit17 Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:41 pm

Likewise Comfort, I was about to agree with yours. It's against the rules for good reason and 6N's categorically didn't exercise their mandate of discouraging this behaviour for future occasions.

by Jimpy Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:42 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Ridiculous decision, the matter was handled in the correct way but now World Rugby is deciding to carry it on for no good reason.

Utter rubbish. Who were the panel that decided it then? This is only time in living memory that there were no named officials dealing with this case. How convenient. 6N and RFU have decided to sweep a racist abuse incident under the carpet. And the likes of you are in denial.

The likes of me?

It's the overtly offended who are the issue here, taking offence to something that is nothing to do with them but using it as a means to cause argument because they have nothing better to do.

Don't forget the WUMing Trolls returning under new forum identities....

by **LondonTiger** Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:44 pm

bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Ridiculous decision, the matter was handled in the correct way but now World Rugby is deciding to carry it on for no good reason.

Utter rubbish. Who were the panel that decided it then? This is only time in living memory that there were no named officials dealing with this case. How convenient. 6N and RFU have decided to sweep a racist abuse incident under the carpet. And the likes of you are in denial.

The likes of me?

It's the overtly offended who are the issue here, taking offence to something that is nothing to do with them but using it as a means to cause argument because they have nothing better to do.

No. It's not. It's the people trying to sweep racist abuse under the carpet.

I was offended by the holocaust. I'm not Jewish.

yay, finally I can invoke Godwin's Law and request this thread be shut down as it has reached the end.

More seriously by effectively comparing Marler's actions with the holocaust you have gone to such absurd levels that the bigots who feel it is ok to racially abuse people feel justified.

by Jimpy Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:45 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Why is this still going on?

Surely this is just World Rugby Bowing to WRU pressure.

If the 6ns board considers that their is nothing to answer for, why this now?

And surely if Samson Lee ( belives the Gypsy boy statement by Joe Marler) was said as "BANTER" I just do not see why this is still going on.

There, fixed that for ya......

by wrfc1980 Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:45 pm

Its PC gone mad I'm still struggling to work out which word 'Gypsy' or 'boy' is offensive? The PC brigade cause far more problems than they solve by taking offense at all and sundry. It causes resentment in society. This faux outrage needs to end and people need to grow a pair. The worst of it is that the guy that Marler said it to is not offended in anyway and sees it as banter.

by Jimpy Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:47 pm

bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Ridiculous decision, the matter was handled in the correct way but now World Rugby is deciding to carry it on for no good reason.

Utter rubbish. Who were the panel that decided it then? This is only time in living memory that there were no named officials dealing with this case. How convenient. 6N and RFU have decided to sweep a racist abuse incident under the carpet. And the likes of you are in denial.

The likes of me?

It's the overtly offended who are the issue here, taking offence to something that is nothing to do with them but using it as a means to cause argument because they have nothing better to do.

No. It's not. It's the people trying to sweep racist abuse under the carpet.

I was offended by the holocaust. I'm not Jewish.

WUM Troll exposed for what he is.

by Knowsit17 Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:47 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Ridiculous decision, the matter was handled in the correct way but now World Rugby is deciding to carry it on for no good reason.

Utter rubbish. Who were the panel that decided it then? This is only time in living memory that there were no named officials dealing with this case. How convenient. 6N and RFU have decided to sweep a racist abuse incident under the carpet. And the likes of you are in denial.

The likes of me?

It's the overtly offended who are the issue here, taking offence to something that is nothing to do with them but using it as a means to cause argument because they have nothing better to do.

You're entitled to your opinion but I think that's way off. I myself don't have any personal or emotional investment in this debate. Nor am I trying to take offence on Lee's behalf. I'm simply arguing for how I want to see the sport run and I'd rather controversies such as this be discouraged. A way of discouraging is taking action. Action that shows there is no place in the sport for the behaviour concerned. The 6N's failed in this regard.

by Jimpy Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:48 pm

wrfc1980 wrote:Its PC gone mad I'm still struggling to work out which word 'Gypsy' or 'boy' is offensive? The PC brigade cause far more problems than they solve by taking offense at all and sundry. It causes resentment in society. This faux outrage needs to end and people need to grow a pair. The worst of it is that the guy that Marler said it to is not offended in anyway and sees it as banter.

