Wales v Japan 19/11/16

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WALES v JAPAN
19 November 2016
KO: 14:30
Principality Stadium, Cardiff

Referee: Marius van der Westhuizen (South Africa)
Assistant referees: John Lacey (Ireland), Craig Maxwell-Keys (England)
Television match official: Eric Gauzins (France)
Assessor: Bryce Lawrence (New Zealand)

Wales played 9 Won 8 Lost 1

Wales: Liam Williams; Halfpenny J Davies, Roberts, Cuthbert; Anscombe, Lloyd Williams; Smith, Baldwin, Lee, Hill, Alun Wyn Jones, Lydiate, Warburton (capt), King.

Replacements: Dacey, Gill, Andrews, Ball, Moriarty, G Davies, S Davies, Giles.

Japan: Matsushima, Yamada, Lafaele, Tatekawa, Fukuoka, Tamura, Tanaka; Nakatani, Horie, Hatakeyama, Kajikawa, Anise, Ilaua, Nunomaki, Mafi

Replacements: Hino, Yamamoto, Ito, Helu, Matsuhashi, Mimura, Uchida, Lotoahea

This is a potential banana skin game for us, IMO we cannot treat Japan with contempt and select a completely different team from last weekend, we should try to bed in a couple of alternatives to our first choices in crucial positions.

mckay1402 wrote:I thought king had a decent half.  he's not moriarty but he's put a bit of pace on the ball and got going forward

but what we need is a wrecking ball to attack around the breakdown not warming the bench

forced to take points v an average japan….c'mon Japan!!!!!!!

Italy are 20 - 18 up against SA with 10 to go.

Wales v SA could be a drunk hobo fight

Gwlad wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:I thought king had a decent half.  he's not moriarty but he's put a bit of pace on the ball and got going forward

but what we need is a wrecking ball to attack around the breakdown not warming the bench

Agree. he has made some ground attacking off a dominant scrum, but nothing much else. Baldwin is making more ground

Crepe box kicking

this reminds me of Gareth Jenkins Wales

mckay1402 wrote:this reminds me of Gareth Jenkins Wales

yeah i'd agree, witless, naive and with no intensity.

AWJ saves us all! He's our deadliest back

We've seen this before, we see it every year, and it's always against a team like Tonga, Fiji and now Japan it seems!

Oh dear, Gareth Davies has not had a good few minutes off the bench

Oh dear.

That try proves the problem

They go route 1 and attack the breakdown channel straight after half time. Shows they can't see what is in front of them and need the coaches to point it out. Why aren't Sam or Lydiate or AWJ pouting this out?

uncle_nigel wrote:We've seen this before, we see it every year, and it's always against a team like Tonga, Fiji and now Japan it seems!

Those teams don't generally have this much experience though

Frak unbelievable

Looks like Italy are about to beat South Africa

God were garbage...

Subs please

We're just played out, we've played the same way for so long we no longer know how to play whats in front of us.

I really want Japan to win now so that Howley has to go.

20-18 win for italy over south africa, cool

wales606 wrote:

uncle_nigel wrote:We've seen this before, we see it every year, and it's always against a team like Tonga, Fiji and now Japan it seems!

Those teams don't generally have this much experience though

I believe a Griff posted a team line-up earlier, it was a very experienced one as far as I could tell. I remember seeing a fairly good team against Tonga this one time, and also against Samoa though this one was quite a few years back. I am not quite sure what the issue is but it's happening every year now. I have to admit that SH ref's don't help because they will not rightly reward set-piece dominance.

Shifty wrote:20-18 win for italy over south africa, cool

Wow, great result for Italy! But as Wales are this bad and SA are hurting, I can only see one result in our next fixture - especially with this coaching staff. This year we might be the only team in the top 10 with a worse coach than SA.

Gwlad wrote:We're just played out, we've played the same way for so long we no longer know how to play whats in front of us.

I really want Japan to win now so that Howley has to go.

Losing 5 games in a row and playing unattractive rubgy wasn't enough to get Howley fired before. Neither was overseeing the first ever loss to Japan enough for them to show McBryde the door. It's very depressing and I see now why fans don't want to pay to go and watch Wales in a live game.

