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Miguel Cotto is overrated
Not because he's beaten nothing but faded champs and inexperienced fringe contenders barely out of the Olympics, and not because most of his wins were at a weight class that he was too big for, but because people used to consider him to be this much of a threat to Floyd Mayweather even after knowing these facts.
All that we've been getting since the Hatton fight, is references to Cotto this and how Floyd is ducking him or avoiding him, etc, etc.. Cotto fans are building him into another Margarito based on Floyd's name; it is an endless cycle. The acclaim basically comes from two wins through out his 38 fight and 10 year career.
It is so undeniably hilarious that Floyd almost gets no credit for beating Zab, but Cotto does, even with the year lay-off and previous 2 losses. It bewilders the mind.
NEVER been the man at 140
NEVER been the man at 147
NEVER been the man at 154
Ducked Hatton and Floyd Mayweather at 140, nearly got beat at the weight by Paulie Malignaggi. Quit against Margarito and Pacquiao. Nearly quit against Clottey and Mosley. Went into survival mode against Mosley, Mosley threw the fight away more than Cotto won it. No doubt in my mind a prime Mosley smashes him to pieces. Ricky Hatton is a better fighter than him and would knock him out at 140 but Bob Arum helped him duck the challengers there and he knew Floyd Mayweather would expose Cotto so ducked Floyd Mayweather at 140 and 147.
Therefore, Cotto's status among some of his fans is unjustified. Moving up from 140 and 147 before winning a lineal title is already a bad sign and he still hasn't won one, yet Mayweather did in his 18th fight.
All that we've been getting since the Hatton fight, is references to Cotto this and how Floyd is ducking him or avoiding him, etc, etc.. Cotto fans are building him into another Margarito based on Floyd's name; it is an endless cycle. The acclaim basically comes from two wins through out his 38 fight and 10 year career.
It is so undeniably hilarious that Floyd almost gets no credit for beating Zab, but Cotto does, even with the year lay-off and previous 2 losses. It bewilders the mind.
NEVER been the man at 140
NEVER been the man at 147
NEVER been the man at 154
Ducked Hatton and Floyd Mayweather at 140, nearly got beat at the weight by Paulie Malignaggi. Quit against Margarito and Pacquiao. Nearly quit against Clottey and Mosley. Went into survival mode against Mosley, Mosley threw the fight away more than Cotto won it. No doubt in my mind a prime Mosley smashes him to pieces. Ricky Hatton is a better fighter than him and would knock him out at 140 but Bob Arum helped him duck the challengers there and he knew Floyd Mayweather would expose Cotto so ducked Floyd Mayweather at 140 and 147.
Therefore, Cotto's status among some of his fans is unjustified. Moving up from 140 and 147 before winning a lineal title is already a bad sign and he still hasn't won one, yet Mayweather did in his 18th fight.
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First you have to tell us how/where he is rate.....for us to judge if he is overrated???? What is his status??
Never hear the word great espoused when referring to him so that's right...
However he is a quality champion in an age of mediocrity so he deserves some recognition.
Never hear the word great espoused when referring to him so that's right...
However he is a quality champion in an age of mediocrity so he deserves some recognition.
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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:First you have to tell us how/where he is rate.....for us to judge if he is overrated???? What is his status??
Never hear the word great espoused when referring to him so that's right...
However he is a quality champion in an age of mediocrity so he deserves some recognition.
Trussman I have heard fans call him a hall of famer but if he has never been the man at any of the weights does a close win over a faded Mosley justify a hall of fame place?
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He is overrated then if that is the case.....However Mcguigan, Canizales are in the hof....he's better than them..
Wouldn't be a candidate for the better, more respected 606 hall of fame though.
That's all that counts..
Wouldn't be a candidate for the better, more respected 606 hall of fame though.
That's all that counts..
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He would have been the best at 140 for me but there were bigger fights to be had at welter. Inclined to think that in the who avoided who with Hatton, Hatton was very much the one who wanted to cherry pick his way to a big fight rather than risk a thrashing in front of a US audience against Cotto.