Plus, he is a Gypsy.

by bumble Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:49 pm

Sad to see racism condoned in this thread. Really sad.

by **LondonTiger** Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:50 pm

wrfc1980 wrote:Its PC gone mad I'm still struggling to work out which word 'Gypsy' or 'boy' is offensive? The PC brigade cause far more problems than they solve by taking offense at all and sundry. It causes resentment in society. This faux outrage needs to end and people need to grow a pair. The worst of it is that the guy that Marler said it to is not offended in anyway and sees it as banter.

You may need to rewatch the game and see how he reacted at the time. Lee was most definitely offended and angered. Marler knew what he had done was wrong thus the half time apology - whether that should have been the end of the matter is open for debate. Frankly 6Ns did handle it badly, and as stated earlier Marler should have been given a commissioners citing - so a rap over the knuckles.

by Hammersmith harrier Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:50 pm

bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Ridiculous decision, the matter was handled in the correct way but now World Rugby is deciding to carry it on for no good reason.

Utter rubbish. Who were the panel that decided it then? This is only time in living memory that there were no named officials dealing with this case. How convenient. 6N and RFU have decided to sweep a racist abuse incident under the carpet. And the likes of you are in denial.

The likes of me?

It's the overtly offended who are the issue here, taking offence to something that is nothing to do with them but using it as a means to cause argument because they have nothing better to do.

No. It's not. It's the people trying to sweep racist abuse under the carpet.

I was offended by the holocaust. I'm not Jewish.

Are you or do you know anyone from the travelling community? I do and can categorically say that they are not offended by this, the only person who can or should take offence is Samson Lee and he did not.

Your final comment sums up your idiocy really.

by bumble Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:53 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
bumble wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Ridiculous decision, the matter was handled in the correct way but now World Rugby is deciding to carry it on for no good reason.

Utter rubbish. Who were the panel that decided it then? This is only time in living memory that there were no named officials dealing with this case. How convenient. 6N and RFU have decided to sweep a racist abuse incident under the carpet. And the likes of you are in denial.

The likes of me?

It's the overtly offended who are the issue here, taking offence to something that is nothing to do with them but using it as a means to cause argument because they have nothing better to do.

No. It's not. It's the people trying to sweep racist abuse under the carpet.

I was offended by the holocaust. I'm not Jewish.

Are you or do you know anyone from the travelling community? I do and can categorically say that they are not offended by this, the only person who can or should take offence is Samson Lee and he did not.

Your final comment sums up your idiocy really.

Of course he took offence.

Not that it is relevant in anyway shape or form of course.

by **LondonTiger** Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:54 pm

I direct Hammersmith to my previous post as he also believes Lee was not offended.

by bumble Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:55 pm

Guardian: "World Rugby acted because if the proper process had not been gone through, it had the power to order the Six Nations to make a full independent inquiry as the tournament organiser responsible for upholding the regulations of the game. In the event of a refusal by the Six Nations, it could convene its own hearing, which it has done with a date set to be fixed next week."

So did 6N refuse to conduct it's own hearing?

by **LondonTiger** Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:57 pm

Samson Lee was offended and angered by Marler's abuse. However he realised that Marler was making a genuine apology and showing real remorse.

The question is not whether offence was caused, nor whether it is against the laws of the game - it was and it is.

The question is whether an apology should be the end of the matter. This discussion then brings in the loons from both sides, as we see on this thread.

by wrfc1980 Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:58 pm

The guardian writers are a bunch of wishy washy lefty's with no backbone. A terrible source to turn to.

by **LondonTiger** Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:01 am

Sounds like the argument of a Daily Mail reader.

by **Notch** Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:02 am

LondonTiger wrote:The question is whether an apology should be the end of the matter. This discussion then brings in the loons from both sides, as we see on this thread.

What I don't understand is how people can accept that apologising and having an apology accepted for a punch or a kick or whatever doesn't mean the person still shouldn't face the music. We even all accept that a sincerely given and accepted apology for an incident that was completely accidental such as a tip-tackle that went beyond the horizontal or a collision in the air doesn't absolve anyone.

It's weird to see the double standards at play.

by Duty281 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:03 am

It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

by bumble Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:05 am

Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

by Cardiff Dave Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:07 am

LondonTiger wrote:
wrfc1980 wrote:Its PC gone mad I'm still struggling to work out which word 'Gypsy' or 'boy' is offensive? The PC brigade cause far more problems than they solve by taking offense at all and sundry. It causes resentment in society. This faux outrage needs to end and people need to grow a pair. The worst of it is that the guy that Marler said it to is not offended in anyway and sees it as banter.

