Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

by dynamark Tue 26 Feb 2019, 5:16 pm

First topic message reminder :

I think its a done deal -no doubt he will be sat with the owner tonight
Villa should be a big big club remember going to cup semis there but probably need an owner willing to throw in some quick money .
No messing around in football these days from any of the owners.

by super_realist Thu 23 May 2019, 7:52 am

McLaren wrote:Super

You seem to be divorcing what he said with any consequences it could have, some of which have been laid out by other posters.

As an exercise would you humor me and list what consequences you think there might be when a prominent figure makes homophobic comments?

It's HUMOUR Mac, not HUMOR, sort out your spell check.

Mmmm, what are the consequences for someone who makes homophobic statements? (by the way, why are you limiting this to homophobia? This was just one part of a much wider statement, why are you only seeing this as a slur against gay people in such a virtue signalling way?)

Ridicule for a start and any sanctions that are available under any rules enforced by his/her employers.

The point is that everyone these days is so quick to call for someone to be sacked at the slightest offence, when people haven't taken the chance to examine and ridicule his views. Rather than simply having a knee jerk sacking, why aren't media companies pointing out what an absurd and outdated thing it is to say and how unreasonable it is to hold such a view? Why are they tip toeing around indefensible beliefs so much? They haven't criticised his religion and how immoral it is once in this whole debacle.

If you start banning people every time someone says something you don't like instead of actually discussing it and exposing it for how stupid it is then you run the risk of everyone becoming like the idiotic university millennial who needs safe spaces and no platforms people rather than face things they find uncomfortable. Do you really want that, or do you want a population who can actually debate a topic without simply banning people who don't agree with you?

by JAS Thu 23 May 2019, 9:20 am

super_realist wrote:
pedro wrote:Well, as I understand Azerbaijan are not denying him entry. Mkhitaryan chooses not to play due to security fears. That's fair enough. But what should UEFA do?

Imagine if an Israeli team made it to a final being played in Paris? Or if a Ukrainian team made it to a final in Moscow? Or various Balkan teams playing in various Balkan cities? Or Irish teams (ok, hypothetical) playing in super_realists home town?

You have players of all sorts of nationalities on all teams. There will always be some of certain nationalities that will be unpopular in certain venues.

After all, they're playing the World Cup in Qatar, are we to believe that Saudi Arabia and UAE won't turn up if they qualify?

The fact is Armenians have been banned from entering Azerberjhan (they’ve made an exception for the player but not the fans) So...Holier than thou UEFA who bleat on about eradicating racism, sectarianism indeed all forms of discrimination etc etc have compromised those principles and taken the final to a country that actively discriminates against citizens of another member country. No matter how nice a city Baku may be, to take a showpiece final there is quite simply an indefensible position. Having said that as they have already shat the bed they are just going to have to lie in it.

by beninho Thu 23 May 2019, 9:33 am

Baku for a uefa dinal is stupid in so many ways. Also for the 4 games in next years euros. Its a money option paid for by the oli rich corrupt leaders.

I'm staggered if anyone genuinely thinks its a good choice.

by pedro Thu 23 May 2019, 10:20 am

beninho wrote:Baku for a uefa dinal is stupid in so many ways. Also for the 4 games in next years euros. Its a money option paid for by the oli rich corrupt leaders.

I'm staggered if anyone genuinely thinks its a good choice.

Funny how UEFA didn't learn from all the smoke FIFA got for awarding the WC to Qatar. Or the Olympic Committee for awarding the winter olympics to the subtropical city of Sochi. Corrupt bunch all of them.

It could be quite interesting if the bigger clubs broke out of UEFA and made their own Euro league, as they have threatened. Not sure you'd see any finals played in dodgy places.

by McLaren Thu 23 May 2019, 11:07 am

When asked what consequences making homophobic comments might have Super replies with,

people haven't taken the chance to examine and ridicule his views

Is there some new intelligent and well reasoned argument for homophobia I am not aware of?

by super_realist Fri 24 May 2019, 8:21 am

McLaren wrote:When asked what consequences making homophobic comments might have Super replies with,

people haven't taken the chance to examine and ridicule his views

Is there some new intelligent and well reasoned argument for homophobia I am not aware of?

