Miguel Cotto is overrated

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Not because he's beaten nothing but faded champs and inexperienced fringe contenders barely out of the Olympics, and not because most of his wins were at a weight class that he was too big for, but because people used to consider him to be this much of a threat to Floyd Mayweather even after knowing these facts.

All that we've been getting since the Hatton fight, is references to Cotto this and how Floyd is ducking him or avoiding him, etc, etc.. Cotto fans are building him into another Margarito based on Floyd's name; it is an endless cycle. The acclaim basically comes from two wins through out his 38 fight and 10 year career.

It is so undeniably hilarious that Floyd almost gets no credit for beating Zab, but Cotto does, even with the year lay-off and previous 2 losses. It bewilders the mind.

NEVER been the man at 140
NEVER been the man at 147
NEVER been the man at 154

Ducked Hatton and Floyd Mayweather at 140, nearly got beat at the weight by Paulie Malignaggi. Quit against Margarito and Pacquiao. Nearly quit against Clottey and Mosley. Went into survival mode against Mosley, Mosley threw the fight away more than Cotto won it. No doubt in my mind a prime Mosley smashes him to pieces. Ricky Hatton is a better fighter than him and would knock him out at 140 but Bob Arum helped him duck the challengers there and he knew Floyd Mayweather would expose Cotto so ducked Floyd Mayweather at 140 and 147.

Therefore, Cotto's status among some of his fans is unjustified. Moving up from 140 and 147 before winning a lineal title is already a bad sign and he still hasn't won one, yet Mayweather did in his 18th fight.

hitmansam wrote:Mayweather would NEVER step into the ring with a prime Cotto. After his gift decision to Castillo the first time round, he'll never fight a good pressure fighter again. Ricky Hatton was a glorified brawler.

Errr... apart from the immediate rematch he had with castillio?!

Cotto is a quality fighter, but mayweather is better.

Cotto has 1 legit loss to Pac and that's it. Had Hopkins smashed apart Calzaghe's face and then got caught loading his gloves against Pavlik the reception from the British fight fans would be altogether different. Giving a cheat the benefit of the doubt is a great shame.
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Like i said before, we cannot take seriously anything someone as aggressively toned, and bias towards Mayweather says. He has an obsession with Cotto, who despite destroying everyone in his wake @ 140, outboxed Mosley 4 years ago, along with fine wins over Quintana, Malignaggi, Clottey, Judah, Foreman. And achievement wise held LWW world title once, WW world title twice, and LMW world title, 3 weight, 4 time world champ. And in plenty big title fights he's had, the opposing fighter as gone on to win a world title. Has put though, this guy has an obsession with Miguel, and that plays a huge part in this judgment.

hitmansam wrote:Cotto's resume:

Torres: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Malignaggi: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Maussa: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Quintana: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Judah: came back to win a championship
Mosley: became THE welterweight champion after Cotto loss
N'dou: came back to win a championship
Clottey: likely to win a championship again
Foreman: undefeated.

Not to forget he beat former champions like Cesar Bazan & Corley.

Is it easy to win a championship?

Calzaghe comparison:

Eubank: was coming back from defeats and then lost 2 fights after losing to Calzaghe and retired

Reid: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat

Woodhall: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat - retired

Brewer: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat

Mitchell: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat

Lacy: accomplished nothing after the defeat

Kessler is the only exception who beat Frochy.

Cotto = a great of the modern era.

First off Clottey is not a good fighter, likely to win another championship...doubt it he got beat by Baldomir says all you need to know about they guy.

Wow he beat paper champions like Foreman, N'dou, Torres and Maussa, should we laud Hattons win over Urango etc? Nearly got beat by Malignaggi...resorted to low blows against Judah so should have been disqualified. Just barely beat Mosley. Never been the man at 140, 147 and 154. Whats Calzaghe got to with anything stop going off topic with your obsession with the guy. Cotto most definetly isn't a great in any era.

hitmansam wrote:Mayweather would NEVER step into the ring with a prime Cotto. After his gift decision to Castillo the first time round, he'll never fight a good pressure fighter again. Ricky Hatton was a glorified brawler.

Miguel Cotto the so called prime version ducked the best fighters at 140 in Tszyu, Hatton and Mayweather. Cotto in his prime barely beat Mosley and Malignaggi.

