Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets, 5 September

by **George Carlin** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 8:30 am

Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets
Saturday 5 September
KO: 17:15
Fortress Soapdodger, Glasgow

Live on Sky Sports

Referee: Gary Conway (IRFU, 13th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Neil Paterson, Bob Nevins (both SRU)
Citing Commissioner: John Montgomery (SRU)
TMO: Jim Yuille (SRU)

A. Head to Head

24 Played 24
13 Wins 11
11 Losses 13
0 Draws 0
59 Tries 54
41 Conversions 27
53 Penalties 62
2 Drop Goals 1
542 Points 513

B. Form

Fri 21 Nov 2014
Scarlets 19 - 9 Glasgow Warriors

Fri 9 Jan 2015
Glasgow Warriors 22 - 7 Scarlets

C. Teams

Glasgow Warriors
Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets, 5 September Mhairi10

Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets, 5 September Mhairi10

15
Glenn Bryce
14
Lee Jones
13
Peter Murchie (capt)
12
Fraser Lyle
11
Rory Hughes
10
Scott Wight
9
Grayson Hart

1
Jerry Yanuyanutawa
2
Pat MacArthur
3
Michael Cusack
4
Rob Harley
5
Scott Cummings
6
Josh Strauss
7
Chris Fusaro
8
Adam Ashe

16
Kevin Bryce
17
Alex Allen
18
Zander Fagerson
19
Keiron Low
20
Tyrone Holmes
21
Mike Blair
22
Rory Clegg
23
Robbie Ferguson

Scarlets
Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets, 5 September Emma_j10

Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets, 5 September Emma_j10

15
Steffan Evans
14
Hadleigh Parkes (capt)
13
Regan King
12
Gareth Owen
11
Michael Tagicakibau
10
Dan Jones
9
Aled Davies

1
Phil John
2
Emyr Phillips
3
Peter Edwards
4
Tom Price
5
Lewis Rawlins
6
Aaron Shingler
7
James Davies
8
John Barclay

16
Kirby Myhill
17
Rob Evans
18
Will Taylor
19
George Earle
20
Rory Pitman
21
Rhodri Williams
22
Aled Thomas
23
Tom Williams

by **George Carlin** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 8:33 am

Welcome to the start of the new season.

As requested, Glasgow's team rep this week is Mrs Finn Russell, and current Miss Scotland, Mhairi Fergusson.

By way of beautiful symmetry, the current Miss Wales, Emma Jenkins, is from Llanelli. How could she not be Scarlets team rep this week?

by jimbopip Tue 01 Sep 2015, 8:39 am

Glasgow should have Coo, Bluto, Arthur Ashe and Meatball starting so what are the odds on Alex Dunbar playing the last 20?
Mind you we really don't want to see an angry John Barclay lining up for the Scaahletts.

Glasgow reserves to kick the season off with a comfortable win. Fingers Crossed

by **George Carlin** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 8:47 am

I wouldn't be adverse to something like:

15 Peter Murchie (c)
14 Junior Bulumakau
13 Glenn Bryce
12 Fraser Lyle
11 Rory Hughes
10 Rory Clegg
09 Mike Blair

08 Adam Ashe
07 Chris Fusaro
06 Josh Strauss
05 Kieran Low
04 Tim Swinson
03 Mike Cusack
02 Pat MacArthur
01 Jerry Yanuyanutawa

16 George Hunter
17 Kevin Bryce
18 Zander Fagerson
19 James Eddie
20 Simone Favaro
21 Grayson Hart
22 Rory Clegg
23 Alex Dunbar

by Weegie Wizard Tue 01 Sep 2015, 11:22 am

I don't think we'll see Dunbar here. Either he is fit and will be on the bench in Paris or he isn't and will be given an extra couple of weeks.

I'm not sure the doc in the US was the right place to send him. Surely your man in Fiji that Naholo went to was a better bet?

by **George Carlin** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 11:33 am

All* Naholo did was break a bone. That's simple stuff compared to knitting together ligament and tendon damage in a knee joint. 6 months is a commendable period of time to come back from that and I cannot help but shake the impression that someone like Horne is going to get clattered by a massive loosie, meaning that Dunbar may well need to step in as injury cover. I think that Cotter believes this too.

