Ulster Rugby 2017-2018 Part 2

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Carberry is 22, McPhillips is 21. Is this talk about sticking with McPhillips and hoping he turns out to be a gem maybe a tad naive? Carberry at a year older is being talked about as though he was the second coming and all this despite Sexton and Byrne and a whole backline of stellar players potentially blocking him. By contrast, it's almost as if we only know the name of McPhillips because we had no choice. A year ago the thinking was Jackson and Nelson. We then were saying Cooney can play 10 a bit. Then we signed Lealifano. Surely if McPhillips was the hot prospect, the coaches would have featured him more before Lealifano left.
In fact during Leanlifano's time here wasn't Nelson the preferred bench 10, and indeed started 3 games at 10 before Christmas, but then got injured?

Not meaning to be super negative, I hope I'm wrong. Cooney is a perfect example of a player suddenly shining from nowhere. I guess Ulster coaches know better than me if he's a real prospect worth thrusting into the limelight or not.

Th Ulster Rugby Round Up seems to suggest that Logan outbound is inevitable with the BelTel journo saying 'patience'. Think he also hinted that his replacement might not be quite ready to take the role just yet, so if Logan goes right now, there could be a caretaker.

Given our LH situation O'Hagan is going to dropped in at the deep on

Effectively only Warwick and McCall on the books with any experience.
Injuries to LH's means appearances area certainty
Other than that its VdeMerwe and Ah You - both totally inadequate at LH

clivemcl wrote:Th Ulster Rugby Round Up seems to suggest that Logan outbound is inevitable with the BelTel journo saying 'patience'. Think he also hinted that his replacement might not be quite ready to take the role just yet, so if Logan goes right now, there could be a caretaker.

They said a few weeks ago it'll be over the summer, think they said end of June/July, and the Constable rumour was a case of no smoke without fire

Neil Best tweeting PJ to sign for perpignan on Friday. Rumour that it might be scuppered by them taking Jantjies instead after Ulster wernt allowed him

toml wrote:Neil Best tweeting PJ to sign for perpignan on Friday. Rumour that it might be scuppered by them taking Jantjies instead after Ulster wernt allowed him

Further to that the French media had recently been speculating on who would be signed for USAP saying that PJ would be better as he was cheaper and would be available during international windows. Still it seems that they have indeed signed Jantjies.

The disgusting social media campaigners will be overjoyed.

So... the IRFU inadvertently screwed Paddy twice then? One by booting him in first place and secondly by allowing another 10 to be free to sign for Perpignan ahead of him. I still think he was a silly stupid lad, but man he must be close to psychological/emotional breakdown.

If nothing else poor judgement by Perpignan

Jackson over Jantjies any day of the week

clivemcl wrote:So... the IRFU inadvertently screwed Paddy twice then? One by booting him in first place and secondly by allowing another 10 to be free to sign for Perpignan ahead of him. I still think he was a silly stupid lad, but man he must be close to psychological/emotional breakdown.

Would you put past them to have recommended Jantjies to Perpignan?

Jackson to Brive is a possibility

As long as Jantjies keeps away from us.

I'm just glad someone is keeping Cunningham in check as he is in over his head.

How exactly is he in over his head rodders?

So far, when in charge, Cunningham has been responsible for recruiting two people Soper and Addison.
no complaints from me there

He has also cut costs, as dictated by IRFU, by getting rid of a lot of dead wood and the retirement of some outstanding players who were only going to deteriorate further.

No miss step so far

On Logan, the word seems to be.
When not If

I don't see how folks could be so anti-Jantjies but weren't so anti - VDM (both of them), Deysel, Wannenberg or Ludik - even Muller wasnt known as a world star lock really. Most of these players turned out to be very influential and good for us.

Jantjies is getting more of a negative reaction that Piutau did. Difference being we had loads of top quality backs available at time of Piutau, and yet currently are one injury away from an Academy player at 10.

