Argentina vs England, 1st Test

Match Details

Venue: Estadio del Bicentenario, San Juan
Date: Saturday 10th June
Time: 20:15 BST
TV: BBC2



Officials

Referee - Nigel Owens (Wales)
Ass 1 - John Lacey (Ireland)
Ass 2 - Egon Seconds (SA)
TMO - Aaron Paterson (NZ)


Teams

Argentina - 15 Joaquin Tuculet, 14 Matias Moroni, 13 Matias Orlando, 12 Jeronimo de la Fuente, 11 Emiliano Boffelli, 10 Nicolas Sanchez, 9 Martin Landajo, 1 Lucas Noguera Paz, 2 Agustin Creevy (c), 3 Enrique Pieretto, 4 Matias Alemanno, 5 Tomas Lavanini, 6 Pablo Matera, 7 Javier Ortega Desio, 8 Juan Manuel Leguizamon.

Replacements: 16 Julian Montoya, 17 Santiago Garcia Botta, 18 Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro, 19 Guido Petti, 20 Leonardo Senatore, 21 Gonzalo Bertranou, 22 Juan Martin Hernandez, 23 Ramiro Moyano.



England - 15 Mike Brown, 14 Marland Yarde, 13 Henry Slade, 12 Alex Lozowski, 11 Jonny May, 10 George Ford, 9 Danny Care; 1 Ellis Genge, 2 Dylan Hartley (c), 3 Harry Williams, 4 Joe Launchbury, 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Mark Wilson, 7 Tom Curry, 8 Nathan Hughes.

Replacements: 16 Jack Singleton, 17 Matt Mullan, 18 Will Collier, 19 Nick Isiekwe, 20 Don Armand, 21 Jack Maunder, 22 Piers Francis, 23 Denny Solomona.

Thanks for thread.too many players to list on who I'm looking forward to seeing. Both props curry solomona and maunder are the biggies.

Cheers LT.

Genge has a big challenge against a strong starting TH and another very good TH on the bench.

Hartley vs Creevy is a big match-up.

It's a very physical Argentina back row for Tom Curry to face up against at only 19.

It should be a very interesting and closely fought game. I'm looking forward to this one!

Argentina missing some big players, we certainly have a good chance.

Can't wait for Beshocked to see that Yardes been picked!

Otherwise it's a really exciting team.

Slightly concerned by 10,12,13 defensively. And what they'll do if they are closed down by an aggressive defence. I can see a lot of kicking, or else turnovers, if Argentina get to them behind the gain line.

You've missed it on the other thread Yappy.

Apparently Lozowski is a beast in defence so we'll be fine.

king_carlos wrote:Cheers LT.

Genge has a big challenge against a strong starting TH and another very good TH on the bench.

Hartley vs Creevy is a big match-up.

It's a very physical Argentina back row for Tom Curry to face up against at only 19.

It should be a very interesting and closely fought game. I'm looking forward to this one!

He did not bad against a pretty decent trio for the Baa Baas. PLus don't forget he'll have the machine that is Mark Wilson with him who wont take a backward step and let Curry do the technical breakdown stuff (much like Robshaw does when he plays!)

Sgt_Pooly wrote:You've missed it on the other thread Yappy.

Apparently Lozowski is a beast in defence so we'll be fine.

The trouble with "beasts" is that they can't think quick enough, I would prefer that he was a bigger version of Ford and made his tackles without going backwards, that backrow is very mobile and will be covering closely enough to drive back any ground made through the tackle. If the Argies knock him back without support they will get turned over.

I am a great fan of Wilson as well, he does everything to a very good standard and with Underhill could cause them a lot of problems.

Here were the size and weights of a certain well known midflield:
1.78m 89kg
1.93m 100kg
1.85m 102kg.

Guess which one was the hardest tackler? (Hint: his tackle on Mortlock at the start of the RWC would have been an instant yellow today).

You don't have to be hyowge to be an effective defender.

Poorfour wrote:Here were the size and weights of a certain well known midflield:
1.78m 89kg
1.93m 100kg
1.85m 102kg.

Guess which one was the hardest tackler? (Hint: his tackle on Mortlock at the start of the RWC would have been an instant yellow today).

You don't have to be hyowge to be an effective defender.

Covfefe?

Poorfour wrote:Here were the size and weights of a certain well known midflield:
1.78m 89kg
1.93m 100kg
1.85m 102kg.

Guess which one was the hardest tackler? (Hint: his tackle on Mortlock at the start of the RWC would have been an instant yellow today).

You don't have to be hyowge to be an effective defender.

Rugby has moved on from 15 or so years ago.

I agree you don't have to be big to be an effective defender but having one physical player from 10-13 can help.

That's why jones has been praying for Manu and has brought T'eo into the fray.

I still think Sam James is worth a look.

Exactly GF, a physical option is needed. Te'o looks pretty good, love Manu to come back.

Poorfour wrote:Here were the size and weights of a certain well known midflield:
1.78m 89kg
1.93m 100kg
1.85m 102kg.

Guess which one was the hardest tackler? (Hint: his tackle on Mortlock at the start of the RWC would have been an instant yellow today).

You don't have to be hyowge to be an effective defender.