Nearly beaten by Malignaggi? What fight was this? He gave Malignaggi a sound beating, flooring him and breaking his jaw.
No mention of any his acheivements?
As mentioned above, there are worse or equal people in the HoF than Cotto so its unsurprising to see him mentioned as a potential future candidate.
Given the circumstances of the Margarito fight, I tend to view him as having just the one defeat to Pacquiao and he has recorded many fine wins over divisional contenders.
Nearly beaten by Malignaggi? What fight was this? He gave Malignaggi a sound beating, flooring him and breaking his jaw.
No mention of any his acheivements?
As mentioned above, there are worse or equal people in the HoF than Cotto so its unsurprising to see him mentioned as a potential future candidate.
Given the circumstances of the Margarito fight, I tend to view him as having just the one defeat to Pacquiao and he has recorded many fine wins over divisional contenders.
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The genius of PBF wrote: nearly got beat at the weight by Paulie Malignaggi. Quit against Margarito and Pacquiao. Nearly quit against Clottey and Mosley. Ricky Hatton is a better fighter than him and would knock him out
Nearly got beat by Malignaggi? He broke his jaw and won handily on points.
Quit against Pacquiao? The referee stopped it.
Nearly quit against Clottey and Mosley? When?
Ricky Hatton a better fighter? Maybe in alternate universe.
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He may be overrated by some but nowhere near as badly underrated as he is this article.
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Only overrated by some. You have a history with southpaw_20 who rates him highly so I suspect this article is aimed in his direction? I think you underrate him as much as sp_20 overrrates him.
He's a fine boxer puncher who beat a better version of mosley than floyd did, he also has good wins over paulie, Judah, Torres and clottey to name a few. Won titles at 3 weights too. I don't recall him ever ducking hatton or mayweather at 140, they were just fights that didn't happen - you're just apportioning blame on Cotto to beef up your argument.
You're right he's never been the man at any of his weights, I find that he loses his way when he's been hurt and personally I wouldn't quite have him as a HoF fighter. But given some of the names already in there you can't really blame Cotto fans for saying he should be in there one day too.
He's a fine boxer puncher who beat a better version of mosley than floyd did, he also has good wins over paulie, Judah, Torres and clottey to name a few. Won titles at 3 weights too. I don't recall him ever ducking hatton or mayweather at 140, they were just fights that didn't happen - you're just apportioning blame on Cotto to beef up your argument.
You're right he's never been the man at any of his weights, I find that he loses his way when he's been hurt and personally I wouldn't quite have him as a HoF fighter. But given some of the names already in there you can't really blame Cotto fans for saying he should be in there one day too.
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Colonial Lion wrote:He would have been the best at 140 for me but there were bigger fights to be had at welter. Inclined to think that in the who avoided who with Hatton, Hatton was very much the one who wanted to cherry pick his way to a big fight rather than risk a thrashing in front of a US audience against Cotto.
Nearly beaten by Malignaggi? What fight was this? He gave Malignaggi a sound beating, flooring him and breaking his jaw.
No mention of any his acheivements?
As mentioned above, there are worse or equal people in the HoF than Cotto so its unsurprising to see him mentioned as a potential future candidate.
Given the circumstances of the Margarito fight, I tend to view him as having just the one defeat to Pacquiao and he has recorded many fine wins over divisional contenders.
Excuses why didn't he face Hatton, Tszyu or Floyd Mayweather at 140. Cotto was the one who avoided the fight, doesn't like pressure fighters does he.
Watch the Malignaggi fight again it was close, Malignaggi outboxed him at times. He got hurt by the mighty punching power of Malignaggi! No great fighter should have trouble with him, Khan and Hatton showed how it's done.
Cotto fans trying to convince themselves he never got beat by Margarito.
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Michael Easton wrote:The genius of PBF wrote: nearly got beat at the weight by Paulie Malignaggi. Quit against Margarito and Pacquiao. Nearly quit against Clottey and Mosley. Ricky Hatton is a better fighter than him and would knock him out
Nearly got beat by Malignaggi? He broke his jaw and won handily on points.
Quit against Pacquiao? The referee stopped it.