Hatton a much better pressure fighter than Cotto.

Mayweather isn't unbeatable. Castillo beat him in their first fight and got robbed - most people who saw that fight would agree.

Judah beat for the first 5 rounds and then gassed.

De La Hoya beat him for 4-5 rounds, one judge had De La Hoya winning.

Victor will show the world that Mayweather isn't unbeatable.

Listen, I have nothing against Floyd because he's took on some good opponents but the guy isn't unbeatable. Victor Ortiz will show you that.

Young_Towzer wrote:Cotto has 1 legit loss to Pac and that's it. Had Hopkins smashed apart Calzaghe's face and then got caught loading his gloves against Pavlik the reception from the British fight fans would be altogether different. Giving a cheat the benefit of the doubt is a great shame.
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Like i said before, we cannot take seriously anything someone as aggressively toned, and bias towards Mayweather says. He has an obsession with Cotto, who despite destroying everyone in his wake @ 140, outboxed Mosley 4 years ago, along with fine wins over Quintana, Malignaggi, Clottey, Judah, Foreman. And achievement wise held LWW world title once, WW world title twice, and LMW world title, 3 weight, 4 time world champ. And in plenty big title fights he's had, the opposing fighter as gone on to win a world title. Has put though, this guy has an obsession with Miguel, and that plays a huge part in this judgment.

No Cotto has 2 losses but don't let facts get in the way. Yet again bringing Calzaghe into this. No one on here takes anything you say seriously anyway and your the most agressive poster around. Cotto destroyed everyone at 140 but didn't face the 3 best fighters there Mayweather, Hatton and Tszyu.

Barely beat Mosley 115-113...got hurt and nearly beat by Paulie. NEVER been the man at 140,147 and 154. Your the obsessed one yet again commenting on my articles.

No Cotto has 2 losses but don't let facts get in the way. Yet again bringing Calzaghe into this. No one on here takes anything you say seriously anyway and your the most agressive poster around. Cotto destroyed everyone at 140 but didn't face the 3 best fighters there Mayweather, Hatton and Tszyu. Laugh

Barely beat Mosley 115-113...got hurt and nearly beat by Paulie. NEVER been the man at 140,147 and 154. Your the obsessed one yet again commenting on my articles.
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Me aggressive, 4 bans hahaha. All you do is whatever i say, copy it. Who mentioned Calzaghe? is that you lying again outboxed mosley, battered Malignaggi, did you see Malignaggi's face after the fight, erm no, i don't think commenting on articles is obsessed, you are obsessed with Cotto. I've said before and i stick with it 100% your an over aggressive bias, as your prolific bans suggest, and as your obsession and hate towards a genuine quality fighter and future great in Cotto cannot allow your opinion to be fair. Also, Cotto was the man at 140 haha, and 147 haha, and now 154 haha, i know your blood boils, but its facts, is he a 4 time 3 weight world champ? thought so. End of.

Cotto is not a genuine great

Cotto is not a genuine great
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He is, imo. End of.

In my opinion he is not, your opinion isn't final

Young_Towzer wrote:No Cotto has 2 losses but don't let facts get in the way. Yet again bringing Calzaghe into this. No one on here takes anything you say seriously anyway and your the most agressive poster around. Cotto destroyed everyone at 140 but didn't face the 3 best fighters there Mayweather, Hatton and Tszyu. Laugh

Barely beat Mosley 115-113...got hurt and nearly beat by Paulie. NEVER been the man at 140,147 and 154. Your the obsessed one yet again commenting on my articles.
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Me aggressive, 4 bans hahaha. All you do is whatever i say, copy it. Who mentioned Calzaghe? is that you lying again outboxed mosley, battered Malignaggi, did you see Malignaggi's face after the fight, erm no, i don't think commenting on articles is obsessed, you are obsessed with me, Mayweather and Cotto. I've said before and i stick with it 100% your an over aggressive bias, as your prolific bans suggest, and as your obsession and hate towards a genuine great (stop banging your head) in Cotto cannot allow your opinion to be legit.

Make a article and ask the posters who is more agressive me or you...I guarantee they would most would say you also you were banned as steven_89 on the bbc and banned on here for calling a admin or mod a pr!ck. So who are you to preach anything to me.

