Ortiz - I'll beat him

FROM THE LOS ANGELES TIMES

WBC World Welterweight champ Victor Ortiz is full of belief that he'll beat Floyd Mayweather in September.

"It's a cool thing, because ever since I was a kid, I've said I'll be the first to defeat Mayweather, and now I'm on the doorstep of making it true," Ortiz said Wednesday in his first public comments since the Sept. 17 fight for his welterweight title was announced.

"Mayweather's quick, he's a great fighter, but I've never been that impressed with his style," Ortiz said.

Ortiz, 24, will begin training soon in Ventura for his bout against Mayweather (41-0, 25 knockouts). Ortiz (29-2-2, 22 KOs) is less than two months removed from his biggest victory, a unanimous decision over former welterweight champ Andre Berto.

Mayweather, 34, will have been off for 16 months by the time he steps into the ring.

Obviously, it would seem wise for Ortiz to apply the same heavy-handed pressure he used successfully on Berto in his Mayweather bout. "That [fight plan] is in the hands of my coaches," Ortiz said.

Going into this fight Mayweather faces several distractions, including three criminal cases, and the possibility of a lucrative 2012 super fight against Manny Pacquiao.

"I don't think [Mayweather's issues] matter," Ortiz said. "He's an elite fighter, one of the greatest of all time. At the end of the day, I think boxing and reality are two separate things."

If he tries to apply "heavy handed pressure" I can see him eating counters all night long.

It is, of course, a rare boxer who opines three months before a fight that "I've essentially got very little chance in this one; my style is made for Floyd, but if I can put up a decent showing, I should be in line for the crumbs that fall from Floyd and Manny's table after they move on...."

However, such is undoubtedly the case. I'm sure that Floyd will encourage all the heavy-handed pressure that Ortiz has at his disposal. Impossible to imagine anything than a one-sided boxing clinic for twelve rounds or as long as Mayweather wants to work off the ring-rust, basically.

However, such is undoubtedly the case. I'm sure that Floyd will encourage all the heavy-handed pressure that Ortiz has at his disposal. Impossible to imagine anything than a one-sided boxing clinic for twelve rounds or as long as Mayweather wants to work off the ring-rust, basically.
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I dont think he's made for Mayweather, he has power, is fast, young, very hungry and on the up. Not his usual opponent, Mayweather's a huge favourite and rightly so, Ortiz though against it as he was against Berto, will be dangerous, especially early doors.

Won't matter. He's in a completely different league to Floyd, however young he may be. Floyd may indeed be getting a little cautious in his match-making in his middle age (like one or two others of his generation), and I'm certain that he knows what to do with the Ortizes of this world. I agree that Ortiz was up against it when he faced Berto; this is "up against it" raised to the nth power. Unless Mayweather has regressed dramatically as a fighter, then I can't see from where the danger comes of which you speak.

Though Mayweather has beaten all styles of fighters, Ortiz's come forward pressure style (ala Hatton) is best suited to Mayweather defensive countering approach.

It will be a 12 round shutout.

Ortiz may be young but boxing as they say is about levels and this to me is going to be a rerun of Floyd's exhibition fight with the late Arturo Gatti. Ortiz is fast but is he faster than Mosely, Judah (also a southpaw) or even Oscar De La Hoya. I don't think so and I doubt he hits any harder ODLH, Gatti, Mosley or Corrales to name a few.

If Victor's chin can hold out for a few rounds then maybe Floydy's age will show later in the fight. Mayweather is not a huge puncher but he is damn accurate and if your chin is not sturdy then those hawkeye combos will bring an end to this by round 7

Ortiz may be young but boxing as they say is about levels and this to me is going to be a rerun of Floyd's exhibition fight with the late Arturo Gatti. Ortiz is fast but is he faster than Mosely, Judah (also a southpaw) or even Oscar De La Hoya. I don't think so and I doubt he hits any harder ODLH, Gatti, Mosley or Corrales to name a few.

