6N 2017: Scotland v Ireland, 4 February

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SCOTLAND v IRELAND 
4 February 2017
KO: 14:25
BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Touch judges: Jaco Peyper (South Africa) and Nick Briant (New Zealand)
TMO: Glenn Newman (New Zealand

Live on BBC, RTE, DMAX, FR2, ITV (H)

A. Head to Head

132 Played 132
66 Won 61 
5 Drawn 5
61 Lost 66
1,380 Points 1,475

B. Recent Form

19 March 2016
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
35 – 25 to Ireland

15 August 2015
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
28 – 22 to Ireland

21 March 2015
BT Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
10 – 40 to Ireland

2 February 2014
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
28 – 6 to Ireland

24 February 2013
Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
12 – 8 to Scotland

10 March 2012
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
32 – 14 to Ireland

6 August 2011
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
10 – 6 to Scotland

27 February 2011
Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh
18 – 21 to Ireland

20 March 2010
Croke Park, Dublin
20 – 23 to Scotland

C. Teams

SCOTLAND 

15-Stuart Hogg; 14-Sean Maitland, 13-Huw Jones, 12-Alex Dunbar, 11-Tommy Seymour; 10-Finn Russell, 9-Greig Laidlaw (capt); 1-Allan Dell, 2-Fraser Brown, 3-Zander Fagerson, 4-Richie Gray, 5-Jonny Gray, 6-Ryan Wilson, 7-Hamish Watson, 8-Josh Strauss

Replacements: 16-Ross Ford, 17-Gordon Reid, 18-Simon Berghan, 19-Tim Swinson, 20-John Barclay, 21-Ali Price, 22-Duncan Weir, 23-Mark Bennett

IRELAND

15-Rob Kearney; 14-Keith Earls, 13-Robbie Henshaw, 12-Garry Ringrose, 11-Simon Zebo; 10-Paddy Jackson, 9-Conor Murray; 1-Jack McGrath, 2-Rory Best (captain), 3-Tadhg Furlong, 4-Iain Henderson, 5-Devin Toner, 6-CJ Stander, 7-Sean O'Brien, 8-Jamie Heaslip

Replacements: 16-Niall Scannell, 17-Cian Healy, 18-John Ryan, 19-Ultan Dillane, 20-Josh van der Flier, 21-Kieran Marmion, 22-Ian Keatley, 23-Tommy Bowe.

EST wrote:

the-goon wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

EST wrote:What about this example, is this targeting the standing leg?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jniAZEJn7fU

No card?!!

Should have been a red. Was at the game and furious he did it.

However, this has nothing to do with what we are talking about, it is deflection.

It's not a deflection, its the hypocrisy of Flannery that I am highlighting.

Anyway, that's enough on this from me.  As far as I can make out its an absolute nothing incident, if you can show me more than the few scattered examples you have highlighted (all of which are highly dubious), then I don't think Glasgow have any case to answer.

I'll be going to the Scotland V Ireland game with a group of my mates, half of whom are from Ireland - it's sure to be a great laugh, and thats the way i'd prefer to keep my relationship with the Irish rugby team and its supporters.

So you are ok with trying to hurt Irish players but not supporters? Talk about hypocrisy!

If you'd any consistency you'd dump that lot down in Leith,

rodders wrote:

EST wrote:

the-goon wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

EST wrote:What about this example, is this targeting the standing leg?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jniAZEJn7fU

No card?!!

Should have been a red. Was at the game and furious he did it.

However, this has nothing to do with what we are talking about, it is deflection.

It's not a deflection, its the hypocrisy of Flannery that I am highlighting.

Anyway, that's enough on this from me.  As far as I can make out its an absolute nothing incident, if you can show me more than the few scattered examples you have highlighted (all of which are highly dubious), then I don't think Glasgow have any case to answer.

I'll be going to the Scotland V Ireland game with a group of my mates, half of whom are from Ireland - it's sure to be a great laugh, and thats the way i'd prefer to keep my relationship with the Irish rugby team and its supporters.

So you are ok with trying to hurt Irish players but not supporters? Talk about hypocrisy!

If you'd any consistency you'd dump that lot down in Leith,

He didn't say anything about being ok to hurt Irish players. What on earth are you on about?

If the Munster forwards weren't diving over rucks then maybe they would have protected him more ?

