Glasgow Warriors v Ospreys 9th September 2017

Glasgow warriors v Ospreys
Scotstoun Stadium
9th Sept 2017
KO at 15.15
Live on Sky Sports (I think)

Teams:

Glasgow Warriors

15. Ruaridh Jackson (114)
14. Lee Jones (55)
13. Alex Dunbar (100)
12. Peter Horne (116)
11. Rory Hughes (32)
10. Finn Russell (64)
9. Ali Price (43)

1. Jamie Bhatti (7)
2. George Turner (1)
3. Zander Fagerson (51)
4. Tim Swinson (98)
5. Scott Cummings (18)
6. Ryan Wilson (128) CAPTAIN
7. Callum Gibbins (0)
8. Adam Ashe (40)

Replacements:

16: Pat MacArthur (155)
17. Oli Kebble (1)
18. D'arcy Rae (24)
19. Brian Alainu’uese (16)
20. Matt Fagerson (10)
21. Henry Pyrgos (126)
22. Nick Grigg (21)
23. Leonardo Sarto (9)

Players unavailable for selection: Rob Harley (foot), Adam Hastings (thigh), Sam Johnson (head), Lelia Masaga (calf), Greg Peterson (knee), Fraser Brown (ankle), Jonny Gray (wrist), Stuart Hogg (shoulder), Paddy Kelly (ankle), Ratu Tagive (achilles), Richie Vernon (achilles) and Samuela Vunisa (knee).


Ospreys

15 Dan Evans

14 Keelan Giles

13 Kieron Fonotia

12 Cory Allen

11 Jeff Hassler

10 Sam Davies

9 Tom Habberfield



1 Paul James

2 Sam Parry

3 Ma’afu Fia

4 Bradley Davies

5 Lloyd Ashley

6 Olly Cracknell

7 Justin Tipuric (Capt)

8 James King



REPLACEMENTS

16 Scott Otten

17 Nicky Smith

18 Rhodri Jones

19 Adam Beard

20 Guy Mercer

21 Reuben Morgan-Williams

22 James Hook

23 Jay Baker






Well both sides got off to a winning start, though they were very different games. Glasgow grinding out a tough old win in biblical weather conditions in Galway, while Ospreys beat possibly the weakest team in the league at home without gaining an extra point. Neither game probably giving much away in terms of clues about how their respective seasons will pan out. Both team will be looking for improved performances this weekend. Hopefully the weather will oblige.

BigGee think we might see some more big players unleashed for us. The guys who played Saturday got a right old battering.

I think we will see a few changes over the first few games as he brings players back into the squad and tries out a few combos. He seemed genuinely impressed with the kids that played pre-season and probably feels that they deserve a chance in a real match. I don't see a genuine first team appearing until the euro games come along.

I fancy we might see Paddy Kelly take Johnson's spot for this week and I can see Callum Gibbons making his debut. Other than that it might be about who comes through training well as 21st said it certainly was a bruising old game. George Horne is surely going to get a start or a bench sometime soon as well, possibly this week.

As I said on the Connacht thread as well, Rennie has already said that Finn Russell is available for this match and as Hastings is going to be out, will either start or bench.

Thanks for the thread Gee. 

Anyone know of the current physical condition of St Shuggy of Jones? I recall that someone said he is playing already which would be a pretty amazing recovery from quite a nasty injury. I hope that Large Brian and Jonny Gray are back for this one because the O's have quite a meaty pack. Large portions, as my brother would say.

GC - no Johnny Gray as out for another 6 weeks. Kebble is probably bigger and heavier that their entire pack tbh.

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:GC - no Johnny Gray as out for another 6 weeks.   Kebble is probably bigger and heavier that their entire pack tbh.  

Incredibly Adam Nicol (128kg) is actually heavier than Kebble (124kg), and he's only 20 (this is based on Wikipedia so might not be 100% accurate), but if true then that is incredible. The lad is a monster. Big future in the game if he can utilise his size.

George Carlin wrote:Thanks for the thread Gee. 

Anyone know of the current physical condition of St Shuggy of Jones? I recall that someone said he is playing already which would be a pretty amazing recovery from quite a nasty injury. I hope that Large Brian and Jonny Gray are back for this one because the O's have quite a meaty pack. Large portions, as my brother would say.

Shuggy is over his injury and is playing up a storm for WP and scoring lots of tries. It does not look like he will be over in Glasgow before the Currie cup is played out though. Rennie mentioned him in his interview post the Connacht game, saying that he was likely going directly from WP to the Scotland squad for the AIs. He will join up with Glasgow after that.

