Scotland Internationals - Game Week

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Scotland's 2017 Autumn Series



Saturday 11 November: Scotland v Samoa, Murrayfield Stadium (kick-off 14.30 GMT), live on BBC 1

Saturday 18 November: Scotland v New Zealand, Murrayfield Stadium (kick-off 17.15 GMT), live on BBC 2

Saturday 25 November: Scotland v Australia, Murrayfield Stadium (kick-off 14.30 GMT), live on BBC 1

Injury List

G Laidlaw
R Gray
J Barclay
M Bennet
A Dickinson
A Dell
G Reid
F Brown
R Ford
D Taylor
M Scott
A Ashe
S Maitland
J Hardie ( )

Scotland Squad here>>>>

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if we're talking 90s movies, then
Rob Roy is much better than Braveheart, and Small Faces is just as good as Trainspotting.

I always liked that sketch 'the soft touch' from The Acid House. I believe it's based on another Irvine Welsh novel.

furra_linee wrote:if we're talking 90s movies, then
Rob Roy is much better than Braveheart, and Small Faces is just as good as Trainspotting.

I dunno like, I always find Braveheart to be either truely terrible or awesome and I still can't make up my mind. There's so much to pick apart (filmed in Ireland not Scotland, kilts weren't as prevalent back then, there's no bridge) but then some is spot on (the lead played by a racist alcoholic).

Maybe i'm wrong and Gregorys Girl is actually the greatest film about Scotland

In other news, Townsend has said that Visser wasn't picked because he needs his wingers to have high work rate and be good in the air, so he needs to go work on that. Now while that is very much stating the bloody obvious with Visser, he's made a decent career for himself despite of all that! He's probably still our most lethal finisher if given a hint of the try line.

Hopefully the kick up the arse works and he can regain form similar to the recent 6N where he looked like a man reborn - I think he even made a tackle!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tHA1ufmLZQY
There's so much wrong with Braveheart. Here's Stewart Lee being funny about the age difference between two of the characters.
Gregorys Girl is great but it's Local Hero for me

I think that, potentially, the best Scottish film was one that never got made. Norman Wisdom was desperate to make a film of the life of Benny Lynch. For anyone who doesn't know his story I can recommend John Burrowes, Benny Lynch: The Life And Times Of A Fighting Legend. Wisdom showed in his later years that he could play tragedy almost as well as he did comedy and he had boxed as a youngster. He often said that one of his real regrets was that he never managed to make that movie.

That is possibly one of the most jimbopip post yet - referring to a film that wasn't even made as the best Scottish film ever. Because of course it is far too mainstream (and doesn't show everyone how smart you are when it comes to all things literature and arts related which, by the way, makes you King of the luvvies) if you refer to an actual Scottish film which exists!  

Oh RDW, films which weren't made are often much more interesting than those which were.
The Benny Lynch biography is a really good read. I did once mention to my sweet little granny that I was reading it and said,
"That would have been about your era."
"Aye, Jimmucks, they were hard times. I mind the men fighting, bareknuckle often as not, just to put food on the table."
" That's right gran. There's a bit here about a boxer going all the way up to Aberdeen on his motorbike, in the depths of winter and the purse barely covered his expenses. He got battered too! Gunboat Wilson his name was."
" Gunboat! A mind going to the dancing with a Gunboat...He was a boxer."
"Says here he was a welterweight, gran."
"I don't know about that, son, but he was a lovely mover. Real light on his feet."

Now that's a "most Jimbopip post." And true.

jimbopip wrote:I think that, potentially, the best Scottish film was one that never got made. Norman Wisdom was desperate to make a film of the life of Benny Lynch. For anyone who doesn't know his story I can recommend John Burrowes, Benny Lynch: The Life And Times Of A Fighting Legend. Wisdom showed in his later years that he could play tragedy almost as well as he did comedy and he had boxed as a youngster. He often said that one of his real regrets was that he never managed to make that movie.

Benny Lynch is all well and good for a film about true characters and events but what would be more spectacular is to see Alasdair Gray's "Lanark" four part series re-created as a bbc mini-series. Shown in the written order one two three and four, not in the reading order three, one, two, four (the epilogue also in the correct place, 4 chapters before the end).