I'd have taken Jantjies in a heartbeat, I think you are mad if you think we'd be better off with McPhillips backed up by the academy boys.

marty2086 wrote:How exactly is he in over his head rodders?

Because he's not experience enough to be recruiting for a club the size of Ulster. If the IRFU weren't keeping vetting him god know who he'd sign, he's like a rabbit in the headlights.
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clivemcl wrote:
Jantjies is getting more of a negative reaction that Piutau did.

Piatau got plenty of negative press but bottom line is he was top class, albeit a waste of money. Janties is just a waste of money.

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:How exactly is he in over his head rodders?

Because he's not experience enough to be recruiting for a club the size of Ulster. If the IRFU weren't keeping vetting him god know who he'd sign, he's like a rabbit in the headlights.
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All signings are vetted by the IRFU, not just at Ulster

What exactly has he done that has backed up what you say and how much experience is required?

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:
Jantjies is getting more of a negative reaction that Piutau did.

Piatau got plenty of negative press but bottom line is he was top class, albeit a waste of money. Janties is just a waste of money.  

Piutau obviously had a higher standard, but I believe Jantjies would bring more added value to teh current Ulster side than Piutau did when he signed.

Jantjies isn't fantastic, but the need is greater.

As the podcast boys pointed out, there is nobody with experience playing ten either in the squad or the staff older than the 21yr old McPhillips.

I don't know how true this is, but a rumour on the other forum indicates some of the Irish players has been 'having relations' on a balcony in full view, and it's been filmed by somebody.
For whatever reason they seem reluctant to name them, but say it's an Ireland full-back. Doesn't leave too many to guess from.

It's on twitter. Who knows. It's beginning to gain traction.

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Pretty sure that goes against the IRFUs values, so I wonder when he'll be sacked

I just hope it's his missus otherwise he's doubly fooked or is that trebley

Clive no need to share FAKE NEWS. Its not beneficial for anyone, probably best remove that.

Yea looks like they had a break away early May in a similar climate.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BiZx8iVHnaa/?hl=en&taken-by=robkearney

Interesting that some fella tagged another lad in the comments saying 'that answers your question so'.

toml, I made no declaration to it's truth. We are all adults here. You can use your own brain, I'll use mine.

Chilli workin his Willy
It looks consential but is it misogyny, I'm confused these days? I mean the word misogyny has been diluted so much through wrongful use that even consential sex is misogyny to some.

Are these the actions of a good, family friendly role model and when will he be fired? Will he heck get the boot, he's a Leinsterman ffs.

Pete330v2 wrote:
Seriously though I'm sure there'll be fallout over this but will he be fired? Will he heck, he's a Leinsterman ffs.

Probably not but if there was consistency he would be, pretty sure it's a crime though which if someone were to report could cause serious issues especially going into the RWC or back to the USA in November

marty2086 wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:
Seriously though I'm sure there'll be fallout over this but will he be fired? Will he heck, he's a Leinsterman ffs.

Probably not but if there was consistency he would be, pretty sure it's a crime though which if someone were to report could cause serious issues especially going into the RWC or back to the USA in November

It's a live porn show Marty, PJ got fired for texting "there was a lot of spit". I will await the IRFU statement or lack there of.

Whoever it is, it's brazen. It's a decision to do it in public view probably for the thrill. No concern given to the people who may see or the age of people who may see.

For those choosing not to watch the video, let me just say, the balcony wasn't very high up, and was above a public area which looked to be of a cafe/restaurant type with lots of people. The act itself was frantic and not in the slightest bit subtle.

There is a likeness to the player in question, but I can't say anything for sure. We know he holidayed in a similar destination about a month ago with his girlfriend who also matches the likeness in the video.

Will be interesting to see what comes of this.

In a country where public indecency and sex outside laws are as archaic as they are, no less.

