Glasgow and Edinburgh: Ongoing Banter Thread 16 - Good Luck, We're All Counting On You

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CHAMPIONS CUP
QUARTER FINAL
SARACENS v GLASGOW WARRIORS
Sun, Apr 2, 13:00, Allianz Park

CHALLENGE CUP
QUARTER FINAL
EDINBURGH v LA ROCHELLE
Fri, March 31, 19:00, Murrayfield Stadium


"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."

[Guest]

Edinburgh are basically either playing very well and keeping ball in hand and scoring or just having a breather and telling La Rochelle they can have this one. I feel like I'm watching NFL where they sub on an entirely different team every 5 minutes - but one is good and the other is mince.

Cockers is going to eat this team alive next season if they do this, seriously.

19-26 to La Rochelle now. Weir is on so game is over anyway

[Guest]

It is a pretty "Scottish" game though (at least the Scottish teams in the past couple of years) - you go ahead and score and we'll try score more.

[George Carlin]

Anyone have a stream for this game? I miss seeing Ross Ford unable to kick his own arse.

[Guest]

It does feel like La Rochelle are a bit complacent. They could have wrapped this up by half time if they stayed switched on. So you never know. Weir though. About as much attacking prowess as a weir.

[Guest]

Anyone have a stream for this game? I miss seeing Ross Ford unable to kick his own arse.

DMed you

[tigertattie]

Duncan weir. Oh dear

[Guest]

That's a penalty try surely

[Guest]

That was going to sit up into his hands to be honest.

La Rochelle about 10 penalties in the red zone this match - it's good play but far too many penalties

[Guest]

Oh well, that's that.

Nearly but not quite from Edinburgh. They need to be coached to play with the intensity they've shown in fits here more consistently throughout the season. I don't even mean high intensity ... just not "completely switched off" territory.

[BigGee]

What a frustrating performance from Edinburgh.

Completely blasted away in the first quarter, got themselves back into the game and then blew their chance when it was it was on.

If only they could start to hold their form under pressure and not make so many mistakes. They are pretty close, but nowhere near the cigar.

Something to work on for Cockers though, not all gloom and doom.

[RuggerRadge2611]

What was weir doing wrong?

[tigertattie]

Oooooooo

La Rochelle are being investigated for fielding 15 players when thier prop was in the sin bin! They could be looking at being disqualified

[TJ]

Tigertattie -Where did you read that? I can't find anything.

On swinson and gilcrest - yes I have no time for either. Both huge penalty machines who keep on letting their team mates down. time to give Toolis a chance for Scotland. There is no point inplaying someone who consistently costs you games with stupid penalties

[George Carlin]

Oooooooo

La Rochelle are being investigated for fielding 15 players when thier prop was in the sin bin! They could be looking at being disqualified

Tattie - if this is an April Fool, then I make sure that are the nipples of a tiger again for a v long time.

[cakeordeath]

Oooooooo

La Rochelle are being investigated for fielding 15 players when thier prop was in the sin bin! They could be looking at being disqualified

[TJ]

Doh!

[tigertattie]

Nipples it is then

[cakeordeath]

Nipples it is then

I am upset at GC for letting the cat out of the bag early

[A Simply Mesmeric Try]

Anyone see Blair Kinghorn's non-tackle v the La Rochelle scrumhalf that made the whole stadium wince?
It was a real shocker. Fullback is last line of defence ffs!

[Nematode]

Anyone know where the likes of Scholes, Junior, Allen, Kennedy, Tofilau and Helu have gone?

[George Carlin]

Anyone know where the likes of Scholes, Junior, Allen, Kennedy, Tofilau and Helu have gone?

Apparently Cockers called them to his board meeting in Edinburgh without telling them that underneath them was a pool of angry seabass with big fricking laserbeams attached to their heads.

[funnyExiledScot]

Duncan weir. Oh dear

Nice pithy summary of his career (apart from one game for Scotland A of course).

[funnyExiledScot]

Anyone see Blair Kinghorn's non-tackle v the La Rochelle scrumhalf that made the whole stadium wince?
It was a real shocker. Fullback is last line of defence ffs!

I'm sorry to hear that, I have very high hopes for Kinghorn, and I hope it's a one off.

I missed the game. Did anyone show up for Edinburgh, aside from the ever consistent Hamish Watson?

[tigertattie]

Hard to call FES

CDP had a couple of good runs and made some yards and put people into gaps but thats about it.

