Ireland v France, Saturday, February 25

by rapidsnowman Thu 23 Feb 2017, 10:49 am

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2017 Saturday, February 25

Aviva Stadium, 4.50pm (live RTÉ Two/UTV/ITV/DMAX/FR2/RTÉ Radio 1)

IRELAND: Team to be confirmed

FRANCE: (from 15 to 1): Spedding - Huget, Lamerat, Fickou, Nakaitaci - Lopez, Serin - Picamoles, Gourdon, Le Roux - Maestri, Vahaamahina - Slimani, Guirado (cap), Baille

subs: Tolofua, Atonio, Ben Arous, Le Devedec, Ollivon, Machenaud, Chavancy, Camara.

Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Assistant Referees: Wayne Barnes, Luke Pearce (both England)
Television Match Official: George Ayoub (Australia)

Head-To-Head:

Played - 95
Ireland Won - 32
France Won - 56
Drawn - 7

Ireland v France - Results Since 2000:

2000: Ireland won 27-25, Paris
2001: Ireland won 22-15, Dublin
2002: France won 44-5, Paris
2003: Ireland won 15-12, Dublin; France won 43-21, Melbourne
2004: France won 35-17, Paris
2005: France won 26-19, Dublin
2006: France won 43-31, Paris
2007: France won 20-17, Dublin; France won 25-3, Paris
2008: France won 26-21, Paris
2009: Ireland won 30-21, Dublin
2010: France won 33-10, Paris
2011: France won 25-22, Dublin; France won 19-12, Bordeaux; France won 26-22, Dublin
2012: 17-17 draw, Paris
2013: 13-13 draw, Dublin
2014: Ireland won 22-20, Paris
2015: Ireland won 18-11, Dublin; Ireland won 24-9, Cardiff
2016: France won 10-9, Paris

by No 7&1/2 Mon 27 Feb 2017, 3:35 pm

Relatively yes. They upped the punishment for accidental contact.

by Guest Mon 27 Feb 2017, 3:39 pm

munkian wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
munkian wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
munkian wrote:Dirty dirty SOB

https://twitter.com/greub1/status/835536093151956997

Toner could be in trouble too.

You think elbowing a players leg away is really dirty? Hardly worth a citing.

Toner's action looked clumsy, but it's something they might want to look at.

Love the reaction of the French posters. The French aren't really known for fair play.

Neither are you lot.

And his leg ? Is Biology a sin over there ?

Depends on whether we are married or not.

I don't think Ireland have a reputation as a dirty team. More sinned against than sinning, I believe.

That's the sermon for the day. If you need any more theological advice you will have to wait

That would be an ecunemical matter

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by Guest Mon 27 Feb 2017, 3:43 pm

Scottrf wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Yeah nothing will come of either of those I'd guess. Although would want to see a longer clip to see if it was avoidable for Toner.

He has a right to try and jump over a player obstructing entrance to the ruck, hes not exactly agile so made a mess of it

Too many tacklers lay behind the ruck these days Im surprised more don't get clattered and injured
You have a responsibility for player safety no matter what you're allowed to do. You're allowed to kick the ball, but if a player's head is there it's a red.

Is that a new law?
Need an example? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2016/11/21/england-blow-joe-launchbury-hit-two-week-ban-kicking-will-miss/

Seen them not given. Thug-life Brown got away with kicking Murray on the head, but maybe there's a new directive.

by Guest Mon 27 Feb 2017, 3:46 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Relatively yes. They upped the punishment for accidental contact.

Thanks. I'm glad they did.

by GunsGermsV2 Mon 27 Feb 2017, 3:47 pm

Scottrf wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Yeah nothing will come of either of those I'd guess. Although would want to see a longer clip to see if it was avoidable for Toner.

He has a right to try and jump over a player obstructing entrance to the ruck, hes not exactly agile so made a mess of it

Too many tacklers lay behind the ruck these days Im surprised more don't get clattered and injured
You have a responsibility for player safety no matter what you're allowed to do. You're allowed to kick the ball, but if a player's head is there it's a red.

Is that a new law?
Need an example? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2016/11/21/england-blow-joe-launchbury-hit-two-week-ban-kicking-will-miss/

There are also examples where it didn't result in a red or a citing:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2013/0415/381486-oconnell-avoids-citing-over-kearney-kick/

by munkian Mon 27 Feb 2017, 3:50 pm

Plus whoever booted Liam Williams in the head during the England/Wales RWC match.

by Scottrf Mon 27 Feb 2017, 3:52 pm

munkian wrote:Plus whoever booted Liam Williams in the head during the England/Wales RWC match.

December 16 http://www.worldrugby.org/news/213339?lang=en

by GunsGermsV2 Mon 27 Feb 2017, 3:55 pm

Scottrf wrote:
munkian wrote:Plus whoever booted Liam Williams in the head during the England/Wales RWC match.
December 16 http://www.worldrugby.org/news/213339?lang=en

That report relates specifically to tackles and happened after the Launchbury citing. No?

by SecretFly Mon 27 Feb 2017, 3:56 pm

munkian wrote:Plus whoever booted Liam Williams in the head during the England/Wales RWC match.

