Tommy Robinson jailed

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Mr Robinson was recently jailed for reporting and filming on a criminal case off limits to the press.

They got him on a technicality and he has received 13 months which is a little harsh imo. Already marches and protests have sprung up outside downing street and Mr Robinson has become somewhat of a martyr and national hero to his supporters.

Thoughts please...

Galted wrote:Not me, I hope he gets drowned in a big bucket of piss.

And the child rapists? What would you like to see happening them now that your juices are flowing?

SecretFly wrote:

Galted wrote:Not me, I hope he gets drowned in a big bucket of piss.

And the child rapists?  What would you like to see happening them now that your juices are flowing?

Didn't realise Yaxley was saving us from them.

You boys cook up so much vitriol for Yaxley. Just wondered have you ever saved any for the child rapists he was highlighting?

No? Court dealt with them? Don't want to know about them things? Talking about them things should be banned? Taboo? Court orders? Contempt? Coverups? Cough?

Condemning one person publicly doesn't mean you don't condemn anyone else.

SecretFly wrote:Oh I was thinking that.  Of course the suggestion would never be that 'plenty of Muslims' might be intent on turning Samo's joke into reality.

No... it's the cup of tea, a biscuit or two and a chat that you boys are hoping to hear reports of.

What joke?

What an argument ....We all must approve of 'Child r**e' if we don't like a violent...racist bigot...

SecretFly wrote:You boys cook up so much vitriol for Yaxley.  Just wondered have you ever saved any for the child rapists he was highlighting?

No? Court dealt with them? Don't want to know about them things?  Talking about them things should be banned?  Taboo?  Court orders?  Contempt?  Coverups?  Cough?

Why do you refer to "the child rapists" and not just "child rapists"?  Do you subscribe to the Yaxley-Lennon point of view that it's only a crime if the child is white and the r***ist isn't?

And why exactly did they need highlighting?  They were in court being tried, can the justice system not function without outrage being whipped up?

Perhaps if Robinson dedicated a little bit of time to acknowledging that there is more than one convicted child rap1st among his close entourage, then I wouldn't be so convinced that he's a racist hypocrite spreading hate for his own financial gain and I wouldn't take so much joy out of his current predicament.  

What a daft little c*nt.

SecretFly wrote:You boys cook up so much vitriol for Yaxley.  Just wondered have you ever saved any for the child rapists he was highlighting?

No? Court dealt with them? Don't want to know about them things?  Talking about them things should be banned?  Taboo?  Court orders?  Contempt?  Coverups?  Cough?

The very simple point being that his actions (that he had been previously warned about) had a very real chance of derailing a major court case. In other words his actions could easily have lead to said (now convicted) rapists getting off through interference with the Jury.

Remember the defendants were in court, facing justice.

There is more detail out there (and I can't remember all of it) but the key is that as there were a large group of defendants, their trials had been split into three. The aim in trials is to keep the jury in a bubble so that information outside of the court does not affect their judgement. He of the multiple names happened to be causing chaos at a particular sensitive moment for two of those trials. It is not a question of reporting on trials, merely when it is permissible to do so.

Also worth noting that at least one former EDL ally of his also has previous in this area (as in molestation, not contempt of court).

lostinwales wrote:

SecretFly wrote:You boys cook up so much vitriol for Yaxley.  Just wondered have you ever saved any for the child rapists he was highlighting?

No? Court dealt with them? Don't want to know about them things?  Talking about them things should be banned?  Taboo?  Court orders?  Contempt?  Coverups?  Cough?

The very simple point being that his actions (that he had been previously warned about) had a very real chance of derailing a major court case. In other words his actions could easily have lead to said (now convicted) rapists getting off through interference with the Jury.

Remember the defendants were in court, facing justice.

There is more detail out there (and I can't remember all of it) but the key is that as there were a large group of defendants, their trials had been split into three. The aim in trials is to keep the jury in a bubble so that information outside of the court does not affect their judgement. He of the multiple names happened to be causing chaos at a particular sensitive moment for two of those trials. It is not a question of reporting on trials, merely when it is permissible to do so.

Also worth noting that at least one former EDL ally of his also has previous in this area (as in molestation, not contempt of court).

Still quite pointed how much wished-for violence is directed at Mr MultiName and yet..... hmmm, let's follow the law with these lads that Systematically abused, corralled, groomed and raped.  Let's be aloof and respectful and maintain composure and most of all Respect the drive of establishment media to stage manage the public awareness of the guys accused and the crimes they committed.  
Let's not get angry.  Let's not get emotional.  Let's not wish that they get drowned in a big bucket of piss.  Let's not suggest they might meet a bunch of Mr MultiName sympathisers in prison...chuckle chuckle..... wink wink.....nod nod.