If Cockers was using this game as a bench mark to see how players rise to an occasion, then Duncan Weir and Christine could very well have played themselves on to the transfer list! Sam H-C is another who had a stinker. I don't know if Cockers will be able to turn things around or if there is an inbred culture of laziness surrounding Edinburgh!

I was listening to the commentary on BBC Scotland and Peter Wright (who granted is more comedian than font of information) was ranting away about how its not just the players who need to be looked at but what is Dobson, Scotty J and Petrie doing to justify thier salaries!

There was also some Irish fella at halftime who was lambasting the Edinburgh players and saying they were simply not good enough talents to play pro rugby. He singled out Christine (recurring theme here) and also Kinghorn (maybe a one off due to his non-tackle) as players who shouldn't be playing pro rugby!

[funnyExiledScot]

That is harsh on Kinghorn, who has been pretty decent this season when I've seen him. He's getting a lot of rugby under his belt given his age and prior experience (remember he's a converted stand off) and I wouldn't be writing him off yet.

Weir really annoys me. We've ditched Bezzy, Leonard and Francis over the years, all of whom looked sharper and more talented than Weir. I'd be tempted to look at Kinghorn at 10 again.

As for Christine, he's an honest striver, and the type of player who would have won Scotland caps in the 2000s. He should never have been promoted ahead of Michael Allan however, and possibly Tofilau and Rasolea as well. I think he should stick to 12, where he can stick his head down and run into people. Burleigh is much better than him obviously, but Burleigh appears to be regressing at Edinburgh so by next season they might be on a par.

[tigertattie]

I'm not sure Kinghorn at 10 is the right place for him! Or for Edinburgh!!!

Who would we plug into 15 if Kinghorn moved to 10?

This is why I also think that Adam hastings should be coming to Edinburgh instead of the soap dodgers! He could be fighting it out for a starting spot at Edinburgh where at Glasgow he'll be fighting for a bench spot. Mind you, we don't want to ruin the boy!

I really hope cockers can come in and turn things around at Edinburgh. He needs to clear out the whole lot of existing coaching staff, especially the defense coaches!!!

Scotland need a strong Edinburgh

[RuggerRadge2611]

Edinburgh's pack is strong, especially at full strength. With Weir at 10 though we will never be anything more than "limited".

If Hastings goes anywhere other than Edinburgh it will be an error, Edinburgh need him far more than Glasgow.

On the subject of Weir, what has happened to him, he can bring out some good performances, but he just seems utterly rancid at the moment.

[funnyExiledScot]

Edinburgh's pack is strong, especially at full strength. With Weir at 10 though we will never be anything more than "limited".

If Hastings goes anywhere other than Edinburgh it will be an error, Edinburgh need him far more than Glasgow.

On the subject of Weir, what has happened to him, he can bring out some good performances, but he just seems utterly rancid at the moment.

Everyone drops a level when they put on an Edinburgh shirt. Weir's problem was that the level he was at prior to putting on that XXL Edinburgh jersey wasn't exactly great, even surrounding by World Class colleagues.

I've been saying the Edinburgh pack is good for ages now, but I cannot remember the last time they outplayed the opposition (it would have been under Solomons). Good on paper and good in reality seem to now diverge. We badly need Nel and Dicko back to boss the scrums (and in Nel's case, score the tries).

[EST]

Edinburgh's pack is strong, especially at full strength. With Weir at 10 though we will never be anything more than "limited".

If Hastings goes anywhere other than Edinburgh it will be an error, Edinburgh need him far more than Glasgow.

On the subject of Weir, what has happened to him, he can bring out some good performances, but he just seems utterly rancid at the moment.

The problem with that is that he will be starting ten at a club going through (yet another) transitional period, with a huge amount of pressure on relatively young shoulders. This has honestly nothing to do with my Weegie alegiance, but would it not be better for him and Scottish rugby to be playing No.2 behind Rusell, and being coached by Rennie and O'Halloran? With Russell being away with Scotland team, he is still likely to pick up 8 or so starts a season.

[EST]

I should add that I don't think continuing with Weir is tenable either - Edinburgh need to go out an sign an experienced, proven performer. They haven't had one of those in far too long.

[RuggerRadge2611]

Edinburgh's pack is strong, especially at full strength. With Weir at 10 though we will never be anything more than "limited".

If Hastings goes anywhere other than Edinburgh it will be an error, Edinburgh need him far more than Glasgow.

