6N 2017: England vs Scotland

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ENGLAND v SCOTLAND
Saturday 10th March
16:00 GMT
Twickenham Stadium

Live on ITV, RTE, FR2, DMAX

Referee - Matthieu Raynal
AR1 - Romain Poite
AR2 - Marius Mitrea
TMO - Ben Skeen

A. Head to Head

134 Played 134
74 Won 42
18 Drawn 18
42 Lost 74
1,562 Points 1,141

B. Recent Form

6 February 2016
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
9 – 15 to England

14 March 2015
Twickenham, London
25 – 13 to England

8 February 2014
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
0 – 20 to England

2 February 2013
Twickenham, London
38 – 18 to England

4 February 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
6 – 13 to England

C. Teams

ENGLAND


Starting XV:

15. Mike Brown (vice captain, Harlequins, 58 caps), 14. Jack Nowell  (Exeter Chiefs, 21 caps), 13. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 31 caps), 12. Owen Farrell (vice captain, Saracens, 50 caps), 11. Elliot Daly (Wasps, 11 caps), 10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 33 caps), 9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 68 caps), 1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 49 caps), 2. Dylan Hartley (captain, Northampton Saints, 82 caps), 3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 72 caps), 4. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 40 caps) , 5. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 56 caps), 6. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 10 caps), 7. James Haskell (Wasps, 73 caps) , 8. Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 6 caps).

Finishers

16. Jamie George (Saracens, 15 caps), 17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 40 caps), 18. Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 6 caps), 19. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 48 caps), 20. Billy Vunipola (vice captain, Saracens 32 caps), 21. Danny Care (Harlequins, 69 caps), 22. Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 6 caps), 23. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 24 caps).

SCOTLAND


Starting XV

15. Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) – 51 caps; 16 tries, 3 pens, 89 points
14. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 34 caps; 15 tries, 75 points
13. Huw Jones (Stormers) – 6 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps; 6 tries, 30 points
11. Tim Visser (Harlequins) – 29 caps; 12 tries, 60 points
10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 5 cons, 8 pens, 44 points
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 3 caps

1. Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps
2. Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 23 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 7 caps
4. Richie Gray (Toulouse) – 63 caps; 3 tries, 15 points
5. Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
6. John Barclay CAPTAIN (Scarlets) – 58 caps; 4 tries, 20 points
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 8 caps; 1 try, 5 points
8. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps

Substitutes:
16. Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) – 105 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
17. Allan Dell (Edinburgh Rugby) – 6 caps
18. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh Rugby) – 1 cap
19. Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 27 caps; 1 try, 5 points
20. Cornell Du Preez (Edinburgh Rugby) – uncapped
21. Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 4 tries, 3 pens, 29 points
22. Duncan Weir (Edinburgh Rugby) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 7 cons, 10 pens, 1 drop, 57 points
23. Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 6 tries, 30 points

funnyExiledScot wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Farrells kicking form hasnt exactly been great recently

His been spending too much time playing Fifa at home instead of down his local park kicking like Wilko used too.

Congratulations. It had been at least 6 hours since an England rugby fan mentioned Jonny Wilkinson.....

Should Farrell miss out, I do think England will cope fine. Either Slade or Teo would do a decent job at 12.

We should mention Dan Parks for balance...

So was Wilkos try vs Scotland a few years back really a try or was he in touch?

Deffo touch heh

Gooseberry wrote:Farrells kicking form hasnt exactly been great recently

Worst stats in the 6 nations.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Farrells kicking form hasnt exactly been great recently

Worst stats in the 6 nations.

Hogg is at 0%.

We need a new thread.

Scottrf wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Farrells kicking form hasnt exactly been great recently

Worst stats in the 6 nations.

Hogg is at 0%.

He isnt a regular kicker so doesn't count.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Farrells kicking form hasnt exactly been great recently

Worst stats in the 6 nations of the players I choose.

Hogg is at 0%.

He isnt a regular kicker so doesn't count.

Ok then, FTFY.

Any updates on Farrell?

Rugbyjk wrote:Any updates on Farrell?

He'll be okay - EJ.

Scottrf wrote:

Rugbyjk wrote:Any updates on Farrell?

He'll be okay - EJ.

Faz is good to go.

Cool, ta.

As am i, come on England!

Build up to this game has felt rather long...

I may have a problem finding time to watch this though - it's my daughter's 5th birthday tomorrow and we have family visiting, so I suspect we may be out and about doing stuff on Saturday afternoon. Will record the game, but then have the difficulty of avoiding the score until I get time to watch it (probably after everyone else is in bed.

dummy_half wrote:Build up to this game has felt rather long...

I may have a problem finding time to watch this though - it's my daughter's 5th birthday tomorrow and we have family visiting, so I suspect we may be out and about doing stuff on Saturday afternoon. Will record the game, but then have the difficulty of avoiding the score until I get time to watch it (probably after everyone else is in bed.

Same here, but I'm a man and I'm not moving from the sofa!

CDP

CDP.......

Mon the CDP!!!

Massive point for him to prove.

Totally up for this!

TightHEAD wrote:So was Wilkos try vs Scotland a few years back really a try or was he in touch?

One of the worst decisions ever made - he was so far in touch and the ball so far away from being touched down - that fact it went to the TMO and they still gave it, was criminal - they should be sacked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yRM46g0Mp4

A dark day for the integrity of the sport

TightHEAD wrote:

dummy_half wrote:Build up to this game has felt rather long...

