The Trump Presidency

by **Pr4wn** Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:41 pm

First topic message reminder :

Assault rifle.

That is not self-defence.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:41 am

Gwlad wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:If that's a serious response, you need help.

Canadian wit, just knocks it out of the park every time

If you think that's wit, you have a problem. Either that or you fail to appreciate what's lost in a written 'joke' cf. one delivered face-to-face.

by Gwlad Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:08 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:If that's a serious response, you need help.

Canadian wit, just knocks it out of the park every time
If you think that's wit, you have a problem. Either that or you fail to appreciate what's lost in a written 'joke' cf. one delivered face-to-face.

I generally don't expect to find wit and Canadian in the same sentence.

by **superflyweight** Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:17 pm

Gwlad wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:If that's a serious response, you need help.

Canadian wit, just knocks it out of the park every time
If you think that's wit, you have a problem. Either that or you fail to appreciate what's lost in a written 'joke' cf. one delivered face-to-face.

I generally don't expect to find wit and Canadian in the same sentence.

And yet you've used wit and Canadian in the same sentence in two separate posts.

by **Galted** Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:37 pm

superflyweight wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:If that's a serious response, you need help.

Canadian wit, just knocks it out of the park every time
If you think that's wit, you have a problem. Either that or you fail to appreciate what's lost in a written 'joke' cf. one delivered face-to-face.

I generally don't expect to find wit and Canadian in the same sentence.

And yet you've used wit and Canadian in the same sentence in two separate posts.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:49 pm

Republican politicians have the same problem Labour mps have...The leader gets his support from a demographic that doesn't usually vote in high numbers....Non voters that turned out...I bet Labour didn't even campaign in places like Kensington.

Getting rid without alienating these people won't be easy.

by Gwlad Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:57 pm

superflyweight wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:If that's a serious response, you need help.

Canadian wit, just knocks it out of the park every time
If you think that's wit, you have a problem. Either that or you fail to appreciate what's lost in a written 'joke' cf. one delivered face-to-face.

I generally don't expect to find wit and Canadian in the same sentence.

And yet you've used wit and Canadian in the same sentence in two separate posts.

See, the rarity of it deserves acknowledgment. Thanks for making my point again.

by Samo Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:51 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Republican politicians have the same problem Labour mps have...The leader gets his support from a demographic that doesn't usually vote in high numbers....Non voters that turned out...I bet Labour didn't even campaign in places like Kensington.

Getting rid without alienating these people won't be easy.

The only reason the GOP wont impeach Trump is that they risk losing control of the House of Congress.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:00 pm

Nice to see you posting Samo...

Politicians losing their seats and the houses changing hands are obviously related.....

One follows the other....But I imagine if you're a 130 grand Senator being topped up by big pharma and other special interest groups to 300 grand a year.

Your 6 bedroomed house and garage of flash cars are your first priority.

by Samo Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:02 pm

I was almost certain he wouldnt see out his term, but the amount of Poopie that slides off his back is frightening. For one reason or another I reckon we're stuck with him for his 4 years.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:22 am

Samo wrote:I was almost certain he wouldnt see out his term, but the amount of Poopie that slides off his back is frightening. For one reason or another I reckon we're stuck with him for his 4 years.

Yep...unless he's impeached or otherwise convicted of something. He thinks he has to 'win' at everything, that quitting would be indicative of 'defeat' and he just doesn't give a scheiss about anyone except himself. He's never grown (mentally) beyond a very spoilt teenager going through puberty.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:30 am

He won't be convicted of anything........Moved aside and Pence will pardon him for "Acts he may or may not have committed"....Following the Gerald Ford precedent in 1974..

My guess is Trump would be told the impeachers had the numbers and then given the option of the 25th amendment......Where he could retire on medical grounds..

Remember Scooter Libby ??/// He should have been in jail for life yet Bush pardoned his mate straight away.

I think the Presidential pardon is a disgrace........It is so undemocratic..

But there you go..

by **Pr4wn** Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:30 pm

It is a rather dictatorial power.

