The Trump Presidency

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Pal Joey wrote:Just between us few on here... I have a feeling the Queen likes Trump.

Don't ask me to explain why but their body language seemed to be in a sort of comfortable harmony when they stood beside each other in June or whenever it was. And I think he quite likes all of that pomp and ceremony... as someone who likes being the centre of attention would.

He's a cross between a court jester and a village idiot so she would love him. Probably lets him run round the grounds with the corgis.

Yes... and also the fact that he has just a touch of olde worlde charm (probably brutally drummed into him from the NY Military Academy) despite his apparently frightening unpredictability in this day and age.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Anytime you feel like moaning at the UK political system...Just remember Bloomberg has spent 250m already trying to become Democratic nominee....While millions are being bankrupted for seeing a loved one become ill...

What's worse he has a snowball chance in hell and probably knows it.  

US system is a busted flush. They need to have a real look at it if they want to maintain the perception as a good example of republican democracy.
This impeachment trial is bollox - independent jurors, my arse; and that applies to both sides. You'd be proud of me, TRUSS; read some of Hamilton's thoughts on this. Also, pre-1913 (I think; 17th Amendment), Senators weren't even directly elected, precisely so they'd feel independent enough to decide on facts w/o worrying about their positions. The House being the responsive body, while the Senate the responsible body. Where they are now is both sad and ridiculous.

Perhaps Nixon aside impeachment is just power game BS.....Read an Independent article about why Andrew Johnson (Lincoln's successor) was impeached for being too kind to slave owners and for selling out to the South after the Civil war....(Johnson was on the Lincoln ticket because he was from the South and had sympathy for slave owners..Who knew ??)..

In reality Johnson sacked a guy called Edwin Stanton who basically ran the GOP machine and him and his little scroungers didn't like being disrespected......Bit like the Dems with Bernie now..I see Hillary has had a nasty little rant..

Andrew Johnson was crap and he wasn't an abolitionist but as with that impeachment 150 years ago and this one it is political opportunism..Nothing more..

It may back fire.....

Never been prouder of you Navy...

As I've said before, the Dems were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Did Trump commit high crimes and misdemeanors? Almost certainly so.

If they didn't pursue impeachment, they'd have been accused of political opportunism in focusing too much on the upcoming presidential election.

At the end of the day, if you think he did it (which he almost certainly did), then impeaching the POTUS is your job. End of story.

Pr4wn wrote:As I've said before, the Dems were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Did Trump commit high crimes and misdemeanors? Almost certainly so.

If they didn't pursue impeachment, they'd have been accused of political opportunism in focusing too much on the upcoming presidential election.

At the end of the day, if you think he did it (which he almost certainly did), then impeaching the POTUS is your job. End of story.

The whole point of this impeachment is Political opportunism...Fancy a President trying to strong arm a foreign entity for Political gain..

Not like VP Biden didn't do it to further his Son's career or anything or Clinton (Christopher Steele anyone)...Reagan and Iran contra....Nixon secretly talking to Vietnam leaders to try to keep the Vietnam war going until Election day to screw the Democrats..

Presidents have been doing this stuff for years......Impeachment is a sham the Senate will throw it out and Pelosi and her mates are using it in the hope it soils Trump in an Election year.....Also it keeps Senator Sanders in Washington while Biden can tour Iowa and New Hampshire at will...

Bloomberg doing better in head to heads than Warren....As are the others..

SurveyUSA

Sanders.....52  Trump 43
Biden........50  Trump 43
Bloomberg.49  Trump 42
Buttigieg....47 Trump  44
Warren......48  Trump 45

Worth remembering Buttigieg hasn't got the name recognition of the others...Yet.

Also worth noting Hillary finished three points ahead of Trump and lost....So while Trump is hurting through the Impeachment saga his score against the latter two would be encouraging to a certain extent..

BTW if you want the latest polls on the race for WH2020..........'Political polls' twitter account has them all..

Name recognition? Are you serious, Truss? His name is the only thing that stands out.

Worth pointing out that super Tuesday in 5 weeks takes on special significance in 2020 because California has been moved from June to that night..

California has around 500 delegates to say New Hampshire that has around 30..

Win there and it could be the end of the race or a way back into the game.

The polls at the moment have it Biden v Sanders but momentum is everything if Bloomberg.. Buttigieg or Warren do well in the run up..

Emerson poll....Trustworthiness..

