Chiefs v Wales, 14 June

by **George Carlin** Sun 12 Jun 2016, 7:56 pm

GALLAGHER CHIEFS v WALES
14 June 2016
18:35 NZST (UTC+12) / 07:35 BST
FMG Stadium Waikato, Hamilton

Live commentary on the BBC Wales Sport website, BBC Radio Cymru & BBC Sport app.

Referee: [tbc]
Touch judges: [tbc]
Television match official: [tbc]

Teams:

GALLAGHER CHIEFS

01. Mitchell Graham
02. Rhys Marshall
03. Hiroshi Yamashita
04. Dominic Bird
05. Michael Allardice
06. Mitchell Brown
07. Lachlan Boshier
08. Tom Sanders

09. Brad Weber
10. Stephen Donald Captain
11. Sam Vaka
12. Andrew Horrell
13. Anton Lienert-Brown
14. Toni Pulu
15. James Lowe

16. Hika Elliot
17. Siegfried Fisi’ihoi
18. Atu Moli
19. Taleni Seu
20. Tevita Koloamatangi
21. Kayne Hammington
22. Sam McNicol
23. Latu Vaeno

Not considered for selection:

- Nepo Laulala, Mitchell Karpik, Johan Bardoul, Pauliasi Manu, Sam Henwood, Glen Fisiiahi, Chase Tiatia, Michael Leitch, Maama Vaipulu, James Tucker, Augustine Pulu (All Blacks Sevens) and Shaun Stevenson (New Zealand U20s).

- Charlie Ngatai, Brodie Rettalick, Sam Cane, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Seta Tamanivalu, Nathan Harris, Aaron Cruden and Damian McKenzie (All Blacks)

WALES

01 Rob Evans
02 Scott Baldwin
03 Tomas Francis
04 Jake Ball
05 Luke Charteris
06 Josh Turnbull
07 Ellis Jenkins
08 James King

15 Matthew Morgan
14 Eli Walker
13 Tyler Morgan
12 Scott Williams
11 Tom James
10 Rhys Priestland
09 Gareth Davies

16 Kristian Dacey
17 Aaron Jarvis
18 Rhodri Jones
19 Bradley Davies
20 Ross Moriarty
21 Aled Davies
22 Gareth Anscombe
23 Rhys Patchell.

by Scarpia Sun 12 Jun 2016, 8:23 pm

Madness! This will ensure the All Blacks win the 2nd test - like they need any help. Whoever agreed to this itinerary is an idiot.

by Not grey and not a ghost Mon 13 Jun 2016, 2:43 am

I expect Wales to win. I'm not convinced the Chiefs will be super competitive. This is an under strength Chiefs team that is comprised of professionals and semiprofessionals. I think there something like 20 players unavailable through injury, sevens, international duty etc. Players not involved in super XV have been limited to a couple of months of amateur club rugby and combinations wont be there.

by bedfordwelsh Mon 13 Jun 2016, 6:37 am

I do think this game would have been the perfect game to give Anscombe a start, preferably at 10 but at least at XV.

I know Priestland is like marmite but I do like the look of our backline and if we can get a platform think we can let rip and play some decent rugby. With North now ruled out it's a huge chance for James or Walker to stake a test claim.

The backrow worries as I am still not convinced by King but we do need to have a look at other options outside of Faletau and Turnbull meh just not sure about it at all.

As for the front row cover on the bench then god help. We have a L/Head who has been converted to T/head now being asked to cover L/Head again and we have a T/Head who is only just above Scott Andrews in the pecking order (what have Clermont seen in Jarvis)? Then we have Dacey covering hooker.

by aucklandlaurie Mon 13 Jun 2016, 9:02 am

I think we can also say Liam Messam and Sonny Bill werent available for selection.

Cant see this team staying within 40 points of Wales. both Gatty and Rennie will use this opportunity for squad/combinations development.

Stephen Donald to captain the side has played 35 minjutes of Rugby this ywar for the Chiefs. I do find that mid field of Hurrell and Lienert Brown are always worth a watch.

by mikey_dragon Mon 13 Jun 2016, 10:50 am

Whoever thinks this Wales team will do well is mad, it's a very scratch team. If they come off 2nd best in the collisions then they'll get thrashed.

BF I'm with you on Anscombe but I think he is likely to start at 15 for Wales, with Liam Williams moving to the wing.

by mikey_dragon Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:25 am

So for the sake of research purposes, does anyone have a stream for this? Inbox me so that I may look into it.... Thanks.

by mikey_dragon Tue 14 Jun 2016, 7:47 am

First blood to Chiefs because of Turnbull and his slow, lazy attitude. Why he's still a pro player I don't know.

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:23 am

Slow, ponderous, second rate players, blown away. Lucky to be only 19 points down after 38 minutes. Anyone still think Wales have any depth? Pathetic.