On the subject of Weir, what has happened to him, he can bring out some good performances, but he just seems utterly rancid at the moment.

The problem with that is that he will be starting ten at a club going through (yet another) transitional period, with a huge amount of pressure on relatively young shoulders. This has honestly nothing to do with my Weegie alegiance, but would it not be better for him and Scottish rugby to be playing No.2 behind Rusell, and being coached by Rennie and O'Halloran?  With Russell being away with Scotland team, he is still likely to pick up 8 or so starts a season.  

Bullplop, I'd want him starting as many games as possible, perhaps at 12 or on the wing untill he finds his feet. I certainly don't want him stagnating behind Russell or if he is excellent Russell stagnating behind him.

Edinburgh need a playmaking 10 more than Glasgow who already have one, and Peter Horne who can slot in there.

Edinburgh are currently getting the urine extracted and unless they want the club to become a total laughing stock something needs to be done.

Signing young Hastings is a statement of intent, that the powers concerned might want to develop something other than 10 man rugby.

[EST]

Edinburgh's pack is strong, especially at full strength. With Weir at 10 though we will never be anything more than "limited".

If Hastings goes anywhere other than Edinburgh it will be an error, Edinburgh need him far more than Glasgow.

On the subject of Weir, what has happened to him, he can bring out some good performances, but he just seems utterly rancid at the moment.

The problem with that is that he will be starting ten at a club going through (yet another) transitional period, with a huge amount of pressure on relatively young shoulders. This has honestly nothing to do with my Weegie alegiance, but would it not be better for him and Scottish rugby to be playing No.2 behind Rusell, and being coached by Rennie and O'Halloran?  With Russell being away with Scotland team, he is still likely to pick up 8 or so starts a season.  

Bullplop, I'd want him starting as many games as possible, perhaps at 12 or on the wing untill he finds his feet. I certainly don't want him stagnating behind Russell or if he is excellent Russell stagnating behind him.

Edinburgh need a playmaking 10 more than Glasgow who already have one, and Peter Horne who can slot in there.

Edinburgh are currently getting the urine extracted and unless they want the club to become a total laughing stock something needs to be done.

Signing young Hastings is a statement of intent, that the powers concerned might want to develop something other than 10 man rugby.

I'm not suggesting Edinburgh don't need somebody better, but I personally don't think Hastings is the type of player they need. He has very limited professional experience and is only just starting his pro career, it's a huge ask to chuck a 20yr old into the team and expect him to lead a team from fly-half - we realistically have no idea if he is capable. Edinburgh need somebody they know can perform right from the get-go.

[tigertattie]

To me this is where the SRU are going badly wrong!

Weir, deemed not good enough for Glasgow so sent to Edinburgh.
Bennett, deemed not good enough for Glasgow so sent to Edinburgh.

Glasgow are getting the signings like Jones and Hastings while Edinburgh are getting the Glasgow rejects. This is a complete change to the old days where the Edinburgh rejects were sent to Glasgow.

I honestly think that the Edinburgh forwards have decided to chuck in the towel! Why bother winning the ball to give to Duncan Weir to kick out on the full or for Christine to kick the ball dead instead of passing to the winger when we have an overlap???

Why bother defending and smacking your opposition back when in two passes time your opposition will be attacking your backline players who will just fall off them like blind pensioners.

Edinburgh need a good 9 and a good 10. Burleigh is a decent 12 and we know that Bennett can be great at 13. This year I've seen nothing from our wingers to justify their places. Brown is limited at best and Hoyland, while good in attack, is weak defensively. Kinghorn is worth continuing with at 15.

Until we get a decent 10 then the other backline players become spectators. Hamish Watson is the senior player worth his salary at the club just now and thats because he fights to get the ball and isn't relying on wee duncy providing him with it!

[RuggerRadge2611]

Edinburgh's pack is strong, especially at full strength. With Weir at 10 though we will never be anything more than "limited".

If Hastings goes anywhere other than Edinburgh it will be an error, Edinburgh need him far more than Glasgow.

On the subject of Weir, what has happened to him, he can bring out some good performances, but he just seems utterly rancid at the moment.

The problem with that is that he will be starting ten at a club going through (yet another) transitional period, with a huge amount of pressure on relatively young shoulders. This has honestly nothing to do with my Weegie alegiance, but would it not be better for him and Scottish rugby to be playing No.2 behind Rusell, and being coached by Rennie and O'Halloran?  With Russell being away with Scotland team, he is still likely to pick up 8 or so starts a season.  