[quote="funnyExiledScot"]

Sin é wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:Again, your error is the assumption of there being a "Glasgow tactic". You have a small number of highly debatable clips from which to assume that the Glasgow coaches have asked players to deliberately injure Murray.

I raised the choke tackle debate because of Easterby's response - you play within the laws of the game. He didn't seem to bothered about the spirit of it, which I assume is Murray's beef.

This is just Irish whinging, pure and simple.

Glasgow are the only team who do this (according to Murray), but if you like, we'll call it something else.

Does the number of clips available make any difference? This particular tactic is dangerous. Can you explain what they are trying to achieve with it, if it isn't to injure the scrumhalf, standing on one leg having kicked the ball.

I'll repeat again, Edwards problem with the choke tackle was it encouraged people to tackle high, not that it injured people and the intent isn't to injure anyone so within the spirit of the game.

1. I'm saying that I don't think it was a deliberate and orchestrated tactic, therefore I'm saying that they weren't trying to achieve anything.

Good. So now that they know its pointless, they will stop doing it.

2. You can repeat it as many times as you like, but it makes little sense. Edwards said the choke tackle was dangerous because it led to a greater number of high tackles (which are against the rules, dangerous and can cause serious neck injuries). The response from Easterby was not to dispute the increased danger, but that choke tackles themselves are legal, and that the only role of the players and coaches is to play by the rules.

Edwards was speaking before a Wales v Ireland game. No one has said a word about the choke tackle since it being dangerous since.

It's actually a very neat analogy to the Murray scenario, whereby Glasgow are accepted to be playing by the rules with Murray complaining potentially dangerous consequences. There are differences though: (1) Ireland used the "choke" deliberately, whereas there's no evidence that Glasgow have orchestrated deliberate tactics; (2) upon being challenged about the tactic, Ireland responded by clearly stating the position: choke tackles are within the rules of the game, so jog on, whereas Glasgow haven't responded to Murray's media allegations.

What Glasgow are doing is a new departure for them this season. Lets just wait until someone is seriously injured then I suppose. But I think Conor Murray is well placed to speak up about it being at the receiving end of it.

The choke tackle has been around since about 2010/11 season. Has anyone been injured in that time? Did anyone back then complain about how dangerous it was? Do Irish teams have a high incidence of being penalised for high tackles?

For the avoidance of doubt, I think Les Kiss and Easterby are perfectly correct. I have no issue with the choke tackle per se. I do have an issue with high tackles and late tackles (and chop tackles, and believe they should be punished (they are). I also have no issue should the IRB wish to bring in rules preventing the standing leg being tackled, albeit I think the enforcement of the rule could prove tricky in certain circumstances. It's really all in the timing of the tackle.

You still have not explained why Glasgow use it. The ball is gone and there is no hope of a blockdown. Whats the point?

I do have a beef with Murray's approach to this. I'm just pleased Glasgow have seen fit to ignore him.

Because it might be effective? We'll see tomorrow if Glasgow has ignored him. Hopefully Youngs will be buying Murray a pint or two on the Lions for speaking out.

RONAN O'GARA: Treatment of Murray was atrociously dangerous

ROG wrote:I did my cruciate against the Dragons in 2005 from that exact sort of challenge. The out-half, because of the amount of kicking, is obviously vulnerable, but when you are a nine, box- kicking a metre or two from the ruck, you’re in a vulnerable place when it comes to this sort of behaviour.

I’m not sure people fully appreciate how vulnerable a box kicker is in those circumstances. To execute that properly, all the pressure is on his pivot foot and there is a premeditated decision to attack his standing leg. The consequences could be horrendous. It’s not sneaky, it’s atrociously dangerous.

A late tackle on a single, exposed leg — you can build up the knee area as much as you want, do all the balance and prehab work as proposed, but there’s no defence to that. If that was me in Scotstoun, I’d have kicked out. Murray did extremely well to keep it together.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/ronan-ogara/treatment-of-murray-was-atrociously-dangerous-439965.html

Sin e, you're not up to this.

1. That makes no sense. If Glasgow aren't doing anything deliberate, then there's nothing for them to stop doing.

2. That makes no sense. Why does it matter whether people are talking about it? Something is either dangerous, against the rules, both, one or the other, or neither. I don't think we should deduce fact from the number of gobs blurting about it in the media. I could counter your position with a similar one - this is the first time anyone has raised this, therefore until more players take to the microphone I think we should ignore it as an isolated incident....