Nearly quit against Clottey and Mosley? When?
Ricky Hatton a better fighter? Maybe in alternate universe.
He stopped trying to win in the last 7 rounds against Pacquiao, for me he submitted after getting badly hurt, if he is such a warrior why not go out on his shield!
End of both Mosley and Clottey fights he went into survival mode...Luckily for him they wasn't 15 rounders otherwise I believe he would have quit like he did against Margarito.
Yes I believe he is a better fighter than Miguel Cotto...The man at 140 for 4 years, stopped Tsyzu who was higher up the P4P rankings than Mosley when Cotto barely beat him. Never got beat by a average Margarito, only lost to Floyd Mayweather and Pacquiao.
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Took the unbeaten records of Maussa, Torres and Malignaggi at LWW. Add to that Corley, Ndou and Branco.
Took the unbeaten scalp of Quintana at WW. Also beat Clottey, Mosely and Judah there.
Captured a third world title at LMW beating an unbeaten Foreman and beting Mayorga.
He is a fine fighter. A notch below the big two, but very much near the top of the best of the rest.
And to repeat what others have said, there are worse fighters than him in the HoF already so its entirely plausible that he be mentioned in those terms.
If a few people think he the second coming of SRR so be it, doesnt make this one sided article anymore legitimate then their views.
Took the unbeaten scalp of Quintana at WW. Also beat Clottey, Mosely and Judah there.
Captured a third world title at LMW beating an unbeaten Foreman and beting Mayorga.
He is a fine fighter. A notch below the big two, but very much near the top of the best of the rest.
And to repeat what others have said, there are worse fighters than him in the HoF already so its entirely plausible that he be mentioned in those terms.
If a few people think he the second coming of SRR so be it, doesnt make this one sided article anymore legitimate then their views.
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Hatton has a slightly better 140lb record, but overall Cotto's record wipes the floor with Hattons IMO
Average Margarito? How exactly did you work that one out?
Average Margarito? How exactly did you work that one out?
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manos de piedra wrote:Took the unbeaten records of Maussa, Torres and Malignaggi at LWW. Add to that Corley, Ndou and Branco.
Took the unbeaten scalp of Quintana at WW. Also beat Clottey, Mosely and Judah there.
Captured a third world title at LMW beating an unbeaten Foreman and beting Mayorga.
He is a fine fighter. A notch below the big two, but very much near the top of the best of the rest.
And to repeat what others have said, there are worse fighters than him in the HoF already so its entirely plausible that he be mentioned in those terms.
If a few people think he the second coming of SRR so be it, doesnt make this one sided article anymore legitimate then their views.
If your going to laud wins over dross like Maussa, Torres, Ndou, Branco, Foreman and Corley. Then we should praise Hattons wins over unbeaten Urango, Maussa, Castillo, Phillips etc.
He beat a rusty Judah coming off 2 losses and way over the hill Mayorga. Thought he got beat by Clottey to be honest.
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Didn't like the way that after getting tagged by Zab the 'warrior' Cotto went all dirty and began hitting below the belt in order to buy some time and boy some of Cotto's hits were way way below the belt, should have been disqual'd....
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wow_junky wrote:Hatton has a slightly better 140lb record, but overall Cotto's record wipes the floor with Hattons IMO
Average Margarito? How exactly did you work that one out?
Hatton has the better record for me overrall, been the man at 140 and champ at 2 different weights. Cotto has cherry picked wins at 140 and 154. Yes Margarito is average...shown up against Pacquiao, Mosley, Santos and Williams. Has no skill whatsover yet hit the overrated Cotto at will.
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Trying to bait Hitmansam and Young_Towzer aka Steven/Southpaw?
It will most probably work though.
I'll look foward to returning to this article tommorrow. By then, I'd imagine it might have escalated into World War 3.
It will most probably work though.
I'll look foward to returning to this article tommorrow. By then, I'd imagine it might have escalated into World War 3.
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The genius of PBF wrote:manos de piedra wrote:Took the unbeaten records of Maussa, Torres and Malignaggi at LWW. Add to that Corley, Ndou and Branco.