Yeah, still quite pointed that the child rapists and Mr MultiName are all guilty....but the jeers and implied death-wishes are reserved for Mr MultiName.

Galted wrote:

Why do you refer to "the child rapists" and not just "child rapists"?  Do you subscribe to the Yaxley-Lennon point of view that it's only a crime if the child is white and the r***ist isn't?

And why exactly did they need highlighting?  They were in court being tried, can the justice system not function without outrage being whipped up?

The child rapists.  It was a specific case with specific individuals charged, tried and convicted = THE child rapists.  
On the highlighted bit - you tell me, is that Mr MultiName's declared belief?  You'd need to keep an eye on all my postings regarding the aduse of children... you'll find I say a lot more about white on white child aduse.  And I'm certain there'll be a lot more to be said on that score in the months to come.  Stay tuned.

Can the justice system not function without outrage being whipped up?  I don't know.  Maybe we should wait and see if a 'bunch of Muslims' drowns Mr MultiName 'in a big bucket of piss'?

SecretFly wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

SecretFly wrote:You boys cook up so much vitriol for Yaxley.  Just wondered have you ever saved any for the child rapists he was highlighting?

No? Court dealt with them? Don't want to know about them things?  Talking about them things should be banned?  Taboo?  Court orders?  Contempt?  Coverups?  Cough?

The very simple point being that his actions (that he had been previously warned about) had a very real chance of derailing a major court case. In other words his actions could easily have lead to said (now convicted) rapists getting off through interference with the Jury.

Remember the defendants were in court, facing justice.

There is more detail out there (and I can't remember all of it) but the key is that as there were a large group of defendants, their trials had been split into three. The aim in trials is to keep the jury in a bubble so that information outside of the court does not affect their judgement. He of the multiple names happened to be causing chaos at a particular sensitive moment for two of those trials. It is not a question of reporting on trials, merely when it is permissible to do so.

Also worth noting that at least one former EDL ally of his also has previous in this area (as in molestation, not contempt of court).

Still quite pointed how much wished-for violence is directed at Mr MultiName and yet..... hmmm, let's follow the law with these lads that Systematically abused, corralled, groomed and raped.  Let's be aloof and respectful and maintain composure and most of all Respect the drive of establishment media to stage manage the public awareness of the guys accused and the crimes they committed.  
Let's not get angry.  Let's not get emotional.  Let's not wish that they get drowned in a big bucket of piss.  Let's not suggest they might meet a bunch of Mr MultiName sympathisers in prison...chuckle chuckle..... wink wink.....nod nod.

Yeah, still quite pointed that the child rapists and Mr MultiName are all guilty....but the jeers and implied death-wishes are reserved for Mr MultiName.

The "vitriol" is directed at him because he's a hypocritical, manipulative turd who stirs up and feeds off the misplaced anger of morons, if any of the child rapists exhibited similar qualities and kept putting themselves in the public eye the dislike of them would be the same.  You may not have noticed but this thread is about him and not them, start a thread about child rapists if you want and see how many people try to defend them, my guess would be 0.

SecretFly wrote: You'd need to keep an eye on all my postings regarding the aduse of children... you'll find I say a lot more about white on white child aduse.  

No thanks.

SecretFly wrote: And I'm certain there'll be a lot more to be said on that score in the months to come.  Stay tuned.

No thanks.

SecretFly wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

SecretFly wrote:You boys cook up so much vitriol for Yaxley.  Just wondered have you ever saved any for the child rapists he was highlighting?

No? Court dealt with them? Don't want to know about them things?  Talking about them things should be banned?  Taboo?  Court orders?  Contempt?  Coverups?  Cough?

The very simple point being that his actions (that he had been previously warned about) had a very real chance of derailing a major court case. In other words his actions could easily have lead to said (now convicted) rapists getting off through interference with the Jury.

Remember the defendants were in court, facing justice.

There is more detail out there (and I can't remember all of it) but the key is that as there were a large group of defendants, their trials had been split into three. The aim in trials is to keep the jury in a bubble so that information outside of the court does not affect their judgement. He of the multiple names happened to be causing chaos at a particular sensitive moment for two of those trials. It is not a question of reporting on trials, merely when it is permissible to do so.