If Victor's chin can hold out for a few rounds then maybe Floydy's age will show later in the fight. Mayweather is not a huge puncher but he is damn accurate and if your chin is not sturdy then those hawkeye combos will bring an end to this by round 7
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No disrespect to Gatti rip, but he isnt in the same league as Ortiz, Victor is fast and can box well when he wants and was a star amateur, Gatti was a predictable come forward brawler, i remember sky saying the same about the Hatton fight and then Nicky Piper rightly saying Gatti wasnt in Hatton's league, right as well, he wasn't in Ortiz' league either. Ortiz won't be a sitting duck like that.

Young_Towzer wrote:..........Ortiz won't be a sitting duck like that.

Problem its Mayweather brillance that makes the Gatti's/Hatton's of this world look like that, and i'm sure when Ortiz fights Mayweather people will be saying the same of him being a come foward plodder, who looked like a sitting duck against Floyd.

Problem its Mayweather brillance that makes the Gatti's/Hatton's of this world look like that, and i'm sure after a 12 round beatdown or Ortiz, people will be saying the same of him being a come foward plodder, who looked like a sitting duck against Floyd.
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I just dont think anybody's invincible, i think at 34, after 16 months out of the ring and 2 fights in 4 years Ortiz can capitalise, i really do. Mayweather is a huge favourite but he has so much going on in his life, if Ortiz can ignore all the bull he comes out with, and i think he can as he did with Berto he has a chance here.

Young_Towzer wrote:Ortiz may be young but boxing as they say is about levels and this to me is going to be a rerun of Floyd's exhibition fight with the late Arturo Gatti. Ortiz is fast but is he faster than Mosely, Judah (also a southpaw) or even Oscar De La Hoya. I don't think so and I doubt he hits any harder ODLH, Gatti, Mosley or Corrales to name a few.

If Victor's chin can hold out for a few rounds then maybe Floydy's age will show later in the fight. Mayweather is not a huge puncher but he is damn accurate and if your chin is not sturdy then those hawkeye combos will bring an end to this by round 7
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No disrespect to Gatti rip, but he isnt in the same league as Ortiz, Victor is fast and can box well when he wants and was a star amateur, Gatti was a predictable come forward brawler, i remember sky saying the same about the Hatton fight and then Nicky Piper rightly saying Gatti wasnt in Hatton's league, right as well, he wasn't in Ortiz' league either. Ortiz won't be a sitting duck like that.

Ortiz is pretty easy to hit, he will be a sitting duck. Question is whether he can walk through walls to get to FMJ and force the pace to his tune not to Floyds.

Think the only thing that'll save Ortiz not getting knocked out is that he's naturally bigger than FMJ and only seems to go down off big howitzers... he doesn't seem to see much coming and wears an awful lot but does appear to have the whiskers to hold off the relatively light punching FMJ.

Towzer, you come across as a deluded cheerleader blowing Ortiz's trumpet like this. Face it, he's shown NOTHING up to now which would suggest he'll succeed where 40+ other fighters have failed.

He may well be on the doorstep of making his dream come true, but I predict that as one door opens then another, in the shape of a fist, will slam right in his face.

Ortiz has no chance of out boxing Floyd and so he will, like all of Floyd's other opponents end up trying to put pressure on him and end up being served an all you can eat buffet of leather.

I know Ortiz has just come of career best win against Berto, but Floyd's name will be mentioned with the likes of Sugar Ray's Hearns, etc in years to come and Victor does not have it in his arsenal to beat a great like Floyd.

Towzer, you come across as a deluded cheerleader blowing Ortiz's trumpet like this. Face it, he's shown NOTHING up to now which would suggest he'll succeed where 40+ other fighters have failed.