Let's be honest though, we all know the IRFU will say nothing about this because of 1) Who he is, and 2) Where he's from.

T'other forum just posted an enlarged pic from the video, also a pic of him and his very blond partner on a recent holiday. It's Rob alright, I stake a load of cash on it.

Pete330v2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:
Seriously though I'm sure there'll be fallout over this but will he be fired? Will he heck, he's a Leinsterman ffs.

Probably not but if there was consistency he would be, pretty sure it's a crime though which if someone were to report could cause serious issues especially going into the RWC or back to the USA in November

It's a live porn show Marty, PJ got fired for texting "there was a lot of spit". I will await the IRFU statement or lack there of.

PJ got fired for more than that.

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:How exactly is he in over his head rodders?

Because he's not experience enough to be recruiting for a club the size of Ulster. If the IRFU weren't keeping vetting him god know who he'd sign, he's like a rabbit in the headlights.
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Conjecture not backup by his actions

clivemcl wrote:

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:
Jantjies is getting more of a negative reaction that Piutau did.

Piatau got plenty of negative press but bottom line is he was top class, albeit a waste of money. Janties is just a waste of money.  

Piutau obviously had a higher standard, but I believe Jantjies would bring more added value to teh current Ulster side than Piutau did when he signed.

Jantjies isn't fantastic, but the need is greater.

The need is greater in other position for NIQ players.
An experienced 10 would be useful like one of the Munster boys but a NIQ has to be very special to make up that slot - Jantjies isn't very special

clivemcl wrote:I don't see how folks could be so anti-Jantjies but weren't so anti - VDM (both of them), Deysel, Wannenberg or Ludik - even Muller wasnt known as a world star lock really. Most of these players turned out to be very influential and good for us.

I can only speak for myself I was anti Deysel at the time.
As for Wannenberg and Muller I had seen enough of them playing elsewhere to know they were excellent players, much better in their positions than Jantjies is in his.
VdM (mark 1) - no issue there because we, at the time, had no young Locks coming through under the radar.
VdM (mark 2) and Ludik are a bit different because Projects not NIE

Sin é wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:
Seriously though I'm sure there'll be fallout over this but will he be fired? Will he heck, he's a Leinsterman ffs.

Probably not but if there was consistency he would be, pretty sure it's a crime though which if someone were to report could cause serious issues especially going into the RWC or back to the USA in November

It's a live porn show Marty, PJ got fired for texting "there was a lot of spit". I will await the IRFU statement or lack there of.

PJ got fired for more than that.

Can everybody take this sh!t away from here and keep this to Ulster rugby.
Clive if you want to raise this melting pot again please start a new thread

geoff999rugby wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:
Seriously though I'm sure there'll be fallout over this but will he be fired? Will he heck, he's a Leinsterman ffs.

Probably not but if there was consistency he would be, pretty sure it's a crime though which if someone were to report could cause serious issues especially going into the RWC or back to the USA in November

It's a live porn show Marty, PJ got fired for texting "there was a lot of spit". I will await the IRFU statement or lack there of.

PJ got fired for more than that.

Can everybody take this sh!t away from here and keep this to Ulster rugby.
Clive if you want to raise this melting pot again please start a new thread

Ha Geoff, why am I getting it in the neck? Didnt once mention PJ etc...

Nobody here is the guardian of what an acceptable post is.

It will die down don't you worry.

Unless media or IRFU decide to run with it.

Are we allowed to bring it up again at that point?

Sorry, but I've misplaced my Little Book Of Forum Etiquette according to Geoff, must order a new one.

Etiquette is simply - stay on topic with the forum topic.

To claim that not mentioning PJ is disingenuous

Also take your condescending post and stick where the sun doesn't shine !!

Edit: Retracted

Lifes Too Short

i didnt see the need for this public sex stuff on the Ulster thread either. It isnt about Ulster. Move on

Clive - you are perfectly entitled to raise the issue in an Ulster context.
If the IRFU are treating Ulster players differently to those from other provinces then that needs to be highlighted. So if a player sees harsh treatment at Ulster and leniency at say Leinster, why would he move north?