Also worth noting that at least one former EDL ally of his also has previous in this area (as in molestation, not contempt of court).

Still quite pointed how much wished-for violence is directed at Mr MultiName and yet..... hmmm, let's follow the law with these lads that Systematically abused, corralled, groomed and raped.  Let's be aloof and respectful and maintain composure and most of all Respect the drive of establishment media to stage manage the public awareness of the guys accused and the crimes they committed.  
Let's not get angry.  Let's not get emotional.  Let's not wish that they get drowned in a big bucket of piss.  Let's not suggest they might meet a bunch of Mr MultiName sympathisers in prison...chuckle chuckle..... wink wink.....nod nod.

Yeah, still quite pointed that the child rapists and Mr MultiName are all guilty....but the jeers and implied death-wishes are reserved for Mr MultiName.

You sound like you'd rather they were strung up. You sound like you think they were guilty just on suspicion, that justice is not swift enough in this case.

Excellent 'whataboutery', Secret. Keep it up; some might even fall for it if you do it for long enough .

The idiot is sentenced to 9 months in jail for contempt of court. Followers booed the announcement and then pelted police with bottles. Is it wrong to hope he gets shanked in jail?

Beer wrote:The idiot is sentenced to 9 months in jail for contempt of court. Followers booed the announcement and then pelted police with bottles. Is it wrong to hope he gets shanked in jail?

Probably, but if didnt spend all his time whipping up hate he wouldnt be a target in jail. You reap what you sow. Have fun Stephen!

He won't think it now and the time away from his family will be excruciating but it's a good result for Robinson..

Enhances his "the Establishment want to shut him up" credentials meaning big rewards from crowd funding and he probably only does 4 months with plenty of reading and writing in Solitary as the UK' s number 1 martyr.

Should have chucked 2 years his way..

I'm actually hoping they jailed Stephen Yaxley-Lennon instead.

You can't just brush stuff like this under the carpet or give people like this a tap on the wrist, to avoid making them martyrs or whatever.

If any of his supporters wants to take any sort of action on his behalf, let them...and let them face the due process of law too.

Samo wrote:

Beer wrote:The idiot is sentenced to 9 months in jail for contempt of court. Followers booed the announcement and then pelted police with bottles. Is it wrong to hope he gets shanked in jail?

Probably, but if didnt spend all his time whipping up hate he wouldnt be a target in jail.  You reap what you sow.  Have fun Stephen!  

If your speech is deemed unacceptable, a shanking is ok. Got it, you are a fascist.

the-goon wrote:

Samo wrote:

Beer wrote:The idiot is sentenced to 9 months in jail for contempt of court. Followers booed the announcement and then pelted police with bottles. Is it wrong to hope he gets shanked in jail?

Probably, but if didnt spend all his time whipping up hate he wouldnt be a target in jail.  You reap what you sow.  Have fun Stephen!  

If your speech is deemed unacceptable, a shanking is ok. Got it, you are a fascist.

Do you know what fascist means?

Yes, supporting state oppression and/or violence against a citizen for political speech is fascist.
Using violence response to speech is very much a fascist trate. Not exclusively though.

So just because someone wishes harm on another person (albeit in a clearly tongue-in-cheek manner), they're a fascist?

Righto.

the-goon wrote:Yes, supporting state oppression and/or violence against a citizen for political speech is fascist.
Using violence response to speech is very much a fascist trate. Not exclusively though.

I think you're confusing political speech and hate speech. Criticising Islam is political, condemning an entire religion based on the actions of a few and referring to them as "enemy combatants" is clearly incitement, otherwise known as hate speech.

Samo wrote:

the-goon wrote:Yes, supporting state oppression and/or violence against a citizen for political speech is fascist.
Using violence response to speech is very much a fascist trate. Not exclusively though.

I think you're confusing political speech and hate speech.  Criticising Islam is political, condemning an entire religion based on the actions of a few and referring to them as "enemy combatants" is clearly incitement, otherwise known as hate speech.

And the obvious incitement throughout social media, formal media etc to hate The Man with No Name and his followers? Hate speech too?

Also criticising Israel and its champions around the globe is political speech. So why the tag of anti-semitism whenever criticism of Israel pops up? Criticisms of Israel. Political speech or hate speech?

Keeping in mind, as we discuss, that it is mostly people of the Islamic faith that criticise Israel. Political speech or hate speech?

Pr4wn wrote:So just because someone wishes harm on another person (albeit in a clearly tongue-in-cheek manner), they're a fascist?

Righto.