He also said that he was expecting no more signings this season, putting the rather fanciful suggestions of a Naka return to bed, at least for this season, though we all live on in hope for the future!

EWT Spoons wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:GC - no Johnny Gray as out for another 6 weeks.   Kebble is probably bigger and heavier that their entire pack tbh.  

Incredibly Adam Nicol (128kg) is actually heavier than Kebble (124kg), and he's only 20 (this is based on Wikipedia so might not be 100% accurate), but if true then that is incredible.  The lad is a monster.  Big future in the game if he can utilise his size.

GC - I told you he was big!!!

Boys if we play anything like we did on Saturday you'll have a try BP before ht, I haven't posted on our thread since the game, the Ospreys Forum is imploding at a rate of knots, there is nobody justifying the existence of Steve Tandy as our Head Coach on there, we are not playing to a game plan and certainly very very few are playing for the jersey. It really is very depressing at the moment. Let me finally add that really Zebre should have won that game.

How many players were Ospreys missing Wayne?

BigGee wrote:

EWT Spoons wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:GC - no Johnny Gray as out for another 6 weeks.   Kebble is probably bigger and heavier that their entire pack tbh.  

Incredibly Adam Nicol (128kg) is actually heavier than Kebble (124kg), and he's only 20 (this is based on Wikipedia so might not be 100% accurate), but if true then that is incredible.  The lad is a monster.  Big future in the game if he can utilise his size.

GC - I told you he was big!!!

#AlternativeFact? 

He must have eaten most of East Kilbride since I last saw him. 

Either that or I could have propped for Scotland U20s.

Hazel Sapling wrote:How many players were Ospreys missing Wayne?

Sorry Hazel, but it's not the point, the first half we were marginally better, second we were blasted out of the breakdown and Zebre were far superior, the only player to want to be there for me and it's no surprise was Justin Tipuric, some idiot made our recent signing Cory Allen MOTM, yeh he looked good in open play, but on many occasions if he decided to pass none were of a professional standard, there was quite a few Welsh Internationals on view, and quite a few 1st choice from last season. The problem from me and many in the crowd was the attitude and what was learned from the end of last season implosion and warm up games. By the looks of it NONE

Apparently Rees Webb's CV is being touted around various French club's with a view to him moving to France next season, there was a major piece about it in L'Equipe today.

Is that suggestive of the general malaise going on in Swansea or was he always likely to go and chase a few Euros at this stage in his career? He has had a few bad injuries in the past, so you could hardly blame him for it.

wayne wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:How many players were Ospreys missing Wayne?

Sorry Hazel, but it's not the point, the first half we were marginally better, second we were blasted out of the breakdown and Zebre were far superior, the only player to want to be there for me and it's no surprise was Justin Tipuric, some idiot made our recent signing Cory Allen MOTM, yeh he looked good in open play, but on many occasions if he decided to pass none were of a professional standard, there was quite a few Welsh Internationals on view, and quite a few 1st choice from last season. The problem from me and many in the crowd was the attitude and what was learned from the end of last season implosion and warm up games. By the looks of it NONE

Am actually amazed that the Ospreys haven't lost Tipuric to a French club by now. Is he on a dual contract?

So, given that it was a bruising encounter on Saturday, what can we expect?

15. Ruaridh Jackson I think he'll continue. Ball in hand he's looked good: could have kicked more in the second half, though.

14. Lelia Masaga Same as Jackson really, should keep his place.
13. Alex DunbarHail the New Centurion!I can see him moving to 12/i]
12. Sam Johnson [i]Sadly hors de combat so probably Nick Grigg
11. Lee Jones Deserves to keep his place but may swap bench duty with Jean Paul

10. Peter Horne Has been playing well, Dancer to bench? Or start with Dancer and Horne covering 10&12 from bench?
9. Ali Price I can see Henners starting, Aldi was certainly value for money on Saturday but probably is totally cream crackered and needs to be benching.


1. Jamie BhattiStarted very well, then went backwards in a few scrums, then got a nasty gash beneath the eye. Kebble and Allan to share duties.

2. George Turner I just get the feeling Malcolm will start and the Effette One will bench.
3. Zander Fagerson Must be needing a rest after playing full 80.Rae and Nicol?