He may well be on the doorstep of making his dream come true, but I predict that as one door opens then another, in the shape of a fist, will slam right in his face.
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Victor's been one of my best fighters since i was about 16, i like and rate him. He has he showed me in the Berto fight he is world class, he is in with a shout imo, i think he'll stop him if he lands, it will be difficult on points because Mayweather nicks rounds, however he's lazy and Ortiz can outwork him, i expect Ortiz to land at some point and if he does i expect him to finish him were Mosley couldn't

Young_Towzer wrote:Problem its Mayweather brillance that makes the Gatti's/Hatton's of this world look like that, and i'm sure after a 12 round beatdown or Ortiz, people will be saying the same of him being a come foward plodder, who looked like a sitting duck against Floyd.
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I just dont think anybody's invincible, i think at 34, after 16 months out of the ring and 2 fights in 4 years Ortiz can capitalise, i really do. Mayweather is a huge favourite but he has so much going on in his life, if Ortiz can ignore all the bull he comes out with, and i think he can as he did with Berto he has a chance here.

Last time, use the quote button please - it's not hard and you're only making the rest of us moan. It's netiquette southpaw, i've asked nicely - the rest of us manage.

And i don't think Ortiz has the tools as he's too one handed. His main big shot is that big left hand and he does rely on it too much. Floyd isn't Berto and is a different kettle of fish completely, he won't be there to hit and controls the pace brilliantly. As i said above, Ortiz has to somehow make FMJ fight at a rapid pace - which is hard as when you push the gas pedal you're met with a series of counters before he's suddenly not there to hit. And trust me, that's enough to put most of repeatedly coming in for more punishment.

And naughty step people (i'm busy strolling around the pavement!) - can we behave on this thread?

I just don't see how Ortiz wins this one. Think so many people have assumed pressure is the way to beat Floyd he has faced it so many times he pretty much has how to deal with it down pat. There is always the possibility any fighter over 30 can get old overnight but whilst he is obviously a clown, Floyd is a diligent trainer and does not blow up in weight, couple this with the lack of out and out wars he has had and I do not see this happening in this one.

If Ortiz can land and throws caution to the wind early he may buzz Floyd early but would have to go with the consensus calling this a fairly wide UD for Floyd, have simply seen nothing in Ortiz to suggest he is anywhere near Floyds level.

I just don't see how Ortiz wins this one. Think so many people have assumed pressure is the way to beat Floyd he has faced it so many times he pretty much has how to deal with it down pat. There is always the possibility any fighter over 30 can get old overnight but whilst he is obviously a clown, Floyd is a diligent trainer and does not blow up in weight, couple this with the lack of out and out wars he has had and I do not see this happening in this one.

If Ortiz can land and throws caution to the wind early he may buzz Floyd early but would have to go with the consensus calling this a fairly wide UD for Floyd, have simply seen nothing in Ortiz to suggest he is anywhere near Floyds level.
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Listen rowley, i think Ortiz can knock him spark out, and i know people expect Mayweather to win and i don't blame them, he's a huge favourite, i also dont have a problem with people thinking i'm a bit mad when i say Ortiz can destroy him, but i have my reasoning, i don't think this guy's superhuman, as his mental problems prove and i think he CAN be beat.

YT am fairly sure you've had the PM about your tone on here and far be it from me to tell anyone how to conduct themselves on here but opening repsonses with phrases like Listen Rowley is hardly in the spirit of accord those in charge are attempting to foster on these boards.

I say this as unfortunately not everyone on here is as agreeable, forgiving and placid as myself.

Young_Towzer wrote:Towzer, you come across as a deluded cheerleader blowing Ortiz's trumpet like this. Face it, he's shown NOTHING up to now which would suggest he'll succeed where 40+ other fighters have failed.

He may well be on the doorstep of making his dream come true, but I predict that as one door opens then another, in the shape of a fist, will slam right in his face.
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Victor's been one of my best fighters since i was about 16, i like and rate him. He has he showed me in the Berto fight he is world class, he is in with a shout imo, i think he'll stop him if he lands, it will be difficult on points because Mayweather nicks rounds, however he's lazy and Ortiz can outwork him, i expect Ortiz to land at some point and if he does i expect him to finish him were Mosley couldn't

How old are you now...17?