No, they're not fascist.  They are criminal in the very terms of what is now defined by some sections as society as Hate speech crime.  You don't get off the hook on wishing harm to a person or a set of people simply because you are a progressive socialist and you say your tongue was in your cheek, m'Lord.

SecretFly wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:So just because someone wishes harm on another person (albeit in a clearly tongue-in-cheek manner), they're a fascist?

Righto.

No, they're not fascist.  They are criminal in the very terms of what is now defined by some sections as society as Hate speech crime.  You don't get off the hook on wishing harm to a person or a set of people simply because you are a progressive socialist and you say your tongue was in your cheek, m'Lord.

I never said you did? I was talking about fascism. Another bizarre post.

Pr4wn wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:So just because someone wishes harm on another person (albeit in a clearly tongue-in-cheek manner), they're a fascist?

Righto.

No, they're not fascist.  They are criminal in the very terms of what is now defined by some sections as society as Hate speech crime.  You don't get off the hook on wishing harm to a person or a set of people simply because you are a progressive socialist and you say your tongue was in your cheek, m'Lord.

I never said you did? I was talking about fascism. Another bizarre post.

Come on, you know your intent in the comment; to defend the people who throw the same levels of vitriolic hate at the man who calls himself Robinson and his followers against the tag of 'fascist'.  Not all people who exercise and display unbridled hatred are fascist? That was your point?

Maybe the easier answer is to say yeah, maybe they are all the same - the far left and the far right.  All fascists.  Common bussom buddies in the same way that rival hooligan football gangs are rivals...but not really, because after all, they both love the same sport, the football plus the violence.  
Fascists don't tolerate an alternate world view.  Communists don't tolerate an alternate world view.

You need help, bud.

Same club, same game, same target, same intolerance, same hate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

I think Tommy Robinson could be Britain's Hitler.  They say history repeats itself.  It's amazing how many people I know think Tommy is a hero.  Tommy is in jail, clearly the establishment is vehemently against him, while huge amounts of working class people support him, many publicly, more privately, or at least having some sympathy for his views on Islam.  I'm so disgusted with the Liberals, Labour and the Tories, that if I didn't have the Brexit party I'd probably vote UKIP by default.  As even Tommy would be better than the shower that currently infests our political system. It's obvious Farage has a lot of health issues, and wants to retire immediately we have left the EU. While Britain has gotten itself into such a political mess with so many disenfranchised voters that a lot of them could see Tommy as the man to take up Farages banner and be their protest vote. In reality as the Leftist Globalists have so hopefully failed the working classes, I would expect to see people gradually voting for more Right wing parties as things deteriorate.

Has Tommy Ten Names actually exposed anyone for anything? It seems all he does is report on cases already in the courts and people somehow think because the courts dont advertise what trials are on and when its all a massive establishment cover up.

I dont like them, but these vigilante 'bad person hunter' groups you see on Facebook seem to do a whole lot more to actively expose people and work with police in some capacity. I dont like them because I prefer my vigilantes to have pointy ears on a cowl and be fake, and I've seen what happens when they get it wrong.

Shifty wrote:I think Tommy Robinson could be Britain's Hitler.  They say history repeats itself.  It's amazing how many people I know think Tommy is a hero.  Tommy is in jail, clearly the establishment is vehemently against him, while huge amounts of working class people support him, many publicly, more privately, or at least having some sympathy for his views on Islam.  I'm so disgusted with the Liberals, Labour and the Tories, that if I didn't have the Brexit party I'd probably vote UKIP by default.  As even Tommy would be better than the shower that currently infests our political system.  It's obvious Farage has a lot of health issues, and wants to retire immediately we have left the EU.  While Britain has gotten itself into such a political mess with so many disenfranchised voters that a lot of them could see Tommy as the man to take up Farages banner and be their protest vote.  In reality as the Leftist Globalists have so hopefully failed the working classes, I would expect to see people gradually voting for more Right wing parties as things deteriorate.  

Ugh, we'll have him for a while yet then.

Shifty wrote:I think Tommy Robinson could be Britain's Hitler.  They say history repeats itself.  It's amazing how many people I know think Tommy is a hero.  Tommy is in jail, clearly the establishment is vehemently against him, while huge amounts of working class people support him, many publicly, more privately, or at least having some sympathy for his views on Islam.  I'm so disgusted with the Liberals, Labour and the Tories, that if I didn't have the Brexit party I'd probably vote UKIP by default.  As even Tommy would be better than the shower that currently infests our political system.  It's obvious Farage has a lot of health issues, and wants to retire immediately we have left the EU.  While Britain has gotten itself into such a political mess with so many disenfranchised voters that a lot of them could see Tommy as the man to take up Farages banner and be their protest vote.  In reality as the Leftist Globalists have so hopefully failed the working classes, I would expect to see people gradually voting for more Right wing parties as things deteriorate.  