4. Tim Swinson Put in a hell of a shift, may be Friar Tucked. Not The :angel:to start.

5. Scott Cummings Really beginning to look the player we hoped he could be, may share game time with Oscar Peterson.
6. Ryan Wilson CAPTAIN Looking at the back row as a unit they played extremely well, but must be battered and bruised. If healthy should all start.
7. Matt Smith
8. Adam Ashe

Replacements:

16: George Turner
17. Adam Nicol
18. Alex Allan
19. Greg Peterson
20. Matt Fagerson
21. Aldi Price
22. Dancer!!!
23. Leonardo Sarto

George Carlin wrote:

wayne wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:How many players were Ospreys missing Wayne?

Sorry Hazel, but it's not the point, the first half we were marginally better, second we were blasted out of the breakdown and Zebre were far superior, the only player to want to be there for me and it's no surprise was Justin Tipuric, some idiot made our recent signing Cory Allen MOTM, yeh he looked good in open play, but on many occasions if he decided to pass none were of a professional standard, there was quite a few Welsh Internationals on view, and quite a few 1st choice from last season. The problem from me and many in the crowd was the attitude and what was learned from the end of last season implosion and warm up games. By the looks of it NONE

Am actually amazed that the Ospreys haven't lost Tipuric to a French club by now. Is he on a dual contract?

George he is like AWJ, if you cut him in half Ospreys would be across his inside, he has coached his local team Trebanos for a few years now, he's destined for great things, and NO he's never been on an NDC, he can't be with the great one already on one, whether he's been courted for a foreign transfer who knows, certainly wouldn't let anyone down.

Thanks Wayne.

Just seen that the Os might lose Ben John for this match if he's dinged by the citing panel for the mid-air collision he had with the Zebre full back.

George Carlin wrote:Thanks Wayne.

Just seen that the Os might lose Ben John for this match if he's dinged by the citing panel for the mid-air collision he had with the Zebre full back.

You could well be right about John, to me it looked a bit clumsy, but probably will get at least an 8 week ban. The unavailables (is that even a word) is growing Owen Watkin missed that match throuh HIA protocols, he could still make this game, we still have Allen, Fonotia and even move Hook over there. Our problems are not there it is mainly down to ATTITUDE.

Weather looks reasonable for this - maybe a shower of rain but mostly sunny. Certainly better than Galway on Saturday. Still it don't rain in the pub

Think Glasgow should win this one at a canter, and they're also a good bet to win this bloody thing with that squad and coach.

15. Ruaridh Jackson (114)
14. Lee Jones (55)
13. Alex Dunbar (100)
12. Peter Horne (116)
11. Rory Hughes (32)
10. Finn Russell (64)
9. Ali Price (43)

1. Jamie Bhatti (7)
2. George Turner (1)
3. Zander Fagerson (51)
4. Tim Swinson (98)
5. Scott Cummings (18)
6. Ryan Wilson (128) CAPTAIN
7. Callum Gibbins (0)
8. Adam Ashe (40)

Replacements:

16: Pat MacArthur (155)
17. Oli Kebble (1)
18. D'arcy Rae (24)
19. Brian Alainu’uese (16)
20. Matt Fagerson (10)
21. Henry Pyrgos (126)
22. Nick Grigg (21)
23. Leonardo Sarto (9)

Players unavailable for selection: Rob Harley (foot), Adam Hastings (thigh), Sam Johnson (head), Lelia Masaga (calf), Greg Peterson (knee), Fraser Brown (ankle), Jonny Gray (wrist), Stuart Hogg (shoulder), Paddy Kelly (ankle), Ratu Tagive (achilles), Richie Vernon (achilles) and Samuela Vunisa (knee).


Strong looking Glasgow team. As predicted a debut for Gibbins in the backrow and Finn Russell makes his comeback.

A few more injuries announced though, Paddy Kelly out for 12-16 weeks following ankle surgery.

and the Ospreys

15 Dan Evans

14 Keelan Giles

13 Kieron Fonotia

12 Cory Allen

11 Jeff Hassler

10 Sam Davies

9 Tom Habberfield



1 Paul James

2 Sam Parry

3 Ma’afu Fia

4 Bradley Davies

5 Lloyd Ashley

6 Olly Cracknell

7 Justin Tipuric (Capt)

8 James King



REPLACEMENTS

16 Scott Otten

17 Nicky Smith

18 Rhodri Jones

19 Adam Beard

20 Guy Mercer

21 Reuben Morgan-Williams

22 James Hook

23 Jay Baker

Paul James becomes the highest capped Osprey, after equaling Duncan Jones record last week he passes him this week, and both Tom Habberfield and Sam Davies make their 100th appearance for the Ospreys in this game well done to both. If the ATTITUDE is the same this week compared to last, we'll come away with nothing, the intensity has to be notched up a number of gears just to get a LBP. Could be an embarrassing afternoon, or will some shoots start to show themselves.