*Relatively. I'm not saying that the man is a big jessie or anything. Not to his face, anyway.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 01 Sep 2015, 11:46 am

Scarlets will be something like

Steff Evans
Tom Williams
Regan King
Gareth Owen (aaaggghhhh)
Hadleigh Parkes
Steve Shingler
Aled Davies

Rob Evans
Emyr Phillips
Will Thomas
George Earle
Lewis Rawlings
Aaron Shingler
James Davies
Morgan Allen

by funnyExiledScot Tue 01 Sep 2015, 11:48 am

jimbopip wrote:Glasgow should have Coo, Bluto, Arthur Ashe and Meatball starting so what are the odds on Alex Dunbar playing the last 20?
Mind you we really don't want to see an angry John Barclay lining up for the Scaahletts.

Glasgow reserves to kick the season off with a comfortable win.

I would be very happy were Weir to be released back to Glasgow around noon today!

Nice work on the OP. I think that's 1-0 to Glasgow already, and of course a hearty well done to Finn Russell. No wonder the kid has confidence!

by IanBru Tue 01 Sep 2015, 12:50 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Nice work on the OP. I think that's 1-0 to Glasgow already, and of course a hearty well done to Finn Russell. No wonder the kid has confidence!

That's outstanding!

I'm reminded of one of the scouting scenes from Moneyball (officially the most quotable sport film of all time) where they're discussing a player's batting technique and one of the scouts mentions that he has an ugly girlfriend - apparently that means he lacks confidence.

"I'm just saying, his girlfriend is a 6 at best."

The seriousness with which he says this, and the clear effect on whether they'll sign the player, shows the medieval thought processes that were endemic in baseball until perhaps ten years ago.

by ScarletSpiderman Tue 01 Sep 2015, 1:54 pm

I'm guessing that John Barclay will be on the bench for the Scarlets, ready to come on and break a few hearts in the second half.

by **BigGee** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 2:21 pm

Favaro just been called into Italian squad to cover an injury. Well hopefully we will get Blake back to cover him.

by **George Carlin** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:13 pm

Barclay, Harley and Blake are free to play in this game now, I guess.

Nervous about an angry JB on the jackal....

by **George Carlin** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:15 pm

Okay, so let's change that to:

08 Adam Ashe
07 Chris Fusaro
06 Josh Strauss
05 Kieran Low
04 Rob Harley
03 Mike Cusack
02 Pat MacArthur
01 Jerry Yanuyanutawa

15 Peter Murchie (c)
14 Junior Bulumakau
13 Glenn Bryce
12 Fraser Lyle
11 Rory Hughes
10 Rory Clegg
09 Mike Blair

16 George Hunter
17 Kevin Bryce
18 Zander Fagerson
19 James Eddie
20 Hugh Blake
21 Grayson Hart
22 Rory Clegg
23 Alex Dunbar

by funnyExiledScot Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:53 pm

George Carlin wrote:Okay, so let's change that to:

08 Adam Ashe
07 Chris Fusaro
06 Josh Strauss
05 Kieran Low
04 Rob Harley
03 Mike Cusack
02 Pat MacArthur
01 Jerry Yanuyanutawa

15 Peter Murchie (c)
14 Junior Bulumakau
13 Glenn Bryce
12 Fraser Lyle
11 Rory Hughes
10 Rory Clegg
09 Mike Blair

16 George Hunter
17 Kevin Bryce
18 Zander Fagerson
19 James Eddie
20 Hugh Blake
21 Grayson Hart
22 Rory Clegg
23 Alex Dunbar

Could you have set that list out more awkwardly??

You guys don't bother much with locks do you!?

by VinceWLB Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:09 pm

Yeah that's a damn lightweight lock pairing that wont lead you very far in europe..

Also why did Glasgow sign Puafisi, the guy is hopeless he was scrummaging on his arse vs Dickinson and Dennis Buckley last time i watched him. An incredibly big downgrade on DeKlerk who was at the end of the day the best scrummaging tighthead at Glasgow last season.

by funnyExiledScot Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:12 pm

VinceWLB wrote:Yeah that's a damn lightweight lock pairing that wont lead you very far in europe..

Also why did Glasgow sign Puafisi, the guy is hopeless he was scrummaging on his arse vs Dickinson and Dennis Buckley last time i watched him. An incredibly big downgrade on DeKlerk who was at the end of the day the best scrummaging tighthead at Glasgow last season.