Sanders...55/35
Buttigieg..42/33
Warren....46/40
Klobuchar.37/32
Biden.......46/45

Trump......38/58

Enlightening that the Democrat winning the Primary race at the moment is the least trustworthy.....Perhaps things like Trust..Honesty and other virtues aren't as respected as much as they used to be..

California...Latest poll.

Sanders 26
Warren...20
Biden......15
Buttigieg..7

If these numbers are anywhere near Buttigieg will be out...

But momentum is a big deal...His numbers are respectable in Iowa and NH...and it's 6 days to the former plus the field will get narrower and transfers will result.

Looks like Bolton will be asked to testify, might be interesting.

The Democrats don't want Trump removed from office...The whole debacle is a waste of monėy to damage Trump before GE2020..

Mike Pence in a honeymoon period probably wins a landslide..

Look at the Racist..Mysogynistic..Spoonfed plank that has just won over here while still in his honeymoon period.

All a game..Burning dollar bills while little Lisa sees Daddy get bankrupted when she gets sick..

Saw CNN making the case that Trump is the most racist President ever...

Not sure he is up to these guys..

Calvin Coolidge....Brought in the hostile immigration act of 1924...Also during the great Mississippi flood he flooded Black Communities to ease the pressure on white ones..

(President after the thickest President in history died Warren Harding...Coolidge was so quiet when he died the joke was "How can they tell")

James Polk...Spent his Political life espousing that the USA should not rest tiĺl Whitey owned every acre of land in the America as they were the superior race...Spent his Presidency acquiring territories from the Brits and Mexicans...

Andrew Johnson....Reversed Lincoln's proposals to give land to freed Blacks in the South and gave it back to their former Masters instead (He was later impeached...Won by a single vote)..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Saw CNN making the case that Trump is the most racist President ever...

Not sure he is up to these guys..

Calvin Coolidge....Brought in the hostile immigration act of 1924...Also during the great Mississippi flood he flooded Black Communities to ease the pressure on white ones..

(President after the thickest President in history died Warren Harding...Coolidge was so quiet when he died the joke was "How can they tell")

James Polk...Spent his Political life espousing that the USA should not rest tiĺl Whitey owned every acre of land in the America as they were the superior race...Spent his Presidency acquiring territories from the Brits and Mexicans...

Andrew Johnson....Reversed Lincoln's proposals to give land to freed Blacks in the South and gave it back to their former Masters instead (He was later impeached...Won by a single vote)..

All good comparison points, but does context of the times make it any different? Maybe not, but comparing differing historical mores is always tricky.

Started with Polk who made the KKK seem moderate...I disregarded the early ones who didn't know any better....

Washington to Hickory Jackson got a pass.

Millard Fillmore came close but he hated everybody including his Wife..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Started with Polk who made the KKK seem moderate...I disregarded the early ones who didn't know any better....

Washington to Hickory Jackson got a pass.

Millard Fillmore came close but he hated everybody including his Wife..

Fair dos . Re. Fillmore - .

Iowa caucus tomorrow......To get any delegates you need to get 15%.....

Latest poll...

Sanders..28%
Warren...21%
Biden.....15%
Buttigieg.15%

Great poll for Warren because as she will get more 2nd round transfers than Sanders..

There's something quite pathetic about the drawn out nature of the candidacy race.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Iowa caucus tomorrow......To get any delegates you need to get 15%.....

Latest poll...

Sanders..28%
Warren...21%
Biden.....15%
Buttigieg.15%

Great poll for Warren because as she will get more 2nd round transfers than Sanders..

So it's between Biden and Buttigieg then. Both bang on 15%.

The others have overcooked things slightly. The people hate that kind of excess.

Wonder if the great states of Kansas and Missouri will be miffed with his latest gaffe

Pal Joey wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Iowa caucus tomorrow......To get any delegates you need to get 15%.....

Latest poll...

Sanders..28%
Warren...21%
Biden.....15%
Buttigieg.15%

Great poll for Warren because as she will get more 2nd round transfers than Sanders..

So it's between Biden and Buttigieg then. Both bang on 15%.

The others have overcooked things slightly. The people hate that kind of excess.

Depends how many 2nd round votes they get...Sanders has a problem as he has to win on the first ballot.

I see John Kerry is threatening to stand...Mr Vanilla..

Just what we need another candidate with experience of losing to an intellectually devoid racist..

BamBam wrote:Wonder if the great states of Kansas and Missouri will be miffed with his latest gaffe

What have I missed?