Took the unbeaten scalp of Quintana at WW. Also beat Clottey, Mosely and Judah there.
Captured a third world title at LMW beating an unbeaten Foreman and beting Mayorga.
He is a fine fighter. A notch below the big two, but very much near the top of the best of the rest.
And to repeat what others have said, there are worse fighters than him in the HoF already so its entirely plausible that he be mentioned in those terms.
If a few people think he the second coming of SRR so be it, doesnt make this one sided article anymore legitimate then their views.
If your going to laud wins over dross like Maussa, Torres, Ndou, Branco, Foreman and Corley. Then we should praise Hattons wins over unbeaten Urango, Maussa, Castillo, Phillips etc.
He beat a rusty Judah coming off 2 losses and way over the hill Mayorga. Thought he got beat by Clottey to be honest.
Well if I ever write a dross article starting with "Hatton is Overrated":
Not because he's beaten nothing but faded champs and inexperienced fringe contenders barely out of the Olympics, and not because most of his wins were at a weight class that he was too big for, but because people used to consider him to be this much of a threat to Floyd Mayweather even after knowing these facts.
Then by all means point to these wins as evidence.
Cotto edges Hattons records at LWW for me. Beat more top divisional names at better times than Hatton. Also think Cotto beats Hatton at any weight.
Interesting that you discount Cottos wins over Mayorga and Judah yet dont feel inclined to do the same for Hattons over Tszyu and Castillo.
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The genius of PBF wrote:wow_junky wrote:Hatton has a slightly better 140lb record, but overall Cotto's record wipes the floor with Hattons IMO
Average Margarito? How exactly did you work that one out?
Hatton has the better record for me overrall, been the man at 140 and champ at 2 different weights. Cotto has cherry picked wins at 140 and 154. Yes Margarito is average...shown up against Pacquiao, Mosley, Santos and Williams. Has no skill whatsover yet hit the overrated Cotto at will.
Cherry picked wins at 140lb? Malignaggi is probably Hatton's 2nd best win, Cotto spanked him 2 years prior. If you want to talk about cherry picking, go check out Hatton's WBU title reign
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manos de piedra wrote:The genius of PBF wrote:manos de piedra wrote:Took the unbeaten records of Maussa, Torres and Malignaggi at LWW. Add to that Corley, Ndou and Branco.
Took the unbeaten scalp of Quintana at WW. Also beat Clottey, Mosely and Judah there.
Captured a third world title at LMW beating an unbeaten Foreman and beting Mayorga.
He is a fine fighter. A notch below the big two, but very much near the top of the best of the rest.
And to repeat what others have said, there are worse fighters than him in the HoF already so its entirely plausible that he be mentioned in those terms.
If a few people think he the second coming of SRR so be it, doesnt make this one sided article anymore legitimate then their views.
If your going to laud wins over dross like Maussa, Torres, Ndou, Branco, Foreman and Corley. Then we should praise Hattons wins over unbeaten Urango, Maussa, Castillo, Phillips etc.
He beat a rusty Judah coming off 2 losses and way over the hill Mayorga. Thought he got beat by Clottey to be honest.
Well if I ever write a dross article starting with "Hatton is Overrated":
Not because he's beaten nothing but faded champs and inexperienced fringe contenders barely out of the Olympics, and not because most of his wins were at a weight class that he was too big for, but because people used to consider him to be this much of a threat to Floyd Mayweather even after knowing these facts.
Then by all means point to these wins as evidence.
Cotto edges Hattons records at LWW for me. Beat more top divisional names at better times than Hatton. Also think Cotto beats Hatton at any weight.
Interesting that you discount Cottos wins over Mayorga and Judah yet dont feel inclined to do the same for Hattons over Tszyu and Castillo.
How do you come to the conclusion Cotto edges Hattons record at 140? Tszyu was rated top 4 in P4P rankings none of Cottos wins at any
time were rated higher than Tszyu, how on earth can you compare Tsyzy to Mayorga and Judah is beyond me. Castillo was a better fighter than both as well. Hatton beats Cotto at any weight too much pressure and the left hook to the body to finish Cotto off.
