My Dad's bigger than your Dad

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Date: Saturday 10th November 2018
Time: 15:00
Location: Twickenham Stadium

Referee:       Jerome Garces (France)
Assistant 1:  Jaco Peyper (SA)
Assistant 2:  Marius Mitrea (Italy)
TMO:            Marius Jonker (SA)




Teams


England

[size=42]15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 22 caps), 14 Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks, 40 caps), 13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 14 caps), 12 Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 14 caps), 11 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 38 caps), 10 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 62 caps) co-captain, 9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 78 caps), 1 Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs, 1 cap), 2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 94 caps) co-captain, 3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 14 caps), 4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 23 caps), 5 George Kruis (Saracens, 26 caps), 6 Brad Shields (Wasps, 3 caps), 7 Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 6 caps), 8 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 5 caps).[/size]
[size=42]Finishers[/size]
[size=42]16 Jamie George (Saracens, 29 caps), 17 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs, 3 caps), 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps), 19 Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 7 caps), 20 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 65 caps), 21 Danny Care (Harlequins, 82 caps), 22 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 48 caps), 23 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 27 caps).[/size]




New Zealand

1. Karl Tu'inukuafe (10)
2. Codie Taylor (39)
3. Owen Franks (104)
4. Samuel Whitelock (106)
5. Brodie Retallick (72)
6. Liam Squire (21) 
7. Ardie Savea (32)
8. Kieran Read - captain (115)
9. Aaron Smith (80)
10. Beauden Barrett (70)
11. Rieko Ioane (21)
12. Sonny Bill Williams (50)
13. Jack Goodhue (5)
14. Ben Smith (74)
15. Damian McKenzie (20)

16. Dane Coles (57)
17. Ofa Tuungafasi (23)
18. Nepo Laulala (14)
19. Scott Barrett (26)
20. Matt Todd (15)
21. TJ Perenara (52)
22. Richie Mo'unga (5)
23. Ryan Crotty (42

Underhill is having an absolute stormer!

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Where are the world beating record scoring ABs we were promised?

On the field. Is it over? No.

Can you see NZ scoring 40 points plus?

stub wrote:Wow! Conditions same for both teams to be fair.

Absolutely, just crap for running rugby. Still expect the ABs to wear them out.

Yep early days - but at least England have turned up this week

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Where are the world beating record scoring ABs we were promised?

On the field. Is it over? No.

Can you see NZ scoring 40 points plus?

I can, but doubtful in this weather.

Great sportsmanship from Coles when Ashton grounded for the 22

Coles? Hes on the bench.

Decision making and kicking from England has been very good. Not giving NZ a chance to play.

Well done Savea.

Might be good news for NZ, with Crotty on much earlier than probably planned.

Sorry trying to calm down! Apologies to Taylor

Yeah theyre getting into it more. Need to keep the passes shorter and no 50/50s.retain the ball.

Ballsy

A lot of kick and clap from NZ today

greenandpleasantland wrote:Sorry trying to calm down! Apologies to Taylor

me too

Hope they keep this ariel shot on the scrum...

It's a cracking game Taylor...1 on 1 for Ioane from a scrum?

Collapse2005 wrote:A lot of kick and clap from NZ today

You sure you’re not from Australia?

Get on yer bike Shields!

That was clinical...game on

Brave decision and paid off

Good try Dmac, thats the way its going to have to be played. Starting to get into the match now. Better score to go into half time.

Pot Hale wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:A lot of kick and clap from NZ today

You sure you’re not from Australia?  

I am from Australia and Ireland

Farrell? That went straight into the stands

Collapse2005 wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:A lot of kick and clap from NZ today

You sure you’re not from Australia?  

I am from Australia and Ireland

Geez, no wonder

Penalty or try ABs?

Penalty...

Well that was annoying - can't afford to put the restart into touch ...

Impressive how fast they get points back.

Yep - that last 3 was due to an unforced error that England really can't afford to make.

Still not many wouldn't have taken a 5 point lead at HT if offered before the match.

If NZ weather the likely big England second half start, I think they might win by about 8. Grew into that game brilliantly, considering the start England made.

A half of two halves, England completely dominating the start with two great tries, both very different. ABs then started to get into it and slowly strangled England woth possession and territory and a crucial try pre half time. Cant not score from that, and is what SA didnt do with all that ball.

Second half will be crucial for the benches of both sides. This battle up front will be hurting both tight fives, the outer backs merely spectators so far.

England control about 30 mins of the half but still go in only 5 up. Much more to come from NZ which is ominous. Not sure we can keep the intensity up and our bench isn't as good as normal. We need a score quickly in the 2nd half I feel.

30 minutes, pretty much perfect. After that, New Zealand were damn ruthless in getting back into it. Underhill has been immense.

Should England get the first try in the second half, game on, otherwise it's game over.

Big first score after half time. England need to keep the intensity up, which will be tough, the best we've played for a long time. Discipline was excellent but started to falter towards the end.

Cracking test match so far either way.

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:A lot of kick and clap from NZ today

You sure you’re not from Australia?  

I am from Australia and Ireland

Geez, no wonder

Already told you that

Scotland match high scoring in what looks a much dryer match. Scot backs playing well.

ABs have just got to go back to the up the middle stuff and short passes. This rain has removed a lot of potential for quick wide ball.

They need to keep starving and strangling England up the middle. Boring but necessary. Mo’unga to add some punch when hes on hopefully.

Jones will be screaming more out of England at the moment. Be interesting what theyve got left, they worked hard towards the end.

Abs ability to score both sides of half time comes into play again hopefully.

Taylorman wrote:A half of two halves, England completely dominating the start with two great tries, both very different. ABs then started to get into it and slowly strangled England woth possession and territory and a crucial try pre half time. Cant not score from that, and is what SA didnt do with all that ball.

Second half will be crucial for the benches of both sides. This battle up front will be hurting both tight fives, the outer backs merely spectators so far.

AB forwards will be battered for the Ireland game

Phew - thought they were in there ...

Yeah.. that was the try...too wet for that.

Rains stopped? Hooray...

Barrett. First droppie ever ha ha.

First ball England get, in the ABs half and they kick it.hmm

Silly pen.

Go on scrum england!

Tired boy Sinckler.

Unlucky England, wet ball again.

Big scrum, good work read.

Unfortunate game of handling errors galore from both sides. Disappointing after a long wait for this encounter.

Not surprising given the weather though ...

Get mac off, mo’unga on barrett to fb. Amateur mistake.