A scottish book that blends realistic Pre-war glasgow with an imagined, hallucinogenic hell-scape glasgow (imagine glasgow currently for an accurate protrayal) called Unthank and involves an excellent postmodern section where the main character meets the author (rather like Roland Deschain meeting Stephen King in The Dark Tower novel Song of Susannah)

Fantastic, I applaud your choice.
Another modern novel which could make the transition would be William McIlvanney's Laidlaw. It couldn't be any worse than the vile version of his The Big Man with Liam Neeson.

I'm flattered!

there's a bit of literary, non-scottish, history in the family - Grandpa, Kenneth Arthur Graham Sinclair Lane (aristocratic and colonial), was a publishing agent for George Orwell and met with Walt Disney to discuss the movie rights to Animal Farm. Disney claimed it wasn't the right time. In retrospect that sales pitch looked like madness but at the time Kags was furious at the decision and quit to become a weaver in Dumfries and Galloway. Such is life.

Not read Laidlaw but had a skek at the summary online and seems a decent read, will check it out!

Special mention to Restless Natives which also has a superb soundtrack.

At long last jimbo has found a literary playmate on here!

For what it's worth, not as high brow as you two, but Glasgow's finest Chris Brookmyre is one of my favourite authors - whenever I read any of his books (and I've read all of them) I always think they'd make a great TV mini-series / Netflix exclusive etc.

Tramptastic wrote:I'm flattered!

there's a bit of literary, non-scottish, history in the family - Grandpa, Kenneth Arthur Graham Sinclair Lane (aristocratic and colonial), was a publishing agent for George Orwell and met with Walt Disney to discuss the movie rights to Animal Farm. Disney claimed it wasn't the right time. In retrospect that sales pitch looked like madness but at the time Kags was furious at the decision and quit to become a weaver in Dumfries and Galloway. Such is life.

Not read Laidlaw but had a skek at the summary online and seems a decent read, will check it out!

Meant to say, William McIlvanney told me one of his biggest disappointments was that even though Sean Connery himself bought the film rights for £100k with a view to playing the eponymous hero (I used eponymous just to annoy Admin Boy) the film still never got made.

RDW_Scotland wrote:At long last jimbo has found a literary playmate on here!

For what it's worth, not as high brow as you two, but Glasgow's finest Chris Brookmyre is one of my favourite authors - whenever I read any of his books (and I've read all of them) I always think they'd make a great TV mini-series / Netflix exclusive etc.

to be fair my literary knowledge is still considered pitiful, with the exception of a family tradition of calling everything negative about every government ever "orwellian", pop culture tends to be more my thing.

Back to the rugby, do we know yet which club Hardie was spotted snorting explicit substances into explicit sphincters? I suggested Garibaldis earlier in the thread but that was based entirely on trying to be a detective (Holmes/Rebus, delete according to fandom) and envision where I, as a mid-twenties rugby player with recurring injuries, would pick to end my career

I read Laidlaw in 4th year of secondary and hated it. I've no idea what I'd think now but I have a lingering feeling that it's probably hugely overrated.

Maybe I should set a reminder for 7 years time, when I might have some spare time, to pick it up and try again?

Bad books are like ironing. A complete waste of life.

I read Sunset Song, as many did, in my 5th year, and hated it. As someone dreaming of escaping rural Scotland it was the wrong book at the wrong time. A lad from that class I've remained facebook friends has said it is very good and improves as an adult though.

I'd pay to watch an Alasdair Gray movie - but I think "Poor Things" (a gothic feminist psychological horror, with a hero from Galloway, a brain transplant, and a sex-crazed runaway bride) would be more fun than "Lanark".

Dear dishevilled Des, bad books are like bad sex; your memory tells you it should be more fun, you think if you move to a more comfortable armchair and put on brighter light things will improve, it doesn't and you begin to resent your friends who told you you would enjoy it, but you keep licking your index finger turning the pages and waiting for things to improve.

You're right. There's absolutely nothing to learn from ironing other than you shouldn't do it. Whereas there's plenty to learn from bad sex and even bad books give you something to talk about. Like how they compare to bad sex.

des wrote:You're right. There's absolutely nothing to learn from ironing other than you shouldn't do it.  Whereas there's plenty to learn from bad sex and even bad books give you something to talk about. Like how they compare to bad sex.