My first 2 sentences was to Hitmansam who mentioned Calzaghe so learn to read properly instead of jumping to conclusions. Did you see Cottos face after the Clottey fight? Sky and Hbo had the Cotto Malignaggi close. Your obsessed with me which is why you keep qouting my comments on other people articles and my articles. When have I ever commented on your articles on here so how can you call me obsessed. I have warned you before now im going to make a official complaint to the admins about you. Continue to act in this way and I would use the foe function on you.

Can you two get a room, not sure anyone is interested in seeing you turn every thread into a pointless argument, for the record your as bad as eachother

Make a article and ask the posters who is more agressive me or you...I guarantee they would most would say you also you were banned as steven_89 on the bbc and banned on here for calling a admin or mod a pr!ck. So who are you to preach anything to me.
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me banned from 606? no you just sound silly saying that because i came on here because it's much, much better. I have NEVER been banned off the old 606, you have, just because you have doesn't mean i have. I have also said to you put a complaint in about me, anyone with a bit of sense will see your wumming, i was talking boxing, your the one who said i don't know anything haha? that's aggressive imo, please do use the foe thing and report me. I have done nothing wrong, trust me. Nobodys blackmailing me though, so do it. Do it quick

Before the admin team has to get involved yet again, can you both just drop it

Cotto is a very good fighter, but he isnt an elite fighter imo and doesn't warrant a ATG stutus imo

Ghosty, you are a star.

Not a problem Windy

Have really enjoyed Miguel Cotto's career and should he be in the Hall of Fame. yes, definately.

He's a multi weight champion and made plenty of defences in his time. Great skills and power. He's a good allrounder.

WelshDevilRob wrote:Have really enjoyed Miguel Cotto's career and should he be in the Hall of Fame. yes, definately.

He's a multi weight champion and made plenty of defences in his time. Great skills and power. He's a good allrounder.

He will without doubt get into the IBHOF but in an ideal world he wouldn't, based on the fighters already in it it's inevitable

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

WelshDevilRob wrote:Have really enjoyed Miguel Cotto's career and should he be in the Hall of Fame. yes, definately.

He's a multi weight champion and made plenty of defences in his time. Great skills and power. He's a good allrounder.

He will without doubt get into the IBHOF but in an ideal world he wouldn't, based on the fighters already in it it's inevitable

Why not? He's had a fine career and beaten good opposition. I'm sure many would have him in if he fought in Black and white.

Young_Towzer, PBF, I'm afraid the ' foe ' button isn't working at the moment, so you'll have to live with each other, I'm afraid. You've both been staying the right side of the line, so far, so I'm sure you can keep it spirited without letting any nasty stuff creep in.

HumanWindmill wrote:Young_Towzer, PBF, I'm afraid the ' foe ' button isn't working at the moment, so you'll have to live with each other, I'm afraid. You've both been staying the right side of the line, so far, so I'm sure you can keep it spirited without letting any nasty stuff creep in.

I was wondering why I could still see his posts

Young_Towzer, PBF, I'm afraid the ' foe ' button isn't working at the moment, so you'll have to live with each other, I'm afraid. You've both been staying the right side of the line, so far, so I'm sure you can keep it spirited without letting any nasty stuff creep in.
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i'll live with anyone windy as long as they pay their rent, but on a serious note, i will make your job easier by playing by the rules and ignoring bias, plus i don't know how this foe button works, but like i say your a leniant mod and warn us, so it's only right to be the same back, how many browny points did i score there windy? haha only joking.

Both of you have scored a perfect ten. Thanks for your consideration.

Joking apart, I really do appreciate it.

WelshDevilRob wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

WelshDevilRob wrote:Have really enjoyed Miguel Cotto's career and should he be in the Hall of Fame. yes, definately.

He's a multi weight champion and made plenty of defences in his time. Great skills and power. He's a good allrounder.

He will without doubt get into the IBHOF but in an ideal world he wouldn't, based on the fighters already in it it's inevitable

Why not? He's had a fine career and beaten good opposition. I'm sure many would have him in if he fought in Black and white.

He's not an elite level fighter, he was very good and on the face of things it's impressive being a 3 weight world champion but at no point has he beaten the best available at any weight which does detract from him being a triple world champion. To me you have to do more than beat decent opposition to get into the hall of fame you have to beat great opposition.

Multi-weight means nothing these days..

