The Trump Presidency

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 10 Feb 2017, 1:03 pm

First topic message reminder :

Well, since the last thread got terminated, I thought I'd open a new one as I think Trump's Presidency is potentially quite an important event (one way or the other), so we should talk about it.

Let's at least try to argue points raised rather than sling any personal insults (not that I mind).

To kick off, what on Earth is that Kellyanne Conway doing promoting Ivanka Trump's fashion line and does the Donald seriously think it's OK to weigh in as he's done??? With any luck, some legal eagles will tear Conway down somewhat and someone (anyone!) will convince Trump to stop tweeting. In fact, does anyone in the Administration know what they're doing? A less suitable press officer than Spicer is hard to imagine but to be fair to the guy, it must be difficult fielding media comments when he's having to make it up on the hoof.

by Gwlad Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:08 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Shouldn't worry to much about his campaign promises, he's engineering a war in the Pacific which should drive his rating skyward

Yep...He couldn't get his Healthcare bill passed so a war in the pacific should be no problem..

"Congress" Ever heard of it ??

Be a student of history. When does China EVER get involved. Not onc win my lifetime have i been so aware of Chinese military movements, and this in apparent preparation to deal with a fellow Communist. Did Congress present a problem in 1941? Why was that?
The USA is a militant nation, i know i live next to it and travel there every month. Go to a 4th of july celebration in a small mid west town you'll understand. They like a war, need a war, about once every 10 years will do to keep the $ rolling. Trump has created uncertainty and increased paranoia in North Korea with his naval shenanigans, the latest being the USS Vinson battle group going on a jolly in the Pacific…to who knows where….! All very careful orchestrated to increase tensions and with the level of nationalism in Pyong Yang such as it is it is likely that the regime will up its anti western rhetoric to a point where Trump can sit back and let matters take their course.

If you keep poking the hornets nest you'll get stung. That is what China is waiting for.

I am very aware of history.............Which is why I know bollox when I read it..

well that reply is a perfect example of it.

I dont think you can be aware of history if you don't know that the USA is apt to provoke strikes by their perceived enemies.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:20 pm

Gwlad wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:Shouldn't worry to much about his campaign promises, he's engineering a war in the Pacific which should drive his rating skyward

Yep...He couldn't get his Healthcare bill passed so a war in the pacific should be no problem..

"Congress" Ever heard of it ??

Be a student of history. When does China EVER get involved. Not onc win my lifetime have i been so aware of Chinese military movements, and this in apparent preparation to deal with a fellow Communist. Did Congress present a problem in 1941? Why was that?
The USA is a militant nation, i know i live next to it and travel there every month. Go to a 4th of july celebration in a small mid west town you'll understand. They like a war, need a war, about once every 10 years will do to keep the $ rolling. Trump has created uncertainty and increased paranoia in North Korea with his naval shenanigans, the latest being the USS Vinson battle group going on a jolly in the Pacific…to who knows where….! All very careful orchestrated to increase tensions and with the level of nationalism in Pyong Yang such as it is it is likely that the regime will up its anti western rhetoric to a point where Trump can sit back and let matters take their course.

If you keep poking the hornets nest you'll get stung. That is what China is waiting for.

I am very aware of history.............Which is why I know bollox when I read it..

well that reply is a perfect example of it.

I dont think you can be aware of history if you don't know that the USA is apt to provoke strikes by their perceived enemies.

What a load of bollox.............Shame on the US for provoking Pearl Harbor and for fighting against the Nazis.....Shame on the US for 9/11............Shame on the US for provoking Saddam into invading Kuwait......Shame on the US for provoking North Korea into invading the South...

You shouldn't let your hatred for the US cloud your thoughts..................

by Gwlad Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:35 pm

Wow, amazing mess you've got yourself into here dont be so naive truss man. i dont hate the USA but i hate militant Americans who will, arguably are, taking us to the brink again.