To be fair to Toonie he could hardly foresee what De Klerk was up to, nor plan in advance for such an outcome. He'd have expected Cusack, De Klerk and Fagerson to form his trio of tightheads, and I suspect he was caught on the hop having to sign Puafisi.

I still maintain that Cross, Welsh and Low would all make the Glasgow 1st XV this season at tighthead.

by VinceWLB Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:19 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
VinceWLB wrote:Yeah that's a damn lightweight lock pairing that wont lead you very far in europe..

Also why did Glasgow sign Puafisi, the guy is hopeless he was scrummaging on his arse vs Dickinson and Dennis Buckley last time i watched him. An incredibly big downgrade on DeKlerk who was at the end of the day the best scrummaging tighthead at Glasgow last season.

To be fair to Toonie he could hardly foresee what De Klerk was up to, nor plan in advance for such an outcome. He'd have expected Cusack, De Klerk and Fagerson to form his trio of tightheads, and I suspect he was caught on the hop having to sign Puafisi.

I still maintain that Cross, Welsh and Low would all make the Glasgow 1st XV this season at tighthead.

Yeah agreed, Cusack hasn't convinced me at all, be it the new scrum rules or his loss of weight i don't know. I have always rated the 3 aforementioned about the same level and it's quite alarming that any of them would walk into the Glasgow 1st XV. Certainly Glasgow should have kept Welsh or make an offer one of the other 2. Puafisi is a terrible signing.

Ps they knew since April there had been a problem with De Klerk so i believe it could have been anticipated.

by **BigGee** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:37 pm

Glasgow just need to bring on the kids now and quite quickly. ZF and DR both got some game time last year and need to push on now
ZF in particular looks like he will do just that.

I have not entirely given up on Bigike either. He still has hardly played any rugby in the past two years and with a run of games may yet get his former back. He is still probably next in line for a Scotland call up if any of the other THs get injured. Luckily most of the other decent props in the league will also be away at the WC so the playing field will be reasonably even.

I have not completely given up on Big Mike

by **BigGee** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:38 pm

Writing this on the train on my mobile, so not always coming out as planned!

by **BigGee** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:39 pm

Writing this on the train on my mobile, so not always coming out as planned!

by **George Carlin** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:47 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Okay, so let's change that to:

08 Adam Ashe
07 Chris Fusaro
06 Josh Strauss
05 Kieran Low
04 Rob Harley
03 Mike Cusack
02 Pat MacArthur
01 Jerry Yanuyanutawa

15 Peter Murchie (c)
14 Junior Bulumakau
13 Glenn Bryce
12 Fraser Lyle
11 Rory Hughes
10 Rory Clegg
09 Mike Blair

16 George Hunter
17 Kevin Bryce
18 Zander Fagerson
19 James Eddie
20 Hugh Blake
21 Grayson Hart
22 Rory Clegg
23 Alex Dunbar

Could you have set that list out more awkwardly??

You guys don't bother much with locks do you!?

1. I was going to write it in Arabic to really mess up the thread.
2. No, but to be fair neither does Vern Cotter, apparently.

by **RDW** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 5:40 pm

Tell you what, Harley and Barclay's performances post world cup snub will be worth the entrance fee alone!

by **George Carlin** Tue 01 Sep 2015, 7:49 pm

Just read that Glasgow has more players missing on World Cup duty than any other NH pro franchise. Glasgow has 20 players missing, Leinster is next with 17, followed by Toulon, Sarries and Bath.

Respect. Or something.

by funnyExiledScot Tue 01 Sep 2015, 8:33 pm

George Carlin wrote:Just read that Glasgow has more players missing on World Cup duty than any other NH pro franchise. Glasgow has 20 players missing, Leinster is next with 17, followed by Toulon, Sarries and Bath.

Respect. Or something.

Nah, just poor decision making for the most part.

Edinburgh would have had more had there been a plague in South Africa.

by jimbopip Wed 02 Sep 2015, 9:26 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Just read that Glasgow has more players missing on World Cup duty than any other NH pro franchise. Glasgow has 20 players missing, Leinster is next with 17, followed by Toulon, Sarries and Bath.

Respect. Or something.

Nah, just poor decision making for the most part.

Edinburgh would have had more had there been a ~~plague in South Africa~~ a pre-match catwalk and sudden death make-over to decide tied matches.