Bullplop, I'd want him starting as many games as possible, perhaps at 12 or on the wing untill he finds his feet. I certainly don't want him stagnating behind Russell or if he is excellent Russell stagnating behind him.

Edinburgh need a playmaking 10 more than Glasgow who already have one, and Peter Horne who can slot in there.

Edinburgh are currently getting the urine extracted and unless they want the club to become a total laughing stock something needs to be done.

Signing young Hastings is a statement of intent, that the powers concerned might want to develop something other than 10 man rugby.

I'm not suggesting Edinburgh don't need somebody better, but I personally don't think Hastings is the type of player they need.  He has very limited professional experience and is only just starting his pro career, it's a huge ask to chuck a 20yr old into the team and expect him to lead a team from fly-half - we realistically have no idea if he is capable.  Edinburgh need somebody they know can perform right from the get-go.

Tovey and Weir will still be there, unless FES has his butler take Weir out...

[EST]

Edinburgh's pack is strong, especially at full strength. With Weir at 10 though we will never be anything more than "limited".

If Hastings goes anywhere other than Edinburgh it will be an error, Edinburgh need him far more than Glasgow.

On the subject of Weir, what has happened to him, he can bring out some good performances, but he just seems utterly rancid at the moment.

The problem with that is that he will be starting ten at a club going through (yet another) transitional period, with a huge amount of pressure on relatively young shoulders. This has honestly nothing to do with my Weegie alegiance, but would it not be better for him and Scottish rugby to be playing No.2 behind Rusell, and being coached by Rennie and O'Halloran?  With Russell being away with Scotland team, he is still likely to pick up 8 or so starts a season.  

Bullplop, I'd want him starting as many games as possible, perhaps at 12 or on the wing untill he finds his feet. I certainly don't want him stagnating behind Russell or if he is excellent Russell stagnating behind him.

Edinburgh need a playmaking 10 more than Glasgow who already have one, and Peter Horne who can slot in there.

Edinburgh are currently getting the urine extracted and unless they want the club to become a total laughing stock something needs to be done.

Signing young Hastings is a statement of intent, that the powers concerned might want to develop something other than 10 man rugby.

I'm not suggesting Edinburgh don't need somebody better, but I personally don't think Hastings is the type of player they need.  He has very limited professional experience and is only just starting his pro career, it's a huge ask to chuck a 20yr old into the team and expect him to lead a team from fly-half - we realistically have no idea if he is capable.  Edinburgh need somebody they know can perform right from the get-go.

Tovey and Weir will still be there, unless FES has his butler take Weir out...

Perhaps FES has a colonial Elephant gun tucked which might just about do the job...

In my view, Tovey and Weir are both a couple notches down from good enough to start, but would provide backup-just about.

[tigertattie]

Tovey seemed promising when he arrived but has caught Edinburghitis and has gone backwards over the season!

I'm still hoping that Hodge was patient zero and once he's removed form the picture all our players will recover and will be able to do things like give a try scoring pass, execute an attack move and exploit an overlap!

[R!skysports]

Tovey seemed promising when he arrived but has caught Edinburghitis and has gone backwards over the season!

I'm still hoping that Hodge was patient zero and once he's removed form the picture all our players will recover and will be able to do things like give a try scoring pass, execute an attack move and exploit an overlap!

It would be nice for Edinburgh to get back to playing good rugby, both for their sake, but also Scotlands

It has almost become cruel to take the piss out of them now - which is no fun for us over at the Rugby side of Scotland

[jimbopip]

Well, on the bright side...the Warriors have anice soft landing after the turbulence of Sunday.
Away to Munster.
Without Jonny or Swinson.
Or Furra Linee, from the way he limped out of Allianz. His left knee was very heavily strapped, but I can't remember if that's the one he crocked against the Boks.
Away to Munster and defeat will surely put us out of the play offs.
As Buddy Holly said, "It's raining.....raining in my heart"

[George Carlin]

Well, on the bright side...the Warriors have anice soft landing after the turbulence of Sunday.
Away to Munster.
Without Jonny or Swinson.
Or Furra Linee, from the way he limped out of Allianz. His left knee was very heavily strapped, but I can't remember if that's the one he crocked against the Boks.
Away to Munster and defeat will surely put us out of the play offs.
As Buddy Holly said, "It's raining.....raining in my heart"

Oh Love sacks. 4 games to go and Munster have 3 of them at home.