My thoughts are quite clear thanks, not sure what world you live in but you have clearly been someone who doesn't study history too closely. That is the shame.

1. The US foreign policy on Japan, particularly in relation to oil embargoes was the cause of pearl harbor. This in turn was engineered by a soviet mole in the WH, name of Harry Dexter White. Suggested reading Operation Snow by John Koster. The carriers were all out of the base when it was attacked? Why? Because they had been warned by the British and had likely broken its codes before the commencement of hostilities. Japan knew that if it could knock the USN out of the war early on, or at least stall it, they could extend influence down to Australia and have access to oil and mineral wealth in the region.
2. The USA had been warned about a terrorist attack well in advance of 9/11. That attack was indefensible but it was used as a pretext for an illegal war.
3. What on earth are you talking about Kuwait for? But since you brought it up The USA spent billions supporting Iraq, previously an enemy and ally of the CCCP, in the Iran Iraq war, another example of its constant meddling in foreign wars and with foreign governments which causes the hatred it is now subjected to in the middle east and other places.
4. Korea was yet another example of the USA using foreign land to fight communism with little thought for the indigents. Korea had been occupied by Japan and then split by agreement between CCCP and USA who used the south as yet another buffer in their anti domino effect theory. Worked out well right?
5. The Allied effort against the Nazis was entirely justified and perhaps the only truly justifiable war of the 20th century.

by Gwlad Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:36 pm

oh by the way please refrain from using bollox it just makes you look rather ignorant as you have no counter.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 28 Apr 2017, 5:45 pm

I'll counter your points one by one.....

1. Japanese were doing naughty things in China..........Have you heard of Manchuria and the...........The R**ing of Nanking ??.....I'd suggest you read about them....If you haven't........Pearl Harbor was also a fallout from WW1 when Japanese Joe were upset about their share of the booty....

2. The USA didn't take the warning of Pearl Harbor seriously either...........You can't prove point number 2.....Incompetency is a fact of life....Not sure how objective one can claim to be when he thinks a President would happily let planes fly into buildings so he can start a war......It is beyond comprehension .......

3. Kuwait was the reason for Iraq 1..........That is why I brought it up....

4. Like I said North Korea invaded South Korea and not the other way around....Stalin land grab attempt..

Vietnam apart.........The Brits have been on our side in every war we have fought.....

Why don't you hate on them....

Try to be more objective and less patronising......I apologise for the use of bollox..

by Gwlad Fri 28 Apr 2017, 6:06 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'll counter your points one by one.....

1. Japanese were doing naughty things in China..........Have you heard of Manchuria and the...........The R**ing of Nanking ??.....I'd suggest you read about them....If you haven't........Pearl Harbor was also a fallout from WW1 when Japanese Joe were upset about their share of the booty....

2. The USA didn't take the warning of Pearl Harbor seriously either...........You can't prove point number 2.....Incompetency is a fact of life.

3. Kuwait was the reason for Iraq 1..........That is why I brought it up....

4. Like I said North Korea invaded South Korea and not the other way around....

Vietnam apart.........The Brits have been on our side in every war we have fought.....

Why don't you hate on them....

Try to be more objective and less patronising......I apologise for the use of bollox..

WW2 was fallout of WW1.Japan were naval allies of the Brits to counter Russia until after WW1 when the Anglo Japanese alliance was dissolved because as you say it affected the post war balance of power, Russia no longer being regarded as a threat.

Have i heard of Manchuria and the r*** of Nanking? Who's being patronising? Yes I have Rolling Eyes

Japan had been at war since 33 and were short on resources. White was working for Russia and manipulated US foreign policy to deny Japan resources because Russia felt threatened by the war and wanted the USA to challenge Japan, and so she did.