Also, I really don't understand why he's still having all these rallies, it's so strange.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:44 pm

Pr4wn wrote:It is a rather dictatorial power.

Also, I really don't understand why he's still having all these rallies, it's so strange.

Not if you're Trump, it's not. He must have the affirmation, all the time and everywhere. Insecure little prat.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:00 pm

Number 1 TV show...Three best selling books..and President of the USA by smashing both establishment machines..

"Insecure little Prat"...really.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:32 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Number 1 TV show...Three best selling books..and President of the USA by smashing both establishment machines..

"Insecure little Prat"...really.

None of the above is in contradiction of the assertion that he's insecure. 'Little prat' is my honorific, based on his behaviour over the last 5 or so years. Thoroughly deserved I'd say.

by Scottrf Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:37 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Number 1 TV show...Three best selling books..and President of the USA by smashing both establishment machines..

"Insecure little Prat"...really.
None of the above is in contradiction of the assertion that he's insecure. 'Little prat' is my honorific, based on his behaviour over the last 5 or so years. Thoroughly deserved I'd say.

Did he sleep with your wife? You seem a bit obsessed.

by mikey_dragon Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:38 pm

Trump needs lots of rallies, he's that popular Smile

.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:39 pm

He's vain I'll give you that..............He graduated from Wharton............He built a 4 billion empire by hard negotiation and taking risks...........He had the number 1 show in the uSA.....Wrote plenty of best sellers....and became President as an outsider..

Can't think of many insecure people that have risen to such lofty heights..

by mikey_dragon Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:52 pm

It's a success story for sure, a bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger's who is always on Trumps case lately. I'm not really a fan of celebrities talking about politics because it seems like they're trying to use their status to sway political views without actually caring about the working-class. I'm sure I'm not the only one to think that? Still love Arnie though.

by **Hero** Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:54 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:It's a success story for sure, a bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger's who is always on Trumps case lately. I'm not really a fan of celebrities talking about politics because it seems like they're trying to use their status to sway political views without actually caring about the working-class. I'm sure I'm not the only one to think that? Still love Arnie though.

So basically Trump then?

by mikey_dragon Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:55 pm

Hero wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:It's a success story for sure, a bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger's who is always on Trumps case lately. I'm not really a fan of celebrities talking about politics because it seems like they're trying to use their status to sway political views without actually caring about the working-class. I'm sure I'm not the only one to think that? Still love Arnie though.

So basically Trump then?

I suppose it could be seen like that, but he actually went into politics, and all the way to the top. A lot of celeb reactions to the announcement of the presidential election results were quite poor.

by Scottrf Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:56 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
Hero wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:It's a success story for sure, a bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger's who is always on Trumps case lately. I'm not really a fan of celebrities talking about politics because it seems like they're trying to use their status to sway political views without actually caring about the working-class. I'm sure I'm not the only one to think that? Still love Arnie though.

So basically Trump then?

I suppose it could be seen like that, but he actually went into politics, and all the way to the top. A lot of celeb reactions to the announcement of the presidential election results were quite poor.

Arnie also went into politics...

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:06 pm

Reagan was a great President..He was a celebrity.

by mikey_dragon Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:08 pm

Scottrf wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:
Hero wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:It's a success story for sure, a bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger's who is always on Trumps case lately. I'm not really a fan of celebrities talking about politics because it seems like they're trying to use their status to sway political views without actually caring about the working-class. I'm sure I'm not the only one to think that? Still love Arnie though.

So basically Trump then?

I suppose it could be seen like that, but he actually went into politics, and all the way to the top. A lot of celeb reactions to the announcement of the presidential election results were quite poor.

Arnie also went into politics...

He sure did and he was a good governor. He's back to acting now, and probably real estate. Sometimes bodybuilding too when he's helping his son.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:11 pm

Strange argument where Corporations and media moguls can use power to sway.

Yet it is bad taste for celebrities to do the same.

Argument doesn't ride for me.

by **Pr4wn** Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:33 pm

Reagan and Thatcher were basically the architects of the neoliberal system that caused the financial crisis (eventually) and that has landed all of the rust belt in such dire straits.

by mikey_dragon Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:38 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Strange argument where Corporations and media moguls can use power to sway.