How completely dishonest of you Mac, that is not ALL I said at all. Ridicule is PART of it. Why is no one (except James Whale) actually criticising how incompatible religious views are with modern society (or in fact any society after the industrial and scientific revolution)

Again I'll ask why are you limiting this to homophobia? He stated that homosexuals, adulterers, atheists, fornicators etc are destined for hell (he didn't actually say they deserve, or should go to hell by the way)
I don't see you jumping to the defence of adulterers, fornicators or atheists. Why is that? Perhaps because no one actually gives a toss what some ignorant, indoctrinated hypocrite (who by his own standards is also destined for hell) says about them.

How is that trying to be a reasoned argument for homophobia? It is clearly saying just how stupid and unjustifiable Folau's statement was.

Why would anyone be upset or offended by the rantings of a mad man? It's not as if you were a gay Christian you wouldn't be aware of its opinion of homosexuality. I don't see Atheists for example being offended by this, so why are you leaping to the defence of a minority who also haven't expressed much offence?

by beninho Fri 24 May 2019, 9:07 am

Why not pick out the homophobia in a homophobic statement. It was homophobic and don't think it should be played down. If anyone doesn't think that public belittling of a group is not offensive, then you have to question their viewpoint.

Extreme religious views are horrendous, they are not a laughing matter or even a matter for rudicule, considering the harm that has been done. But any extreme views can be dangerous.

Luckily, the vast majority of people do not have extreme religious views, and just live as they wish.

by I'm never wrong Fri 24 May 2019, 8:07 pm

Seems like Baku is an issue after all. Reports in several media outlets saying both clubs haven’t sold their allocation and sponsors returning tickets.

by McLaren Sat 25 May 2019, 10:26 am

Super

Not sure why you think using that was dishonest, I thought it encapsulated what you have been saying quite well. You think Folau's comments should have been explored to find out exactly why he said them. Here is a further example of this idea,

super_realist wrote:instead of actually discussing it and exposing it for how stupid it is

Are you really still at the stage where you need further discussion about statements that most people would consider blatantly homophobic in order for you to accept them as so?

by dynamark Sun 26 May 2019, 12:51 pm

Us Seniors -Paul Broadhurst going very well again probably making more now than he did on regular tour.For a man with a swing like my butcher he makes it work.
Home course Atherstone is very unusual track bit hard to describe but well worth a visit if you are going up the A5

by kwinigolfer Sun 26 May 2019, 1:46 pm

$3.2M to date, dyna, sitting snugly between Don January and David Toms on the US Champions Tour career earnings list.
More on Broady's progess on the PGA Tour thread as his round gets going.

by dynamark Sun 26 May 2019, 3:35 pm

Kwini that's a living. His swing is horrid in a Jim Fuyrk type of way but very effective and he can chip and putt.Apparently you could have a shave with the leading edge of his wedge.Pretty genuine guy by all accounts.

by beninho Mon 27 May 2019, 7:13 am

A good nigjt for Farage and his boys but a good night for second referendum parties, who took a majority of 40%. Country still split.

by McLaren Mon 27 May 2019, 2:40 pm

What doesn't seem to be getting much attention is that in Scotland explicitly remain parties won around 62% of the votes. And that is not including remainers who voted for cons or Labour.

Clear remain parties won only 17%.

As mentioned above who knows where to place the con and labour vote.

by dynamark Mon 27 May 2019, 4:08 pm

Mac that's because you have SNP and we don't.By all means have another indy ref it would simplify the maths in the HOC if the scots MPs were not in it but break up the union and all that.
Overall its very much as you were with I think 37% turnout does not get us anywhere near an agreed deal.Tory leader- I have no idea why anyone would be applying for that particular job.

by Be_the_ball Wed 29 May 2019, 9:37 am

I got off the DART (light rail in Dublin) this morning and overheard a guy chatting to his mate on the phone "so whats it like in Baku?" Laugh

so some people have traveled, although I believe he was not Armenian!

by Roller_Coaster Wed 29 May 2019, 11:04 am

Be_the_ball wrote:I got off the DART (light rail in Dublin) this morning and overheard a guy chatting to his mate on the phone "so whats it like in Baku?"
so some people have traveled, although I believe he was not Armenian!