I dont buy the incompetency argument because Roosevelt wanted war but what he didnt want was to tai the first shots enter Yamamoto, and frankly after pearl i dont incompetency can be used again for 9/11 nor do i think it was, i think the potential attack was underestimated. But if you think the massive intelligence network of the USA is incompetent but then Pyong Yang is the least of the USA's problems, (Putin)

I assume from your remark 'us' you are American. I don't hate you, America or Americans, i hate that ignorant power mongering is bringing us to the brink of disaster. If the mighty USA with all its influence in the organs of world power can't manage the despot in Pyong Yang well then we are all royally screwed. I dont want any more wars and i hate those that do, I think with Trump we (the world) are going to see a lot more of them. Escalation doesn't work, ask Israel. War begets war. Injustice begets hate. As Eisenhower said every penny spent on war is a money that could have been spent on books, food clothes and peace. The fact is the military industrial complex that is the USA needs war and Churchill noted that no nation is ever fitter than when it is at war.
Perhaps if the USA managed foreign policy better then there wouldn't be so much hatred towards it but unfortunately that has not been the case. China is isolationist and i dont see countries lining up to take pot shots at her.

As for the Britain being on USA side in every war - well i think that sort of reveals the nature of USA approach. These are American wars and the rest of us bit parts? Actually the USA joined us in the 1st and 2nd World war and we joined the UN forces in Korea. Thank god we didn't go to Vietnam which was a dreadful defeat end to South east Asian colonialism. thumbsup

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 28 Apr 2017, 6:20 pm

You seem to know that Bush was happy to see thousands of Americans die and see Billions of dollars of damage and destruction in New York.....

You seem to know that Roosevelt wanted war with Japan and was happy to see Pearl Harbor as Collateral damage..

The USA apparently coerced Britain into supporting it in every war bar vietnam...

You're happy to call anybody who doesn't agree with your one sided view of America naive and not a student of history........

I don't know what to say apart from...

Have a good weekend... thumbsup

by Gwlad Fri 28 Apr 2017, 6:28 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You seem to know that Bush was happy to see thousands of Americans die and see Billions of dollars of damage and destruction in New York.....

You seem to know that Roosevelt wanted war with Japan and was happy to see Pearl Harbor as Collateral damage..

The USA apparently coerced Britain into supporting it in every war bar vietnam...

You're happy to call anybody who doesn't agree with your one sided view of America naive and not a student of history........

I don't know what to say apart from...

Have a good weekend...

Crikey you have a massive chip on your shoulder fella. I don't have a one sided view; i said that the USA was entirely justified in its war on the Nazis but the truth is the the USA has created its fair share of war in the 20th century due to its shocking treatment of other countries and its willingness to fight what it perceives to be it's enemies in other countries: Vietnam (Communism), Korea (Communist China), Afghanistan (Russia) while also meddling in geopolitical matters all over the world causing more instability. Read Legacy of Ashes by Tim Weiner (an American) to get a bit of an idea. You seem stuck in the general accepted view of what happened in 20th century wars e.g, Japan decided to attack Pearl with the USA waking up Dec 7th and being shocked; just didnt happen that way.

Making such statements regarding collateral damage is completely out of order and grossly over reacting. Calm down eh and reflect on what you're reactionary writing.

Your suggestion that the British were supporting the USA is plain arrogant; the world doesn't revolve around the USA. It was the USA who came into both World wars to support the British.

by Gwlad Fri 28 Apr 2017, 6:46 pm

Trussman did you vote for Trump?

by Derbymanc Sat 29 Apr 2017, 8:53 am

Sunshine on a rainy day

by Gwlad Sat 29 Apr 2017, 8:50 pm

Hey Trussman why did you vote Trump?

by Derbymanc Sun 30 Apr 2017, 7:13 am

Can you vote in the US if you live in another country?

by Gwlad Sun 30 Apr 2017, 7:28 am

Yeah of course, thats how Trussman voted Trump

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 30 Apr 2017, 7:37 am

Been over here a while so things might have changed....But the USA had a statement of intent rule when it came to dual nationality.

