England-Windies Limited Overs Stuff

England messing up a T20 chase at the moment.

Night cricket in Durham in the middle of September - clever that

The issue last night was with Root and Morgan. Root simply is not a T20 player and Morgan is long past his sell by date. Root in the power play was dreadful scoring at less than a run a ball, this simply puts pressure on the other batsmen

Narine did not bowl exceptionally well and England should have just seen off his overs. Too many risks were taken due to the slow, low scoring and gifting of their wickets by Root and Morgan.

I wish I could not be a T20 player and average 39 at a strike rate of 129 like Root

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:I wish I could not be a T20 player and average 39 at a strike rate of 129 like Root

So you feel that Root is the ultimate top order batsman in T20 then...

Excellent ODI and Test batsman but not a top order T20 batsman in my mind.

I agree Eirebelly

In comparison:

Hales - 135
Morgan - 130
Buttler - 138
Roy - 134
Stokes - 136

Root's strike rate is totally fine.

WI establish their class and supremacy in T20 again

There aren't too many T20 internationals but i remember Eng imploded in the last 2 vs India...
Root is OK...should be there...he is class, holds the inning whihc is also needed in T20s and is a decent striker.

Eng need to look at one captain for all formats in my view

eirebilly wrote:

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:I wish I could not be a T20 player and average 39 at a strike rate of 129 like Root

So you feel that Root is the ultimate top order batsman in T20 then...

Excellent ODI and Test batsman but not a top order T20 batsman in my mind.

I think root is a class act in all formats - one bad performance doesn't change that. Literally like a year ago when we did the world record t20 Chase against South Africa he go 83 off 44, against Steyn, Rabada, Morris etc. He may not be the classical "big hitter", but he's needed in this t20 side

Actually watched Root's innings last night . Didnt think he played particularly well ...but one might argue that "seeing Narine off" was precisely what he was attempting - hence the slow strike rate.
I'd agree t20 is probably the format to which he is least suited : but that doesn't mean he isn't in England's best XI ! With Hales and Roy always likely to go off like a firecracker from the start - with variable results - it makes good sense to have him at three.
Getting out when he did , just after Hales , was his major sin. It was unfortunate that his wicket came very shortly before Morgan's early exit ; but I'm not sure he can be blamed for that

West Indies , although pegged back by Plunkett and Rashid , got a pretty decent score for twenty overs. England lost early wickets and from then on they were always at risk of falling short if the remaining proper batsmen got out before the job was done. Not their finest hour ; but West Indies are at their best in the ultra short game and losing to them in appalling conditions (great scheduling !) doesn't make them a bad side...I don't think we need to have Captain Morgan walk the plank just yet

Still can't believe that Malan was dropped, having made 78 on debut!

Bairstow to play ahead of Roy

Don't agree with that personally. Sure Roy had a poor run in the CT, but him/Hales have been awesome for England and I think he works well with Hales as Roy goes from ball one which allows Hales a chance to settle, which he likes to do. If we're dropping people on form, Morgan hasn't made more than 5 for the past few months!

11/2 that England win 5-0.

A tempter; I'm just worried about the good old English weather!

Duty281 wrote:11/2 that England win 5-0.

A tempter; I'm just worried about the good old English weather!

There's no way we complete all 5 games the way the weather has been this month Duty!

This is ridiculous. Either play the game or call it off. Stop fecking around.

Worried about the ground being too soft for player safety!!! Rugby and soccer play in far worse conditions than this.

Absolute joke.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

Duty281 wrote:11/2 that England win 5-0.

A tempter; I'm just worried about the good old English weather!

There's no way we complete all 5 games the way the weather has been this month Duty!

I have every faith in the modern drainage systems and modern umpires who think only of the crowd!

England's fielding, however...

eirebilly wrote:Worried about the ground being too soft for player safety!!! Rugby and soccer play in far worse conditions than this.

Absolute joke.

So they should play and risk a Simon Jones-esque injury? For the sake of losing a few overs, I'd rather they didn't risk the career of our players on an unfit outfield...

This game ended as a contest when Gayle departed; I suppose he's a doubt for the rest of the series now.

32-1 after 5, chasing 205

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Worried about the ground being too soft for player safety!!! Rugby and soccer play in far worse conditions than this.

Absolute joke.

So they should play and risk a Simon Jones-esque injury? For the sake of losing a few overs, I'd rather they didn't risk the career of our players on an unfit outfield...

Seriously? Do you really think that the ground improved that much in the hour delay that they had?