Pazienza won titles at lot's of weights......so did Duke mckenzie.....

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

WelshDevilRob wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

WelshDevilRob wrote:Have really enjoyed Miguel Cotto's career and should he be in the Hall of Fame. yes, definately.

He's a multi weight champion and made plenty of defences in his time. Great skills and power. He's a good allrounder.

He will without doubt get into the IBHOF but in an ideal world he wouldn't, based on the fighters already in it it's inevitable

Why not? He's had a fine career and beaten good opposition. I'm sure many would have him in if he fought in Black and white.

He's not an elite level fighter, he was very good and on the face of things it's impressive being a 3 weight world champion but at no point has he beaten the best available at any weight which does detract from him being a triple world champion. To me you have to do more than beat decent opposition to get into the hall of fame you have to beat great opposition.

I'll presume you mean Hatton and Mayweather. He was once offered the Hatton fight but with 3 weeks notice and sensibly rejected it. As for Mayweather, well there are names missing from Floyd's record and one of them is Cotto - for whatever reason. It's hard to prove your the number 1 if you don't get the biggest fights. He lost to Margarito in a fight I don't count while he was fairly beaten by the Great Pacquiao.

He's currently rated by Boxrec as the No.1 at Jnr Middleweight - Boxrec rankings are not accurate but I can see how they have him as No.1 given Angulo's inexperience and PW losing his last fight. So, with him being No.1 at JM, despite it being his weakest division, then he would qualify under your criteria?

Yes, titles at three weights shouldn't mean absolutely everything. Let's not forget that Iran Barkley is a three-weight world champion, who won two of those titles by beating Tommy Hearns - no-one is panting to hand out Hall of Fame status to the Blade.

It's interesting - as you know, we're currently coming to the end of the first week of voting for our very own hall of Fame. Now one doesn't like to prejudge these matters, but, unless something remarkable happens, it looks like Wilfred Benitez will be decisively, permanently and, in my view, quite rightly, rejected for membership of the Hall. I think we can fairly compare Cotto with his fellow Puerto Rican - each won titles in the same three divisions, had some fine scalps and some decisive losses, sometimes to proper greats of the game. Benitez in fact had better victims than Cotto, who has never beaten anyone of the calibre of Cervantes or Duran (albeit a 154 lb Duran).

If the argument is that Cotto's better than some of those already in the Canastota Hall, then I would agree. That is no reason to compound the error by electing Cotto himself, although he will almost certainly get the nod five years after he retires. By the strictest standards, Cotto is among the ranks of the "very good for me", not the elite. The latter is the category that ought to be in the Hall and that is what lies behind what we are attempting with our own H of F.

A few people seem to have a bee in their bonnet about Cotto right now for some reason. I think we can safely say that the truth lies somewhere in between what PBF and Towzer are saying; Cotto isn’t, as PBF says, an overrated quitter and ducker, but nor is he an all-time great on an equal footing with someone such as Alexis Arguello, as Towzer has claimed.

This constant banging on about titles in three weight classes is out of proportion. Duke McKenzie, Iran Barkley and Vinnie Pazienza are proof enough that world titles in two or three weight divisions is no guarantee of true greatness in the proper sense of the word, particularly when none of those titles have been unified and none of them have been taken by beating ‘the man’ at those weights. It’s who they’ve fought and beaten that counts and, looking at this, it’s clear that Cotto is a very, very good fighter, but he falls a fair way short of being a great one.

Cotto has one fighter on his CV who can even think about laying any kind of claim to being a ‘great’ one, in the shape of Mosley. A fine win for Cotto, no doubt. But one win doesn’t make you a great yourself (Barkley-Hearns, Backus-Napoles and Tarver-Jones all spring to mind), particularly when the man you’ve beaten has seen better days, which Mosley certainly had by 2007. As I said, a very good win for Cotto, but not a great one.

That aside, what else do we have? Judah? Again, good win for Cotto but let’s be frank, Zab has often flattered to deceive at the highest level. Even Towzer (who usually is desperate to build Cotto up to a God-like status) admits that Judah has fallen short in most of his big fights over the last eight years. Outside of that there’s Quintana, Malignaggi, Torres, Foreman, N’Dou and Clottey. Solid, but not awe-inspiring. Yes, they’ve all held world titles. But as I (and some others) have pointed out, that’s not saying much these days. How many of them are world champions in the days of one (or even two) belts?