Yet it is bad taste for celebrities to do the same.

Argument doesn't ride for me.

I agree that corporations, banks, etc. can sway things to suit their own needs, but it's not really out in the open is it? I mean it's happening under everyone's nose yet nobody realises it. Celebs are more out there in the open and on social media doing it. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth for me. I remember hearing about Madonna's post result tweet and wondered to myself why the FBI/Secret Service didn't see it as a threat to the incoming POTUS.

*Edit, just read a source that says the secret service investigated over the comment! It wasn't a tweet.

by Scottrf Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:39 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Strange argument where Corporations and media moguls can use power to sway.

Yet it is bad taste for celebrities to do the same.

Argument doesn't ride for me.

I agree that corporations, banks, etc. can sway things to suit their own needs, but it's not really out in the open is it? I mean it's happening under everyone's nose yet nobody realises it. Celebs are more out there in the open and on social media doing it. It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth for me. I remember hearing about Madonna's post result tweet and wondered to myself with the FBI/Secret Service didn't see it as a threat to the incoming POTUS.

*Edit, just read a source that says the secret service investigated over the tweet!

Except on the TV, radio and every newspaper.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:40 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Reagan and Thatcher were basically the architects of the neoliberal system that caused the financial crisis (eventually) and that has landed all of the rust belt in such dire straits.

I wouldn't have voted for them.....But they are generally regarded as great leaders.......

"Celebrity" isn't a vocation...You generally become one by rising to the top of a certain profession...

If celebrity lawyer George Carman had wanted to be a politician.....It is isn't right.... but it is for a lesser lawyer to be one ??

Trump was a businessman.......Schwarzenegger a huge grossing Actor......

by Gwlad Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:01 pm

Pr4wn wrote:It is a rather dictatorial power.

Also, I really don't understand why he's still having all these rallies, it's so strange.

'Rallies'.....just like Nuremberg

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:09 pm

Gwlad wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:It is a rather dictatorial power.

Also, I really don't understand why he's still having all these rallies, it's so strange.

'Rallies'.....just like Nuremberg

Moving on.. Rolling Eyes

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:09 pm

Scottrf wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Number 1 TV show...Three best selling books..and President of the USA by smashing both establishment machines..

"Insecure little Prat"...really.
None of the above is in contradiction of the assertion that he's insecure. 'Little prat' is my honorific, based on his behaviour over the last 5 or so years. Thoroughly deserved I'd say.
Did he sleep with your wife? You seem a bit obsessed.

I doubt it - she's got too much self-respect.

Obsessed? Not so sure, but it's nothing that a coronary for Trump wouldn't fix...

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:15 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Number 1 TV show...Three best selling books..and President of the USA by smashing both establishment machines..

"Insecure little Prat"...really.
None of the above is in contradiction of the assertion that he's insecure. 'Little prat' is my honorific, based on his behaviour over the last 5 or so years. Thoroughly deserved I'd say.
Did he sleep with your wife? You seem a bit obsessed.
I doubt it - she's got too much self-respect.

Obsessed? Not so sure, but it's nothing that a coronary for Trump wouldn't fix...

Melania Trump was a top model and speaks 6 languages......I have plenty of respect for Melania...If you don't.

by Scottrf Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:16 pm

I'd say foaming at the mouth with everything you read about him and wishing him a heart attack counts as obsession.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:22 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's vain I'll give you that..............He graduated from Wharton............He built a 4 billion empire by hard negotiation and taking risks...........He had the number 1 show in the uSA.....Wrote plenty of best sellers....and became President as an outsider..

Can't think of many insecure people that have risen to such lofty heights..

I suspect you'd find quite a lot of 'insecure' people go on to become pretty 'successful'. The drive probably comes from that insecurity. You can't think of them because, generally, they don't strut about in public making it so obvious.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:25 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Number 1 TV show...Three best selling books..and President of the USA by smashing both establishment machines..

