England v Argentina - 11th November

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Date: Saturday 11th November
Time: 15:00 GMT
Location: Twickenham Stadium, Twickenham, Surrey
TV: Sky Sports
Radio: R5L


Officials

Referee: Marius van der Westhuizen (South Africa)
Assistant 1: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Assistant 2: Dan Jones (Wales)
TMO: Olly Hodges (Ireland)


Head to Head

10 Played 10
15 Won 4
1 Drawn 1
533 Total Points 298
27 Average Score 15



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Teams

ENGLAND


Brown
Watson
Joseph
Slade
Daly
Ford
Youngs
Mako
Hartley
Cole
Kruis
Lawes
Robshaw
Underhill
Hughes

George, Genge, Williams, Launchbury, Curry, Care, Lozowski, Rokoduguni



Argentina

Ben is probably rated more highly since he was called up first. Injured though.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Ben is probably rated more highly since he was called up first. Injured though.

IIRC, Tom was due to get the first call-up over the summer, but got injured and seems to have dropped off the radar.

Other way round I think poorfour.

Yeah they'd only ever been in squads together, Ben was named to play the Barbarians, got injured, Tom Stepped in, never looked back.

These twins. They all look the same to me.

totally...im lost now!

I've been seeing clips of the third Curry brother, Arthur, when I go to the cinema with my kids. He looks pretty handy, but I think he might not have been born in England.

Did I read somewhere that Curry was injured and Simmonds has been called up to the bench?

Just seen it on BBC - at least we wont be requiring Robshaw to cover no.8 then.

Poorfour wrote:I've been seeing clips of the third Curry brother, Arthur, when I go to the cinema with my kids. He looks pretty handy, but I think he might not have been born in England.

Handy in wet weather though I imagine. Would have thought he was more of a league fan though.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ah bad news about Curry! I guess his brother isn't rated quite as highly?

At least we'll get to see how Simmonds looks at this level!

I agree I think Lawes should have been rested as well. Lock is the one position that we really can afford to rest players.

Think other Curry is injured himself currently.

Must be funny when one curry replaces the other - as in 'That guy must have some engine, he's playing like he's only just got on the pitch'

lostinwales wrote:Must be funny when one curry replaces the other - as in 'That guy must have some engine, he's playing like he's only just got on the pitch'

We've been used to it for a while at Quins with the Robshaw twins...

pre match press - the dylan and eddie show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EMx2gJeud4

I predict a horsing as the Pumas were more disjointed than usual during the last Rugby Championship. Hope to see some of the young English bucks step up.

Well Underhill is doing a Haskell from the Australia tour..ie hitting everything that moves ...HARD.

Lawes stripped by Hernandez the fly half . .he won't be happy with that.

Not much else of a game so far.

6-3

Oh and Ford ticked off by the ref for taking his time at the kicks .

Argetinina fb yellow carded ...Very harsh

Get in....Hughes scores.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Argetinina fb yellow carded ...Very harsh

Agreed and I don't see the logic to yellow? If it's a card it's red surely.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Argetinina fb yellow carded ...Very harsh

I think he's lucky it's not red, he pulled brown downwards by the arm which turned him to land the way he did

GeordieFalcon wrote:Argetinina fb yellow carded ...Very harsh

Indeed:
"Not in a realistic position to get the ball"...except that he had his hands on the ball at the same time as Brown

He challenged for it Scottf. It shouldn't have been a yellow. But your right...if they go by the book should have been a red.

Let's see what Watson can do at 15 then

So Watson is full back.

Get used to that.

Did the RFU amend the laws again so that only they could compete for the high ball? That yellow was ludicrous, he had his hands on the ball.

Mr Fishpaste wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Argetinina fb yellow carded ...Very harsh

Indeed:
"Not in a realistic position to get the ball"...except that he had his hands on the ball at the same time as Brown

He didn't pull downwards on the ball though, he did on browns arm. Would of been fine if it wasn't for that

GeordieFalcon wrote:So Watson is full back.

Get used to that.

I thought it looked like Daly went to FB?

Edit. No perhaps not.

Chap he landed on his head and could have broken his neck. I suggest you calm down.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Did the RFU amend the laws again so that only they could compete for the high ball? That yellow was ludicrous, he had his hands on the ball.

Almost agree. It was dangerous though and was perhaps .1 sec too late. 50/50 call on the yellow imo

How's it a yellow? He landed on his head. Yellow isn't an option.

kingelderfield wrote:Chap he landed on his head and could have broken his neck. I suggest you calm down.

Is that a reply to me? Unfortunately in rugby, as you well know, freak injuries can occur. When two players are jumping in the air competing for a ball there is a risk attached even if both players compete fairly. You can't penalise a player for competing fairly. And you can keep your suggestions to yourself, chap.

Underhill looks like a very powerful option at 7.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

kingelderfield wrote:Chap he landed on his head and could have broken his neck. I suggest you calm down.

Is that a reply to me? Unfortunately in rugby, as you well know, freak injuries can occur. When two players are jumping in the air competing for a ball there is a risk attached even if both players compete fairly. You can't penalise a player for competing fairly. And you can keep your suggestions to yourself, chap.

He pulled brown down by the arm, am I the only one seeing that clearly

Underhill has had an effective 40. Not sure on Lawes this half . Hartley has made some carries...I'm shocked.

Slade has had glimpses of what could be.....

Worst half for Lawes for sometime. Underhill has had some crunching tackles.

Honestly Argentina need to change their selection policy.

This will go to a 30 point win.

I await the baby elephant, want to see him carrying. Our scrum is pants at the minute so can only improve

Yeah the pack looks flat. Vunipola looks ace ball in hand passing but another day to forget in the scrum. The yellow is a bad decision. Only thing it couldn't have been!

nathan wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

kingelderfield wrote:Chap he landed on his head and could have broken his neck. I suggest you calm down.

Is that a reply to me? Unfortunately in rugby, as you well know, freak injuries can occur. When two players are jumping in the air competing for a ball there is a risk attached even if both players compete fairly. You can't penalise a player for competing fairly. And you can keep your suggestions to yourself, chap.

He pulled brown down by the arm, am I the only one seeing that clearly

Yep saw that - if the ref judged it to be a dangerous challenge it had to be red as he landed on his head.

Still struggling to see this Improved carrying of Lawes....the strip from Hernandez was not something he'll want to remember either. Better needed in the 2nd from quite a few of the senior players.

I think my feelings on Lawes is he always looks physically weaker than the other locks we have (looks like bambi). I may be completely wrong...that's just my perception.

He's been outstanding this season though so maybe just having a bad game.

Watson has taken two good high balls

Not sure Nigel likes us - called in touch when we weren’t in the first half and now a non forward pass .....

Heaf wrote:Not sure Nigel likes us - called in touch when we weren’t in the first half and now a non forward pass .....

He's Welsh. ..comes with the territory...

Is Mako playing at 10?

I also think this has been Hartley best game for England in a long time

Was that not ripped, should of been an argie lineout

Boring, tepid stuff.

England need a sizeable improvement for next Saturday.

And ARG need someone who can kick for polls.

Duty281 wrote:Boring, tepid stuff.

England need a sizeable improvement for next Saturday.

It has been poor, yes.

I'd like to see genge on for mako