My Dad's bigger than your Dad

by **LondonTiger** Mon 05 Nov 2018, 3:39 pm

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Date: Saturday 10th November 2018
Time: 15:00
Location: Twickenham Stadium

Referee: Jerome Garces (France)
Assistant 1: Jaco Peyper (SA)
Assistant 2: Marius Mitrea (Italy)
TMO: Marius Jonker (SA)

Teams

England

[size=42]15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 22 caps), 14 Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks, 40 caps), 13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 14 caps), 12 Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 14 caps), 11 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 38 caps), 10 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 62 caps) co-captain, 9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 78 caps), 1 Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs, 1 cap), 2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 94 caps) co-captain, 3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 14 caps), 4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 23 caps), 5 George Kruis (Saracens, 26 caps), 6 Brad Shields (Wasps, 3 caps), 7 Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 6 caps), 8 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 5 caps).[/size]
[size=42]Finishers[/size]
[size=42]16 Jamie George (Saracens, 29 caps), 17 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs, 3 caps), 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 12 caps), 19 Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 7 caps), 20 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 65 caps), 21 Danny Care (Harlequins, 82 caps), 22 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 48 caps), 23 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 27 caps).[/size]

New Zealand

1. Karl Tu'inukuafe (10)
2. Codie Taylor (39)
3. Owen Franks (104)
4. Samuel Whitelock (106)
5. Brodie Retallick (72)
6. Liam Squire (21)
7. Ardie Savea (32)
8. Kieran Read - captain (115)
9. Aaron Smith (80)
10. Beauden Barrett (70)
11. Rieko Ioane (21)
12. Sonny Bill Williams (50)
13. Jack Goodhue (5)
14. Ben Smith (74)
15. Damian McKenzie (20)

16. Dane Coles (57)
17. Ofa Tuungafasi (23)
18. Nepo Laulala (14)
19. Scott Barrett (26)
20. Matt Todd (15)
21. TJ Perenara (52)
22. Richie Mo'unga (5)
23. Ryan Crotty (42

by mid_gen Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:25 pm

England scrum getting on top now...

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:25 pm

Wow that was harsh ... pinged for dummy throw but ABs jumped early

by Taylorman Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:26 pm

Heaf wrote:Not surprising given the weather though ...

Yeah continuous rain well before and during gives the field and players no chance of reasonably good handling.

by mid_gen Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:27 pm

All gone a bit amateur hour the last 10. Hope the quality picks up.

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:28 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Heaf wrote:Not surprising given the weather though ...

Yeah continuous rain well before and during gives the field and players no chance of reasonably good handling.

And the rain is back now too ...

by Taylorman Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:33 pm

Anyones game, still think the ABs will nudge it, Jones has prepared England well though. Geez england clearly dont want the ball.

by Taylorman Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:36 pm

Heaf wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
Heaf wrote:Not surprising given the weather though ...

Yeah continuous rain well before and during gives the field and players no chance of reasonably good handling.

And the rain is back now too ...

Yeah ABs have strung ten times as many passes together for not a lot of gain, England prepared to kick every ounce of possession as soon as they get it.

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:37 pm

Small margins - England's line out gone off a bit since getting pinged for dummy throw when in a good field position ... could equally have gone the other way for AB jumping early.

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:38 pm

Maybe England are kicking because handling is difficult?

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:40 pm

Maybe taking Hartley off wasn't such a good idea ...

by Taylorman Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:43 pm

Doesnt pass a lot May Ive noticed.

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:43 pm

Surely that's a penalty for slapping the ball out of play?

by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:44 pm

George having a mare from what I can get of the BBC live snippits

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:44 pm

These line-outs are killing any chance England have ...

by Collapse2005 Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:44 pm

Heaf wrote:Surely that's a penalty for slapping the ball out of play?