It was probably* Bailiac Khaiu (which in Gaelic is pronounced Back oo) which is a trendy, non-chain, hipster coffee shop top side of St Stephen's Green. The answer from the other end of the phone that you couldn't hear will have been something like "Sick, the organic java espresso in the new recyclable take-out cup is literally saving endangered baby marmosets"

* probably not

by pedro Wed 29 May 2019, 11:59 am

Roller_Coaster wrote:
Be_the_ball wrote:I got off the DART (light rail in Dublin) this morning and overheard a guy chatting to his mate on the phone "so whats it like in Baku?"
so some people have traveled, although I believe he was not Armenian!

It was probably* Bailiac Khaiu (which in Gaelic is pronounced Back oo) which is a trendy, non-chain, hipster coffee shop top side of St Stephen's Green. The answer from the other end of the phone that you couldn't hear will have been something like "Sick, the organic java espresso in the new recyclable take-out cup is literally saving endangered baby marmosets"

* probably not

by Be_the_ball Wed 29 May 2019, 8:09 pm

No doubt his mate is actually in a pub in Galway watching it on Sky!

by kwinigolfer Wed 29 May 2019, 9:52 pm

Another invisible effort from Ozil. Worthless. Must have thought he was in Bacup.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 29 May 2019, 10:24 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Another invisible effort from Ozil. Worthless. Must have thought he was in Bacup.

Poor, wasn't he? I forgot he was on the pitch until he got subbed. Impressive second half from Chelsea though.

by dynamark Thu 30 May 2019, 8:30 am

Had to laugh at David Pleat who was commentating on the stream I had .Iwobi came on to the pitch and Pleat confidently stated 'he doesn't score goals' at which precise point the lad blasted one into the net .Priceless.

by wiretapper Thu 30 May 2019, 10:10 am

kwinigolfer wrote:Another invisible effort from Ozil. Worthless. Must have thought he was in Bacup.

Yip

Arsenal were so poor in the second half last night. Much work to be done there and by all accounts, with only a small amount of funds.

by McLaren Thu 30 May 2019, 11:02 am

Ozil wasn't great but Maitland Niles was even worse than he normally is. I though Ashley Young at right back was as low as it got but Maitland Niles has mastered the art of the hopeless right back.

Monreal pretty bad as well.

by Davie Thu 30 May 2019, 11:26 am

I thought Maitland Niles was one of the better outfield Arsenal players apart from giving away the soft penalty. Ozil should never wear an Arsenal shirt again

But really, when all said and done, how many Arsenal fans would have bitten your hand off at the start of the season with a promise of 5th in the league (only one point behind Spurs who according to most people had a much better season) and a European Final - after so long with Wenger in charge there were many predicting Arsenal wouldn't even be top 6.

They need to shore up the defence - and yes Emery made some peculiar decisions over the season, but all in all I'd say it was far from a poor season - just a little disappointing that they didn't exceed the expectations even more in the end

by dynamark Thu 30 May 2019, 12:22 pm

Start of the season I thought Chelsea would be a real contender but a few odd decisions and odd results.
Arsenal(and Spurs to an extent)have never been famous for chucking money around from the boardroom down all very prudent.For next year its hard to see further than Man Citeh with Liverpool and Chelsea(with new manager) on their tail.Leicester might force it into 6th or 7th but will need to find a back up to Vardy.

by McLaren Thu 30 May 2019, 1:27 pm

Davie

Maitland Niles was a dead end for possession. Either hit first defender with a cross or gave the ball away. Utterly woeful performance.

by Davie Thu 30 May 2019, 1:38 pm

Mac - obviously it's only opinions, but I've just done a quick search around various player ratings sources.

They are all open to interpretation and some are more reliable than others but for example, the Guardian gave 5/10 - bettered only by Lacazette of the outfield players.