As a long-term happily married man may I counsel against ever comparing bad books to bad sex:

"That book? It was rubbish darling. nearly as bad as that time we tried..."

That sort of conversation never ends well.

I shall continue to end my posts with the king motif since the work experience Admin Boy has crowned me King Of The Luvvies.

furra_linee wrote:I read Sunset Song, as many did, in my 5th year, and hated it. As someone dreaming of escaping rural Scotland it was the wrong book at the wrong time. A lad from that class I've remained facebook friends has said it is very good and improves as an adult though.

I'd pay to watch an Alasdair Gray movie - but I think "Poor Things" (a gothic feminist psychological horror, with a hero from Galloway, a brain transplant, and a sex-crazed runaway bride) would be more fun than "Lanark".

Well if it's a choice between Galloway and Lanark there's no question about it - Galloway is superior in every way to the Lanarks desolate hellspawn landscape

I thought that Sunset Song was awful. Anyone with a name like Lewis Grassic Gibbon could only be a whimsical writer or a serial killer. Always thought that the Doric was quite forced too.

23 years later, I still start emails to a fellow sufferer of that class with the phrase 'Dam't to hell, Chris quean". Laugh? You'd urinate on your peat fireplace.

Back to rugby, sorry.... Huw Jones was very good in yesterday's Currie Cup final, two tries and an assist, some good line breaks and runs. he's one of the very best centres playing anywhere right now.

David-Douglas wrote:Back to rugby, sorry.... Huw Jones was very good in yesterday's Currie Cup final, two tries and an assist, some good line breaks and runs. he's one of the very best centres playing anywhere right now.

Thanks for the update David - I had forgotton about that.

Our Shug was man of the match and crucially seems to be uninjured:
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/CurrieCup/wp-rock-sharks-to-lift-currie-cup-title-20171028

It's amazing to think this time last year he was announced in the squad and everyone was like "huw is that guy?"

See what I did there...

RDW_Scotland wrote:It's amazing to think this time last year he was announced in the squad and everyone was like "huw is that guy?"

See what I did there...

I'm just surprised England/Wales weren't quicker to poach him! Not that I'm complaining...

The SRU will probably offer to pay women to give birth in Scotland next.

Wasn't there a campaign to get Scottish guys to mate with Brazilian woman to try and improve the quality of our footballer pool?

I think we should start up a similar drive for rugby where the SRU pay guys at 6ft 4 or taller to travel the world sewing thier seed with multiple ladies from multiple nations.

Off to the Fiji I go to breed a new generation of speedy and physical wingers. Here we have Nemani Nadolo-Tattie
Then it's off to Samoa for a physical tackling wing. Here we find Brian Lima-Tattie
A visit to New Zealand where most of my work would be done to find Dan Carter-Tattie, Sonny Bill Williams-Tattie, etc
Some ozzie women are hot so I'd do some freelance work in Oz for a bit. Maybe the SRU will want a David Pocock-Tattie though.
Japan have some stunning woman maybe a Goromaru-Tattie could be needed for the bench in case Hoggy gets injured?

I'd also like to go to some Scandinavian countries to find some very tall ladies to produce some Bjorn Gunnarsson-Tatties for the 2nd row

Despite the poor quality of rugby player, I'd also happily go to France, Spain and Italy to see if there was an occasional gem to be uncovered. I'd even volunteer to go to Brazil just to test the waters.

GC can be called upon to cater for the Georgian front row!

tigertattie wrote:Wasn't there a campaign to get Scottish guys to mate with Brazilian woman to try and improve the quality of our footballer pool?

I think we should start up a similar drive for rugby where the SRU pay guys at 6ft 4 or taller to travel the world sewing thier seed with multiple ladies from multiple nations.

Off to the Fiji I go to breed a new generation of speedy and physical wingers. Here we have Nemani Nadolo-Tattie
Then it's off to Samoa for a physical tackling wing. Here we find Brian Lima-Tattie
A visit to New Zealand where most of my work would be done to find Dan Carter-Tattie, Sonny Bill Williams-Tattie, etc
Some ozzie women are hot so I'd do some freelance work in Oz for a bit. Maybe the SRU will want a David Pocock-Tattie though.
Japan have some stunning woman maybe a Goromaru-Tattie could be needed for the bench in case Hoggy gets injured?