The Great Aukster wrote:Clive - you are perfectly entitled to raise the issue in an Ulster context.
If the IRFU are treating Ulster players differently to those from other provinces then that needs to be highlighted. So if a player sees harsh treatment at Ulster and leniency at say Leinster, why would he move north?

I disagree, until it is proven it is Rob Kearney (which I highly doubt it is) and if it is - what punative measures the IRFU take, then it doesn't really have much Ulster context. There are plenty of Ireland threads for that.
That video has been around the internet for a few days, someone has seen it, thought it looks a bit like Rob Kearney, posted it on twitter and voila - fake news.
Thats my opinion, happy to be proven wrong.

toml wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:Clive - you are perfectly entitled to raise the issue in an Ulster context.
If the IRFU are treating Ulster players differently to those from other provinces then that needs to be highlighted. So if a player sees harsh treatment at Ulster and leniency at say Leinster, why would he move north?

I disagree, until it is proven it is Rob Kearney (which I highly doubt it is) and if it is - what punative measures the IRFU take, then it doesn't really have much Ulster context. There are plenty of Ireland threads for that.
That video has been around the internet for a few days, someone has seen it, thought it looks a bit like Rob Kearney, posted it on twitter and voila - fake news.
Thats my opinion, happy to be proven wrong.

I agree with Aukster you were right to post it here Clive, as you didnt know if it would create debate and this is the thread we mostly check. Yesterday this thread went most of the day without a comment so anything is welcome and in a roundabout way it is Ulster related.

I have asked you to you before to create a new thread when it takes over and I think that is fair, but it needs to be worded more diplomatically than it was.

Truth is, nothing will be done. The video on twitter is not clear enough. The online compression doesn't help. The original video would be  tad clearer, and the person who took it would need to give some info about where and when and have someone else verify the person in question was at that place.

Papers won't touch this without that is my guess, and IRFU won't give it the time of day if the media don't.

clivemcl wrote:

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:
Jantjies is getting more of a negative reaction that Piutau did.

Piatau got plenty of negative press but bottom line is he was top class, albeit a waste of money. Janties is just a waste of money.  

Piutau obviously had a higher standard, but I believe Jantjies would bring more added value to teh current Ulster side than Piutau did when he signed.

Jantjies isn't fantastic, but the need is greater.

He makes Keatley look like bloody Dan Carter and costs a hell of a lot more. Whoever entertained the idea of signing him needs shown the door.

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:
Jantjies is getting more of a negative reaction that Piutau did.

Piatau got plenty of negative press but bottom line is he was top class, albeit a waste of money. Janties is just a waste of money.  

Piutau obviously had a higher standard, but I believe Jantjies would bring more added value to teh current Ulster side than Piutau did when he signed.

Jantjies isn't fantastic, but the need is greater.

He makes Keatley look like bloody Dan Carter and costs a hell of a lot more. Whoever entertained the idea of signing him needs shown the door.

Yeah, it's not like he was one of the stars for the Lions last year and got to the Super Rugby final

Noones saying he's the greatest player in the world but I do wonder how much some people have seen of him in recent years

marty2086 wrote:

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:
Jantjies is getting more of a negative reaction that Piutau did.

Piatau got plenty of negative press but bottom line is he was top class, albeit a waste of money. Janties is just a waste of money.  

Piutau obviously had a higher standard, but I believe Jantjies would bring more added value to teh current Ulster side than Piutau did when he signed.

Jantjies isn't fantastic, but the need is greater.

He makes Keatley look like bloody Dan Carter and costs a hell of a lot more. Whoever entertained the idea of signing him needs shown the door.

