The Trump Presidency

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 10 Feb - 13:03

First topic message reminder :

Well, since the last thread got terminated, I thought I'd open a new one as I think Trump's Presidency is potentially quite an important event (one way or the other), so we should talk about it.

Let's at least try to argue points raised rather than sling any personal insults (not that I mind).

To kick off, what on Earth is that Kellyanne Conway doing promoting Ivanka Trump's fashion line and does the Donald seriously think it's OK to weigh in as he's done??? With any luck, some legal eagles will tear Conway down somewhat and someone (anyone!) will convince Trump to stop tweeting. In fact, does anyone in the Administration know what they're doing? A less suitable press officer than Spicer is hard to imagine but to be fair to the guy, it must be difficult fielding media comments when he's having to make it up on the hoof.

by Gwlad Fri 12 May - 17:59

And now tapes of FBI convos Shocked

....oh dear he's only been there a few months and he's gone completely Millhouse. laughing

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 12 May - 20:48

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Dress it up how you like but he's a larger than life personality.

Yep, definitely a d!ckhead and you know what? That's not a defined, positive qualification for POTUS.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 12 May - 20:57

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Dress it up how you like but he's a larger than life personality.
Yep, definitely a d!ckhead and you know what? That's not a defined, positive qualification for POTUS.

I never said it was...But he is charismatic and a winner...

by Gwlad Fri 12 May - 21:20

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Dress it up how you like but he's a larger than life personality.
Yep, definitely a d!ckhead and you know what? That's not a defined, positive qualification for POTUS.

I never said it was...But he is charismatic and a winner...

And that right there is why dem' folks in the U S of A voted for him yessireee!! (Help us oh Lord)

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 13 May - 7:07

90 percent of Trump's vote was from people that vote GOP every election...Probably be 80 percent Labour voters in Corbyn's case as he is around 29 percent in the polls.

With the Nixon stuff and now this titbit...You're becoming more informed kid. thumbsup

by Gwlad Sun 14 May - 6:23

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:90 percent of Trump's vote was from people that vote GOP every election...Probably be 80 percent Labour voters in Corbyn's case as he is around 29 percent in the polls.

With the Nixon stuff and now this titbit...You're becoming more informed kid.

Ad you more typically American Rolling Eyes

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 15 May - 8:44

Wheels within wheels and pretty troubling IMO:

https://www.606v2.com/t65570p350-uk-general-election-2017-thread#3565189

by GSC Wed 17 May - 7:12

The heat continues to rise...

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 17 May - 10:21

GSC wrote:The heat continues to rise...

Good fun isn't it? Now there's a memo, apparently, from Comey essentially saying Trump asked him to lay off Flynn and let the investigation into his Russian links slide. Every day, it gets more comic....or it would do if wasn't potentially so serious.

Where's SecretFly to denounce all of this as 'fake news'??

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 17 May - 12:32

Sounds like Bill Clinton getting on the same plane as the Attorney General when Hillary faced charges over her servers....

Remember that the Republicans own Congress..The Liberals own the media but it will be Congress that decides Trump's fate...

It isn't good fun.. It is hurting the image of the greatest Country in the World and we should be concentrating on getting the USA up and running again..Not dealing with this crap..

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 17 May - 12:46

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:It is hurting the image of the greatest Country in the World and we should be concentrating on getting the USA up and running again..Not dealing with this crap..

You seem confused, we're talking about the USA.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 17 May - 13:07

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Sounds like Bill Clinton getting on the same plane as the Attorney General when Hillary faced charges over her servers....

Not really, no. Was there ever any suggestion or memo that explicitly suggested Bill might have tried it on with the AG? Even if there was, was Bill a serving member of the Government at that point?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Remember that the Republicans own Congress..The Liberals own the media but it will be Congress that decides Trump's fate...

It isn't good fun.. It is hurting the image of the greatest Country in the World and we should be concentrating on getting the USA up and running again..Not dealing with this crap..

Agree with the last part...

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 17 May - 14:32

You'll feel differently when you need money.

by **Pr4wn** Wed 17 May - 14:51

You seem to, rather typically, be conflating wealth and greatness.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 17 May - 14:58

Pr4wn wrote:You seem to, rather typically, be conflating wealth and greatness.

Nope one example is enough for the UK...I'll save other things such as Culture..Sporting prowess and military operations for arguments with bigger fish like China.

Afternoon Pr4wn..