Agree with all of that (except the spelling...) I do think that at least Ford doesn't try to go for the big hit and is therefore more effective at making the tackle, although he won't stop anyone on the gain line, except for Alex Goode. He also shouldn't get hurt as often as JW did.

As above I'd feel happier with a big lump in the centers, but I think we'll manage.

Im pretty sure Jones probably didn't expect T'eo to go to the Lions and probably had him penned in to start at 12 in Argentina....

Poorfour wrote:Here were the size and weights of a certain well known midflield:
1.78m 89kg
1.93m 100kg
1.85m 102kg.

Guess which one was the hardest tackler? (Hint: his tackle on Mortlock at the start of the RWC would have been an instant yellow today).

You don't have to be hyowge to be an effective defender.

Isn't that a pretty big midfield?! 100kg seems like a decent bit of timber for the midfield and a LOT more than our current selection. Still, we have to use what we have I suppose.

Poorfour wrote:Here were the size and weights of a certain well known midflield:
1.78m 89kg
1.93m 100kg
1.85m 102kg.

Guess which one was the hardest tackler? (Hint: his tackle on Mortlock at the start of the RWC would have been an instant yellow today).

You don't have to be hyowge to be an effective defender.

Compared to the current lot that's huge.

Ford - 84kg
Slade - 87kg
Lozowski - 92kg

I've trained in all sports...from boxing to martial arts, powerlifting and rugby.

I've witnessed many times that size can mean everything...or it can mean nothing.
There's so many variables including mental attitude.

Lets take that famous midfield for example.
Tindall was 6'1 and 16st and Greenwood was 6'4 and 16st yet there was a very clear difference in their physicality on the pitch. They balanced so well. And of course they had JW at 10 who himself was far more physical on the pitch than his size would suggest him capable.

Personally I like a real tough un in the midfield. And I'll say again that's why Jones was desperate for Manu to come back and why he's brought t'eo in . Of course he's almost playing himself into a starting spot with the Lions.....imagine for England in the autumn

10 Farrell
12 T'eo
13 Joseph

That has some physicality about it.

GeordieFalcon wrote:I've trained in all sports...from boxing to martial arts, powerlifting and rugby.

I've witnessed many times that size can mean everything...or it can mean nothing.
There's so many variables including mental attitude.

Lets take that famous midfield for example.
Tindall was 6'1 and 16st and Greenwood was 6'4 and 16st yet there was a very clear difference in their physicality on the pitch. They balanced so well.  And of course they had JW at 10 who himself was far more physical on the pitch than his size would suggest him capable.

Personally I like a real tough un in the  midfield. And I'll say again that's why Jones was desperate for Manu to come back and why he's brought t'eo in . Of course he's almost playing himself into a starting spot with the Lions.....imagine for England in the autumn

10 Farrell
12 T'eo
13 Joseph

That has some physicality about it.

And who knows, maybe after a decent pre season and a few months injury free (we can only hope) Manu might actually be in the mix come 2018 6N.

Interesting times ahead. We are not that far away from pretty much only having Billy as confirmed first choice.

If Tuilagi ever gets back we have a serious team.

Well I'm not holding my breath for manu. And Teo might fight for that spot,

I'm not sure we have and bull dogs in the midfield aside from those two.

Sam James is 6'4 and 15st but probably more like Greenwood than Roberts/ Manu/

Come on boys....time to put some markers on the 30 players missing and that first XV Team!

Catch the ball Yarde after we've all defended you ha ha

Andy Robinson.......jesus.

Id say England will lose this one. This is a good pumas side

We look like what we are a makeshift side....

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Andy Robinson.......jesus.

Is he?! You'd have thought with the ability to perform miracles he'd have had more success as an international coach....

I thought the hit wasn't employed in the scrum anymore.

Argentina keep doing it

I'll still go with england will win this...though I'm not liking the director and camera men...or Andy bloody Robinson.

Commentry is dreadful.

Scrum getting a bit of a hiding so far.

Was two turnovers by curry on the trot...or was the second one Wilson?

2 by curry

I didnt see any???

Thought it was.

The boy is a real hope isn't he.

Two clean poaches Sgt....mcCaw would have been proud.

Alright Yarde is useless.

You sure? Seen him get the loose ball but the other was a knock on I thought

Loose ball. Counts. Then a proper over the ball turnover.

Yeah yarde is gash!

Nah sarge two clean poaches.

Needs hartley and Launchbury to calm the pack down a little. Test for them as the experienced guys.

Big carry from Wilson. GF happy I'm sure.

Where is Hughes explosiveness gone dance he's come you international level?

Scottrf wrote:Big carry from Wilson. GF happy I'm sure.

Yes mate he's not afraid to do that!

GeordieFalcon wrote:Where is Hughes explosiveness gone dance he's come you international level?

Start on the shandies during the Lions game?

And mark just won that aswell...that's where he's so good in the tight!

Scottrf wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Where is Hughes explosiveness gone dance he's come you international level?

Start on the shandies during the Lions game?

Speckled hen mate. Bloody predictive text.

Seen that one! C'mon Wilson

Wow Yarde is world class!

National treasure scores!

Enjoying this half.

There's that pace that Lozowski is lacking