If I had waited to be granted British national-ship I would have kept my US nationality and retained certain privilege....By applying voluntarily to become a British national because the US is a Country that doesn't encourage dual nationality I had to give it up.....

Very much viewed as desertion.

Like I said we are talking years ago....All silly billy stuff....Might be different now.

No I didn't support Trump......One can stick up for America and not be a Conservative or a dumbass.

Patronise away though to your heart's content.

by Derbymanc Sun 30 Apr 2017, 7:49 am

Cheers Truss, i really had no idea about that. hope your doing well buddy

by **navyblueshorts** Sun 30 Apr 2017, 3:52 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Whoops. Another campaign promise out the window then...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39708768

Jobs are up.. The economy is improving and he isn’t saddled with the nightmare known as Brexit.

You'd be better off worrying about the UK ...
Yeah, amazing what Obama put in place isn't it? Fits your earlier post re. keeping schtum and reaping the gains.
This is a thread about Trump's Presidency, so I thought I'd post something about his damned Wall. Would seem odd banging on about Brexit here don't you think?

Also seems that US growth has slowed to its slowest rate in three years.

Ah. Now that's definitely Obama's fault...

by **Pr4wn** Tue 02 May 2017, 4:39 pm

Hey Truss, you know your American history, how did Andrew Jackson feel about the civil war?

by Gwlad Tue 02 May 2017, 5:42 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Been over here a while so things might have changed....But the USA had a statement of intent rule when it came to dual nationality.

If I had waited to be granted British national-ship I would have kept my US nationality and retained certain privilege....By applying voluntarily to become a British national because the US is a Country that doesn't encourage dual nationality I had to give it up.....

Very much viewed as desertion.

Like I said we are talking years ago....All silly billy stuff....Might be different now.

No I didn't support Trump......One can stick up for America and not be a Conservative or a dumbass.

Patronise away though to your heart's content.

And one can criticize America and the mess it has caused throughout the world and not be viewed as some sort of traitor. That hubris is America's biggest problem.

by **Pr4wn** Tue 02 May 2017, 6:11 pm

Exactly. One of America's big problems at the moment, and also a problem that's developing quickly in the UK is the inability to differentiate between "patriotism" and "nationalism".

by Gwlad Tue 02 May 2017, 6:25 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Exactly. One of America's big problems at the moment, and also a problem that's developing quickly in the UK is the inability to differentiate between "patriotism" and "nationalism".

Militant as they are most patriotism in the USA is identified with military feats.

I was in Prescott AZ last 4th July. Scary stuff. Hlaf of them want war just to show how strong/great blah the USA is, hence Trump

The guy hosting the parade in the town square had everyone stood to attention while guys in military garb from every war paraded up and down to the tune of some warry US song. He then claimed 'The USA has never lost a war" accompanied by massive hoots whistles and applause. This is how they celebrate their national day. Shocked

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 05 May 2017, 9:44 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Hey Truss, you know your American history, how did Andrew Jackson feel about the civil war?

Don't know Jackson had been dead for years........But since you asked "Hickory" was one of my favorite Presidents making his name of course by trashing the British in the 1812 war...Hated the British did Andy.....Became "Alamo Andy" later on when he took Texas from Poncho.....liked a good fight did Andy...

The Grandees thought he was too common and rough to be President.....

Though Jackson fought to keep the Union during the nullification crisis (Tariff of abominations...He lost his Vice President over it).....He saw the way the Country was headed and thought they would eventually be an attempted split....Even forewarning it would probably be over slavery..

However he was from South Carolina which was the first State to remove itself from the Union and he was Pro slavery.... I imagine he would have been for secession......Lost quite a lot of men at the Great Battle of Gettysburg did South Carolina...There is a famous monument commemorating them..