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 17 May - 15:01

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:You seem to, rather typically, be conflating wealth and greatness.

Nope one example is enough for the UK...I'll save other things such as Culture..Sporting prowess and military operations for arguments with bigger fish like China.

Afternoon Pr4wn..

America has culture?

Sporting prowess, I'd actually overall the UK has the clear edge as far as sport goes and your military has numbers and ability to kill it's own but is operationally an embarrassment.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 17 May - 15:05

You wrote that last post in jest..Hammer ??

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 17 May - 15:09

Not at all and no country with culture thinks it's the greatest, it's obnoxious and the exact reason why the rest of the world detests you so much. We conquered most of the planet and are not subject to as much hate as you lot which says it all really.

by GSC Wed 17 May - 15:14

My country could beat your country up

by **JuliusHMarx** Wed 17 May - 15:24

In fairness, the USA have given us the WWE.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 17 May - 15:27

2016 Olympic table.................

USA...................46-37-38
UK.....................27-23-17

Conflict History
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USA 3-0 Britain...Three by ko. thumbsup

Anyway let us move on....

by **JuliusHMarx** Wed 17 May - 15:32

Yes, you're right. It was a poor showing by the USA at the Olympics, given the population and wealth of the nation.

by TopHat24/7 Wed 17 May - 15:33

Move on before someone starts tallying gun crime and school massacre statistics.........

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 17 May - 15:44

GSC wrote:My country could beat your country up

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 17 May - 15:46

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:2016 Olympic table.................

USA...................46-37-38
UK.....................27-23-17

Conflict History
----------
USA 3-0 Britain...Three by ko.

Anyway let us move on....

Your daft, indoctrinated pushing of the idea that America is the greatest country ever to exist on the planet, for any and every reason, is boring and not worth debate so, yes, let's move on to other topics...

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 17 May - 15:56

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:2016 Olympic table.................

USA...................46-37-38
UK.....................27-23-17

Conflict History
----------
USA 3-0 Britain...Three by ko.

Anyway let us move on....

Your daft, indoctrinated pushing of the idea that America is the greatest country ever to exist on the planet, for any and every reason, is boring and not worth debate so, yes, let's move on to other topics...

Insults again.....You just make statements....

I back mine up......Maybe you're better off reading and not posting..........

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 17 May - 16:02

We've just got past the anniversary of "The Battle of New Orleans"...........General Andrew Jackson the future Seventh president led his troops to victory there......"Only good Brit is a dead Brit"......Hated Brits did "King Mob Andy"

Last time we fought the Brits............200 years ago.

Best friends ever since !!..... Hug

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 17 May - 16:06

Says it all when your closest ally can't stand you.

by **JuliusHMarx** Wed 17 May - 16:07

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:We've just got past the anniversary of "The Battle of New Orleans"

Don't worry, there will be another one next year!

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 17 May - 16:12

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:2016 Olympic table.................

USA...................46-37-38
UK.....................27-23-17

Conflict History
----------
USA 3-0 Britain...Three by ko.

Anyway let us move on....

Your daft, indoctrinated pushing of the idea that America is the greatest country ever to exist on the planet, for any and every reason, is boring and not worth debate so, yes, let's move on to other topics...

Insults again.....You just make statements....

I back mine up......Maybe you're better off reading and not posting..........

Your insults are better/OK because you deem them supported by facts? Give over. The fact is (do you want me to find and quote back the relevant posts?), you continually bang on about America being 'the greatest' and do so in a typically boorish, arrogant (stereotypical American?) fashion. I don't really need to post evidence myself do I? It's all over this section of the Forum, for everyone to see. Either you really believe that tripe, or it's a not particularly entertaining WUM. Either way, it's pretty dull.

I'll leave it there so we don't ruin the relevant Trump Presidency content any more, but you'll no doubt do your usual "I must have the last word" post. Chin up, nice fencing with you old bean

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by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 17 May - 16:23

Worth remembering that the constitution is a grey area when it comes to Impeachment......Presidents get impeached for "High crimes and misdemeanors"........Which is open to interpretation.....

Remember also that you need to have 2/3 of the Senate voting to impeach to get rid.......No easy feat..

Republicans already own the Senate....

Andrew Johnson (Took over from Lincoln) survived by one vote............Both Republicans and Dems hated him though..

The dollar is falling at the moment because of this Russian crap.........My guess is Economic uncertainty will be the catalyst for any move unless there is a smoking gun.