Not sure how beating Berto proves he's world class though. Whilst Berto had a strap and was the WBC's bright young thing (nice guy and all that) he hadn't progressed as well as many had hoped. Maybe it's a hangover from the Haiti earthquake disaster that derailed him slightly, but Ortiz certainly didn't look "World Class" against him. Yes, he got off the floor, but more importanly, he got put on the floor walking into silly shots...not exactly world class credentials.

Perhaps I'm being harsh on you but to me, you're just another D4 type poster looking to hype up his favourite fighters this week to the irritation of everyone else. We'll have to keep a close eye on you.

YT am fairly sure you've had the PM about your tone on here and far be it from me to tell anyone how to conduct themselves on here but opening repsonses with phrases like Listen Rowley is hardly in the spirit of accord those in charge are attempting to foster on these boards.

I say this as unfortunately not everyone on here is as agreeable, forgiving and placid as myself.
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I havent had the PM about anything mate, i wouldn't do nothing on here to please a MOD or ADMIN, if i was warned i would obviously calm it, i said i dont blame people for thinking i'm mad for thinking Ortiz will knock him out. No need to start getting all funny. Richie Woodhall says hey listen all the time, is he threatening? baffling, it's a figure of speech

For me I have never believed pressure is the way to beat Mayweather. Due to Floyd's speed you have seriously work on timing to try and counter his shots. Also, I would say you need very high level of fitness as to avoid Floyd's counter punches is to have a high volume output when you punch (expect to miss some) and then back off out harms reach. A disciplined Paul Williams would have been a good test for this due to his non stop punching(as he did when he beat Winky Wright) and advantages in height and reach, but in recent years become more brawler than boxer.

Mayweather lazy? Dear me. He may not throw a punch a second but his ringwork is far from lazy and there is never a moment where he is not fully concentrated and reading his opponent.

Unfortunately people seem to be increasingly buying that motoring forward, swinging and missing trumps quality defensive work and accurate counter punching. The de la Hoya fight being a noteable example where one judge bought "innefective" aggression over Mayweathers clearly superior work.

There is nothing lazy about Mayweathers approach, training or performance in his fights.

For me I have never believed pressure is the way to beat Mayweather. Due to Floyd's speed you have seriously work on timing to try and counter his shots. Also, I would say you need very high level of fitness as to avoid Floyd's counter punches is to have a high volume output when you punch (expect to miss some) and then back off out harms reach. A disciplined Paul Williams would have been a good test for this due to his non stop punching(as he did when he beat Winky Wright) and advantages in height and reach, but in recent years become more brawler than boxer.
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I think the way to beat him is to pressure him with lots of movement, i don't see the point sitting off him waiting for him to counter, i dont think it takes a fighter to go at him relentlessly without defence ala Hatton. I think the way to beat him is to make him work 180 seconds of every round and throw lots of punches in bunches at him, i have always said it and Mosley proved it as well that defensive roll thing he does is suspect to a right hand over the top. I honestly don't think you beat this guy by timing counters, you have to break his heart and make him work 180 seconds of every round imo.

Unfortunately people seem to be increasingly buying that motoring forward, swinging and missing trumps quality defensive work and accurate counter punching. The de la Hoya fight being a noteable example where one judge bought "innefective" aggression over Mayweathers clearly superior work.
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Spot on Lion, far too often judges confuse aggression with "effective" aggression, also people confuse economy with laziness. Floyd is not lazy by any stretch, what he is though is economical. He simply does not throw anything unless he is confident it will land, which to be honest is what every fighter should do.