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

BamBam wrote:Wonder if the great states of Kansas and Missouri will be miffed with his latest gaffe

What have I missed?

He congratulated Kansas City Chiefs for bringing the Superbowl back to Kansas, when they play out of Missouri

Trump once remarked he could walk down Broadway and shoot someone and it wouldn't affect his popularity..

To a certain extent he is right....Like with Brexit and the flag wavers he has an infatuated base suffering from paucity of thought.

Rasmussen.....50% approval.
IBD...................44% approval.

Trump is going to take some beating still.

You have to beat him with ideas....Get in the gutter with this rabid dog and he is in his element..

He is on record as being most worried about Sanders because he would have to engage in debating ideas..

Let Sanders have a go.

Iowa have some how managed to screw up the results..

What we know is Buttigieg is claiming victory but last figures after 40% returns were..

Sanders 29%
Buttigieg 25%
Warren....21%
Biden.......13% (Disaster)

Buttigieg team perhaps knows the figures to come are in areas more in keeping with their cause..

Embarrassing for the Hawkeye state nevertheless.

Pelossi does make it oh so easy for Trump.

The way she sucks up her lip at times. I thought she was going to swallow herself.

Soul Requiem wrote:Pelossi does make it oh so easy for Trump.

He's still an utter dosser and a dwad (to coin Alan Partridge) though; Pelosi et al should make no difference, but that'll play to the ignorant. So will Iowa nonsense. It'll take a sea change to make US politics work again - give it a generation or two though, because the institutions themselves are broken. House and Senate show no signs of growing up, POTUS now effectively a monarch (how ironic that is), Supreme Court is utterly partisan, can't run for position w/o selling out to lobbyists/PACs etc etc.

A moment's silence, if you will, for the death of the US republican ideal....

navyblueshorts wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Pelossi does make it oh so easy for Trump.

He's still an utter dosser and a dwad (to coin Alan Partridge) though; Pelosi et al should make no difference, but that'll play to the ignorant. So will Iowa nonsense. It'll take a sea change to make US politics work again - give it a generation or two though, because the institutions themselves are broken. House and Senate show no signs of growing up, POTUS now effectively a monarch (how ironic that is), Supreme Court is utterly partisan, can't run for position w/o selling out to lobbyists/PACs etc etc.

A moment's silence, if you will, for the death of the US republican ideal....

Of course it makes a difference, if you have families who are now better off than they were before they'll stick with the status quo unless the opposition are offering a viable alternative something they are not, the childishness of the Democrats negates the childishness of Trump. I'd be abstaining from voting were I American a lot of the time.

Nancy saving shredder electricity expenses?  What a good planet-saving PC environmentalist she is.  That should get her party a handful more votes if her Propaganda people spin it the right way.

Meanwhile, if I were Trump's Propaganda people, I'd send, send and resend that typed speech to her office.... perhaps once every two days, all the way to the election.  
I'd make sure the President always had a copy to offer her if and when they ever met up for Oval Office meetings and such (televised - as Trump tends to do when he knows Nancy wants the cameras turned off )
I'd absolutely haunt her and her staff with printed copies of that speech.  I'd send copies to her home - or homes.  I'd try to get copies delivered to her in restaurants.  Reams and reams and reams - to assist tree planting industries.  
I'd force her to use the damn shredder.  After all, some democrats are experts at using shredders, and hammmering the crap out of phones required for evidence

navyblueshorts wrote:He's still an utter dosser and a dwad (to coin Alan Partridge) though

Fairplay to Trump for ignoring Pelosi's handshake...Perhaps with Americans struggling to make ends meet a little less Democratic game playing could be in order..

As the Iowa shambles shows the average American means nothing to Establishment Democrats..

The farce is designed to give Buttigieg victory lap after victory lap...Funnily enough the 62% precincts in are most favourable to him and his biggest donor is in charge of the results... Also overshadows Biden's lamentable 4th..

Two days now of claiming victory for Bill Clinton's love child.

Fix is in....

Soul Requiem wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Pelossi does make it oh so easy for Trump.

He's still an utter dosser and a dwad (to coin Alan Partridge) though; Pelosi et al should make no difference, but that'll play to the ignorant. So will Iowa nonsense. It'll take a sea change to make US politics work again - give it a generation or two though, because the institutions themselves are broken. House and Senate show no signs of growing up, POTUS now effectively a monarch (how ironic that is), Supreme Court is utterly partisan, can't run for position w/o selling out to lobbyists/PACs etc etc.