Hope I cleared this up for you.... thumbsup

by Gwlad Wed 17 May - 16:25

America has culture?

No it doesn't, I visit once a month. The U S culture is strip malls.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 17 May - 16:45

Gwlad wrote:America has culture?

No it doesn't, I visit once a month. The U S culture is strip malls.

You better hope that Trump doesn't look at the Free Trade agreement............Or you won't have the money to visit anywhere.

You should learn to be grateful........ Cool

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 17 May - 16:56

I'm sure the Japanese are really grateful for those two atomic bombs.

by **Pr4wn** Wed 17 May - 18:25

Word to the wise. If you think you're great but nobody else can stand you, you're probably not as great as you think you are.

by **Galted** Wed 17 May - 18:58

Maybe all the anti-American tantrums might carry a bit more weight if the posters could keep a rein on their bitterness. It's like listening to the office fat birds whining about the boss's new PA.

by Gwlad Wed 17 May - 20:02

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:America has culture?

No it doesn't, I visit once a month. The U S culture is strip malls.

You better hope that Trump doesn't look at the Free Trade agreement............Or you won't have the money to visit anywhere.

You should learn to be grateful........

I viist cos i have to, it would be a blessing if I didn't have to, rudest border service in the world.

by **Pr4wn** Wed 17 May - 20:29

Gotta agree with Gwlad. I've met many fantastic Americans but their border guards completely put me off visiting the USA.

by Gwlad Wed 17 May - 21:18

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:You seem to, rather typically, be conflating wealth and greatness.

Nope one example is enough for the UK...I'll save other things such as Culture..Sporting prowess and military operations for arguments with bigger fish like China.

Afternoon Pr4wn..

Culture - America has very little original culture. It destroyed its indigenous culture and almost everything else is imported European culture, jazz aside.
Sporting prowess - USA is superb at sports no one else participates in. NFL, NBA, MLB etc but crap at soccer, rugby, cricket etc.
Military operations- disturbing to see this even posited as a benchmark of greatness but since its economy needs a decent scrap every 10 years one can see why some fools think this is something to shout about. Lost in Vietnam but in both WW1 and WW2 turned up eventually to tip the balance and then claimed victory. Rolling Eyes

The rest of the time it has vicarious wars with its chosen enemy of the week using small countries to have them where it gets itself into a mess and bails.

by **Galted** Wed 17 May - 21:58

average Brit wrote:
I hate you Amewica! You are howwid and nasty and tewwible and... and... and howwid and no-one likes you and everyone likes us cos we are so much lovelier. And you are all gweat big fat fatties and you are ugly and Butlins is much nicer than Disneyland and our schoolchildwen don’t shoot each other cos we only give them knives and Blackpool is ever so much nicer than Vegas and Bwitish football is five times much nicer than Amewican football and wugby men are much bwaver than Amewican football men and our geogwaphy is much better than yours cos we all know where Ibiza is and Hawwy Potter is much nicer than Donald Twump and the Queen is much nicer than Kim Kardashian and Superman doesn’t count cos he’s not weal and evewyone knows we are much clevewer than you and much bettewer than you at evewyfing. So there!

average American wrote:
Awesome, Dude. Where is Britain? In London?

by Gwlad Wed 17 May - 22:08

Galted wrote:
average Brit wrote:
I hate you Amewica! You are howwid and nasty and tewwible and... and... and howwid and no-one likes you and everyone likes us cos we are so much lovelier. And you are all gweat big fat fatties and you are ugly and Butlins is much nicer than Disneyland and our schoolchildwen don’t shoot each other cos we only give them knives and Blackpool is ever so much nicer than Vegas and Bwitish football is five times much nicer than Amewican football and wugby men are much bwaver than Amewican football men and our geogwaphy is much better than yours cos we all know where Ibiza is and Hawwy Potter is much nicer than Donald Twump and the Queen is much nicer than Kim Kardashian and Superman doesn’t count cos he’s not weal and evewyone knows we are much clevewer than you and much bettewer than you at evewyfing. So there!

average American wrote:
Awesome, Dude. Where is Britain? In London?

That's about right though you really need to get that lisp sorted out, it's embarrassing.

by lfc91 Thu 18 May - 7:36

Gwlad wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:You seem to, rather typically, be conflating wealth and greatness.