And then we have the simple fact that he was well and truly beaten in conclusive style by the best fighter he faced. No shame in that at all – but it puts this idea that Cotto is an all-time great well and truly to bed. The fight with Pacquiao simply showed the gulf in class which exists between good and great.

And one more thing – we can’t and shouldn’t ignore the Margarito loss. “Margarito’s gloves were loaded for the Cotto fight!” I hear you scream. Well, nobody can prove that, and the fact remains that his wrapping would, as protocol dictates, have been supervised by a member of Cotto’s team. You’ll notice that Cotto’s face after the Pacquiao fight looked more or less the same as it did after the Margarito fight – so were Pacquiao’s gloves loaded, too? I’m no fan of Margarito, but to suggest that he definitely cheated in the Cotto fight is pure speculation, and now serves as a convenient way to dodge the fact that Cotto spent the second half of that fight blocking punches with his face. Here’s a thought – maybe that was the reason he was such a bloodied and beaten mess by the end, rather than the illegal wraps which everyone now says the Margarito ‘definitely’ had that night?

Cotto is a good fighter as I said, who is an excellent name for anyone to have on their CV. But a great fighter? Simply not the case.

hitmansam wrote:Cotto's resume:

Torres: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Malignaggi: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Maussa: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Quintana: undefeated, came back to win a championship
Judah: came back to win a championship
Mosley: became THE welterweight champion after Cotto loss
N'dou: came back to win a championship
Clottey: likely to win a championship again
Foreman: undefeated.

Not to forget he beat former champions like Cesar Bazan & Corley.

Is it easy to win a championship?

Calzaghe comparison:

Eubank: was coming back from defeats and then lost 2 fights after losing to Calzaghe and retired

Reid: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat

Woodhall: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat - retired

Brewer: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat

Mitchell: was coming back from a loss and then achieved nothing after the defeat

Lacy: accomplished nothing after the defeat

Kessler is the only exception who beat Frochy.

Cotto = a great of the modern era.

I don't think Cotto's record is all that much greater than Calzaghe's to be honest.

Both men beat two genuine champions. Cotto has Mosley and Judah. Calzaghe has Hopkins and Kessler.

The other names are either paper champions (Foreman, Lacy) or fairly average fighters (Clottey, Malignaggi, Reid).

To play devils's advocate, because I hate talking about Calzaghe; Hopkins and Kessler are much better wins than Mosley and Judah for me.

He is massively overrated across the pond. He has indeed never been the main man and never will be.

He is a very good fighter who has been massive fun to watch. Nothing more, nothing less.

He is massively overrated across the pond. He has indeed never been the main man and never will be.
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Cotto - Margarito - Cotto is the man and main champ
Margarito - Mosley - Mosley is hailed as the man

he has been the man, honest. And is a great fighter

Margarito against Cotto was deemed a fight between the two best in the division rather than one of them having a specific claim to being top dog

Young_Towzer wrote:He is massively overrated across the pond. He has indeed never been the main man and never will be.
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Cotto - Margarito - Cotto is the man and main champ
Margarito - Mosley - Mosley is hailed as the man

he has been the man, honest. And is a great fighter

Floyd Mayweather was the welterweight champ and retired a month before the Cotto and Margarito fight. Like Imperial said Cotto vs Margarito decided who was the main man and lineal champion but don't let facts get in the way as you have been proved wrong again.

Floyd Mayweather was the welterweight champ and retired a month before the Cotto and Margarito fight. Like Imperial said Cotto vs Margarito decided who was the main man and lineal champion but don't let facts get in the way as you have been proved wrong again.
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Cotto - Margarito, Cotto is the man and champ, Margarito wins, then loses to Mosley, who Cotto had beat 3 years before, these are facts . I thought you were ignoring me anyway, goodbye.

Facts that have been easily proven to be false, good try though mate

Facts that have been easily proven to be false, good try though mate
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Cotto vs Margarito, Cotto was the number 1 rated ww in the world at the time of that fight, which is what i said. Then, Margarito beat Cotto with darbo, who Mosley then destroyed, who Cotto had comfortably, comfortably outboxed 2 years earlier. Honest, these are facts, they happened. I refuse to disguss boxing with the genius of manny if he talks about Mayweather, you cannot be so bias and have an equal opinion.