3. Taking each of your questions in turn. Yes, lots of players have been injured since 2010/11. No, I'm not aware of many complaints other than Edwards, but see 2 above. I have no idea regarding the instance of Irish players being done for high tackles, but I'm guessing you don't either.

Here's a question for you: Do Scottish teams have a high incidence of deliberately injuring opposition players, in an orchestrated and co-ordinated manner? If you could answer with facts I'd be grateful.

4. Yawn. See point 1. I don't think Glasgow are deliberately deploying a tactic to injure the Munster scrum half, which is why I haven't explained for you why Glasgow are doing it!! That really ought to be clear.

5. I'm not saying I don't understand why Murray did it, I'm saying I disagree with his approach. His intention is clear, he doesn't want opposition players, Scottish or otherwise, attempting to charge him down or otherwise trying to tackle him. He wants refs to watch for late tackles very closely, and to discourage the possibility of being hit late (or borderline). I get that. But the accusations levelled at his fellow professionals are, however, unfounded. I don't believe the media is the correct forum for unfounded allegations. Luckily (or cleverly) he didn't name anyone, otherwise he could find himself in a difficult situation re: defamation.

Look, all most people want Glasgow to do is to stop using the tactic of a low tackle on a player standing on one leg while kicking.

No problem with attempting to block down etc., even admire Glasgow's tactic of Strauss not binding to the scrum and just picking up the ball and running with it but that good black arts stuff that won't injure anyone.

Sin é wrote:Look, all most people want Glasgow to do is to stop using the tactic of a low tackle on a player standing on one leg while kicking.

No problem with attempting to block down etc., even admire Glasgow's tactic of Strauss not binding to the scrum and just picking up the ball and running with it but that good black arts stuff that won't injure anyone.

Fair enough. I won't wind you up further if you promise not to laugh in my face after the 6 Nations opener.....

GLove39 wrote:

the-goon wrote:This is Murray's quote in full. Where is the accusation that the intent of the tactic was to injure? Could someone please highlight this bit because I can't see it.



“I’m properly p*ssed off about that. I don’t see any benefit in charging down someone’s standing leg. I only see it as a danger or as a potential to get injured.

“I don’t think it’s a good tactic. You could put another label on that type of tactic, but they did it to us at Thomond Park, they got our scrum-half Te (Aihe Toma) with it in the league game and they almost got me a couple of times.

“So, luckily my leg came out of the ground and I managed to fall over, but if my leg stayed in the ground — especially in that surface — you’re looking at syndesmosis, you’re looking at cruciate (ligament).

“I’m not blaming the players. I don’t know who told them to do it but it’s dangerous. It’s very dangerous and thankfully I didn’t get injured but if I had have been injured I would have been going on more of a rant.”

No they’re the only team I’ve across that did it. I just can’t see a way of that being legal or any way that could lead to a charge down or a tackle.

“The ball is long gone from my hands and I just think it’s really dangerous and it will end up with someone getting properly injured by it.

“It could be a cruciate and you’re out for six to nine months and from an attempted ‘charge down’?


“I’ve no problem with teams going after you in a different way like happened in the game, but that type of tackle I just don’t think it’s fair. It’s not safe.”

Please show where is talks about the INTENT to injure. He is saying the consequences of the tactic are increased risk to the SH. I think Murray knows it's about getting in his face, but he is highlighting that whilst not against the laws per say (bar late tackle), there are dangers to the tackled player.

The implication is pretty clear.

Key word, implication. So he didn't outright say the intent was to injure, just the consequences are potential injury...

I presume that you are ok with this happening to Ali Price, and if he gets his ACL torn from this kind of tackle you will just shrug your shoulders and move on?

Sin é wrote:RONAN O'GARA: Treatment of Murray was atrociously dangerous

ROG wrote:I did my cruciate against the Dragons in 2005 from that exact sort of challenge. The out-half, because of the amount of kicking, is obviously vulnerable, but when you are a nine, box- kicking a metre or two from the ruck, you’re in a vulnerable place when it comes to this sort of behaviour.

I’m not sure people fully appreciate how vulnerable a box kicker is in those circumstances. To execute that properly, all the pressure is on his pivot foot and there is a premeditated decision to attack his standing leg. The consequences could be horrendous. It’s not sneaky, it’s atrociously dangerous.