You may need to rewatch the game and see how he reacted at the time. Lee was most definitely offended and angered. Marler knew what he had done was wrong thus the half time apology - whether that should have been the end of the matter is open for debate. Frankly 6Ns did handle it badly, and as stated earlier Marler should have been given a commissioners citing - so a rap over the knuckles.

With a wooden 12" rule? Ah that takes me back. Not allowed anymore unfortunately.

by Duty281 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:08 am

bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

by bumble Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:11 am

Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

Lost for words.

by Knowsit17 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:11 am

LondonTiger wrote:Samson Lee was offended and angered by Marler's abuse. However he realised that Marler was making a genuine apology and showing real remorse.

The question is not whether offence was caused, nor whether it is against the laws of the game - it was and it is.

The question is whether an apology should be the end of the matter. This discussion then brings in the loons from both sides, as we see on this thread.

Well said LT and well done for having the flexibility to admit when a player you support is in the wrong. That's become an exceptionally rare quality judging by this article and others before it.

by Duty281 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:13 am

bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

Lost for words.

Well pop back when you're able to debate, there's a good chap. thumbsup

by bumble Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:14 am

Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

Lost for words.

Well pop back when you're able to debate, there's a good chap.

I'll pass if that's ok.

by Knowsit17 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:16 am

Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

Lost for words.

Well pop back when you're able to debate, there's a good chap.

Nice, mature argument. You're setting a great example.

by Duty281 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:16 am

bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

Lost for words.

Well pop back when you're able to debate, there's a good chap.

I'll pass if that's ok.

As you wish. I am deeply sorry that you seem to hold contempt for opinions that differ to your own.

by Duty281 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:17 am

Knowsit17 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

Lost for words.

Well pop back when you're able to debate, there's a good chap.

Nice, mature argument. You're setting a great example.

I'm not here to set any form of example. I'm here to give my opinion.

by Knowsit17 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:18 am

And what a sublime way of expressing said opinion.

by wrfc1980 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:19 am

Wheres the call Lee's fellow welsh player to be banned etc etc who called him a gypsy and hinted that he had a 'bad smell' when first coming into the squad?

by GunsGerms Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:20 am

Duty281 wrote:
Knowsit17 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

Lost for words.

Well pop back when you're able to debate, there's a good chap.

Nice, mature argument. You're setting a great example.

I'm not here to set any form of example. I'm here to give my opinion.

Sounds like you might be a little bit racist. Each to their own.

by Duty281 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:21 am

Knowsit17 wrote:And what a sublime way of expressing said opinion.

It was, wasn't it? Two lines, concise, neatly put.

by wrfc1980 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:22 am

Is Rob Evans going to be hauled in front of the rugby committee to for this remark about his team mate? http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-prop-rob-evans-jokes-11005553

by Duty281 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:22 am

GunsGerms wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Knowsit17 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

Lost for words.

Well pop back when you're able to debate, there's a good chap.

Nice, mature argument. You're setting a great example.

I'm not here to set any form of example. I'm here to give my opinion.

Sounds like you might be a little bit racist. Each to their own.

There's no such thing as 'race'.

by Fanster Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:23 am

Not surprising that this incident isn't over...

Firstly I think those overtly offended have a bit of an agenda, of course, and some comments here will of course be extreme and childish.

Secondly, not many people are considering the context of the incident, which is why I had an issue initially.

Marler isn't a child on the street talking to his friends, he isn't even in a bar with Lee and other rugby pro's, and he certainly isn't playing national division 7a regional weast (where we've all heard much worse), he is a fully professional athlete, competing in front of 80k, and viewed by millions, he's a role model, and thus chilrdren aspire to be him. This name calling is inappropriate at best, and for that I expected a short ban originally.

Just as an aside, as a Welsh fan who currently coaches in Scotland I have been called 'gypsy boy' one 3 occasions since, twice by juniors who had to be reprimanded by myself, and once by a parent in a joking sense, I took no offence whatsoever, and found it funny, but if parents aren't mature enough to not do it in front of children, how can children not be expected to repeat everything pro players say?

by GunsGerms Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:26 am

Comfort wrote:the difference between 'welsh boy' and 'gypsy boy' is thus:

Wales is a country, of which numerous races of people can call home and be welsh. (e.g. there are white welsh people, black welsh people, gypsy welsh people, muslim welsh people, see where im going with this...?)

Gypsys are a race of people, they dont have a country/territory, so you can be a gypsy and still be welsh. Racisim and xenophobia are different things entirely, that concept shouldnt be hard to comprehend.