"Insecure little Prat"...really.
None of the above is in contradiction of the assertion that he's insecure. 'Little prat' is my honorific, based on his behaviour over the last 5 or so years. Thoroughly deserved I'd say.
Did he sleep with your wife? You seem a bit obsessed.
I doubt it - she's got too much self-respect.

Obsessed? Not so sure, but it's nothing that a coronary for Trump wouldn't fix...

Melania Trump was a top model and speaks 6 languages......I have plenty of respect for Melania...If you don't.

What's Melania got to do with whether my wife would sleep with Trump? Nothing.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:26 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's vain I'll give you that..............He graduated from Wharton............He built a 4 billion empire by hard negotiation and taking risks...........He had the number 1 show in the uSA.....Wrote plenty of best sellers....and became President as an outsider..

Can't think of many insecure people that have risen to such lofty heights..
I suspect you'd find quite a lot of 'insecure' people go on to become pretty 'successful'. The drive probably comes from that insecurity. You can't think of them because, generally, they don't strut about in public making it so obvious.

Insecure - Not confident......unsure about oneself...

Not easy to be strong at negotiating and a success in business ......and survive the slings and arrows of a Presidential run without those qualities....

by **Pr4wn** Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:30 pm

Stalin was about as insecure as any leader ever was. It led to his downfall, eventually.

by Gwlad Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:32 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's vain I'll give you that..............He graduated from Wharton............He built a 4 billion empire by hard negotiation and taking risks...........He had the number 1 show in the uSA.....Wrote plenty of best sellers....and became President as an outsider..

Can't think of many insecure people that have risen to such lofty heights..
I suspect you'd find quite a lot of 'insecure' people go on to become pretty 'successful'. The drive probably comes from that insecurity. You can't think of them because, generally, they don't strut about in public making it so obvious.

Insecure - Not confident......unsure about oneself...

Not easy to be strong at negotiating and a success in business ......and survive the slings and arrows of a Presidential run without those qualities....

Unless you are thick as shoite which also seems to be an eminently useful characteristic in the case of your pal.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:32 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Stalin was about as insecure as any leader ever was. It led to his downfall, eventually.

You mean the Russian leader from 1924 to his death in 1953

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:34 pm

Gwlad wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's vain I'll give you that..............He graduated from Wharton............He built a 4 billion empire by hard negotiation and taking risks...........He had the number 1 show in the uSA.....Wrote plenty of best sellers....and became President as an outsider..

Can't think of many insecure people that have risen to such lofty heights..
I suspect you'd find quite a lot of 'insecure' people go on to become pretty 'successful'. The drive probably comes from that insecurity. You can't think of them because, generally, they don't strut about in public making it so obvious.

Insecure - Not confident......unsure about oneself...

Not easy to be strong at negotiating and a success in business ......and survive the slings and arrows of a Presidential run without those qualities....

Unless you are thick as shoite which also seems to be an eminently useful characteristic in the case of your pal.

Moving on...

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:34 pm

Scottrf wrote:I'd say foaming at the mouth with everything you read about him and wishing him a heart attack counts as obsession.

You're free to think what you will.
Actually, I wouldn't give a damn but for the fact that America is a global power and what he does can affect so many. The lives of so many at the whim of someone who only cares about himself... picard

by Scottrf Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:35 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:I'd say foaming at the mouth with everything you read about him and wishing him a heart attack counts as obsession.
You're free to think what you will.
Actually, I wouldn't give a damn but for the fact that America is a global power and what he does can affect so many. The lives of so many at the whim of someone who only cares about himself...

Assassinate him then. Praying for a heart attack will get you nowhere.

by **Pr4wn** Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:37 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Stalin was about as insecure as any leader ever was. It led to his downfall, eventually.

You mean the Russian leader from 1924 to his death in 1953

You should do a bit of reading about Stalin. The way he maintained his grip over the Soviet Union looks eerily similar to Trump's tactics, though admittedly more brutal.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:38 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:I'd say foaming at the mouth with everything you read about him and wishing him a heart attack counts as obsession.
You're free to think what you will.
Actually, I wouldn't give a damn but for the fact that America is a global power and what he does can affect so many. The lives of so many at the whim of someone who only cares about himself...