There is nothing lazy about Mayweathers approach, training or performance in his fights.
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He's a lazy fighter, Marlon Starling was labelled Lazy and worked a lot harder than him in the ring. He's a superb fighter with effective results but painfully lazy in the ring imo. He just doesn't put his foot on the gas when he hurts someone

He just doesn't put his foot on the gas when he hurts someone
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Perhaps Floyd is of the opinion that he doesn't have to beat someone up to beat them. Maybe he relishes the opportunity to show of his skills for 12 rounds as opposed to mauling forward with the same game plan round after round in the hope someone gets tired, bored or sloppy. Perhaps he just takes a perverse delight in schooling and humiliating opponents.

Put it this way, I believe Ortiz (and you) are in for a rude awakening come 17th September

Southpaw-First things first; did you write the OP or is it cut and pasted from elsewhere? Reason being, if it's not your own work it's best to acknowledge your source, for legal reasons.

Secondly, supposing Ortiz were to spring the upset, you've stated it could be the case that Mayweather has slipped a bit. If that were the case it'd only detract from any win by Ortiz.

Southpaw-First things first; did you write the OP or is it cut and pasted from elsewhere? Reason being, if it's not your own work it's best to acknowledge your source, for legal reasons.

Secondly, supposing Ortiz were to spring the upset, you've stated it could be the case that Mayweather has slipped a bit. If that were the case it'd only detract from any win by Ortiz.
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It was from the Los angeles times, i copy and pasted it

No, lets get things right, this guy's supposedly unbeateable, If Ortiz beats him, he'll be known the world over, i think we both know that.

How old are you now...17?

Not sure how beating Berto proves he's world class though. Whilst Berto had a strap and was the WBC's bright young thing (nice guy and all that) he hadn't progressed as well as many had hoped. Maybe it's a hangover from the Haiti earthquake disaster that derailed him slightly, but Ortiz certainly didn't look "World Class" against him. Yes, he got off the floor, but more importanly, he got put on the floor walking into silly shots...not exactly world class credentials.

Perhaps I'm being harsh on you but to me, you're just another D4 type poster looking to hype up his favourite fighters this week to the irritation of everyone else. We'll have to keep a close eye on you.
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Do us a favour pal, if you want to be funny just comment on someone else's article and don't entertain anything i do. I'm 21 and don;t mind a joke but it says quite clearly how old i am, so disco dave go and jive on another article, cheers pal

Young_Towzer wrote:There is nothing lazy about Mayweathers approach, training or performance in his fights.
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He's a lazy fighter, Marlon Starling was labelled Lazy and worked a lot harder than him in the ring. He's a superb fighter with effective results but painfully lazy in the ring imo. He just doesn't put his foot on the gas when he hurts someone

Have you seen his fights with Corrales, Gatti, Hatton or Mitchell? More than capable of applying the pressure when needed.

He is not a big puncher at welterweight, and thus he doesnt often have his man badly hurt and rarely needs to press for a KO. He is not lazy at all. His style is to outbox, not neccessarily to stop his opponent.

I'm 21 and don;t mind a joke but it says quite clearly how old i am
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Wow, so because you said you're 21 years old, we're supposed to accept that as Gospel? Mind you, given it appears you're Southpaw in another guise, it all makes perfect sense now.

Au revoir!!!!!!!!

Also worth remembering Floyd has problems with his hands, up at welter it is probably not in his interests to go for broke too often. We can only speculate as to how bad the hands are but perhaps they are bad enough to make it not worth the pain to really go for the KO's

Have you seen his fights with Corrales, Gatti, Hatton or Mitchell? More than capable of applying the pressure when needed.
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I sure have pal

CORRALES - Not in Victor's league, R.I.P and was a good performance by Mayweather

GATTI - Far too predictable and didn't he fight Gatti when Harris wanted the fight and kicked off about it? not like Floyd that.

MITCHELL - A knockout tester, Tszyu destroyed him a few times, again not in Ortiz' league.