Fixed that for you Whistle

by funnyExiledScot Wed 02 Sep 2015, 10:32 am

jimbopip wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Just read that Glasgow has more players missing on World Cup duty than any other NH pro franchise. Glasgow has 20 players missing, Leinster is next with 17, followed by Toulon, Sarries and Bath.

Respect. Or something.

Nah, just poor decision making for the most part.

Edinburgh would have had more had there been a ~~plague in South Africa~~ a pre-match catwalk and sudden death make-over to decide tied matches.

Fixed that for you

Thanks. That is of course what I meant to say. It's an Edinburgh-wide problem - we're all just so damn good looking.

by **George Carlin** Wed 02 Sep 2015, 12:13 pm

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by **George Carlin** Wed 02 Sep 2015, 12:31 pm

Oh sh!te. Is DTH going to be playing? Shocked

by funnyExiledScot Wed 02 Sep 2015, 12:56 pm

Don't worry. Lee Jones will sort him out.

by ScarletSpiderman Wed 02 Sep 2015, 1:33 pm

George Carlin wrote:Oh sh!te. Is DTH going to be playing?

He's with Canada ain't he?

by **George Carlin** Wed 02 Sep 2015, 1:40 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Oh sh!te. Is DTH going to be playing?

He's with Canada ain't he?

Er. That's terrible. Would have been great to see him again.

Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets, 5 September Cancan10

by InjuredYetAgain Wed 02 Sep 2015, 9:49 pm

George Carlin wrote:Okay, so let's change that to:

10 Rory Clegg

22 Rory Clegg

I am really looking forward to Clegg getting pulled off (ooer, missus) for himself. He did look good against Canada but, for less money than the private medical bills behind cloning him, Glasgow could probably have signed Dan Carter. We could then have another "human interest" story in the papers when Rory Hughes shows him round Castlemilk

by **George Carlin** Thu 03 Sep 2015, 7:02 am

InjuredYetAgain wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Okay, so let's change that to:

10 Rory Clegg

22 Rory Clegg

I am really looking forward to Clegg getting pulled off (ooer, missus) for himself. He did look good against Canada but, for less money than the private medical bills behind cloning him, Glasgow could probably have signed Dan Carter. We could then have another "human interest" story in the papers when Rory Hughes shows him round Castlemilk

Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets, 5 September House_10

by jimbopip Fri 04 Sep 2015, 8:38 am

So... Now we have Schroedinger's Winger.

Toonie he say Big Tacky will be with us for the start of the season. Contractual obligations and all that. Tacky is duly omitted from the Wallabies World Cup squad.

Tacky is in the Wallabies squad for this weekend.

Glasgow play their opening game of the season on Saturday.

So he is a Glasgow player from the start of the season and he is playing for Oz at the weekend. Of course if the Wallabies don't have a fixture this week I'm looking pretty stupid, again, but I'm fairly certain they do.

Actually they are playing the USA and their coach has said,

“There is a specific role for these players heading over here to the US (Tacky and two others), which will assist our preparations for this Saturday's match and the Rugby World Cup,” said Cheika.

“It’s crucial we continue to improve as a collective and having Taqele, Sam and James here in the US allows them to stay connected to the group, and will help us throughout our preparation and training."

So it would seem that Tacky is there but not part of the WC squad and probably not playing either. There but not there, a Glasgow player but not in Glasgow.

Schroedinger's winger indeed. Or not.

by **RDW** Fri 04 Sep 2015, 8:56 am

Are Australia not breaking their selection policy given that he's technically a Glasgow player now?

by jimbopip Fri 04 Sep 2015, 9:26 am

Yes they are , but no they're not: he has got the requisite number of caps just not yet.

Seriously though; is he not in breach of contract? Are the ARU not insufferably arrogant in taking a player to make up the numbers in training rather than allow him to fulfill his contractual obligations to his main employer?

by **RDW** Fri 04 Sep 2015, 9:30 am

Surely his contract would allow him to play international rugby though?

by ScarletSpiderman Fri 04 Sep 2015, 9:35 am

jimbopip wrote:Yes they are , but no they're not: he has got the requisite number of caps just not yet.

Seriously though; is he not in breach of contract? Are the ARU not insufferably arrogant in taking a player to make up the numbers in training rather than allow him to fulfill his contractual obligations to his main employer?