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:30 am

21:nil
All the Chiefs are doing is playing simple heads up rugby with pace, aggression and skill. Making Wales look awful. What an embarrassing 40 mins of rugby.

by whocares Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:39 am

Is it the stephen Donald that played for bath?

by Guest Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:41 am

I suspected we might take a beating. When has our 2nd string team ever been good? And against a club side that is used to playing together, and a NZ club side at that... Recipe for disaster.

by carpet baboon Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:41 am

Is it as bad as it seems?

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:42 am

whocares wrote:Is it the stephen Donald that played for bath?

Yes. Think he played in the 2011 WC final when all the other 10's were crocked.

by bedfordwelsh Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:43 am

Utterly and totally embarrassing.

Being taught a lesson here by a side shorn of ABs and injured players. We cant take our chances, cant tackle, cant win line out.

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:44 am

carpet baboon wrote:Is it as bad as it seems?

So far yes. Failed to convert quite a few chances and soooooooo slow. Chiefs have been very good.

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:46 am

We are getting tackled behind the gain line every time!!

by bedfordwelsh Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:50 am

offload wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Is it as bad as it seems?

So far yes. Failed to convert quite a few chances and soooooooo slow. Chiefs have been very good.

Worse than that.

by glamorganalun Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:50 am

Wales, ponderous, T James is so poor at this level and T Morgan being stepped by a second row. S Williams trying to cover for the non tacklers around him.Falatau seems to have improved Wales going forward.

Chjefs seem offside most of the time and diving over the tackler.

by **RDW** Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:51 am

Sounds like this is the last game Wales needed on a 3 test tour at the end of a World Cup season.

Especially now that first team players have had to play.

by mikey_dragon Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:52 am

It's bad in that some individuals for Wales are shocking. The result is largely in part due to Chiefs 16th man - I say that on the back of some fresh cheating at the maul by Chiefs, the ref of course happy to award Chiefs the penalty. They push early at the scrum all night, before going backwards and down when the ball is in, yet when Wales push early once it's a penalty straight away.

god help the Lions coach who will be dealing with this every week.

*meat to post this 5 mins ago

by bedfordwelsh Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:53 am

Line out poor

James poor Walker poor T Morgan poor.

King poor Turnbull is he even playing?

M Morgan least trying to do something

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:55 am

glamorganalun wrote:Wales, ponderous, T James is so poor at this level and T Morgan being stepped by a second row. S Williams trying to cover for the non tacklers around him.Falatau seems to have improved Wales going forward.

Chjefs seem offside most of the time and diving over the tackler.

The ref is letting a lot go, but Wales can have zero complaints about the ref. They have been useless. The basic skill level is shocking.

by Guest Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:55 am

Club sides often have it good against international sides. There's something about them being together for years, knowing the ins and outs of each other, etc. Then throw in a scratch 2nd string international side and this is what you get! Although I appreciate that there's a number of Chiefs absentees too.

Just look at Welsh club success over the years against NZ - Llanelli, Swansea, Newport - all managing a win when Wales couldn't! Ospreys beating Oz recently (I think), Munster pushing NZ very close (or did they win???), etc. If memory serves The Lions struggled vs some Super Rugby sides in NZ in 2005, and that was with the cream of UK and Ireland rugby.

Not making excuses here, just pointing out that anyone who thinks this should be a win for Wales because its international players vs club players is not thinking straight. We have to remember that an international player is only an international player because one man (or a selection team) says so and gives them a cap! Doesn't mean they're better than club players from a different country. Especially when the player pools to pick from are of such differing levels of quality. This game should make that clear.

by Guest Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:57 am

Gats doing himself out of the Lions role??? If so, good!

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 8:59 am

Grif,
I get your point about Club v International second strings, but this game is not a well fought narrow win for the underdog. Wales are absolutely shoite !!!

by whocares Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:01 am

Am sorry but there is no excuse to lose against a depleted SXV team who hasn't started their season. Even when we last toured NZ when got spanked by the ABs 3 times we managed to have to win the midweek game against the Blues. Sorry to state the obvious but the team Wales lost is miles away from the Waikato Chiefs you get to see in the finals.

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:02 am

Crazy that a number of our first choice players are having to come on for this game before another test on the weekend. Got to wonder who thought this was a good idea.

by bedfordwelsh Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:03 am

Griff wrote:Gats doing himself out of the Lions role??? If so, good!

hope so

by glamorganalun Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:03 am

Griff wrote:Club sides often have it good against international sides. There's something about them being together for years, knowing the ins and outs of each other, etc. Then throw in a scratch 2nd string international side and this is what you get! Although I appreciate that there's a number of Chiefs absentees too.

Just look at Welsh club success over the years against NZ - Llanelli, Swansea, Newport - all managing a win when Wales couldn't! Ospreys beating Oz recently (I think), Munster pushing NZ very close (or did they win???), etc. If memory serves The Lions struggled vs some Super Rugby sides in NZ in 2005, and that was with the cream of UK and Ireland rugby.

Not making excuses here, just pointing out that anyone who thinks this should be a win for Wales because its international players vs club players is not thinking straight. We have to remember that an international player is only an international player because one man (or a selection team) says so and gives them a cap! Doesn't mean they're better than club players from a different country. Especially when the player pools to pick from are of such differing levels of quality. This game should make that clear.