Unfortunately this situation wasnt handled correctly at the first time of asking (as per the laws of the game/the law in general, any racial slurs are illegal in the UK and in the laws of rugby), hence it has been reviewed by World Rugby. The level of offence the insult causes has no relevance to it being against the rules of the game.

I understand Samson Lee doesnt want it to be a big deal, Gatland even came out on his behalf to try and play it down, it doesnt matter though as Marler broke the rules of the game, thus the incident needs to be looked at again. Personally i think its a mess, but one that needs to be dealt with so we can all close the lid on it and move on with a precedant set.

No racism as defined by law includes discrimination against someone based on where they are from too. Their nationality, culture etc. Jeremy Clarkson can attest to this.

by GunsGerms Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:26 am

Duty281 wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Knowsit17 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

Lost for words.

Well pop back when you're able to debate, there's a good chap.

Nice, mature argument. You're setting a great example.

I'm not here to set any form of example. I'm here to give my opinion.

Sounds like you might be a little bit racist. Each to their own.

There's no such thing as 'race'.

Evidently fairly ignorant too.

by Duty281 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:29 am

GunsGerms wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Knowsit17 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
bumble wrote:
Duty281 wrote:It's just name-calling, grow the hell up.

And Samson Lee was not offended, he chose to be offended.

Is this a real opinion? I think I must be dreaming. There is no way that's a serious post.

Yep, a real opinion. Name-calling is for children, and the only people bothered by it are children.

Lost for words.

Well pop back when you're able to debate, there's a good chap.

Nice, mature argument. You're setting a great example.

I'm not here to set any form of example. I'm here to give my opinion.

Sounds like you might be a little bit racist. Each to their own.

There's no such thing as 'race'.

Evidently fairly ignorant too.

OK, define 'race' for me. What makes 'races' of people different from each other?

by GunsGerms Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:31 am

I think you need to educate yourself as to exactly what constitutes racism in the country you live in rather than making a fool of yourself online. Your definition or my definition of race is completely irrelevant.

by No9 Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:33 am

This should not be overlooked... heat of the game, maybe. Applogised, credit due, but should never have said it, as an International, he's a figurehead and needs to act to the highest level of professionalism always...

So, best outcome, as I see it is..

1. Marler to get 12 month ban. Ban needs to reflect seriousness and he should miss the 6 Nations, ie 12 month ban (miss next year).

2. Eddie Jones should be punished for his lack of discipline and not dealing with this in the appropriate manner. He should serve a 6 month ban, hence, not be available to take England on summer tour. Plus, his knighthood should be put back on the back burner.

3. RFU, should be punished for letting this get out of hand... Most suitable punishment is deduct 5 points (1 try) from the game the offence took place in.... End result would thus be Eng 20 - 21 Wal. This would also compensate WRU for the severe upset they have experienced during this horrible matter, by removing Englands Grand Slam and awarding Wales as 2016 6 Nations Champions.

I think the above will resolve the matter and put it to bed for good...

...:

by Hoonercat Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:35 am

GunsGerms wrote:
Comfort wrote:the difference between 'welsh boy' and 'gypsy boy' is thus:

Wales is a country, of which numerous races of people can call home and be welsh. (e.g. there are white welsh people, black welsh people, gypsy welsh people, muslim welsh people, see where im going with this...?)

Gypsys are a race of people, they dont have a country/territory, so you can be a gypsy and still be welsh. Racisim and xenophobia are different things entirely, that concept shouldnt be hard to comprehend.

Unfortunately this situation wasnt handled correctly at the first time of asking (as per the laws of the game/the law in general, any racial slurs are illegal in the UK and in the laws of rugby), hence it has been reviewed by World Rugby. The level of offence the insult causes has no relevance to it being against the rules of the game.

I understand Samson Lee doesnt want it to be a big deal, Gatland even came out on his behalf to try and play it down, it doesnt matter though as Marler broke the rules of the game, thus the incident needs to be looked at again. Personally i think its a mess, but one that needs to be dealt with so we can all close the lid on it and move on with a precedant set.

No racism as defined by law includes discrimination against someone based on where they are from too. Their nationality, culture etc. Jeremy Clarkson can attest to this.

Very true, yet the chances of a similar media frenzy for being called Welsh/Scottish/English boy are pretty much non existent. Is this because the PC Brigade see gypsies as a lesser race? Why do they feel it is more derogatory to be called gypsy boy than Welsh, Scottish or English boy?

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