I'd also like to go to some Scandinavian countries to find some very tall ladies to produce some Bjorn Gunnarsson-Tatties for the 2nd row

Despite the poor quality of rugby player, I'd also happily go to France, Spain and Italy to see if there was an occasional gem to be uncovered. I'd even volunteer to go to Brazil just to test the waters.

GC can be called upon to cater for the Georgian front row!

I've dated worse.

George Carlin wrote:

tigertattie wrote:Wasn't there a campaign to get Scottish guys to mate with Brazilian woman to try and improve the quality of our footballer pool?

I think we should start up a similar drive for rugby where the SRU pay guys at 6ft 4 or taller to travel the world sewing thier seed with multiple ladies from multiple nations.

Off to the Fiji I go to breed a new generation of speedy and physical wingers. Here we have Nemani Nadolo-Tattie
Then it's off to Samoa for a physical tackling wing. Here we find Brian Lima-Tattie
A visit to New Zealand where most of my work would be done to find Dan Carter-Tattie, Sonny Bill Williams-Tattie, etc
Some ozzie women are hot so I'd do some freelance work in Oz for a bit. Maybe the SRU will want a David Pocock-Tattie though.
Japan have some stunning woman maybe a Goromaru-Tattie could be needed for the bench in case Hoggy gets injured?

I'd also like to go to some Scandinavian countries to find some very tall ladies to produce some Bjorn Gunnarsson-Tatties for the 2nd row

Despite the poor quality of rugby player, I'd also happily go to France, Spain and Italy to see if there was an occasional gem to be uncovered. I'd even volunteer to go to Brazil just to test the waters.

GC can be called upon to cater for the Georgian front row!

I've dated worse.

Actual footage of GC trying to woo a Georgian woman

https://goo.gl/images/FqjjGN

In other news, I've found my first "volunteer" to help make some back row players

http://www.reckontalk.com/hot-julia-vins-sexy-russian-powerlifter-photo-sexiest-female-bodybuilder/

tigertattie wrote:

George Carlin wrote:

tigertattie wrote:Wasn't there a campaign to get Scottish guys to mate with Brazilian woman to try and improve the quality of our footballer pool?

I think we should start up a similar drive for rugby where the SRU pay guys at 6ft 4 or taller to travel the world sewing thier seed with multiple ladies from multiple nations.

Off to the Fiji I go to breed a new generation of speedy and physical wingers. Here we have Nemani Nadolo-Tattie
Then it's off to Samoa for a physical tackling wing. Here we find Brian Lima-Tattie
A visit to New Zealand where most of my work would be done to find Dan Carter-Tattie, Sonny Bill Williams-Tattie, etc
Some ozzie women are hot so I'd do some freelance work in Oz for a bit. Maybe the SRU will want a David Pocock-Tattie though.
Japan have some stunning woman maybe a Goromaru-Tattie could be needed for the bench in case Hoggy gets injured?

I'd also like to go to some Scandinavian countries to find some very tall ladies to produce some Bjorn Gunnarsson-Tatties for the 2nd row

Despite the poor quality of rugby player, I'd also happily go to France, Spain and Italy to see if there was an occasional gem to be uncovered. I'd even volunteer to go to Brazil just to test the waters.

GC can be called upon to cater for the Georgian front row!

I've dated worse.

Actual footage of GC trying to woo a Georgian woman

https://goo.gl/images/FqjjGN

The 'Miss Georgia' beauty pageant was a particularly poor standard that year!

There's no chance Radge's work is going to let him view this page now...

RDW_Scotland wrote:There's no chance Radge's work is going to let him view this page now...

What will his firewall flag first?

The old dear flicking the bird?
The words "Hot sexy Russian"?
Or prospect of GC sewing his wild oats!

This thread escalated quickly. GC seems fairly excited about populating our set of future front row forwards.While tattie....well just seems excited in general

My textual analysis of Tattie and George's outpourings is that Tattie isn't fussy where she comes from as long as he gets to come, whereas GC just isn't fussy at all.