Tommy Robinson received 2.2% of the vote in the European Parliament elections. I think you need to hang out with different people.

Tommy's supporters couldn't bring themselves to vote in them European Parliament Elections, innit.

They're waiting to vote Tommy President of the new British Republic.

Think Farage is the closest we have to Hitler...

Whole politics is based on Immigrant bashing...From the tasteless Aids..NHS line.....To moaning about Foreign languages on Public transport and laughingly blaming Romanians for most of the cash machine crime in London...

More dangerous than Mr Jail House rock because his nasty politics is wrapped up in a respectable veneer and like Hitler he is a good communicator..

Not a nice Man..

Yes, the small-state Thatcherite man is most like authoritarian Adolf.

Goodness, Truss' comments get dumber with every passing day.

You have the right to reply Duty and I don't take offence..

My comments were aimed at Farage's hatred of immigrants.

Farage also won the Euros by attracting large numbers of left wing Labour voters in Sunderland....Manchester etc....Low income types..

I imagine when you kill 6 million Jews one might argue Hitler could be called a small state Politician..

Certainly would have been smaller.

Hitler attempted an EU by force...even attempted to take in Russia too to stretch the legs even more. His modern torch bearers have been trying to do the Lebensraum by other means 'wrapped in a respectable veneer'.

So yes, the EU has prevented war in Europe but only to the extent that the conquest of the continent was to be sanctioned by other methods..... or else......; there has always been that inferred threat of war if the EU doesn't succeed, hasn't there.

Who really won the war?  Well we might find out if the more landlocked and crowded Nations of Europe once again feel contained and begin to feel rattled that 'weaker' peripheral nations don't want to 'share' their sovereignty, seas, territory and political self-determination for the sake of 'peace'.  

How fragile the 'peace' if Europe's big influencers don't get their way?  Peace through blackmail - is that what this EU is?  
That EU Army/Navy/police force - as Mr Europe himself, Guy Verhofstadt, keeps trying to push.  To keep external threats out of to keep the rest of us in and obedient?

Truss is free to see the image of Hitler in the guise of Farage.  I see Hitler in people like Verhofstadt. And around and around the circle goes.

SecretFly wrote:So yes, the EU has prevented war in Europe but only to the extent that the conquest of the continent was to be sanctioned by other methods..... or else......; there has always been that inferred threat of war if the EU doesn't succeed, hasn't there.

This is what they call nonsense on stilts.

SecretFly wrote:Hitler attempted an EU by force...even attempted to take in Russia too to stretch the legs even more. His modern torch bearers have been trying to do the Lebensraum by other means 'wrapped in a respectable veneer'.

So yes, the EU has prevented war in Europe but only to the extent that the conquest of the continent was to be sanctioned by other methods..... or else......; there has always been that inferred threat of war if the EU doesn't succeed, hasn't there.  

Who really won the war?  Well we might find out if the more landlocked and crowded Nations of Europe once again feel contained and begin to feel rattled that 'weaker' peripheral nations don't want to 'share' their sovereignty, seas, territory and political self-determination for the sake of 'peace'.  

How fragile the 'peace' if Europe's big influencers don't get their way?  Peace through blackmail - is that what this EU is?  
That EU Army/Navy/police force - as Mr Europe himself, Guy Verhofstadt, keeps trying to push.  To keep external threats out of to keep the rest of us in and obedient?

Truss is free to see the image of Hitler in the guise of Farage.  I see Hitler in people like Verhofstadt.  And around and around the circle goes.

No, there hasn't.

SecretFly wrote:I see Hitler in people like Verhofstadt.

Yeah, because Verhofstadt has spent his career democratically and peacefully trying to bring people of many countries together, for the better good of all, reducing intolerance and hatred along the way. Very much like Hitler.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/tommy-robinson-moving-to-spain-1-6765873

In recentl Stephen Yaxley-Lennon news, it appears the man who has built a cult following by condemning immigrants with criminal records has actually become an immigrant with a criminal record himself.

Incredible to think that all these years demonizing refugees has led to him becoming one himself.  You love to see it.

Got a million pound house out of it.. Immigration has been good for Robinson.