A late tackle on a single, exposed leg — you can build up the knee area as much as you want, do all the balance and prehab work as proposed, but there’s no defence to that. If that was me in Scotstoun, I’d have kicked out. Murray did extremely well to keep it together.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/ronan-ogara/treatment-of-murray-was-atrociously-dangerous-439965.html

You use Ronan O'Gara as an expert witness in this debacle?

The man who claimed a Scottish player tried to choke him to death in a match?

The man who wanted the murderous villain tracked down and publicly executed!

Only to discover the player that made him pass out was his own prop laying on top of him

tigertattie wrote:

Sin é wrote:RONAN O'GARA: Treatment of Murray was atrociously dangerous

ROG wrote:I did my cruciate against the Dragons in 2005 from that exact sort of challenge. The out-half, because of the amount of kicking, is obviously vulnerable, but when you are a nine, box- kicking a metre or two from the ruck, you’re in a vulnerable place when it comes to this sort of behaviour.

I’m not sure people fully appreciate how vulnerable a box kicker is in those circumstances. To execute that properly, all the pressure is on his pivot foot and there is a premeditated decision to attack his standing leg. The consequences could be horrendous. It’s not sneaky, it’s atrociously dangerous.

A late tackle on a single, exposed leg — you can build up the knee area as much as you want, do all the balance and prehab work as proposed, but there’s no defence to that. If that was me in Scotstoun, I’d have kicked out. Murray did extremely well to keep it together.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/ronan-ogara/treatment-of-murray-was-atrociously-dangerous-439965.html

1. You use Ronan O'Gara as an expert witness in this debacle?

2. The man who claimed a Scottish player tried to choke him to death in a match?

3. The man who wanted the murderous villain tracked down and publicly executed!

4. Only to discover the player that made him pass out was his own prop laying on top of him

1. His evidence is that its a dangerous tackle.
2. No he did not. That was Eddie O'Sullivan, the coach.
3. No he did not. In fact, Nathan Hines declined ROG's offer to clear up the whole thing because Nathan Hines wasn't bothered.
4. How could he know what happened if he passed out.

O'Gara spoke about the incident for the first time yesterday. Who did him in? Er, nobody, he explained.

"That's a myth, you know. It didn't happen. I did lose consciousness but not as a result of choking. That is an awful allegation to put against any player. I apologised to Nathan Hines because I didn't know what happened.

From the Scotsman:

"I think one or two of the lads felt I had been choked. I got badly winded and I was caught in a terrible position with (John] Hayes on one side of me and some other big ape on the other side of me and I couldn't move. I was trying to hit them, hit them because I felt I was gradually losing air and it is a nasty feeling."

When contacted yesterday, Hines appreciated O'Gara clearing up the matter publicly.

"It's true, he did apologise to me at the time but I didn't want to say he did because that would have looked bad for him in the eyes of his coach. I didn't want to get him into trouble basically. It was a shame I was accused of that in the first place, a shame that Eddie O'Sullivan would use a serious but completely innocent incident to further his own agenda.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/o-gara-breaks-silence-on-murrayfield-choke-claim-to-finally-put-hines-in-clear-1-1433607

The Irish players should boycott this fixture lest someone gets seriously hurt.

rodders wrote:The Irish players should boycott this fixture lest someone gets seriously hurt.

If there's a petition, you'll find an awful lot of signatures from the east of the Irish Sea!

IanBru wrote:

rodders wrote:The Irish players should boycott this fixture lest someone gets seriously hurt.

If there's a petition, you'll find an awful lot of signatures from the east of the Irish Sea!

Agreed. Let's boycott the fixture and share the points.....

funnyExiledScot wrote:

IanBru wrote:

rodders wrote:The Irish players should boycott this fixture lest someone gets seriously hurt.

If there's a petition, you'll find an awful lot of signatures from the east of the Irish Sea!

Agreed. Let's boycott the fixture and share the points.....

Under the bonus point system we could just arrange a draw, in which both teams score 4 tries and it'd be worth the same as a 6-3 win

115 posts already eh? So there's some substance to the reputation that jocks and paddies like a bit of chat.

As for Connor Murray's complaints, well, frankly I don't think that player has a leg to stand on.