Post-Sarries, perhaps they will rest some players.

Or perhaps we will adopt the plan in Blackadder Goes Forth - "our only hope is if the Germans kill so many of us, they become slightly depressed."

[tigertattie]

If Glasgow fail to get into the playoffs and having now been dispatched from Europe. Would this season be seen as a bit of a failure given their firepower and resources?

[R!skysports]

If Glasgow fail to get into the playoffs and having now been dispatched from Europe. Would this season be seen as a bit of a failure given their firepower and resources?

It is a tough one that

Getting the the Quarters a big Plus

Not getting into the play offs a big minus

Winning the 1872 Cup - a tiny positive (for Glasgow - a huge deal for the prawn brigade)

So all in all it would be an ok season, but not great


I think an argument is how many of the Scotland squad come from Glasgow, which I think negates the resources point. Not many teams could cope with that many from the squad leaving.

Please Edinburgh get better

[jimbopip]

Nice one George.
I forgot to mention that Bluto has probably worn a Glasgow jersey for the last time; he was saying that he could be fit for the final but probably not before. Sounds like I spoke with him when I didn't.
Also, George go check my post post-Sarries it should warm your heart.

[BigGee]

Darcy Graham, Blair Kinghorn and Grayson Hart all off to play sevens in HK this weekend and presumably for the weekend after in Singapore. Robbie nairn, who is strongly rumoured to be coming to Glasgow next season is playing as well.

Hart is presumably a squad filler, as there have been a few injuries.

Darcy Graham could be electric at sevens and deserves a bit of a jolly after his heroics in the U20s, he will then get a bit of a break before the U20s WC this summer.

For Kinghorn, maybe it has been recognised that he is a little bit stale and a change of scenary might revive him a bit. He has been taking a bit of flak these past few weeks but we should not forget that he is only 19 and should certainly not be expected to carry a poorly performing Edinburgh team. It won't do him any harm, nor will make any great difference to Edinburgh, if he misses the next few weeks. he is still U20 eligable and while it was thought that he might go with the full squad this summer, it may be more likely that he plays the WC with the juniors and gets his Mojo back. He is a talent and needs to be looked after.

[tigertattie]

Anyone writing off Kinghorn now is a bit of a silly banana as my 2 year old nephew would say!

He's 19. not only is he still learning, he's still developing!

I'd let him go on the world cup as it will give him more experience and also playing with his peers may let him relax a bit more. The only thing is though, is that Hogg should be going on the Lions tour and Maitland could be going too so that would leave us with Murchie at 15.

or we could get Centurion Sean to step up for one last time?

[jimbopip]

Tiger, after the Sarries game one Warrior asked him if we'd see him turning out next season. The reply was succinct,
"Fecc off, I'm done."

[tigertattie]

Tiger, after the Sarries game one Warrior asked him if we'd see him turning out next season. The reply was succinct,
"Fecc off, I'm done."

Ahhhhh but the tour isn't next season! It's at the end of this season!

Sean could rock up for Scotland one last time!

[jimbopip]

I'm sure if he did he'd be big Down Under.

Try the veal, and don't forget to tip your waitress.

[tigertattie]

I see what you did there!

you here all week?

But aye, I'm sure against an incredibly poor rugby playing nation like italy we could turn the match into a Slong testimonial!

We could even roll out Mossy and so he's not left out, Chinhook can captain the side

[George Carlin]

Nice one George.
I forgot to mention that Bluto has probably worn a Glasgow jersey for the last time; he was saying that he could be fit for the final but probably not before. Sounds like I spoke with him when I didn't.
Also, George go check my post post-Sarries it should warm your heart.

It did indeed - thanks very much.

Rugby people are the best of people, I have no doubt about that.

It's the best team sport that there is. You need to be a fully rounded person to let people knock you on your arse and then shake hands afterwards.

Mighty men and women. The cream.

[Hazel Sapling]

The argument for Hastings going to Edinburgh is one I understand. I remember a young, talented fly half who played well for Bath and found himself supplanted. He went to Edinburgh and struggled before leaving. How many remember Tom Heathcote's time?

Edinburgh need a new coaching staff and attitude. A clear out of both coaching and playing staff should ensue.

Chris Dean is not good enough at the moment and may need a season at a lower level. This is what London Scots is for. Has Fergusson got on well, Eejit? It needs to be viewed as a staging ground to bring late bloomers through. I doubt LS will complain if the SRU send them too many players.

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