Jackson was the founder of the Democratic party and the first President to actively campaign to be President.....Also the first President to survive an assassination attempt....The assassin's gun misfired and Jackson proceeded to stick the boot in...(Many thought there was a Kennedy type Conspiracy!! Shocked

)

A Great Man.......But I can't answer your question.....But I can tell you one of the greatest Presidents in history was replaced by one of the worst in Martin Van Buren.

by Gwlad Fri 05 May 2017, 11:48 pm

Aaaah the American Civil War…now remind me was that the one when they emancipated the slaves just to destroy the confederate economy?

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 06 May 2017, 11:48 am

It's the war in which General Sherman finally broke the stalemate in Savannah and saved Lincoln's ass against McClellan in 1864...Saving the United States as we know it..

"Sir, I beg to present you as a Christmas gift...The City of Savannah."

William Tecumseh Sherman....What a guy !! thumbsup

by **Pr4wn** Mon 08 May 2017, 2:29 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Hey Truss, you know your American history, how did Andrew Jackson feel about the civil war?

Don't know Jackson had been dead for years........But since you asked "Hickory" was one of my favorite Presidents making his name of course by trashing the British in the 1812 war...Hated the British did Andy.....Became "Alamo Andy" later on when he took Texas from Poncho.....liked a good fight did Andy...

The Grandees thought he was too common and rough to be President.....

Though Jackson fought to keep the Union during the nullification crisis (Tariff of abominations...He lost his Vice President over it).....He saw the way the Country was headed and thought they would eventually be an attempted split....Even forewarning it would probably be over slavery..

However he was from South Carolina which was the first State to remove itself from the Union and he was Pro slavery.... I imagine he would have been for secession......Lost quite a lot of men at the Great Battle of Gettysburg did South Carolina...There is a famous monument commemorating them..

Jackson was the founder of the Democratic party and the first President to actively campaign to be President.....Also the first President to survive an assassination attempt....The assassin's gun misfired and Jackson proceeded to stick the boot in...(Many thought there was a Kennedy type Conspiracy!! )

A Great Man.......But I can't answer your question.....But I can tell you one of the greatest Presidents in history was replaced by one of the worst in Martin Van Buren.

Passionate slave owner too.

by Gwlad Tue 09 May 2017, 1:02 am

Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Hey Truss, you know your American history, how did Andrew Jackson feel about the civil war?

Don't know Jackson had been dead for years........But since you asked "Hickory" was one of my favorite Presidents making his name of course by trashing the British in the 1812 war...Hated the British did Andy.....Became "Alamo Andy" later on when he took Texas from Poncho.....liked a good fight did Andy...

The Grandees thought he was too common and rough to be President.....

Though Jackson fought to keep the Union during the nullification crisis (Tariff of abominations...He lost his Vice President over it).....He saw the way the Country was headed and thought they would eventually be an attempted split....Even forewarning it would probably be over slavery..

However he was from South Carolina which was the first State to remove itself from the Union and he was Pro slavery.... I imagine he would have been for secession......Lost quite a lot of men at the Great Battle of Gettysburg did South Carolina...There is a famous monument commemorating them..

Jackson was the founder of the Democratic party and the first President to actively campaign to be President.....Also the first President to survive an assassination attempt....The assassin's gun misfired and Jackson proceeded to stick the boot in...(Many thought there was a Kennedy type Conspiracy!! )

A Great Man.......But I can't answer your question.....But I can tell you one of the greatest Presidents in history was replaced by one of the worst in Martin Van Buren.

Passionate slave owner too.

Would Pres T have been one I wonder?

by GSC Tue 09 May 2017, 10:54 pm

Trumps fired Comey

by Gwlad Wed 10 May 2017, 6:13 am

Before he finds out that Trumpov has a dacha picked out in Moskva.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 10 May 2017, 8:26 am

GSC wrote:Trumps fired Comey

Firing the head of an investigation into you to replace him with someone you want isn't suspicious at all....