George Carlin wrote:115 posts already eh? So there's some substance to the reputation that jocks and paddies like a bit of chat.

As for Connor Murray's complaints, well, frankly I don't think that player has a leg to stand on.

Too soon

George Carlin wrote:115 posts already eh? So there's some substance to the reputation that jocks and paddies like a bit of chat.

As for Connor Murray's complaints, well, frankly I don't think that player has a leg to stand on.

Just to go back to the OP. Should be a cracker of a match with players with a point to prove and on both sides wrongs to put right. Clash of the round for me.

Hopefully the weather is dry. This could be an excellent up-tempo game with two attacking teams.

From an Ireland perspective there are a interesting selection calls. Stander, O'Mahony, VDF and SOB are all looking fantastic but only two can start. Payne has been out with a kidney injury so Henshaw and Ringrose could feature at centre.

Kearney hasn't been starting for Leinster recently so Zebo should be the frontrunner for fullback. Trimble and Earls will most likely fill the wings, perhaps O'Halloran will come in at 23?

rodders wrote:
If you'd any consistency you'd dump that lot down in Leith,

Oi - thats where I live!

TJ wrote:Just to go back to the OP.  Should be a cracker of a match with players with a point to prove and on both sides wrongs to put right.  Clash of the round for me.

Well if Scotland can play like Glasgow did yesterday it will be s cracker.

From memory the contest at the rucks was fierce last year and Ireland definitely won a lot of the smaller battles. Fortunately, all that can mean nothing if you have someone like Hogg who can score a solo try from 60m out! I'd like to see Scotland play a smarter game at the breakdown this year and hopefully stay in it until the final whistle.

TJ wrote:

rodders wrote:
If you'd any consistency you'd dump that lot down in Leith,

Oi - thats where I live!

My condolences!

RDW_Scotland wrote:

TJ wrote:

rodders wrote:
If you'd any consistency you'd dump that lot down in Leith,

Oi - thats where I live!

My condolences!

Don't you know that Leith has been regenerated? House prices have tripled in the area since they filmed the first trainspotting film!

Leith has improved sooooooo much that when filming trainspotting 2, they had to film most of it in Glasgow as they needed somewhere that looked like a run down, decrepit cess pool, hell on earth, dump of an area and Dundee said they were busy!

tigertattie wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:

TJ wrote:

rodders wrote:
If you'd any consistency you'd dump that lot down in Leith,

Oi - thats where I live!

My condolences!

Don't you know that Leith has been regenerated? House prices have tripled in the area since they filmed the first trainspotting film!

Leith has improved sooooooo much that when filming trainspotting 2, they had to film most of it in Glasgow as they needed somewhere that looked like a run down, decrepit cess pool, hell on earth, dump of an area and Dundee said they were busy!

Is that also why most of 'Sunshine on Leith', a film intended to showcase Edinburgh at its best, was filmed primarily in Glasgow (in fact, around the corner from my flat)?

This is a defining game for Scotland, win this and I think they will finish 2nd or 3rd and have their best finish for years, on the other hand, if they lose this one, then I reckon it could be another year of fighting Italy for the wooden spoon.

IanBru wrote:

tigertattie wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:

TJ wrote:

rodders wrote:
If you'd any consistency you'd dump that lot down in Leith,

Oi - thats where I live!

My condolences!

Don't you know that Leith has been regenerated? House prices have tripled in the area since they filmed the first trainspotting film!

Leith has improved sooooooo much that when filming trainspotting 2, they had to film most of it in Glasgow as they needed somewhere that looked like a run down, decrepit cess pool, hell on earth, dump of an area and Dundee said they were busy!

Is that also why most of 'Sunshine on Leith', a film intended to showcase Edinburgh at its best, was filmed primarily in Glasgow (in fact, around the corner from my flat)?

It was filmed in Glasgow due to cheaper production costs. Loads of "extras" walking about free of charge during the day, just grateful to be on telly!