HATTON - Fought the daftest fight i've ever seen in a world title fight apart from Honeyghan against Starling. Ortiz is naturally bigger and will make him work imo.

I am sure everyone has their own view on how you could beat Mayweather but I am confident enough to state it won't happen when he fights Ortiz and I actually fancy Floyd to score his first stoppage since beating Hatton.

I think people need to put aside Floyd's out of ring issues and focus on what he is, a fighter. Love him or hate him, you can only say he is and all time great who has made legacy of not only beating other great fighters, but absolutely dominating them.

Wow, so because you said you're 21 years old, we're supposed to accept that as Gospel? Mind you, given it appears you're Southpaw in another guise, it all makes perfect sense now.

Au revoir!!!!!!!!
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I don't care what you believe, i'm not the one on someone's article commenting then trying to cause an argument, but you do have an history of trying to cause arguments don't you, that ADHD!.

Ciao!!!!!!!!!!

Young_Towzer wrote:Wow, so because you said you're 21 years old, we're supposed to accept that as Gospel? Mind you, given it appears you're Southpaw in another guise, it all makes perfect sense now.

Au revoir!!!!!!!!
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I don't care what you believe, i'm not the one on someone's article commenting then trying to cause an argument, but you do have an history of trying to cause arguments don't you, that ADHD!.

Ciao!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps your propensity for saying outlandish things designed to garner attention for yourself is the reason why most of your stuff degenerates in slanging matches, and you do have a history of writing articles designed to garner attention for yourself don't you..that narcissism!

Cheers now, Southpaw. Bored of the new you already!

Perhaps your propensity for saying outlandish things designed to garner attention for yourself is the reason why most of your stuff degenerates in slanging matches, and you do have a history of writing articles designed to garner attention for yourself don't you..that narcissism!

Cheers now, Southpaw. Bored of the new you already!
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New me, i'll never change lol trust me on that one. I love who i am, so much so that you cannot keep off my articles, i made an article to talk about the upcoming Ortiz fight and what Ortiz had said, were in the article did it mention Young_Towzer, cheeres Rodney.

Young_Towzer wrote:Have you seen his fights with Corrales, Gatti, Hatton or Mitchell? More than capable of applying the pressure when needed.
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I sure have pal

CORRALES - Not in Victor's league, R.I.P and was a good performance by Mayweather

GATTI - Far too predictable and didn't he fight Gatti when Harris wanted the fight and kicked off about it? not like Floyd that.

MITCHELL - A knockout tester, Tszyu destroyed him a few times, again not in Ortiz' league.

HATTON - Fought the daftest fight i've ever seen in a world title fight apart from Honeyghan against Starling. Ortiz is naturally bigger and will make him work imo.

Well you have changed the goalposts entirely now. You said that he was a lazy fighter that didnt apply the pressure. The above are all examples of fights where he did apply pressure and attack when his opponent was hurt. You have just come out with a bunch of excuses and irrelevant points to the topic at hand.

I would also add that out muscling and out hustling a known effective pressure fighter in Hatton and standing in front of Mosely and being the aggressore taking the initiative are further examples of Mayweathers merits and expose the idea of him being lazy.

How does a lazy fighter win 41 out of 41

Young_Towzer wrote:There is nothing lazy about Mayweathers approach, training or performance in his fights.
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He's a lazy fighter, Marlon Starling was labelled Lazy and worked a lot harder than him in the ring. He's a superb fighter with effective results but painfully lazy in the ring imo. He just doesn't put his foot on the gas when he hurts someone

Priceless!!! Why do you watch boxing if you can't understand all aspects of it. Charging in for the kill when someone gets wobbled is good, but watching someones heart being broken and being humiliated for 12 rounds is just as good if not better. And Floyd must be good if he got all his knockouts by not hurting his opponants or taking his foot off the gas.

Ortiz is a good solid fighter, he looks strong at the weight, has good power, is young, hungry and a southpaw. Mayweather cannot afford to take him lightly.

