The Trump Presidency

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Assault rifle.

That is not self-defence.

Ent wrote:In essence don't complain about bad stuff and just let it happen?

Seems like a terrible idea

There's complaining and there's telling people what to think. Some people don't know the difference.

I do hate people ho will double down just because they see someone as left or right wing. Judge the situation. Trump is an idiot. A bigot. A sexual harasser and worse.

Rick Gates, Trump's former consultant who we will no doubt be told was nothing but a low level coffee boy has pled guilty to like 50 charges, in an apparent plea deal with the FBI to turn on Paul Manafort, Trump's pro bono campaign manager. He will most likely turn out to be some guy Donald gave change that one time. Total nobody

Marky wrote:

Ent wrote:In essence don't complain about bad stuff and just let it happen?

Seems like a terrible idea

There's complaining and there's telling people what to think. Some people don't know the difference.

No, if you think trump is bad you should challenge him, his policies and what he gets up to.

Not wait around for him to make such a complete and utter mess of things that even his die hard support thinks he's doing a bad job (he'd have to Poopie on a US flag for some of them to even consider that).

Stupid idea.

Ent wrote:

Marky wrote:

Ent wrote:In essence don't complain about bad stuff and just let it happen?

Seems like a terrible idea

There's complaining and there's telling people what to think. Some people don't know the difference.

No, if you think trump is bad you should challenge him, his policies and what he gets up to.

Not wait around for him to make such a complete and utter mess of things that even his die hard support thinks he's doing a bad job (he'd have to Poopie on a US flag for some of them to even consider that).

Stupid idea.

You've got the wrong end of the stick mate

I'm not saying you shouldn't challenge Trump, I'm saying the anti-Trump people aren't just complaining about Trump, they're targeting Trump voters with their vitriol and it's only going to have the opposite effect.

Marky wrote:Well. Based on this thread (yes I read back, that's what happens when you're bored at work ) that a lot of people are desperate for Trump to fail (and no longer be President), so desperate that instead of sitting back, and letting him fail on his own, they're throwing everything at him to make him fail.

Not clear you meant his supporters with this.

But yes if you keep shouting people down and telling them they are wrong they will most likely reinforce their position, unfortunately.

Ent wrote:

Marky wrote:Well. Based on this thread (yes I read back, that's what happens when you're bored at work ) that a lot of people are desperate for Trump to fail (and no longer be President), so desperate that instead of sitting back, and letting him fail on his own, they're throwing everything at him to make him fail.

Not clear you meant his supporters with this.

But yes if you keep shouting people down and telling them they are wrong they will most likely reinforce their position, unfortunately.

Fair. But yeah by throwing everything at him, I include targeting his voters.

I do also include the Russia thing, which does smack of desperation. When Trump said Russia might hack the election, before the election, he was laughed at, but as soon as he won, now apparently it's plausible

NRA are an easy target but think the tide will turn on gun control in America in the next decade or so. Harder and harder to convince the younger generations they need a gun just because when people their age are victims.

Check out @amolrajanBBC’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/amolrajanBBC/status/956797525276680192?s=09

Trump wrote:"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon,"

He's crazy.

Remind me, how many drafts did he dodge?

Someone just hurry up and shoot the maggot.

Pr4wn wrote:Remind me, how many drafts did he dodge?

It's not even that, he's an obese 71 year old. God the absolute drivel he talks.

Ent wrote:

Trump wrote:"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon,"

He's crazy.

Maybe, but he's certainly a liar. No-one, but no-one, believes that statement above.

I really, really, really hope that this guy Peterson turns out to be telling the absolute truth and then goes after Trump and his weasel of a former boss with everything he legally can.

Actually, next time there is a shooting going on, maybe they can send Trump in and subsequently give the shooter some sort of commendation for doing the World a favour?

Come on Navy, I have few positive feelings about the guy but that's a step too far

GSC wrote:Come on Navy, I have few positive feelings about the guy but that's a step too far

Not really. He does more harm than a single life. I'm sure he'd be happy to sacrifice a soldier for the greater good.

navyblueshorts wrote:

Ent wrote:

Trump wrote:"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon,"

He's crazy.

Maybe, but he's certainly a liar. No-one, but no-one, believes that statement above.

I really, really, really hope that this guy Peterson turns out to be telling the absolute truth and then goes after Trump and his weasel of a former boss with everything he legally can.

Actually, next time there is a shooting going on, maybe they can send Trump in and subsequently give the shooter some sort of commendation for doing the World a favour?

No "Loser pays" system in the USA..