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Well Mayweather was considered the man when he faced Hatton at Welterweight and when you consider that the Cotto/Margarito fight happened less than a year later it's impossible for him to have been regarded as the man at the weight based on a win over Gomez. Like I said try harder next time because your facts are simply lies.

Well Mayweather was considered the man when he faced Hatton at Welterweight and when you consider that the Cotto/Margarito fight happened less than a year later it's impossible for him to have been regarded as the man at the weight based on a win over Gomez. Like I said try harder next time because your facts are simply lies.
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i don't need to try anything, Cotto was regarded as the best ww in the world, a win over Gomez? or doesn't the Mosley win count like?. Mayweather was retired, ok then anyway Tyson's the man now! because he won the title off Berbick. If your retired, you aint the man, like i said above, i won't disguss Mayweather with the above, you cannot, cannot be so bias and have a fair view. You need to try harder though if your basically dismissing a win over a very good Mosley who'd just schooled the much younger Collazo who battered Hatton at times.

You accuse others of being biased just because they don't share the same view as yourself, now you can continue to presume that Cotto was the man based on a win over Gomez which you are doing, the Mosley fight of course happened before Mayweathers retirement. Now being considered the man isn't something that gets inherited you have to earn it and had he beaten Margarito then yes he would have been the man but before the fight he simply wasn't.

Um, I don't know what fight you were watching if you saw Malignaggi nearly beat Cotto...

Young_Towzer wrote:Floyd Mayweather was the welterweight champ and retired a month before the Cotto and Margarito fight. Like Imperial said Cotto vs Margarito decided who was the main man and lineal champion but don't let facts get in the way as you have been proved wrong again.
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Cotto - Margarito, Cotto is the man and champ, Margarito wins, then loses to Mosley, who Cotto had beat 3 years before, these are facts . I thought you were ignoring me anyway, goodbye.

It's MY ARTICLE so I just you remove yourself from it...Looks like Imperial is schooling you again so no need to add anything.

It's MY ARTICLE so I just you remove yourself from it...Looks like Imperial is schooling you again so no need to add anything.
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It's an open forum , schooling me? i wasn't aware of any fight

You accuse others of being biased just because they don't share the same view as yourself, now you can continue to presume that Cotto was the man based on a win over Gomez which you are doing, the Mosley fight of course happened before Mayweathers retirement. Now being considered the man isn't something that gets inherited you have to earn it and had he beaten Margarito then yes he would have been the man but before the fight he simply wasn't.
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Mosley's a much bigger win than Baldomir or Hatton, Mosley would of destroyed both, the Shane of 4 years ago. I don't accuse anyone at all apart from this guy of being bias, how can anyone justify the way he is 195% in favour of Mayweather and nobody else? they can't. Goodbye, end of.

The genius of PBF wrote:

It's MY ARTICLE so I just you remove yourself from it...Looks like Imperial is schooling you again so no need to add anything.

You guys did a great job, yesterday, of jousting and sparring without any nasty stuff. Let's not spoil it, eh ?

You guys did a great job, yesterday, of jousting and sparring without any nasty stuff. Let's not spoil it, eh ?
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Fine by me windy, anyone's free to comment on my article, if someone leaves a comment with regards to something i've said. I will respond to it, imperial gets a bit hot headed, nothing a good time out wouldn't cure, i'm sure he will cool down a bit, take a leaf out of my ice cool book. As i will say once again, i will make things easy for the mods and ignore bias.

Young_Towzer wrote:You accuse others of being biased just because they don't share the same view as yourself, now you can continue to presume that Cotto was the man based on a win over Gomez which you are doing, the Mosley fight of course happened before Mayweathers retirement. Now being considered the man isn't something that gets inherited you have to earn it and had he beaten Margarito then yes he would have been the man but before the fight he simply wasn't.
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Mosley's a much bigger win than Baldomir or Hatton, Mosley would of destroyed both, the Shane of 4 years ago. I don't accuse anyone at all apart from this guy of being bias, how can anyone justify the way he is 195% in favour of Mayweather and nobody else? they can't. Goodbye, end of.

So you're saying that the universally recognised champion in the Welterweight division having beaten the numbers one, two and five was in fact not the actual champion? No bias there at all