Remind us. Who booted him in the head?

by Guest Mon 27 Feb 2017, 3:57 pm

Scottrf wrote:
munkian wrote:Plus whoever booted Liam Williams in the head during the England/Wales RWC match.
December 16 http://www.worldrugby.org/news/213339?lang=en

That's all about contact with the head during a tackle, unless I missed something.

by Scottrf Mon 27 Feb 2017, 4:04 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
munkian wrote:Plus whoever booted Liam Williams in the head during the England/Wales RWC match.
December 16 http://www.worldrugby.org/news/213339?lang=en

That report relates specifically to tackles and happened after the Launchbury citing. No?

Yes, apologies. So just jumping on a ruck, trampling and charging into a ruck without binding that he might be guilty of.

by GunsGermsV2 Mon 27 Feb 2017, 4:50 pm

Cant see the video at work but sounds very bad or you are exaggerating a lot.

I dont think Toner has ever been cited so the chances are you are exaggerating a lot.

by Scottrf Mon 27 Feb 2017, 4:51 pm

I already said I don't think anything will come of it, but I don't think it's exaggerating to say he could be guilty of any of those offenses.

by GunsGermsV2 Mon 27 Feb 2017, 4:52 pm

Scottrf wrote:I already said I don't think anything will come of it, but I don't think it's exaggerating to say he could be guilty of any of those offenses.

If you dont think he will be cited why are you making a big deal out of it?

by Scottrf Mon 27 Feb 2017, 4:53 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:I already said I don't think anything will come of it, but I don't think it's exaggerating to say he could be guilty of any of those offenses.

If you dont think he will be cited why are you making a big deal out of it?

I don't think I am but you keep asking questions.

by geoff999rugby Mon 27 Feb 2017, 5:29 pm

Neither SOB or Toner will be cited

Nothing whatsoever - move on

by SecretFly Mon 27 Feb 2017, 5:42 pm

Let them at it, Geoff.

It happens all of us at times - accusations made against our players that we have to listen to and debate our way through. It's all good. Let's hear what people have to say so that we can have our crack at it further down the line.

by Rory_Gallagher Mon 27 Feb 2017, 6:17 pm

I'm actually looking forward to the fiery encounter between Ireland and England this year. As much as people may loathe him, Eddie Jones has inspired confidence in the England team and given them a much needed winner's mentality. They used to be spineless and brainless - now he has managed to reduce it to just brainless. With that, he has been able to mould his zombies to win games.

Lancaster suits a team like Leinster a lot more. They like to play with their heads up and inject some pace in the game.

by thebandwagonsociety Mon 27 Feb 2017, 6:36 pm

munkian wrote:Dirty dirty SOB

https://twitter.com/greub1/status/835536093151956997

Toner could be in trouble too.

French player on the ground makes contact with Toner whose in the air... should have been a penalty to Ireland.... thankfully Toner didn't pass the horizontal and land on his neck or shoulders or it could have been serious. The french lad probably won't need to be cited for that bit of reckless play Whistle

by geoff999rugby Mon 27 Feb 2017, 6:38 pm

SecretFly wrote:Let them at it, Geoff.

It happens all of us at times - accusations made against our players that we have to listen to and debate our way through. It's all good. Let's hear what people have to say so that we can have our crack at it further down the line.

Best one I read on here was someone comparing Best (0 days of bans) with Ashton (over 6 months) and Hartley (over 1 year)
you couldn't make it up

by rapidsnowman Tue 28 Feb 2017, 12:30 pm

I could just look it up myself, but I thought I would try and keep this thread going just a little longer.

Any injuries from saturday we should be worried about?

Any chance we might see Payne back in for Wales?

Tumbleweed

by marty2086 Tue 28 Feb 2017, 12:32 pm

Joe is saying he's in contention with Buckley and Kilcoyne, Kearney is likely to be fit too

by SecretFly Tue 28 Feb 2017, 12:57 pm

Adam Byrne and Gilroy should be brought in as a surprise to stir up expectations of what Ireland will bring.

*waking from a pleasant dream of a fantasy Ireland* Oh sorry. Rabid woke me up suddenly. Where were we? Oh yes, phase play and see sawing.

by GunsGermsV2 Tue 28 Feb 2017, 1:23 pm

marty2086 wrote:Joe is saying he's in contention with Buckley and Kilcoyne, Kearney is likely to be fit too

Tony Buckley is back?

by marty2086 Tue 28 Feb 2017, 2:11 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Joe is saying he's in contention with Buckley and Kilcoyne, Kearney is likely to be fit too

Tony Buckley is back?

by GunsGermsV2 Tue 28 Feb 2017, 4:14 pm

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