He can't afford to sue Trump

GSC wrote:Come on Navy, I have few positive feelings about the guy but that's a step too far

Sorry. You're probably right. I shouldn't have trivialised the shooting of school kids by conflating that with someone doing the U.S. and wider World a favour!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Ent wrote:

Trump wrote:"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon,"

He's crazy.

Maybe, but he's certainly a liar. No-one, but no-one, believes that statement above.

I really, really, really hope that this guy Peterson turns out to be telling the absolute truth and then goes after Trump and his weasel of a former boss with everything he legally can.

Actually, next time there is a shooting going on, maybe they can send Trump in and subsequently give the shooter some sort of commendation for doing the World a favour?

No "Loser pays" system in the USA..

He can't afford to sue Trump

What a system. Maybe some nice, rich, altruist will pay his fees?

Sanders is well to the right of Corbyn and he was called a Communist..

Afraid it is Extreme right vs right...

However Bernie like Corbyn ran the Establishment close..

Think the USA will have to start moving left..Both parties..

Sanders endorsement will be big in 2020....My guess is Liz Warren will get it.

Trump, rightfully, nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

Approval ratings for the Donald also on the increase.

Wonderful stuff.

The USA like the UK is hopeless divided..

However the Economy is improving....Tax bills have been paid and the phony bombing of Syria has helped no doubt with the hawkish tribes...

42% isn't bad......With the incumbency bonus he'd get in 2020 he has a decent shout if he can sustain..

Russia may be his Achilles heal...However..

Politics begins for most in their own homes....

Wouldn't be the first thicko to survive because of a growing economy.....

Just ask Ulysses Grant and Andrew Jackson..

NBC poll....

Trump approval rating..

Approve 44%...+5

7/10 think the Economy has improved under Trump...

44% think Trump should be credited with the improving Economy..

38% think Trump shouldn't...

These figures shouldn't upset the Democrats too much but they should be of slight concern..

The Democrats are a total shambles, their leader is completely invisible.

Bit like this side of the Pond. Incompetent incumbent(s), but an opposition that's sh1te.

After two years in office.....

Reagan and Obama were on 44%....

Worth remembering they had economies that were struggling though..

Trump is blessed with a self healing Economy....

Democrats still 10 points ahead Nationally though...

Trump gets his own type of voter and GOP voters with nowhere to go..

GOP lawmakers have the latter but not necessarily the former..

Trump has an 87% approval rating with the GOP Party.

That is the 2nd highest approval rating in his own Party since Eisenhower...

13 Presidents..

Interesting. GOP want power, whatever the cost. It may be that they damage themselves for the long term by supporting this clown regardless.
I'm sure you're right, sadly, re. the economy. Even though Trump has nothing to do with it, it's just about the money; especially in the USA.

The point is his approval rating is going up....

He has 87% approval rating in his own Party...

His overall approval rating is 44%..

Truman beat Dewey in 1948 with a 36% approval rating..

"It is the Economy stupid" Is becoming more pertinent an observation..

5/4 to win a 2nd term....Who would have thought that a year ago ??

Yeah, sadly I get all that. As I suggested, some people will allow anything in order to maintain their grip on power. It'll be interesting to see how these tariff shenanigans influence the US economy.
If he was on fire, I'd only cross the road to douse him in petrol.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:5/4 to win a 2nd term....Who would have thought that a year ago ??

Anyone who gets it.

Obvious in November 2016 that he was going to beat Clinton; equally obvious that he'll win a second term if he chooses to run again.

Donald getting stuff done with North Korea. Great leader, tremendous President.

If, by 'stuff', you mean giving a murderous dictator pretty much everything he wants, then yes, he's getting stuff done.

Shaking the hand of a despot after turning his back on his longest-standing allies.

"Great leader, tremendous President".

Trump, Putin and Kim. The NWO is here.

Unemployment fell by 281,000 in May....Stock Market 40% up since the Election....

Many an idiot has kept the Presidency with a growing economy (Calvin Coolidge..Andrew Jackson) and many an intellectual has been turfed out (Herbert Hoover..Grover Cleveland ) with a struggling one..

See how we go but if the Economy keeps growing....History favors the incumbent..

"Kids in Cages" hurting Trump's ratings...

Minus 5..... to Minus 14...and rightly so..

Better than May and Corbyn though it must be said.

Apples and Oranges

Or lemons in your case...

navyblueshorts wrote:Yeah, sadly I get all that. As I suggested, some people will allow anything in order to maintain their grip on power. It'll be interesting to see how these tariff shenanigans influence the US economy.
If he was on fire, I'd only cross the road to douse him in petrol.

That's why Americans need guns.... to protect themselves from Wackos with petrol cans.  Not all Liberals are decent atheist lawnmower users.  Ya gotta take some of 'em down for protection purposes.