Nope one example is enough for the UK...I'll save other things such as Culture..Sporting prowess and military operations for arguments with bigger fish like China.

Afternoon Pr4wn..

Culture - America has very little original culture. It destroyed its indigenous culture and almost everything else is imported European culture, jazz aside.
Sporting prowess - USA is superb at sports no one else participates in. NFL, NBA, MLB etc but crap at soccer, rugby, cricket etc.
Military operations- disturbing to see this even posited as a benchmark of greatness but since its economy needs a decent scrap every 10 years one can see why some fools think this is something to shout about. Lost in Vietnam but in both WW1 and WW2 turned up eventually to tip the balance and then claimed victory. The rest of the time it has vicarious wars with its chosen enemy of the week using small countries to have them where it gets itself into a mess and bails.

Actually for a Country where 'Soccer' is the forgotten little brother of sports, they don't do half bad at it. Good showings at the last few World Cups.

Plus their Collegiate systems ability to continuously churn out world class track and field athletes is very impressive.

Now off to get a shower, wash away the dirty feeling that comes with defending Murica...

by Derbymanc Thu 18 May - 7:52

Worked with the Yank Navy a few times, out of their country and off their bases they can be the most obnoxious gits ever (a majority, not a minority) BUT on their own turf gotta say they're fantastic, dead friendly and some of the nicest people i've met.

by GSC Thu 18 May - 9:17

Rick Mueller named special counsel to the Russia investigation.

That wouldn't be the same Rick Mueller that delivered a to order report to the NFL during Deflategate so they could punish Brady would it.

by **navyblueshorts** Thu 18 May - 11:47

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Worth remembering that the constitution is a grey area when it comes to Impeachment......Presidents get impeached for "High crimes and misdemeanors"........Which is open to interpretation.....

Remember also that you need to have 2/3 of the Senate voting to impeach to get rid.......No easy feat..

Republicans already own the Senate....

Andrew Johnson (Took over from Lincoln) survived by one vote............Both Republicans and Dems hated him though..

The dollar is falling at the moment because of this Russian crap.........My guess is Economic uncertainty will be the catalyst for any move unless there is a smoking gun.

Hope I cleared this up for you....

True re. Houses, but do you have any feel for what'll happen in the 2018 mid-terms? If the GOP lose one (Senate more likely?) or both, Trump'll be in big doo-doo. He's also dicing with trouble re. all the legislative stuff they were hoping to get done for the same reason I would think.

by **navyblueshorts** Thu 18 May - 11:50

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm sure the Japanese are really grateful for those two atomic bombs.

Don't be daft. You're ignoring the historical context.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 18 May - 11:50

lfc91 wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:You seem to, rather typically, be conflating wealth and greatness.

Nope one example is enough for the UK...I'll save other things such as Culture..Sporting prowess and military operations for arguments with bigger fish like China.

Afternoon Pr4wn..

Culture - America has very little original culture. It destroyed its indigenous culture and almost everything else is imported European culture, jazz aside.
Sporting prowess - USA is superb at sports no one else participates in. NFL, NBA, MLB etc but crap at soccer, rugby, cricket etc.
Military operations- disturbing to see this even posited as a benchmark of greatness but since its economy needs a decent scrap every 10 years one can see why some fools think this is something to shout about. Lost in Vietnam but in both WW1 and WW2 turned up eventually to tip the balance and then claimed victory. The rest of the time it has vicarious wars with its chosen enemy of the week using small countries to have them where it gets itself into a mess and bails.

Actually for a Country where 'Soccer' is the forgotten little brother of sports, they don't do half bad at it. Good showings at the last few World Cups.

We managed to advance from the group stage and made it to the round of 16......If I remember rightly England were in our group.....

Which was a bit of luck...

by lfc91 Thu 18 May - 11:55

Being better than England at football is like being better than France at war...

by Hammersmith harrier Thu 18 May - 12:09

navyblueshorts wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm sure the Japanese are really grateful for those two atomic bombs.
Don't be daft. You're ignoring the historical context.

The historical context being that there is no justification for nuclear attacks, I view Hiroshima and Nagasaki as acts of terrorism.

For a bit of balance the Dresden bombings was also terrorism.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 18 May - 12:12

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm sure the Japanese are really grateful for those two atomic bombs.
Don't be daft. You're ignoring the historical context.

The historical context being that there is no justification for nuclear attacks, I view Hiroshima and Nagasaki as acts of terrorism..

I don't..

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