A moment's silence, if you will, for the death of the US republican ideal....

Of course it makes a difference, if you have families who are now better off than they were before they'll stick with the status quo unless the opposition are offering a viable alternative something they are not, the childishness of the Democrats negates the childishness of Trump. I'd be abstaining from voting were I American a lot of the time.

That isn't true. Doesn't matter how badly they are doing if you can convince them that change will make things worse they won't go for it. Likewise if you can convince them things won't get worse when change happens they'll find that an easier option to vote for. (At least that is what has seemed to happen closer to home)

Soul Requiem wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Pelossi does make it oh so easy for Trump.

He's still an utter dosser and a dwad (to coin Alan Partridge) though; Pelosi et al should make no difference, but that'll play to the ignorant. So will Iowa nonsense. It'll take a sea change to make US politics work again - give it a generation or two though, because the institutions themselves are broken. House and Senate show no signs of growing up, POTUS now effectively a monarch (how ironic that is), Supreme Court is utterly partisan, can't run for position w/o selling out to lobbyists/PACs etc etc.

A moment's silence, if you will, for the death of the US republican ideal....

Of course it makes a difference, if you have families who are now better off than they were before they'll stick with the status quo unless the opposition are offering a viable alternative something they are not, the childishness of the Democrats negates the childishness of Trump. I'd be abstaining from voting were I American a lot of the time.

Huh? You're talking about economy now - thought you were talking about Pelosi tearing up speech etc.

navyblueshorts wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Pelossi does make it oh so easy for Trump.

He's still an utter dosser and a dwad (to coin Alan Partridge) though; Pelosi et al should make no difference, but that'll play to the ignorant. So will Iowa nonsense. It'll take a sea change to make US politics work again - give it a generation or two though, because the institutions themselves are broken. House and Senate show no signs of growing up, POTUS now effectively a monarch (how ironic that is), Supreme Court is utterly partisan, can't run for position w/o selling out to lobbyists/PACs etc etc.

A moment's silence, if you will, for the death of the US republican ideal....

Of course it makes a difference, if you have families who are now better off than they were before they'll stick with the status quo unless the opposition are offering a viable alternative something they are not, the childishness of the Democrats negates the childishness of Trump. I'd be abstaining from voting were I American a lot of the time.

Huh? You're talking about economy now - thought you were talking about Pelosi tearing up speech etc.

It's all linked, politics isn't multiple strands of linear narrative.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fairplay to Trump for ignoring Pelosi's handshake¹...Perhaps with Americans struggling to make ends meet a little less Democratic game playing could be in order..

As the Iowa shambles shows the average American means nothing to Establishment Democrats..²

The farce is designed to give Buttigieg victory lap after victory lap...Funnily enough the 62% precincts in are most favourable to him and his biggest donor is in charge of the results... Also overshadows Biden's lamentable 4th..

Two days now of claiming victory for Bill Clinton's love child.

Fix is in....³

¹Bollox. His behaviour, in-character though it may be, is pathetic and led to what followed. Still, as an American yourself, you lap this schiesse up as 'normal'.
²Eh?
³Tin foil alert! Then again, all Americans seem to think alien abduction is commonplace, only occurs in the US and conspiracies are the norm.

Soul Requiem wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Pelossi does make it oh so easy for Trump.

He's still an utter dosser and a dwad (to coin Alan Partridge) though; Pelosi et al should make no difference, but that'll play to the ignorant. So will Iowa nonsense. It'll take a sea change to make US politics work again - give it a generation or two though, because the institutions themselves are broken. House and Senate show no signs of growing up, POTUS now effectively a monarch (how ironic that is), Supreme Court is utterly partisan, can't run for position w/o selling out to lobbyists/PACs etc etc.

A moment's silence, if you will, for the death of the US republican ideal....

Of course it makes a difference, if you have families who are now better off than they were before they'll stick with the status quo unless the opposition are offering a viable alternative something they are not, the childishness of the Democrats negates the childishness of Trump. I'd be abstaining from voting were I American a lot of the time.

Huh? You're talking about economy now - thought you were talking about Pelosi tearing up speech etc.

It's all linked, politics isn't multiple strands of linear narrative.

Rave on! To be clear, I was talking about Pelosi tearing up his speech; nothing more, nothing less. Your original comment didn't make clear that you were doing anything else. You can extrapolate as you will.