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hatton-cotto is pickem at 140 and cotto all the way at 140...
Cotto is top quality but something lacking in order for greatness...
Certainly marg didn't help...
Cotto is top quality but something lacking in order for greatness...
Certainly marg didn't help...
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wow_junky wrote:The genius of PBF wrote:wow_junky wrote:Hatton has a slightly better 140lb record, but overall Cotto's record wipes the floor with Hattons IMO
Average Margarito? How exactly did you work that one out?
Hatton has the better record for me overrall, been the man at 140 and champ at 2 different weights. Cotto has cherry picked wins at 140 and 154. Yes Margarito is average...shown up against Pacquiao, Mosley, Santos and Williams. Has no skill whatsover yet hit the overrated Cotto at will.
Cherry picked wins at 140lb? Malignaggi is probably Hatton's 2nd best win, Cotto spanked him 2 years prior. If you want to talk about cherry picking, go check out Hatton's WBU title reign
Hattons 2nd best win is Collazo and Collazo would beat Cotto. Cotto spanked Malignaggi? Really? A close fight and he spanked Malignaggi and thats why hbo and sky had it close. Khan and Hatton both showed Cotto how it's done. I suggest you look up Cotto's NABO and international title wins as cherry pick fighters.
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P4P rankings mean nothing when discussing a single fight, Tzuyu may have been ranked highly but the win is not as good as your making it out to be. Cotto is too big for Hatton to effectively pressure as the Collazo and Mayweather fights highlighted, to a lesser degree the Urango fight where he boxed rather than used relentless pressure.
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Imperial Ghosty wrote:P4P rankings mean nothing when discussing a single fight, Tzuyu may have been ranked highly but the win is not as good as your making it out to be. Cotto is too big for Hatton to effectively pressure as the Collazo and Mayweather fights highlighted, to a lesser degree the Urango fight where he boxed rather than used relentless pressure.
Time to earn some money chat to you lot later...win me some millions of dollars.
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The collazo and Mayweather fighters mean nothing as regards pressure...
Different styles make different fights....
Marg isn't the biggest hitter and he wore Cotto down..
whilst I agree Cotto wins at at 147..Making a statement like that is p$$$$$g in the air....
Hatton pressured Mayweather early...even fight after 6......
May was too good...Cotto is not in his league..
Hatton may have had an off night against Collazo......
Not sure Cotto is mentally as strong as the two you mention even if a lot more talented than Collazo..
Different styles make different fights....
Marg isn't the biggest hitter and he wore Cotto down..
whilst I agree Cotto wins at at 147..Making a statement like that is p$$$$$g in the air....
Hatton pressured Mayweather early...even fight after 6......
May was too good...Cotto is not in his league..
Hatton may have had an off night against Collazo......
Not sure Cotto is mentally as strong as the two you mention even if a lot more talented than Collazo..
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It's a size thing, against fighters he couldn't physically impose himself on he struggled and I very doubt he'd physically impose himself on a bigger fighter in Cotto. Margarito wore down Cotto because he could take his best shots and still move forward relentless, up close his size and strength started to tell.
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Hatton was a relentless fighter.....Marciano gave away weight..
Depends on the fighter being imposed on...not the weight..
Marg couldn't impose himself on Paccy could he????
Who's to say the less than strong mentally Cotto couldn't have Hatton's will imposed on him..
End of the day Hatton lost to twop p4p 1 at the time fighters..
Don't sell him short.
Depends on the fighter being imposed on...not the weight..
Marg couldn't impose himself on Paccy could he????
Who's to say the less than strong mentally Cotto couldn't have Hatton's will imposed on him..
End of the day Hatton lost to twop p4p 1 at the time fighters..
Don't sell him short.
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Not selling him short but is it really just coincidence that his pressure didn't work against the three biggest fighters he fought? Hatton is no Marciano though is he Truss and while you may be right do get the feeling that Cotto would get the better of him more times than not.
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It's not a coincidence considering he never got close to Manny!!! Fought a top 15 alltime great in Floyd and beat Collazo is it????
Hatton won a battle of wills over Kosta..who's to say the slightly less than strong mentally Cotto doesn't surrender...