Well, with all due respect to our Welsh posters, I'll be disappointed if the Warriors don't win with something to spare tomorrow.

There's a couple of head to head match ups which look "interesting";
Hornee Furra Linee against Corey Allen
Callum Gibbins against Justin Tipuric.

I'm not too sure that the O's pair don't just edge that.
I've long been of the opinion that Tips is the best 7 in Wales, so it will be interesting to see how Half-Man Half-Mullet does against him.
Already Renzo seems to be setting out a gameplan that requires quick ball from the breakdown and the Glasgow backrow is very fast and dynamic. However, Tips is just the kind of 7 to relish playing against that.
As for Corey Allen, I think he's a class act and Hornee will need to be at his best to counter him.
however, I think Glasgow will be well on top in the front 5, and the replacements of Kebble-MacArthur-Rae with Not as ballast is no respite for a tiring O's pack.
If the Glasgow pack are on top and producing quick ball then Price-Russell could have a field day. So, if Tips has a blinder and if Allen stops Horne bringing the outside backs in then the O's have a chance.
But realistically a home win.

wayne wrote:Paul James becomes the highest capped Osprey, after equaling Duncan Jones record last week he passes him this week, and both Tom Habberfield and Sam Davies make their 100th appearance for the Ospreys in this game well done to both. If the ATTITUDE is the same this week  compared to last, we'll come away with nothing, the intensity has to be notched up a number of gears just to get a LBP. Could be an embarrassing afternoon, or will some shoots start to show themselves.

I had Sam Davies down as the new kid on the block and had no idea he had that kind of experience behind him. He can hardly be billed as the young pretender any. Surely with Biggar heading off to Stains he must fancy himself as the starting FH for Ospreys and Wales?

BigGee wrote:

wayne wrote:Paul James becomes the highest capped Osprey, after equaling Duncan Jones record last week he passes him this week, and both Tom Habberfield and Sam Davies make their 100th appearance for the Ospreys in this game well done to both. If the ATTITUDE is the same this week  compared to last, we'll come away with nothing, the intensity has to be notched up a number of gears just to get a LBP. Could be an embarrassing afternoon, or will some shoots start to show themselves.

I had Sam Davies down as the new kid on the block and had no idea he had that kind of experience behind him. He can hardly be billed as the young pretender any. Surely with Biggar heading off to Stains he must fancy himself as the starting FH for Ospreys and Wales?

Big Gee, Sam will be 24 in October, he does seem to have been around a long time to us Os supporters, he should be the starting 10 for us (Ospreys) for a few years, we have James Hook and a youngster named Luke Price below him, after Dan heads off to pastures new.

jimbopip wrote:Well, with all due respect to our Welsh posters, I'll be disappointed if the Warriors don't win with something to spare tomorrow.

There's a couple of head to head match ups which look "interesting";
Hornee Furra Linee against Corey Allen
Callum Gibbins against Justin Tipuric.

I'm not too sure that the O's pair don't just edge that.
I've long been of the opinion that Tips is the best 7 in Wales, so it will be interesting to see how Half-Man Half-Mullet does against him.
Already Renzo seems to be setting out a gameplan that requires quick ball from the breakdown and the Glasgow backrow is very fast and dynamic. However, Tips is just the kind of 7 to relish playing against that.
As for Corey Allen, I think he's a class act and Hornee will need to be at his best to counter him.
however, I think Glasgow will be well on top in the front 5, and the replacements of Kebble-MacArthur-Rae with Not as ballast is no respite for a tiring O's pack.
If the Glasgow pack are on top and producing quick ball then Price-Russell could have a field day. So, if Tips has a blinder and if Allen stops Horne bringing the outside backs in then the O's have a chance.
But realistically a home win.

Welsh is a bit broad, Im as likely to cheer on the One true region as you are Embra.

Ah, mea culpa Munkian.
Which is the One True Region? And why?

p.s. I do try to cheer the Luvvies, I really do. In the same way that I try to eat more veggies.

Looking forward to this - monster Glasgow bench, with serious impact in every single position.

jimbopip wrote:Ah, mea culpa Munkian.
Which is the One True Region? And why?

p.s. I do try to cheer the Luvvies, I really do. In the same way that I try to eat more veggies.