I am actually living in Leith at the moment whilst fES Towers are being renovated. It isn't very nice, and we're less than 5 minutes from the bookies featuring "The Worst Toilet in Scotland" from Trainspotting 1. What strikes me most, every morning as I wait for the bus, is the fact that I am the only resident of Leith who apparently doesn't "vape". This morning the haar was replaced with a thick fog of smelly sweet vapour. Revolting!

funnyExiledScot wrote:I am actually living in Leith at the moment whilst fES Towers are being renovated. It isn't very nice, and we're less than 5 minutes from the bookies featuring "The Worst Toilet in Scotland" from Trainspotting 1. What strikes me most, every morning as I wait for the bus, is the fact that I am the only resident of Leith who apparently doesn't "vape". This morning the haar was replaced with a thick fog of smelly sweet vapour. Revolting!

What strikes me most is that you take the bus. Is the Rolls in having the tartan renewed?

does anyone else picture FES as looking like the guy who managed the Bay City Rollers?

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:I am actually living in Leith at the moment whilst fES Towers are being renovated. It isn't very nice, and we're less than 5 minutes from the bookies featuring "The Worst Toilet in Scotland" from Trainspotting 1. What strikes me most, every morning as I wait for the bus, is the fact that I am the only resident of Leith who apparently doesn't "vape". This morning the haar was replaced with a thick fog of smelly sweet vapour. Revolting!

What strikes me most is that you take the bus. Is the Rolls in having the tartan renewed?

No, but the renovations are draining my funds faster than Ben Atiga can polish off a Scotch pie.

Apparently I have to pay the builders the minimum wage! Honestly, the Victorians had it right.

tigertattie wrote:does anyone else picture FES as looking like the guy who managed the Bay City Rollers?

More like this, really:

I hope someone clatters into Murray the first chance they get, preferably as he's kicking.

reallybored wrote:I hope someone clatters into Murray the first chance they get, preferably as he's kicking.

I hope they do too, I'll cheer as the yellow card is held aloft.

reallybored wrote:I hope someone clatters into Murray the first chance they get, preferably as he's kicking.

That would cause him to go crying to the ref and ask for the game to be postponed until a judge and jury can be found to convict the whole Scotland team of treason against the Irish RFU (even players not in the match day squad)

What he needs is for Strauss to smash him right in the solar plexus with his shoulder (while wrapping an arm) and knocking the wind out of him. For Josh to then stand over Murray's wrecked body and proclaim "This is rugby biatch"

FES - the worst toilet in Scotland was in Granton was it not?

Wherabouts in leith do you live because your description of it is nothing like my experience. Mind you I have only lived here for 23 years

3 michelin starred restaurants - the most in any city outside London.
25 eating an drinking establishments within 400 m of my front door.
Regeneration going on a pace and just recently voted the second hippest place to live in the UK

Pete330v2 wrote:

reallybored wrote:I hope someone clatters into Murray the first chance they get, preferably as he's kicking.

I hope they do too, I'll cheer as the yellow card is held aloft.

What would the penalty be for, exactly? Do enlighten us.

IanBru wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:

reallybored wrote:I hope someone clatters into Murray the first chance they get, preferably as he's kicking.

I hope they do too, I'll cheer as the yellow card is held aloft.

What would the penalty be for, exactly? Do enlighten us.

Being rough against someone that plays for World Rugby, I mean Ireland

funnyExiledScot wrote:

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:I am actually living in Leith at the moment whilst fES Towers are being renovated. It isn't very nice, and we're less than 5 minutes from the bookies featuring "The Worst Toilet in Scotland" from Trainspotting 1. What strikes me most, every morning as I wait for the bus, is the fact that I am the only resident of Leith who apparently doesn't "vape". This morning the haar was replaced with a thick fog of smelly sweet vapour. Revolting!

What strikes me most is that you take the bus. Is the Rolls in having the tartan renewed?

No, but the renovations are draining my funds faster than Ben Atiga can polish off a Scotch pie.

Apparently I have to pay the builders the minimum wage! Honestly, the Victorians had it right.

Don't worry, after brexit you'll be able to pay them nothing, beat them and then feed them to the Lions in Edinburgh Zoo when they're done.

rodders wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:I am actually living in Leith at the moment whilst fES Towers are being renovated. It isn't very nice, and we're less than 5 minutes from the bookies featuring "The Worst Toilet in Scotland" from Trainspotting 1. What strikes me most, every morning as I wait for the bus, is the fact that I am the only resident of Leith who apparently doesn't "vape". This morning the haar was replaced with a thick fog of smelly sweet vapour. Revolting!

What strikes me most is that you take the bus. Is the Rolls in having the tartan renewed?