Yes it should have been. Ref missed it

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:46 pm

AR should have seen it ...

by mid_gen Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:46 pm

George comes on. Our lineout falls apart. Again. He's had enough chances.

by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:47 pm

George messes up again

by Collapse2005 Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:48 pm

Heaf wrote:AR should have seen it ...

Why didnt the England captain call it to the ref. Poor

by Pot Hale Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:48 pm

Headline for tomorrow:

Beauden Barrett drops a goal and kicks a penalty for New Zealand to win the match.

by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:49 pm

Ford on? playing the ball now?

by Pot Hale Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:49 pm

Or maybe not.

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:49 pm

Wow Underhill turns the defender inside out ...

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:52 pm

He's clearly onside ... what's the TMO looking at .... jeez

by **RDW** Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:52 pm

Offside - he was in front of the back foot of the ruck

by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:53 pm

would they be taking so much time if NZ had scored

by Taylorman Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:54 pm

Geez, a french ref going in our favour. Tough that one. Get the feeling we’ll be hearing about that for a looooooong time.

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:54 pm

Not for me ... Add to the non penalty for the slap out of play and the dodgy line-out call and England aren't getting the rub ...

by Taylorman Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:55 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Offside - he was in front of the back foot of the ruck

Yeah his original standing position was already offside. But try was deserved regardless.

Now England decide to run things?

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:57 pm

by mid_gen Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:57 pm

That was the game, drop goal was there. Dumb.

by Taylorman Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:57 pm

Farrell drop or penalty seems fitting.

by **LondonTiger** Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:58 pm

Bloody Care.

by **LondonTiger** Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:58 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Bloody Care.

For moving it wide when we had to stay in Front

by **LondonTiger** Sat 10 Nov 2018, 4:59 pm

So chuffing angry. Will come back when calm.

by stub Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:00 pm

Hmmm.

by Barney McGrew did it Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:00 pm

Barney McGrew did it wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
TMO: Marius Jonker (SA)

We're doomed! OF to go to the TMO in the 1st 5 minutes for looking at the ref a bit squint - definite Red Card.

Sweet revenge

by **RDW** Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:00 pm

Can see there being masses of debate but for me he was in an offside position from the beginning so didn't matter when the 9 picked it up.

Stuart Barnes is an awful, awful commentator!

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:00 pm

Well I never expected it to be that close and I think England can feel hard done by for a few calls that could have given them the win ... at least it showed some promise for the future.

by stub Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:00 pm

Well, probably not fit to comment at the moment either.

by mid_gen Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:01 pm

Farrell should have called for the drop goal, can't blame Care.

Disappointing result, but a good performance.

Underhill MotM for me. Huge game.

by protea438 Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:01 pm

Poetic justice I guess

by greenandpleasantland Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:02 pm

Threw it away...so angry at some very silly English plays.

by Heaf Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:02 pm

Having said that with a bit more composure they still could have taken it at the end ...

by Duty281 Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:02 pm

Amazing performance from England. An injury-depleted England outplaying a near full-strength New Zealand for much of the game, with the latter needing bucketloads of help from the officials to get over the line. Far closer than I had anticipated.

Well done to Eddie Jones and the coaching staff for getting the tactics spot on.

by stub Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:02 pm

England are there or thereabouts.

by **Rugby Fan** Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:03 pm

Well, we kept New Zealand's score down, which was key to getting a win but didn't do the next part and score more ourselves.

by Barney McGrew did it Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:03 pm

As soon as Barnes said Hartley's England days were over I knew we were in trouble - George then has difficulty seeing a barn door.

by Brendan Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:04 pm

Like in South Africa in the Summer good start but get reeled back in.

Well done England with who they didn't have

New Zealand did enough but nothing more and if it wasn't for the lineout might have lost. Not the big win some posted were saying and it was a full strenght AB team

Unsure if this is good or bad for next week

by LeinsterFan4life Sat 10 Nov 2018, 5:05 pm

Retallick will go done as one of the best ever, he amazes me every time I see him play.

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