PS.  Correct on first comment too.  Some people almost voted in Hillary Clinton just to keep their grip on power.  Thank God (or Meryl Streep if you're an atheist) that nightmare was halted...right?????

Well the Trump balloon was a massive let down. What a waste of money.

Childish to me but slightly funny for some I guess.

Don't get me wrong though. I'd like to see more proper balloons and airships in the air.
But go easy on the political statement bit... and don't get too corny either. But then there's art so almost anything goes. Especially these days.

Why don't protesters ever learn that the Beast (Trump) draws energy from eejits walking (or paragliding) with endless displays of mass produced 'spontaneous' Anti-Trump placards?

He loves being a rebel. He loves the slogans. He loves the attention. I think the last laugh, as we look back at this period in historic terms (perhaps in 50 or 60 years time) will be with Trump himself (or his ghost) as the early 21st century's overwrought worldwide paranoia and victimhood psychosis epidemic will be studied at Academic level pretty much as the Salem Witch trials might be studied and pretty much as the McCarthy witch hunts are studied.
If you're not publically TRAUMATISED by the Trump Presidency, you're probably a witch and need burning.

SecretFly wrote:Why don't protesters ever learn that the Beast (Trump) draws energy from eejits walking (or paragliding) with endless displays of mass produced 'spontaneous' Anti-Trump placards?

He loves being a rebel.  He loves the slogans.  He loves the attention.  I think the last laugh, as we look back at this period in historic terms (perhaps in 50 or 60 years time) will be with Trump himself (or his ghost) as the early 21st century's overwrought worldwide paranoia and victimhood psychosis epidemic will be studied at Academic level pretty much as the Salem Witch trials might be studied and pretty much as the McCarthy witch hunts are studied.
If you're not publically TRAUMATISED by the Trump Presidency, you're probably a witch and need burning.

I don't agree Fly. He needs to be loved by all. Remember when he got really annoyed by Sean O'Rourke when he asked him about his hair a few year ago.

The interesting thing actually about that interview (which was about his Hotel & Golf Club in Ireland), he actually he seemed to have a decent enough grasp of the subject matter - now he just sounds as if he is completely out of his depth.

Article here by Fintan O'Toole for the Irish Times which our British neighbours might find interesting.


Fintan O’Toole: Trial runs for fascism are in full flow
Babies in cages were no ‘mistake’ by Trump but test-marketing for barbarism
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375

America is doing okay with him Sin.  Just coz he don't quote Yeats or Shakespeare (in pompous speeches written by employed scriptwriters - like most of the rest of them have resorted to) don't mean he's out of his depth.  He's in his comfort zone.... it's the rest of the world that are on the valium ... and helium by the sounds of much of the endless protesting.
I like his gunslinger approach.  It's refreshing.  The world needed him to rattle the cages of the self-satisfied, self-righteous usual pontificators on all things moral, sexual, racial and scientific.  And BOY has he gotten a herd of those folks furious the world over.  I love it.  

Four More Years Please, Donald!

The Fintan O'Toole thing...Man, that guy needs to go back on his meds, as they might say in the grand ol' USA - he's been barking mad for decades.

Real clear politics...

Trump approval rating 43%.....

The lowest approval ratings of Presidents who got re-elected since ww2...(Poll before Election)

Truman 47
Bush 47
Obama 51

Wasn't there a shock on election night?

Shocks usually happen when polls trip over their own history.

Anyway, on that score - 43% - I'd say the plot-ists of his downfall are scratching their heads that he's still anywhere near the 40s despite their best, best efforts to drive the news agenda worldwide that he's barking mad, has a desire for a nice WW3, loves despots, is a despot and hates every sex and colour that isn't a Billionaire white sexist heterosexual who love golf.

43%?  STILL????

"What the hell do we gotta do with this guy to sink him??!!!" says Hillary from her secret Strategy Bunker in the Louisiana swamplands.
"Why don't we try an intern?," grunts Bill as he takes a swing of a nine iron, bored gutless listening to the endless conferences Hillary has with the worldwide News Editors Against Trump faction of the Factually Factful News Movement.

Rasmusson poll......13-15 Aug

Trump....

Approve 49%
Disapprove 50%

More popular than....Merkel...May....Macron.....Corbyn....

Make no mistake if he polls between 45-49 in 2020 he wins a second term......History has shown it is very hard to shift even a slightly unpopular sitting President half way through...Just ask Dewey....McClellan....Kerry..

A nightmare, but with any luck he'll be hamstrung having lost majorities in House and Senate.

Trump has got a big problem with this Cohen/Manafort business..

If he loses the Senate in November..

I will be staggered if Pence isn't President this time next year...Probably toast if he doesn't ..