Swanse.. Ospreys mate.

Weather fine here today, sunny. 17 degs and no wind. Think this could be a belter. That wing Giles for the Os looks rather quick so Lee Jones will need to watch carefully. Looking forward to seeing Gibbons (marquee signing) get into the action. And welcome back Finn Russell who is apparently desperate to get going. Nick Grigg and Leo Sarto could be significant off the bench as both extremely rapid.

jimbopip wrote:Ah, mea culpa Munkian.
Which is the One True Region? And why?

p.s. I do try to cheer the Luvvies, I really do. In the same way that I try to eat more veggies.

One True Region is some horse sh1t served up to the Swansea board by a charlatan.

I would have liked Sarto in for Masaga and Brian for Swinson, but that bench is ominous. Power in the front 5 and speed everywhere else.

Want to see Kebble look better in the scrum than last week (where is Allan?). That team will put O's to the sword if they are up for this and O's are not. That back row has a bit of ballast and considerable pace. Tips (best 7 in Wales over the last 3-4 years) is going to need help against Wilson, Gibbins and Dunbar. The ref's interpretation of the ruck is going to be huge.

wayne wrote:Paul James becomes the highest capped Osprey, after equaling Duncan Jones record last week he passes him this week, and both Tom Habberfield and Sam Davies make their 100th appearance for the Ospreys in this game well done to both. If the ATTITUDE is the same this week  compared to last, we'll come away with nothing, the intensity has to be notched up a number of gears just to get a LBP. Could be an embarrassing afternoon, or will some shoots start to show themselves.

Your bench looks better this week. I expect Ospreys will raise their game, they know they have to.

Hazel Sapling wrote:I would have liked Sarto in for Masaga and Brian for Swinson, but that bench is ominous. Power in the front 5 and speed everywhere else.

Want to see Kebble look better in the scrum than last week (where is Allan?). That team will put O's to the sword if they are up for this and O's are not. That back row has a bit of ballast and considerable pace. Tips (best 7 in Wales over the last 3-4 years) is going to need help against Wilson, Gibbins and Dunbar. The ref's interpretation of the ruck is going to be huge.

Masaga ? He is injured and therefore not in 23

I think the back row of;
Batman-Arthur Ashe- Half Man Half Mullet, has it all pace, power and a little (?) bit of nastiness. As they say in deepest Essex "Looks a bit tasty."

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:I would have liked Sarto in for Masaga and Brian for Swinson, but that bench is ominous. Power in the front 5 and speed everywhere else.

Want to see Kebble look better in the scrum than last week (where is Allan?). That team will put O's to the sword if they are up for this and O's are not. That back row has a bit of ballast and considerable pace. Tips (best 7 in Wales over the last 3-4 years) is going to need help against Wilson, Gibbins and Dunbar. The ref's interpretation of the ruck is going to be huge.

Masaga ?   He is injured and therefore not in 23

Sarto in for Masage as opposed to Hughes who is in for Masage.

All Glasgow but no points - strong Os defence

10-0 Glasgow!!

That's not so good though. Concentration lapse

Let them back into it there. This could slip away from us if we're not careful.

Going to be a tight affair. Pretty even so far but both sides making a lot of mistakes

Unable to watch this, following on Twitter and Facebook Ospreys, according to our forum Defences on top, with Glasgow attack slightly more dangerous, scrum appears to be favouring us. This is much better than I anticipated.

Rozza really should have taken that.

Quick tap by Russell, great off load by Jacko and Sarto scores

17-10 Glasgow

Sam Davies throws an interception to Adam Ashe, who hand him off for good measure then strolls in from 50m

24-10 Glasgow

BigGee wrote:Sam Davies throws an interception to Adam Ashe, who hand him off for good measure then strolls in from 50m

24-10 Glasgow

Unsurprising. The fact that Ospreys supporters rate this 10 so highly is bonkers.

wayne wrote:Unable to watch this, following on Twitter and Facebook Ospreys, according to our forum Defences on top, with Glasgow attack slightly more dangerous, scrum appears to be favouring us. This is much better than I anticipated.

Had a good feed for first 20. Then it ran away. Spent the next half hour hitting the computer with a big stick, which I keep in the study, now following on Twitter.
C'mon Glasgow.

Dunbar scores again for the bonus point. MoM as well and just before Bradley Davies into the bin for a pull dpwn at the line out

31-10 Glasgow!