Hatton won a battle of wills over Kosta..who's to say the slightly less than strong mentally Cotto doesn't surrender...
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I meant Urango not Pacquiao, despite beating both he and Collazo he didn't look very impressive doing it and his pressure didn't seem to work
You never do know but would have to favour Cotto in a prospective match up
You never do know but would have to favour Cotto in a prospective match up
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Margarito was a huge welter, Cotto was not a big enough puncher to fend him off. Marg was just too big, strong and durable for Cotto who IMO lacks a bit of mental strength when things aren't going his way.
However I'd back Miguel to beat hatton every time. Bigger and stronger with better fundamentals. I don't see how Ricky can either outbox or out muscle him at 140 or 147, just wouldn't happen. Until he left FW and fought mayweather Ricky had been a protected fighter - his win over Tsyzu was good but also as Frank himself admits a great bit of matchmaking - Tszyu was past it and a part time fighter. A prime Kosta wouldve destroyed Hatton. Rickys other best two wins were probably Collazo and Malignaagi - hardly the stuff of legends. Both hatton and Cotto fought pacquiao in '09 - Miguel won a couple of rounds (1 & 5) and wouldve won the 3rd but for a flash KD, whereas hatton was destroyed like an amateur in less than 6 minutes. Cottos win over Mosley is better than anything on rickys record including part time kosta.
However I'd back Miguel to beat hatton every time. Bigger and stronger with better fundamentals. I don't see how Ricky can either outbox or out muscle him at 140 or 147, just wouldn't happen. Until he left FW and fought mayweather Ricky had been a protected fighter - his win over Tsyzu was good but also as Frank himself admits a great bit of matchmaking - Tszyu was past it and a part time fighter. A prime Kosta wouldve destroyed Hatton. Rickys other best two wins were probably Collazo and Malignaagi - hardly the stuff of legends. Both hatton and Cotto fought pacquiao in '09 - Miguel won a couple of rounds (1 & 5) and wouldve won the 3rd but for a flash KD, whereas hatton was destroyed like an amateur in less than 6 minutes. Cottos win over Mosley is better than anything on rickys record including part time kosta.
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I'd favor him yes but my point is styles make fights....
Hagler wore down genuine middles in Hamsho and Sibson ..but couldn't wear down Duran or leonard...
Think Hattom maybe finds Cotto easier to find than most...
Although you're right he doesn't beat him..
Hagler wore down genuine middles in Hamsho and Sibson ..but couldn't wear down Duran or leonard...
Think Hattom maybe finds Cotto easier to find than most...
Although you're right he doesn't beat him..
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Don't start with the four kings Truss, still to this day struggle to fathom Hagler out in all that
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Hatton had a great body attack sweetie and Cotto is a lazy fighter....
The fact you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.....
Let's face it Cotto isn't great when things aren't going his way...
workrate and bodywork, strength of mind.. etc Hatton isn't an easy night for miguel..
The fact you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.....
Let's face it Cotto isn't great when things aren't going his way...
workrate and bodywork, strength of mind.. etc Hatton isn't an easy night for miguel..
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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hatton had a great body attack sweetie and Cotto is a lazy fighter....
The fact you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.....
Let's face it Cotto isn't great when things aren't going his way...
workrate and bodywork, strength of mind.. etc Hatton isn't an easy night for miguel..
Cotto was no slouch in the body attack department truss, he could also work off a good jab (something hatton lacked) and was more compact and hard to hit. Plus having a size advantage negates rickys biggest strength of physical bullying. Cotto for me every time mate.
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Hard to hit???
Must be thinking of the wrong guy.
Marciano gave away size as did Chavez to Rosario???
It's not the size it's the guys you fight..
Hatton finds Cotto easier than others........
Cotto was lazy..
Must be thinking of the wrong guy.
Marciano gave away size as did Chavez to Rosario???
It's not the size it's the guys you fight..
Hatton finds Cotto easier than others........
Cotto was lazy..
TRUSSMAN66- Posts : 40687
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hard to hit???
Must be thinking of the guy...