With Ireland and England home, and Scotland, Italy and France away, you'd have to say Wales are on for bottom place in the Six nations. We'll be lucky to avoid the whitewash based on the poor efforts of our players. It's like time warping back to the 90's.

if I was howler I'd drop the lot and play the under 20s against south Africa

uncle_nigel wrote:

Gwlad wrote:We're just played out, we've played the same way for so long we no longer know how to play whats in front of us.

I really want Japan to win now so that Howley has to go.

Losing 5 games in a row and playing unattractive rubgy wasn't enough to get Howley fired before. Neither was overseeing the first ever loss to Japan enough for them to show McBryde the door. It's very depressing and I see now why fans don't want to pay to go and watch Wales in a live game.

In fairness to McBryde, that was a Welsh team while 10 were away with the Lions and another 10 were rested or injured.

mckay1402 wrote:if I was howler I'd drop the lot and play the under 20s against south Africa

If i was howler i'd quit

diabolical. our players look as though they have no idea what to do

wales606 wrote:

uncle_nigel wrote:

Gwlad wrote:We're just played out, we've played the same way for so long we no longer know how to play whats in front of us.

I really want Japan to win now so that Howley has to go.

Losing 5 games in a row and playing unattractive rubgy wasn't enough to get Howley fired before. Neither was overseeing the first ever loss to Japan enough for them to show McBryde the door. It's very depressing and I see now why fans don't want to pay to go and watch Wales in a live game.

In fairness to McBryde, that was a Welsh team while 10 were away with the Lions and another 10 were rested or injured.

From what I remember Wales606, McBryde selected the team and opted to leave some experienced players at home when they were really needed. He opted for Welsh premiership players instead so for me, there is no in fairness to McBryde. A lot of seasons we've had a wobbly set piece and I can't quite figure why he was hired in the first place.

In the mean team England are trouncing Fiji and scoring lots of tries.

wales606 wrote:In fairness to McBryde, that was a Welsh team while 10 were away with the Lions and another 10 were rested or injured.

In fairness nothing... Mcbryde left the second team at home and took the third team. He left so many players behind like Ryan, Duncan Jones, Henson, etc and took a load of kids and new caps, many of which had no chance of ever establishing themselves as internationals.

Hell Spratt was 27 and getting his first cap and he was a reserve who barely played for the Ospreys. While they took and capped a 17 year old winger from Neath! Wales gave away cheap caps to undeserving players.

they've deserved this

Why the hell do we just keep kicking the ball long and giving it right back to them. Whats the point?
Anyone would think the damn ball was on fire the way we seem to want the Japanease to have it.

Disgusting

Wales aren't trying to win. they're trying not to lose

Dire.

Sack Howley, McBride and Edwards

Drop Cuthbert

Drop anyone whose form drops so badly.

Bring in some new blood.

Rebuild. This team can't adapt, so get a new one.

i dont know whether to laugh or cry

How did Cuthbert lose that!

Cuthbert looks mentally drained.

Cuthbert is such a fúcking numpty I'm totally lost for words...

Munchkin wrote:How did Cuthbert lose that!

That's how

What's the score lads?

when an animal is dying it needs to be put down.

As my old man used to say "Cuthbert has hands like pi$$ flaps"

so incredibly slow moving the ball from the ruck

rumpelstiltskindoh wrote:so incredibly slow moving the ball from the ruck

That'll be Lloyd Williams then?

Wales win by the skin of their teeth.

Maybe this was all just drop goal practise?

Sam Davies saves the day.

Keep Gatland. Bring in new coaches under him.

that was a fiasco

Very glad I've missed today's match by the way, I come on here to receive updates. I've decided not to watch it when I get home. I will watch and most likely enjoy Ireland beating up New Zealand again.

uncle_nigel wrote:

rumpelstiltskindoh wrote:so incredibly slow moving the ball from the ruck

That'll be Lloyd Williams then?

Doubt it unless he has managed it from the bench?

uncle_nigel wrote:

rumpelstiltskindoh wrote:so incredibly slow moving the ball from the ruck

That'll be Lloyd Williams then?

amazingly - no. gareth davies apparently is being coached to play like Lloyd