But you don't know he only cares about himself....anymore than you know he is insecure.

Stick to points you can prove or you become as pointless as Gwlad.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:39 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Stalin was about as insecure as any leader ever was. It led to his downfall, eventually.

You mean the Russian leader from 1924 to his death in 1953

You should do a bit of reading about Stalin. The way he maintained his grip over the Soviet Union looks eerily similar to Trump's tactics, though admittedly more brutal.

I have and I know compared to other Russian leaders he was very successful...29 years in that Country is a success story in itself.

Most people wish they were that insecure.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:39 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's vain I'll give you that..............He graduated from Wharton............He built a 4 billion empire by hard negotiation and taking risks...........He had the number 1 show in the uSA.....Wrote plenty of best sellers....and became President as an outsider..

Can't think of many insecure people that have risen to such lofty heights..
I suspect you'd find quite a lot of 'insecure' people go on to become pretty 'successful'. The drive probably comes from that insecurity. You can't think of them because, generally, they don't strut about in public making it so obvious.

Insecure - Not confident......unsure about oneself...

Not easy to be strong at negotiating and a success in business ......and survive the slings and arrows of a Presidential run without those qualities....

I think you'll find there are many who, like Trump, bluster and gloss over anything negative as a function of their insecurity. You know, presenting a confident front to hide the reality.

OK, maybe not insecurity. Just a narcissist with some nasty lines in xenophobia and sexism thrown in for good measure - a true paragon of leadership and the ideal for POTUS. There was me, trying to at least be a little generous...

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:40 pm

Scottrf wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:I'd say foaming at the mouth with everything you read about him and wishing him a heart attack counts as obsession.
You're free to think what you will.
Actually, I wouldn't give a damn but for the fact that America is a global power and what he does can affect so many. The lives of so many at the whim of someone who only cares about himself...
Assassinate him then. Praying for a heart attack will get you nowhere.

Oh, I don't know. Fat SOB, in his 70s, highly stressful environment and notoriously poor dietary intake. You never know...

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:42 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's vain I'll give you that..............He graduated from Wharton............He built a 4 billion empire by hard negotiation and taking risks...........He had the number 1 show in the uSA.....Wrote plenty of best sellers....and became President as an outsider..

Can't think of many insecure people that have risen to such lofty heights..
I suspect you'd find quite a lot of 'insecure' people go on to become pretty 'successful'. The drive probably comes from that insecurity. You can't think of them because, generally, they don't strut about in public making it so obvious.

Insecure - Not confident......unsure about oneself...

Not easy to be strong at negotiating and a success in business ......and survive the slings and arrows of a Presidential run without those qualities....

I think you'll find there are many who, like Trump, bluster and gloss over anything negative as a function of their insecurity. You know, presenting a confident front to hide the reality.

OK, maybe not insecurity. Just a narcissist with some nasty lines in xenophobia and sexism thrown in for good measure - a true paragon of leadership and the ideal for POTUS. There was me, trying to at least be a little generous...

He's a narcissist and sensitive like Muhammad Ali was I'll give you that..................But you can be confident with those drawbacks....

I'll take your word on many people that bluster and gloss etc.....I don't know many people that intimately. Credit to you for being so socially successful. thumbsup

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:44 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:I'd say foaming at the mouth with everything you read about him and wishing him a heart attack counts as obsession.
You're free to think what you will.
Actually, I wouldn't give a damn but for the fact that America is a global power and what he does can affect so many. The lives of so many at the whim of someone who only cares about himself...

But you don't know he only cares about himself....anymore than you know he is insecure.

Stick to points you can prove or you become as pointless as Gwlad.

Yes, that's true. He might be a true gent in private; one could only hope. Nothing I've read about him and his past really suggests that's a major characteristic though and nothing really justifies his utterances and behaviour over the last few years.
His behaviour fits perfectly with insecurity and I'll continue to suspect that's what he is, but you're right, I can't know for certain.

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