No, but the renovations are draining my funds faster than Ben Atiga can polish off a Scotch pie.

Apparently I have to pay the builders the minimum wage! Honestly, the Victorians had it right.

Don't worry, after brexit you'll be able to pay them nothing, beat them and then feed them to the Lions in Edinburgh Zoo when they're done.

I thought they had Pandas?

Hazel Sapling wrote:

rodders wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:I am actually living in Leith at the moment whilst fES Towers are being renovated. It isn't very nice, and we're less than 5 minutes from the bookies featuring "The Worst Toilet in Scotland" from Trainspotting 1. What strikes me most, every morning as I wait for the bus, is the fact that I am the only resident of Leith who apparently doesn't "vape". This morning the haar was replaced with a thick fog of smelly sweet vapour. Revolting!

What strikes me most is that you take the bus. Is the Rolls in having the tartan renewed?

No, but the renovations are draining my funds faster than Ben Atiga can polish off a Scotch pie.

Apparently I have to pay the builders the minimum wage! Honestly, the Victorians had it right.

Don't worry, after brexit you'll be able to pay them nothing, beat them and then feed them to the Lions in Edinburgh Zoo when they're done.

I thought they had Pandas?

Not for long, all the bamboo will be needed to beat the workers.

TJ wrote:FES - the worst toilet in Scotland was in Granton was it not?  

Wherabouts in leith do you live because your description of it is nothing like my experience.  Mind you I have only lived here for 23 years

3 michelin starred restaurants - the most in any city outside London.
25 eating an drinking establishments within 400 m of my front door.
Regeneration going on a pace and just recently voted the second hippest place to live in the UK

I stand corrected. I thought it was at the shopping centre behind my flat, Newkirkgate, but as you say it was Muirhouse in Granton.

Don't get me wrong, it's come a long way since I first visited in the 1990s, but other than the very nice shore area, there's still an awful lot of work to do.

I'm staying on Giles Street at the moment, opposite the Whisky Society and next to VDeep (which has just closed down).

Just up the road from me. I am down near commercial street bridge

funnyExiledScot wrote:

TJ wrote:FES - the worst toilet in Scotland was in Granton was it not?  

Wherabouts in leith do you live because your description of it is nothing like my experience.  Mind you I have only lived here for 23 years

3 michelin starred restaurants - the most in any city outside London.
25 eating an drinking establishments within 400 m of my front door.
Regeneration going on a pace and just recently voted the second hippest place to live in the UK

I stand corrected. I thought it was at the shopping centre behind my flat, Newkirkgate, but as you say it was Muirhouse in Granton.

Don't get me wrong, it's come a long way since I first visited in the 1990s, but other than the very nice shore area, there's still an awful lot of work to do.

I'm staying on Giles Street at the moment, opposite the Whisky Society and next to VDeep (which has just closed down).

Sex shop?

reallybored wrote:I hope someone clatters into Murray the first chance they get, preferably as he's kicking.

If this is how tough Scottish forwards are, I don't think he'll be too worried. Please refer to 2min29sec.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHX4yzgVlIc

Oh no, please don't bring up six-year-old videos of players who have now retired, and who were famed for starting fights and then running away (and gambling). I don't think I can take it.

[Hides behind sofa]

It was Ross Ford that he handed off - surely a low point in Ford's career!

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:

TJ wrote:FES - the worst toilet in Scotland was in Granton was it not?  

Wherabouts in leith do you live because your description of it is nothing like my experience.  Mind you I have only lived here for 23 years

3 michelin starred restaurants - the most in any city outside London.
25 eating an drinking establishments within 400 m of my front door.
Regeneration going on a pace and just recently voted the second hippest place to live in the UK

I stand corrected. I thought it was at the shopping centre behind my flat, Newkirkgate, but as you say it was Muirhouse in Granton.

Don't get me wrong, it's come a long way since I first visited in the 1990s, but other than the very nice shore area, there's still an awful lot of work to do.

I'm staying on Giles Street at the moment, opposite the Whisky Society and next to VDeep (which has just closed down).

Sex shop?

Curry house - Hardeep Singh Kohli's failed venture (serves him right for being a Nat).

RDW_Scotland wrote:It was Ross Ford that he handed off - surely a low point in Ford's career!

That, and almost every line out throw between 2005 - 2015.

Still, being handed off by ROG is pretty embarrassing.