I have no idea what just happened here.

George Carlin wrote:I have no idea what just happened here.

Thats what she said

In two years to the day, we will play NZ in the RWC final 2019. Remember where you heard it first.

Mark Palmer tweeted that Ross Ford is ruled out with a pectoral injury. We're down to.the bare bones now!

Pat McArthur?

As an aside George turner was fantastic in the loose last night but is a very lightweight scrummager.

How long is Brown out for?

Assume McInally starts with Tuner off the bench. MacArthur the next cab off the rank probably otherwise Malcolm or K Bryce?

Ruled out for the entire AIs.

Bryce is a tighthead now!

If McArthur gets injured you're looking at Malcolm, Neil Cochrane or Scott Lawson...

RDW_Scotland wrote:Ruled out for the entire AIs.

Bryce is a tighthead now!

If McArthur gets injured you're looking at Malcolm, Neil Cochrane or Scott Lawson...

Could do a lot worse than Scott Lawson, he is still playing very well for Newcastle.

Does look like Turner will get capped this AI series though, which in the longer term will be no bad thing.

Iain Morrison has suggested his team for the Samoa game, which I don't think will be to far off the mark.


Possible Scotland XV:Hogg; Seymour, H Jones, Dunbar, McGuigan; Russell, Price; Marfo, McInally, Nel, Toolis, Gray, Barclay, Watson, Wilson.

Judging on who was kept back from playing this weekend, that looks about right. Maybe Lee Jones in for McGuigan, but I personally think that Mac has earned his shout.

The bench is probably going to provide the interesting calls:

LH - Bhatti - by defaukt really , as no other LHs in squad

H - Turner - for the same reason as above

TH - Fagerson - unless he starts, hard to choose between the two and they are likely to play a half each

SR - This may be the hardest call, Cummings, Gilchrist and Swinson all in with a shout and all playing well. If I have to stick my neck on the block I would go for Gilchrist who played very well on Saturday but I would not lose any sleep over any of them playing and they may all do over the series

BR - Nearly as hard as SR but it probably comes down to CDP or Hamilton. CDP may just have swung it from his game on Saturday but I think we will see LH capped during the series

SH - Henry P - this is probably our weakest position with GL out. HP not been playing well and Fowles uninspires. I still wish he had been Tooniesque and gone for one of the kids

FH - This is going to be Horne or Jacko, depending if he wants a 10/12 or a 10/15. Again both have been playing well. I will go for Jacko though, as we know Huw Jones also cover 12. That would be tough on Peter Horne who played well on Friday, but has often not convinced on his previous Scotland appearences

Centre/Wing - I think the new boy Chris Harris may get this shout. He sounds like a hidden diamond and is a fierce tackler as well as being quick. Lee Jones may get steam rolled by the Samoans as he did by the Fijians.

My disclaimer here is that this will be a Toonie selection, so expect the unexpected.

Tend to agree with all that biggee

I know Toonie will likely go with Fagerson as replacement TH but having watched the Edinburgh game I think I would personally go with Berghan, the Edinburgh front row is scrummaging better than Glasgow and he is really getting about in the loose now and putting in a lot of work. Watching the Edinburgh game he seemed quite often to be one of the first forwards up in support of the backs. For me he's the form TH choice between himself and Fagerson.

MacKnocked-on wrote:I know Toonie will likely go with Fagerson as replacement TH but having watched the Edinburgh game I think I would personally go with Berghan, the Edinburgh front row is scrummaging better than Glasgow and he is really getting about in the loose now and putting in a lot of work. Watching the Edinburgh game he seemed quite often to be one of the first forwards up in support of the backs. For me he's the form TH choice between himself and Fagerson.    

I agree with that. By nature the front row who is more dynamic in the loose but weaker in the set piece should be the substitute.

Bradbury, Cochrane and Sutherland called up to Scotland squad

Edinburgh have one hooker left!

I wouldn't be shocked if Sutherland was involved in the samoa game. He's probably the best LH available to Scotland just now

EWT Spoons wrote:I wouldn't be shocked if Sutherland was involved in the samoa game.  He's probably the best LH available to Scotland just now

If he's fit!