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 10 May 2017, 8:32 am

This series of the Apprentice is the best ever

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 10 May 2017, 8:44 am

Trump - the gift that keeps on giving....

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 10 May 2017, 9:00 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:This series of the Apprentice is the best ever

In fairness he stayed in the series longer than Hillary.

A bit unsporting getting rid of the guy that probably won you the election but Russia is a problem for Trump.... I for one don't want him impeached. Not when you see who his VP is.

Always pick an idiot or a scumbag as your VP as Tricky Dicky always said about his VP Spiro Agnew..

"He's great... because who is going to assassinate me with that stupid P**ck waiting in the wings"

by TopHat24/7 Wed 10 May 2017, 9:29 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:This series of the Apprentice is the best ever

Gold.

by **Galted** Wed 10 May 2017, 9:58 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:This series of the Apprentice is the best ever

Gold.

True.

by **JuliusHMarx** Wed 10 May 2017, 10:25 am

Galted wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:This series of the Apprentice is the best ever

Gold.

True.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 10 May 2017, 10:42 am

Pr4wn wrote:Exactly. One of America's big problems at the moment, and also a problem that's developing quickly in the UK is the inability to differentiate between "patriotism" and "nationalism".

Latest economic reports show jobless is down to 4.4 percent lowest it has been for nearly ten years and wages are rising.

If the US has a problem the UK might like one too.

"When it comes to a fight and the duellers duke...
The red..the white and the blue will come thru..
When Captain America throws his mighty shield"

by **JuliusHMarx** Wed 10 May 2017, 10:48 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Exactly. One of America's big problems at the moment, and also a problem that's developing quickly in the UK is the inability to differentiate between "patriotism" and "nationalism".

Latest economic reports show jobless is down to 4.4 percent lowest it has been for nearly ten years and wages are rising.

If the US has a problem the UK might like one too.

"When it comes to a fight and the duellers duke...
The red..the white and the blue will come thru..
When Captain America throws his mighty shield

Obamacare will be repealed."

by **Galted** Wed 10 May 2017, 10:57 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Exactly. One of America's big problems at the moment, and also a problem that's developing quickly in the UK is the inability to differentiate between "patriotism" and "nationalism".

Latest economic reports show jobless is down to 4.4 percent lowest it has been for nearly ten years and wages are rising.

If the US has a problem the UK might like one too.

"When it comes to a fight and the duellers duke...
The red..the white and the blue will come thru..
When Captain America throws his mighty shield
Obamacare will be repealed."

And again I can end with 'true'.

by TopHat24/7 Wed 10 May 2017, 11:06 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Exactly. One of America's big problems at the moment, and also a problem that's developing quickly in the UK is the inability to differentiate between "patriotism" and "nationalism".

Latest economic reports show jobless is down to 4.4 percent lowest it has been for nearly ten years and wages are rising.

If the US has a problem the UK might like one too.

"When it comes to a fight and the duellers duke...
The red..the white and the blue will come thru..
When Captain America throws his mighty shield"

Fantastic news. Which of Trump's policies led to this??

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 10 May 2017, 12:22 pm

He's going to drain the swamp..
He's going to build a wall...
He's going to replace Obamacare with the best healthcare plan ever..Though he doesn't know what it is yet.
He's going to make America win so much we'll be begging to lose.
He's going to put Hillary in jail..
He's going to ban Muslims.

Just wait till 2020 when he goes populist.

by TopHat24/7 Wed 10 May 2017, 12:48 pm

Not sure that answers the question (maybe not intended to). You, Truss, clearly think he's doing something right which we need a bit more of over here "If the US has a problem the UK might like one too" therefore it would be great to know what Trump policies you think need exporting to improve UK economic performance??

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 10 May 2017, 12:54 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Exactly. One of America's big problems at the moment, and also a problem that's developing quickly in the UK is the inability to differentiate between "patriotism" and "nationalism".