Seriously? If he was being held back by Fiji, and not Australia, would people be asking the same questions, or would they be saying how you can't stand in the way of international rugby.

by ScarletSpiderman Fri 04 Sep 2015, 9:37 am

On Scarlets news, Steven Shingler is playing for Llanelli RFC this weekend so unlikely to be in the squad against Galsgow.

by funnyExiledScot Fri 04 Sep 2015, 9:45 am

ScarletSpiderman wrote:On Scarlets news, Steven Shingler is playing for Llanelli RFC this weekend so unlikely to be in the squad against Galsgow.

Ah yes, Steven McShingler. Another hugely embarrasing episode for Scottish rugby!

by jimbopip Fri 04 Sep 2015, 9:56 am

Spidey, if you read the full article Cheika begins by saying, “There is a specific role for these players heading over here to the US (Tacky and two others), which will assist our preparations for this Saturday's match......and will help us throughout our preparation and training." it's pretty clear that they're making up the numbers/ on standby. Now that's fine for the players from the S/H whose season is over but Tacky signed a contract with Glasgow which said he would be available from the start of the season.

Glasgow made a point of letting Tacky's agent know that if he was in the Wallabies WC squad he would be in breach of contract, neither the agent nor the ARU were willing to buy him out of the contract so what the fecc are they, the Aru, doing now?

by funnyExiledScot Fri 04 Sep 2015, 10:04 am

Well the ARU won't be a party to the contract. They're just doing whatever suits them. I presume that it's Big T who is in breach by not showing up in Glasgow at the agreed date and by hanging out with the Aussies instead, and I imagine there's a "robust" discussion to be had between Glasgow and his representatives on that very point when, or rather if, he ever actually shows up.

by jimbopip Fri 04 Sep 2015, 10:17 am

So, he's Schroedinger's Winger.

by funnyExiledScot Fri 04 Sep 2015, 10:52 am

jimbopip wrote:So, he's Schroedinger's Winger.

Schroedinger. Sounds like the sort of chap we'll be parachuting into our World Cup squad.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 04 Sep 2015, 12:41 pm

Glasgow Warriors
15
Glenn Bryce
14
Lee Jones
13
Peter Murchie (capt)
12
Fraser Lyle
11
Rory Hughes
10
Scott Wight
9
Grayson Hart
1
Jerry Yanuyanutawa
2
Pat MacArthur
3
Michael Cusack
4
Rob Harley
5
Scott Cummings
6
Josh Strauss
7
Chris Fusaro
8
Adam Ashe
16
Kevin Bryce
17
Alex Allen
18
Zander Fagerson
19
Keiron Low
20
Tyrone Holmes
21
Mike Blair
22
Rory Clegg
23
Robbie Ferguson
Scarlets
15
Steffan Evans
14
Hadleigh Parkes (capt)
13
Regan King
12
Gareth Owen
11
Michael Tagicakibau
10
Dan Jones
9
Aled Davies
1
Phil John
2
Emyr Phillips
3
Peter Edwards
4
Tom Price
5
Lewis Rawlins
6
Aaron Shingler
7
James Davies
8
John Barclay
16
Kirby Myhill
17
Rob Evans
18
Will Taylor
19
George Earle
20
Rory Pitman
21
Rhodri Williams
22
Aled Thomas
23
Tom Williams

by Chunky Norwich Fri 04 Sep 2015, 12:42 pm

That's a fairly weak Scarlets line up. Can't see anything other than a Glasgow win, although can't claim to know their strengths.

by **RDW** Fri 04 Sep 2015, 1:02 pm

The toony tombola strikes again - Clegg has been playing the pre season games yet Wight starts, and murchie and Bryce swap positions despite playing in the opposite in pre season!

by jimbopip Fri 04 Sep 2015, 1:06 pm

Ah but the really interesting one is harley in the second row monkey

You get the feeling he asked to be put there to make a point.

by **RDW** Fri 04 Sep 2015, 1:07 pm

Well, other than the fact that Glasgow literally have no one else.....hence why they're playing an 18 year old!

by ScarletSpiderman Fri 04 Sep 2015, 1:25 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:That's a fairly weak Scarlets line up. Can't see anything other than a Glasgow win, although can't claim to know their strengths.

Its not the best side for us. But with the exception of Shingler Jnr at fly half, Gareth Owen being dropped totally with Parkes taking his place and Tom Williams on the wing, Earle in the second row instead of Price, and Rob starting instead of Phil John, it is the best we have available given the injury list/RWC.

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