Having said that Ortiz is a couple of levels below mayweather in terms of skill, he's not as quick, he's easy to hit with the straight right - mayweathers favourite counter punch, and he doesnt have mayweathers experience or ring smarts.

I said after ortiz beat berto lets not all get ahead of ourselves. Berto himself was unproven his best win coming against quintana, and ortiz had to get off the floor to get that job done. Mayweather is light years ahead of berto. It wasn't so long ago Ortiz was looking like a fringe competitor at 140 behind khan, alexander and bradley, having quit against the crude maidana and drawn with peterson. He took his chance well but to suddenly elevate him to the man that'll beat mayweather following a gutsy display against a guy mayweather would take to school is a bit ridiculous.

Ortiz will try to bully and beat mayweather up, becaue he knows he cant outbox him. His team will look at the effective pressure castillio applied that shouldve won him the first fight. Trouble is mayweather has learned from that and is a better fighter now. Oscar and hatton both tried to pile on the pressure but neither landed anything of significance whilst eating accurate counters all night. Mosley landed a couple of big punches that floyd sucked up - and i'd wager shane packs a bigger punch that ortiz at 147.

After 16 months out mayweather hasn't picked an opponent at random - ortiz has a title, a name, a flavour of the month profile and an exciting style - but he alos has vulnerabilities that were exposed not so long ago and mayweather will chosen him on the usual risk vs reward basis he's been applying the last few years - ie becuase it looks a good fight but he knows he can beat him. Unless mayweather has suffered a significant decline in the last 16 months or ortiz gets luckier than the last 41 opponents with a huge shot then mayweather will give him a boxing lesson and cruise to a wide UD all day long and twice on sundays.

Someone tell southpaw he's wrong. Wait, you all are.

Lazy fighter? Give me a break for a bit, please.

Setting traps, feinting, inviting opponents into range with movements - he's not lazy but incredibly clever. He doesn't waste punches either.

I think you need to go away and study the sport a bit before labelling him lazy, it's a pretty ignorant statement to make and i hope every single poster mocking you over it is enough to suggest you're wrong.

And just quietly SBS Roach reckons he's picked Ortiz because he's a come forwards left and is setting himself up for someone else as a consequence.

Can't think for love nor money which lefty Roach meant though.....

p.s. has Windy had a coronary writing his PMs? You lot are one naughty bunch doing that to him

coxy0001 wrote:And just quietly SBS Roach reckons he's picked Ortiz because he's a come forwards left and is setting himself up for someone else as a consequence.

Can't think for love nor money which lefty Roach meant though.....

Martinez? Williams? Hmmmmmmm. No I'm stumped.

That same thought had occurred to me when this fight was mooted weeks ago, think I posted it on here somewhere. Whether 'that' fight happens or not is anyone's guess, but whilst it remains a possibility it's no surprise to see mayweather take on an opponent with similar, if less effective traits. Likewise manny is fighting a counter puncher next instead of his recent diet of bigger, come forward types. Watch this space i gues...

I think you need to go away and study the sport a bit before labelling him lazy, it's a pretty ignorant statement to make and i hope every single poster mocking you over it is enough to suggest you're wrong.
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no, i don;t study the sport i watch fights, don't sit for hours watching tapes, videos. I said he's lazy fighter imo, didn't say he wasn't a quality fighter, i suggest you realise i don't think i'm wrong cheers

Everybody knows that to beat Mayweather you need to use the Ali shuffle (confuses a lot of guys a bit like the Ronaldinho step over) and the Apollo creed move where he windmills his left then throws the right. Amazing how many guys fall for this one. Prince Naz was a great student of this tactic and it can also be seen effectively used in the John West tinned salmon advert where the bear KTFO's the fisherman.

Pacman doesn't need Roach or PED's, he needs the Eye of the Tiger and an Ali shuffle.