Sky Sports also gave him 5/10 - bettered only by Iwobi who wasn't on the pitch long enough but was given a 78 just purely for his consolation goal

Daily Mail (*spit*) gave him 5/10 but bizarrely (IMO) gave out quite a few 6's

Daily Mirror gives him equal top ranking, again with 5/10

even the dubiously named arseblog.news gave him 5/10 beaten only by the substitutes

Yes I know 5/10 is hardly earth shattering, but he is consistently coming out as the best or one of the best (of a bad lot) on the night - which is all I claimed

by McLaren Thu 30 May 2019, 1:46 pm

Let's face it, it probably isn't worth too much of our time debating who was the worst arsenal performer last night. They were all pretty terrible.

Also even though Emerson wasn't brilliant I thought Chelsea looked so much better with Alonso out the team.

by kwinigolfer Thu 30 May 2019, 2:08 pm

AMN is a star of the future, which is more than can be said about anyone else in Arsenal colours.

David Pleat is terrible . . . . . . . .

by McLaren Thu 30 May 2019, 2:52 pm

I'm going to do Super a favour here and say if Maitland Niels wasn't English there would be zero hype or interest in him. If he was foreign and putting those performances in for Watford you wouldn't even know his name.

by kwinigolfer Thu 30 May 2019, 3:34 pm

McLaren wrote:I'm going to do Super a favour here and say if Maitland Niels wasn't English there would be zero hype or interest in him. If he was foreign and putting those performances in for Watford you wouldn't even know his name.

We'll see. Two years ago I raved about a young full-back playing for 'ull (not Watford admittedly) and he was a foreigner.
Now he's teeing it up regularly for Mane, Salah & Firmino.
If Monreal doesn't re-up on conclusion of his contract, imagine AMF (a nice golfing connotation there) will be the regular left wing-back and earning rave reviews.

by beninho Thu 30 May 2019, 7:09 pm

Who is hyping him up? He's a decent young prospect. If Watford produced a decent young English full back, or player, then they may well ve hyped. Instead they buy cheap foreigners.

How many good young fullbacks in the prem can you name mac?

by wiretapper Fri 31 May 2019, 9:19 am

Ben Stokes - Discuss..

For those that haven't seen it https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1134130850839351298

by McLaren Fri 31 May 2019, 11:35 am

Cricket is way too off topic. Take it to the cricket boards.

picard

by wiretapper Fri 31 May 2019, 12:01 pm

Pretty sure I've discussed cricket on here before Whistle

And that catch kinda transcends it anyway what with the coverage it has received

by kwinigolfer Fri 31 May 2019, 1:12 pm

Let's have more cricket comment on here . . . . . . . .

by dynamark Fri 31 May 2019, 1:26 pm

Yes its a ball and a stick to hit it with so not so far off.
Leicester FC late owners horse in the Derby on Saturday apparently bought 100 racehorses !!

by Roller_Coaster Fri 31 May 2019, 1:52 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:
McLaren wrote:I'm going to do Super a favour here and say if Maitland Niels wasn't English there would be zero hype or interest in him. If he was foreign and putting those performances in for Watford you wouldn't even know his name.

We'll see. Two years ago I raved about a young full-back playing for 'ull (not Watford admittedly) and he was a foreigner.
Now he's teeing it up regularly for Mane, Salah & Firmino.
If Monreal doesn't re-up on conclusion of his contract, imagine AMF (a nice golfing connotation there) will be the regular left wing-back and earning rave reviews.

Quite interesting article on the back story of Robertson on the BBC BBC Robertson Link. Don't like Liverpool at all, but they've got a belting team and he's one of the stand outs for me.

by McLaren Fri 31 May 2019, 2:09 pm

wiretapper wrote:Pretty sure I've discussed cricket on here before :whistle:

And that catch kinda transcends it anyway what with the coverage it has received

Didn't seem that impressive. You see the Frisbee wnkrs make those sort of catches all the time.

by kwinigolfer Fri 31 May 2019, 2:33 pm

Roller,
Agree about the great Robertson piece, very interesting.
I wish he'd become less dependent upon his left foot though, I'd say that one-footedness is his (and dozens of others') only weakness. Against that, his defensive positioning is uncanny, especially when he's covering for VVD. Wonderful player to watch.

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