Agreed, subs making a difference but these players are needed for the weekend.

by glamorganalun Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:05 am

Ref finally picking up the on the floor turn overs.

by bedfordwelsh Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:07 am

Well none have put hand up for test selection

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:18 am

The scoreline actually flatters Wales.

by bedfordwelsh Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:22 am

Absolutely disgraceful.

I am sure he will but how the feck Gatland can try and take any positives from this will be beyond me.

by mikey_dragon Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:25 am

whocares wrote:Am sorry but there is no excuse to lose against a depleted SXV team who hasn't started their season. Even when we last toured NZ when got spanked by the ABs 3 times we managed to have to win the midweek game against the Blues. Sorry to state the obvious but the team Wales lost is miles away from the Waikato Chiefs you get to see in the finals.

You're right and to be fair Chiefs have been outstanding - I've never seen players so committed to their jersey. Well done on your win over the Blues btw, that must have been the key to France finishing above 5th in the 6N.

by mikey_dragon Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:27 am

OH come on, just embarrassing now. Chiefs are just great though.

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:28 am

That's the first time I've smiled this morning. A shot of Gatland next to an "Emergency Evacuation" sign. Priceless. Six tries to one.

by propdavid_london Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:29 am

FT 40-7.....

by mikey_dragon Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:33 am

offload wrote:The scoreline actually flatters Wales.

Not really as they did a lot of cheating under the ref's nose on their own try line in the first half. Playing like that they still would have won, but this is just another ignorant statement from you Rolling Eyes

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by glamorganalun Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:34 am

Preistland was so deep and offered no threat should have moved him to FB and given Pratchell or Morgan a go.

Overall rubbish performance

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:36 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
offload wrote:The scoreline actually flatters Wales.

Not really as they did a lot of cheating under the ref's nose on their own try line in the first half. Playing like that they still would have won, but this is just another ignorant statement from you .

Away and boil your head - you're as clueless as the Welsh coaching team.

by mikey_dragon Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:39 am

offload wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
offload wrote:The scoreline actually flatters Wales.

Not really as they did a lot of cheating under the ref's nose on their own try line in the first half. Playing like that they still would have won, but this is just another ignorant statement from you .

Away and boil your head - you're as clueless as the Welsh coaching team.

A bit rich when reading all your recent comments. Give over and stop crying like a baby when people call you out for blatantly ignorant statements.

by aucklandlaurie Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:40 am

Excellant defence by the chiefs in the second half.

But did anyone else think that the game was slow?

by David-Douglas Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:41 am

Surely that's Game Over for Gatland?

No one can seriously consider him to coach the Lions after this.

by bluestonevedder Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:42 am

How did the Wales starters get on- Warburton, Davies, Baldwin?

by mikey_dragon Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:44 am

glamorganalun wrote:Preistland was so deep and offered no threat should have moved him to FB and given Pratchell or Morgan a go.

Overall rubbish performance

What I don't get is when people say "RP plays so close to the gain line" as if it's a good thing. Chiefs telegraphed his passing and runners all game. His attempted half-breaks through a gap when it finally becomes obvious he's been worked out are like watching a snail try to cross the road.

All-in-all rubbish performance yes, and also goes to show how good NZ rugby is. A scratch Chiefs team comes together and plays like they have been playing together for years - have to give credit to their coaches too.

by aucklandlaurie Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:45 am

Warburton was solid, remember he wasnt expecting to play. but the Welsh players that injected energy were Roberts and Faletau when they came on in the second half.

by Hazel Sapling Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:46 am

Well that was not what I expected to find coming into work! I get that Wales have not had long together but the Chiefs are missing 8 regular starters and however many squad players. That extra game against England probably did not help. If they were after a warm-up, they should have played a Georgia or a Romania side with a weakened side.

by offload Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:52 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
offload wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
offload wrote:The scoreline actually flatters Wales.

Not really as they did a lot of cheating under the ref's nose on their own try line in the first half. Playing like that they still would have won, but this is just another ignorant statement from you .

Away and boil your head - you're as clueless as the Welsh coaching team.

A bit rich when reading all your recent comments. Give over and stop crying like a baby when people call you out for blatantly ignorant statements.

Rich? Really? Coming from you - well known as the most embarrassing Welsh fan on the forum?
Laughable.

by **RDW** Tue 14 Jun 2016, 10:00 am

offload wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
offload wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
offload wrote:The scoreline actually flatters Wales.

Not really as they did a lot of cheating under the ref's nose on their own try line in the first half. Playing like that they still would have won, but this is just another ignorant statement from you .

Away and boil your head - you're as clueless as the Welsh coaching team.

A bit rich when reading all your recent comments. Give over and stop crying like a baby when people call you out for blatantly ignorant statements.

Rich? Really? Coming from you - well known as the most embarrassing Welsh fan on the forum?
Laughable.

Can you two move on and ignore each other? Please foe each other if you don't get along.

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