Yeah, it's not like he was one of the stars for the Lions last year and got to the Super Rugby final

Noones saying he's the greatest player in the world but I do wonder how much some people have seen of him in recent years

Been rewatching last seasons rugby championship and he is poor. He was awful against Wales too so hasn't improved since then.

It might not be PC to say but I will anyway. If it wasn't for the quotas in SA I doubts we'd have heard of this guy, he certainly wouldn't be a springbok, not that that counts for much these days.

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:
Jantjies is getting more of a negative reaction that Piutau did.

Piatau got plenty of negative press but bottom line is he was top class, albeit a waste of money. Janties is just a waste of money.  

Piutau obviously had a higher standard, but I believe Jantjies would bring more added value to teh current Ulster side than Piutau did when he signed.

Jantjies isn't fantastic, but the need is greater.

He makes Keatley look like bloody Dan Carter and costs a hell of a lot more. Whoever entertained the idea of signing him needs shown the door.

Yeah, it's not like he was one of the stars for the Lions last year and got to the Super Rugby final

Noones saying he's the greatest player in the world but I do wonder how much some people have seen of him in recent years

Been rewatching last seasons rugby championship and he is poor. He was awful against Wales too so hasn't improved since then.

It might not be PC to say but I will anyway. If it wasn't for the quotas in SA I doubts we'd have heard of this guy, he certainly wouldn't be a springbok, not that that counts for much these days.  

Three's nothing non-PC about speaking the truth Rodders. If that's the caliber of player the SA quota system delivers it's clear to see why they've dropped off the cliff lately.

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:

rodders wrote:

clivemcl wrote:
Jantjies is getting more of a negative reaction that Piutau did.

Piatau got plenty of negative press but bottom line is he was top class, albeit a waste of money. Janties is just a waste of money.  

Piutau obviously had a higher standard, but I believe Jantjies would bring more added value to teh current Ulster side than Piutau did when he signed.

Jantjies isn't fantastic, but the need is greater.

He makes Keatley look like bloody Dan Carter and costs a hell of a lot more. Whoever entertained the idea of signing him needs shown the door.

Yeah, it's not like he was one of the stars for the Lions last year and got to the Super Rugby final

Noones saying he's the greatest player in the world but I do wonder how much some people have seen of him in recent years

Been rewatching last seasons rugby championship and he is poor. He was awful against Wales too so hasn't improved since then.

It might not be PC to say but I will anyway. If it wasn't for the quotas in SA I doubts we'd have heard of this guy, he certainly wouldn't be a springbok, not that that counts for much these days.  

He was capped before the quotas came in so it's just a plain stupid comment and like I said, he led the Lions well last year. Has anyone other than Marx or Kolisi looked good for SA in the last few years?

And on the back of your Dan Carter comment, has Dan Carter looked much like Dan Carter in the last few years?

Jantjies could be the best 10 in the world and come to Ulster and look like a fat playing with his laces tied, some people don't fit. Personally I think he has the skill set to offer something on the field and may be the best option available though it looks like he no longer is but whether he can be the guy to guide McPhillips I doubt it

I'm going controversial here and saying it's probably somewhere inbetween.

I'm glad he's not coming, but in his defence from that 1 game that everyone watched the Scrumhalf's delivery to him was woeful. One of the worst performances you're going to see. Especially in the first half.

Redman wrote:I'm going controversial here and saying it's probably somewhere inbetween.  

I'm glad he's not coming, but in his defence from that 1 game that everyone watched the Scrumhalf's delivery to him was woeful.  One of the worst performances you're going to see.  Especially in the first half.  

He is very talented but flaky. Best on a hard track playing running rugby, not at Ravers mid January though.

I see the Paddy Jackson stories to Perpignan are kicking off in the papers now, sounds like a done deal. Not a bad spot to earn your crust

Just heard the IRFU are allowing an NIE fly-half.

rodders wrote:Just heard the IRFU are allowing an NIE fly-half.

Who is left to sign though?