I may have a problem finding time to watch this though - it's my daughter's 5th birthday tomorrow and we have family visiting, so I suspect we may be out and about doing stuff on Saturday afternoon. Will record the game, but then have the difficulty of avoiding the score until I get time to watch it (probably after everyone else is in bed.

Same here, but I'm a man rubbish dad and I'm not moving from the sofa!

Fixed.

I had my daughter's sixth birthday last Sunday so luckily it didn't clash with anything.  Absolutely no-way I would have shirked the task or organising it for a rugby match though.

Due to a disagreement with my wife about my other daughter's birthday in January, I ended up doing absolutely everything for this one. All the food including cake, party bags, decorations and party games.  At least 2 days of solid work but definitely worth it.

R!skysports wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:So was Wilkos try vs Scotland a few years back really a try or was he in touch?

One of the worst decisions ever made - he was so far in touch and the ball so far away from being touched down  - that fact it went to the TMO and they still gave it, was criminal  - they should be sacked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yRM46g0Mp4

A dark day for the integrity of the sport

The try awarded to Ben Smith vs Ireland in Chicago was equally bad. Half his leg was in touch.

Classic TMO blunder.

des wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:

dummy_half wrote:Build up to this game has felt rather long...

I may have a problem finding time to watch this though - it's my daughter's 5th birthday tomorrow and we have family visiting, so I suspect we may be out and about doing stuff on Saturday afternoon. Will record the game, but then have the difficulty of avoiding the score until I get time to watch it (probably after everyone else is in bed.

Same here, but I'm a man rubbish dad and I'm not moving from the sofa!

Fixed.

I had my daughter's sixth birthday last Sunday so luckily it didn't clash with anything.  Absolutely no-way I would have shirked the task or organising it for a rugby match though.

Due to a disagreement with my wife about my other daughter's birthday in January, I ended up doing absolutely everything for this one. All the food including cake, party bags, decorations and party games.  At least 2 days of solid work but definitely worth it.

Harsh Des! I'll let them watch it too.

More than generous Tighthead!

Ah but was the TMO mistake any worse than the Scottish fringe defence. They made the break by Ellis pretty easy to do.

LondonTiger wrote:Ah but was the TMO mistake any worse than the Scottish fringe defence. They made the break by Ellis pretty easy to do.

yes, he had multiple time to look at his mistake

Our defence only had the one opportunity to be completely rubbish :-)

R!skysports wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Ah but was the TMO mistake any worse than the Scottish fringe defence. They made the break by Ellis pretty easy to do.

yes, he had multiple time to look at his mistake

Our defence only had the one opportunity to be completely rubbish :-)

I think you'll find that Scotland had approximately 2,193 opportunities to be rubbish in defence between the years 2000 and 2016, and took every single one of them. At least we have been consistent.

Scottish rugby, RIP January 1st, 2000; resurrected March 11th 2017.

Had to post - loving the banter on this thread

PS I think this is the first match I've ever looked forward to in Scottish rugby history (I started watching in, yep, 2000). No feeling of doom or dread associated with either having expectations we "should" win but probably won't (against teams like Italy of recent past) or feeling of doom or dread associated with knowing we're about to get our asses handed to use (against most other teams of recent past).

We may get thumped (we may not) but even if we get thumped I'm sure we'll play well. Even if we don't play well, we've played pretty well throughout the tournament up until that point. It feels good.

Also Spring is slowly coming round.

TightHEAD wrote:So was Wilkos try vs Scotland a few years back really a try or was he in touch?

Wilkinson scored a try?? That deserves a thread of its own!

That 'try' was an absolute joke. Donal Courtney's finest hour!

Easy FES, that's blasphemy.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:So was Wilkos try vs Scotland a few years back really a try or was he in touch?

Wilkinson scored a try?? That deserves a thread of its own!

5 test tries in a year and half in his prime

Post 2002 ...that was the only one. And it shouldnt have counted.

Just goes to show how much getting repeatedly beaten up by South Africans took out of him.

Oh you mean in 2002 at HQ when the boks knew they didn't stand a chance so tried just being dirty? Wasn't enough though eh?!

Wasn't that a year before England won the World Cup? I remember that.

Year we beat boks 53-3 I seem to remember.

Oh, and beat em in pool stages 2003.

Still, at least we've never lost to Italy eh?!

This thread has been Inverdaled

Ha

I reckon you're all just Inverdale on separate accounts!

No, I would like to think we have some knowledge of rugby thanks.

Oh balls, just realised Nicol will probs be about... What channel is it on?

dummy_half wrote:Build up to this game has felt rather long...

I may have a problem finding time to watch this though - it's my daughter's 5th birthday tomorrow and we have family visiting, so I suspect we may be out and about doing stuff on Saturday afternoon. Will record the game, but then have the difficulty of avoiding the score until I get time to watch it (probably after everyone else is in bed.

As someone with a 3pm kick off, I'm going to find it difficult to watch the first half without tactically pulling a hamstring.

Now split between recording the game at home and rushing straight home for my game, or going into the clubhouse and trying to pick up on the second half. Neither ideal.

On ITV! No Andy Nicol!!

Woah, this desktop version of this forum has just gone screwy - the acid's kicked in.

It's ok on mobile.

IanBru wrote:Woah, this desktop version of this forum has just gone screwy - the acid's kicked in.

Yeah it's terrible at the moment. Hope this isn't a long term change

Horrible why is it so big? the old version was very discrete

One of the Founders is playing around with the site - I'll see if we can change it back....

So, does this only go up to 999 messages then? Are they trying to increase it?