Latest economic reports show jobless is down to 4.4 percent lowest it has been for nearly ten years and wages are rising.

If the US has a problem the UK might like one too.

"When it comes to a fight and the duellers duke...
The red..the white and the blue will come thru..
When Captain America throws his mighty shield"

Yeah, just like in Vietnam eh? Rolling Eyes

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 10 May 2017, 1:00 pm

Peace with honor....

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 10 May 2017, 1:10 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Peace with honor....

If you say so.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 10 May 2017, 1:20 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Peace with honor....
If you say so.

That is what it says on the record and like you wrote on the other thread better not question the experts. laughing

by TopHat24/7 Wed 10 May 2017, 2:29 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Not sure that answers the question (maybe not intended to). You, Truss, clearly think he's doing something right which we need a bit more of over here "If the US has a problem the UK might like one too" therefore it would be great to know what Trump policies you think need exporting to improve UK economic performance??

by GSC Wed 10 May 2017, 2:47 pm

Build a wall to Scotland

by Gwlad Wed 10 May 2017, 7:04 pm

One assumes the investigation into Trump's Russian links is still going on? Come going may increase the imperative to find the smoking gun. I don't see Trump as being out of the woods quite yet if he has something to hide that is.

by GSC Wed 10 May 2017, 7:11 pm

If there is something he's not going to keep it secret for long in 2017.

by Gwlad Wed 10 May 2017, 9:26 pm

GSC wrote:If there is something he's not going to keep it secret for long in 2017.

You know I think that even if it is discovered there is impropriety, he has so undermined the concept that the press is an organ of democracy and the principle check and balance on power that it will be unable for anyone to believe anything anymore.
There are no Woodward and Bernsteins and there are no press organisations left that carry the weight or cohones to do it. IMO he will always muddle through using smoke and mirrors, claim and counterclaim with his no harm no foul MO.
Unlike anyone before him he has rewritten what is desirable and acceptable in a President. And lets not forget that the press have lost credibility entirely and no longer do Joe voters see the press as their main source of news, it is the whispering of social media news that people tap into nowadays.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 10 May 2017, 10:34 pm

Gwlad wrote:
GSC wrote:If there is something he's not going to keep it secret for long in 2017.

You know I think that even if it is discovered there is impropriety, he has so undermined the concept that the press is an organ of democracy and the principle check and balance on power that it will be unable for anyone to believe anything anymore.
There are no Woodward and Bernsteins and there are no press organisations left that carry the weight or cohones to do it. IMO he will always muddle through using smoke and mirrors, claim and counterclaim with his no harm no foul MO.
Unlike anyone before him he has rewritten what is desirable and acceptable in a President. And lets not forget that the press have lost credibility entirely and no longer do Joe voters see the press as their main source of news, it is the whispering of social media news that people tap into nowadays.

He won't survive if there is proof that Trump was complicit in the Russian saga......He won't talk himself out of that.....

He hasn't written what is desirable and acceptable as President.......I never saw Obama with an approval rating as ghastly as Trump's and Trump is presiding over a better economy.....Trump won because people are sick of Washington and the Democrats picked the one candidate he could nail.......Corrupt, man hating Hillary who had the personality of a brick....She beat him by 3 points anyway and 3 million votes...

The sexual assault charges should have killed him but hey ho Bill Clinton is a sexual predator....and you get both Clintons for the price of one.

Trump got lucky or unlucky if like me you believe he didn't want the job but just wanted publicity for a commercial station he was going to open with Roger Ailes....

I agree about press credibility......When you're feeding questions to Hillary before duels with Bernie and Trump and leading with stories of Trump screwing prostitutes and soiling beds overseas without substantiation....it is hard to take you seriously.....

I think the lack of respect they have shown the President is scandalous...............He might be a P**ck but he is the President and you respect the office.......We have had plenty of clowns like Pierce, Taylor, Fillmore and Ford but they got respect.......

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