Not hard to hit - harder to hit than hatton.
I like ricky but my opinion of him is a protected fighter whose best win gets blown out of proportion and who was exposed at the highest level. I see Miguel as someone with a better record, beat a lot of previously undefeated guys, is a sound boxer puncher with pretty solid fundamentals. Add that to his bigger physical presence and I'd back him to beat Ricky every time. I respect your opinion - I know you have a soft spot for our Ricky but I can't go along with it.
Sugar Boy Sweetie- Posts : 1869
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
Don't think I've ever known of a fighter who fought three top 10 p4pers in Tszyu, Mayweather and Manny..
and was protected...
I think you disrespect Hatton..you make him sound ordinary...
and was protected...
I think you disrespect Hatton..you make him sound ordinary...
TRUSSMAN66- Posts : 40687
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
I said he was protected under warren then exposed. Do you really think Tszyu was the same force when hatton got him? I'm not saying he was shot but he was certainly over the hill and barely active over the previous 2 years. I don't disrespect Ricky - I give him kudos for making the most of his talents, being an exciting fighter and generating mass interest in the sport in Britain, but neither his abilities nor his career are above scrutiny and they both fall down in certain departments, that's all.
Sugar Boy Sweetie- Posts : 1869
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
I'm not a big fan of Cotto but this article makes him out to be an ordinary fighter when in actuality he's been a top end fighter for quite a long time. I never thought he was a guy that would give Floyd much trouble when that was a fight that should have happened and I didn't give him much of a chance against Manny. However Cotto is popular because he has fought consistently good opposition, Jennings and Gomez aside, in entertaining fights with some quality wins. He's a potential hall of fame candidate and for my money would beat Hatton quite handily at 147 but at 140 it would be a closer fight.
bellchees- Posts : 1776
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
How does he hold wins "in a weight class he was too big for"?. You can pick holes in any fighters record, and I don't think he is over rated by most judging on the responses here. Still, not as dumb as some of the ".......is overated" articles posted here
horizontalhero- Posts : 938
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
The genius of PBF wrote:Not because he's beaten nothing but faded champs and inexperienced fringe contenders barely out of the Olympics, and not because most of his wins were at a weight class that he was too big for, but because people used to consider him to be this much of a threat to Floyd Mayweather even after knowing these facts.
All that we've been getting since the Hatton fight, is references to Cotto this and how Floyd is ducking him or avoiding him, etc, etc.. Cotto fans are building him into another Margarito based on Floyd's name; it is an endless cycle. The acclaim basically comes from two wins through out his 38 fight and 10 year career.
It is so undeniably hilarious that Floyd almost gets no credit for beating Zab, but Cotto does, even with the year lay-off and previous 2 losses. It bewilders the mind.
NEVER been the man at 140
NEVER been the man at 147
NEVER been the man at 154
Ducked Hatton and Floyd Mayweather at 140, nearly got beat at the weight by Paulie Malignaggi. Quit against Margarito and Pacquiao. Nearly quit against Clottey and Mosley. Went into survival mode against Mosley, Mosley threw the fight away more than Cotto won it. No doubt in my mind a prime Mosley smashes him to pieces. Ricky Hatton is a better fighter than him and would knock him out at 140 but Bob Arum helped him duck the challengers there and he knew Floyd Mayweather would expose Cotto so ducked Floyd Mayweather at 140 and 147.
Therefore, Cotto's status among some of his fans is unjustified. Moving up from 140 and 147 before winning a lineal title is already a bad sign and he still hasn't won one, yet Mayweather did in his 18th fight.
Yes Mayweather is better and people regard him as better, But Hatton and Mayweather ducked him, he didn't want to quit against clottey he was smiling after he got a huge cut - go watch the fight. No sign of him quiting in the mosley fight either and he outboxed mosley and beat him a prime mosley vs cotto = 50/50 because of the style miguel cotto can adapt. Margarito beat him with plaster hands and you you could see it from the damage it inflicted on Cotto, Pacquiao is arguably a ATG top 15 and he went 12 rounds with him, he was also even inlcuding the KD in the first 4, meaning he won all the rounds without the KD.