There was very little wrong with the ground and play could realistically started on time.

As for your 'Simon Jones-esque injury' comment, should they not play with cricket balls either since Glenn McGrath once trod on one and got injured?

Anyways, loving the approach by Bairstow and Root here, just ticking off the runs and keeping England in total control of this match.

Top class 50 from Bairstow

Excellent 50 from Root as well

These two are cruising.

Oh well done Bairstow, what a superb innings

Great stuff

England batting first under heavy cloud. Windies without Gayle, as expected.

Likely to be some disruption today, but a game should still be played.

Well I hope we get a good game Duty, very happy to see England batting first, would love to see Hales get a big score.

Game abandoneded

England to bat first in the 3rd ODI. Hopefully we will get to see a full game

The pitch here is absolutely dire, cant imagine a big score here. 230 might be a decent total.

eirebilly wrote:The pitch here is absolutely dire, cant imagine a big score here. 230 might be a decent total.

Well after thirty overs I'd be reviewing that prediction , eirebilly

Couple of wickets might change things ; but at the moment it looks as if 430 might be on...

Eoin Morgan should be nowhere near this side, his form is terrible

England 205-3 after 31 overs. Got to be looking for 350+ here. Root and Stokes set, Buttler and Moeen still to come

Stokes gone after an excellent 73

Chance for Buttler to show what he can do : this looks perfectly set up for him.

Hah ! Sorry , Jos...jinxed you good and proper

England suddenly needing to regroup...

Had a wee review Alfie and decided I got it madly wrong

Have to agree re: Morgan, he is in no form whatsoever and is not the future for England's ODI or T20 teams so really should be put out to pasture to allow some younger players a chance.

Root gone now, cue many people to accuse him of not converting enough...

England in some trouble now.

Remind me never to make confident predictions - even indirect ones.

Run rate remains excellent ; but with Root going as well England may not last fifty overs ! Anything over 300 from here will be useful , I guess : ball has done enough for the seamers so I fancy Woakes , Plunkett etc might enjoy bowling later.

Morgan really can't buy a run lately. Next World Cup starting to look a bit further off than management might have thought...
He could easily click next week : but I guess there will come a time when thoughts of bringing on the next generation and letting Root captain in all formats will develop.

West Indies have come back well. 222/6 off 36. Ali and Woakes having to start things off again.

I would take 300 at this stage if you offered it me. Fear we may run out of wickets.

West Indies good in parts. Have to agree with the Sky guys - too often their fielding has been poor and, more unforgivable than that, lazy (looking at you Samuels!).

I would be looking now Alfie, I would not wait any longer. Morgan, great servant to the England ODI team over the years but not the future, allow some young players a chance and let them bed into the side.

Disagree with Root as Captain in all formats. I would leave him as test captain and possibly ODI captain but not the T20. I just do not see him as a T20 player and I also fear that he could burn himself out playing too much cricket.

Who then , eirebilly ?

I tend to agree about not overloading Root ; but it would be a little odd if he didn't take over should Morgan be eased out. Not sure I'd want to introduce two new leaders at once now ,either.

I reckon they'll stick with Morgan for now. If he doesn't get his mojo back - say in Australia - then Root can add the ODIs to his portfolio.

They don't usually play enough t20 games to matter ; but I guess you could let Buttler or someone take over for them.

There are some decent limited over batsmen in the county game that could do well for being selected ahead of Morgan.

As for the captains of the teams, I like the following.

Tests : Root
ODI's : Stokes or Ali
T20's : Buttler

Woakes may have to think about hitting out soon, soaking up way too many balls and putting pressure on Ali.

Morgan will tend to go through periods like this where he can't buy a run, but then one innings and he'll go on a run of good form. I'd maybe give him a break if we wrap up the series early. Wouldn't jettison him altogether though, that would be silly imo

Words cannot describe the love I have for Moeen Ali. What a man

Excellent 50 from Ali, completed with back to back 6's

Ali, you absolute brilliant brilliant lad.

eirebilly wrote:Excellent 50 from Ali, completed with back to back 6's

Spot on. He's turned it round again. If he bats to the 50th over, 350 could be back on.

Or more!

42 off 8 deliveries, that is amazing

Never underestimate Moeen

The depth of this England team , though , means that once a good early partnership like the Root/Stokes one has set up a strong position , someone is always likely to come in and play a destructive late innings. If Buttler don't get you , Woakes or Moeen will...

Ali's last 50 runs only took 11 balls