KO-KING- Posts : 1052
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
Was hardly a prime Mosley who he beat, better than the current version but nowhere near the fighter he used to be. Although accusations against Margarito in that fight are unfounded, watch after the fight, would Marg have taken his gloves off and shaken hands with everyone if they were wrapped in plaster?
Imperial Ghosty- Posts : 10156
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
Although accusations against Margarito in that fight are unfounded, watch after the fight, would Marg have taken his gloves off and shaken hands with everyone if they were wrapped in plaster?
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Who knows, but he's an untrustworthy piece of filth who's got form for it and I find it hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. As it happens I'd back marg to beat Cotto with or without illegal wraps as he's too strong and durable for Miguel, but that doesn't alter the fact marg is a proven cheat who deserves no leniency of opinion.
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Who knows, but he's an untrustworthy piece of filth who's got form for it and I find it hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. As it happens I'd back marg to beat Cotto with or without illegal wraps as he's too strong and durable for Miguel, but that doesn't alter the fact marg is a proven cheat who deserves no leniency of opinion.
Sugar Boy Sweetie- Posts : 1869
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
I find it very daft to say he nearly quit against Clottey when he was easily ahead after the first 4 rounds and had that massive cut which was caused by a head clash. All he had to do was say he couldn't see after the forth and he has a much easier nights work and walks away with a technical decision but he chose to fight on.
bellchees- Posts : 1776
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
Well SBS when I see proof in front of me that suggests that Margaritos hands weren't wrapped in plaster it would be foolish to assume that they were
Imperial Ghosty- Posts : 10156
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
I dont think Margarito literally doused his hands in plaster. According to brother Nazim, it was hard blocks concealed within the wraps. Its not visible to the naked eye. Brother Nazim only discovered it when he checked the wraps and the block fell out.
It would be impossible to tell sitting at home if the wraps were loaded or not as even Brother Nazim couldnt tell by just looking at them. It as only when he began to check them that he made the discovery.
It would be impossible to tell sitting at home if the wraps were loaded or not as even Brother Nazim couldnt tell by just looking at them. It as only when he began to check them that he made the discovery.
manos de piedra- Posts : 5274
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
Cotto's resume:
Torres: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Malignaggi: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Maussa: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Quintana: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Judah: came back to win a championship
Mosley: became THE welterweight champion after Cotto loss
N'dou: came back to win a championship
Clottey: likely to win a championship again
Foreman: undefeated.
Not to forget he beat former champions like Cesar Bazan & Corley.
Is it easy to win a championship?
Calzaghe comparison:
Eubank: was coming back from defeats and then lost 2 fights after losing to Calzaghe and retired
Reid: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat
Woodhall: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat - retired
Brewer: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat
Mitchell: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat
Lacy: accomplished nothing after the defeat
Kessler is the only exception who beat Frochy.
Cotto = a great of the modern era.
Torres: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Malignaggi: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Maussa: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Quintana: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Judah: came back to win a championship
Mosley: became THE welterweight champion after Cotto loss
N'dou: came back to win a championship
Clottey: likely to win a championship again
Foreman: undefeated.
Not to forget he beat former champions like Cesar Bazan & Corley.
Is it easy to win a championship?
Calzaghe comparison:
Eubank: was coming back from defeats and then lost 2 fights after losing to Calzaghe and retired
Reid: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat
Woodhall: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat - retired
Brewer: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat
Mitchell: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat
Lacy: accomplished nothing after the defeat
Kessler is the only exception who beat Frochy.
Cotto = a great of the modern era.
hitmansam- Posts : 176
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
Cotto has 1 legit loss to Pac and that's it. Had Hopkins smashed apart Calzaghe's face and then got caught loading his gloves against Pavlik the reception from the British fight fans would be altogether different. Giving a cheat the benefit of the doubt is a great shame.
hitmansam- Posts : 176
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Re: Miguel Cotto is overrated
Mayweather would NEVER step into the ring with a prime Cotto. After his gift decision to Castillo the first time round, he'll never fight a good pressure fighter again. Ricky Hatton was a glorified brawler.
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