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fairplay to Trump for ignoring Pelosi's handshake¹...Perhaps with Americans struggling to make ends meet a little less Democratic game playing could be in order..

As the Iowa shambles shows the average American means nothing to Establishment Democrats..²

The farce is designed to give Buttigieg victory lap after victory lap...Funnily enough the 62% precincts in are most favourable to him and his biggest donor is in charge of the results... Also overshadows Biden's lamentable 4th..

Two days now of claiming victory for Bill Clinton's love child.

Fix is in....³

¹Bollox. His behaviour, in-character though it may be, is pathetic and led to what followed. Still, as an American yourself, you lap this schiesse up as 'normal'.
²Eh?
³Tin foil alert! Then again, all Americans seem to think alien abduction is commonplace, only occurs in the US and conspiracies are the norm.

The kind of cheap comment that says more about the sender than the recipient..

navyblueshorts wrote:
³Tin foil alert! Then again, all Americans seem to think alien abduction is commonplace, only occurs in the US and conspiracies are the norm.

Democratic Presidential Hopeful, Elizabeth Warren, admitted on camera in her own words that the last Democratic convention that selected Hillary Clinton over Sanders was - a - fix.

To believe there are no Serious Big Insider Political Fixes in American Politics, when news reports decade by decade proves their existence, is full blown tin foil hat syndrome.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fairplay to Trump for ignoring Pelosi's handshake¹...Perhaps with Americans struggling to make ends meet a little less Democratic game playing could be in order..

As the Iowa shambles shows the average American means nothing to Establishment Democrats..²

The farce is designed to give Buttigieg victory lap after victory lap...Funnily enough the 62% precincts in are most favourable to him and his biggest donor is in charge of the results... Also overshadows Biden's lamentable 4th..

Two days now of claiming victory for Bill Clinton's love child.

Fix is in....³

¹Bollox. His behaviour, in-character though it may be, is pathetic and led to what followed. Still, as an American yourself, you lap this schiesse up as 'normal'.
²Eh?
³Tin foil alert! Then again, all Americans seem to think alien abduction is commonplace, only occurs in the US and conspiracies are the norm.

The kind of cheap comment that says more about the sender than the recipient..

You never fail to disappoint do you?

SecretFly wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:
³Tin foil alert! Then again, all Americans seem to think alien abduction is commonplace, only occurs in the US and conspiracies are the norm.

Democratic Presidential Hopeful, Elizabeth Warren, admitted on camera in her own words that the last Democratic convention that selected Hillary Clinton over Sanders was - a - fix.

To believe there are no Serious Big Insider Political Fixes in American Politics, when news reports decade by decade proves their existence, is full blown tin foil hat syndrome.

So? 'Twas ever thus and engineering a choice (presumably via discussions?) of candidate at their Convention is somewhat different from implying that voting in Iowa caucasus was rigged to return Buttigieg(sp?) as winner there.

US Unemployment is still at a 50 year low... Economy is still growing at a respectable rate....

For any normal President it would be a good CV to take into a WH race but chances are he spends his time getting personal instead....Messaging is hugely important and Trump the twonk sprays the lawn too much...The Tories at GE19 were very on message.. even if the message was disingenuous Bollox.

With Gallup Trump is at 49% approval his highest for a while..He will win if that rating sustains...

Democrats need to sort themselves out....Iowa is a godsend for a President that claims the Dems couldn't run a bath.

navyblueshorts wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:
³Tin foil alert! Then again, all Americans seem to think alien abduction is commonplace, only occurs in the US and conspiracies are the norm.

Democratic Presidential Hopeful, Elizabeth Warren, admitted on camera in her own words that the last Democratic convention that selected Hillary Clinton over Sanders was - a - fix.

To believe there are no Serious Big Insider Political Fixes in American Politics, when news reports decade by decade proves their existence, is full blown tin foil hat syndrome.

So? 'Twas ever thus and engineering a choice (presumably via discussions?) of candidate at their Convention is somewhat different from implying that voting in Iowa caucasus was rigged to return Buttigieg(sp?) as winner there.

It's the same thing! Vote rigging to achieve a certain approved result. It's the same damn thing. People, organisations and systems aren't as morally pristine as you seem to imply. Corruption happens. In all walks of life, corruption happens. In the judiciary, in the police, in medicine, in car production, in the airline industry, in journalism and certainly in politics.
Voting systems are how people get elected. If they can be manipulated, there are individuals and organisations and big money that will certainly try to. Of this there is also ample evidence through the decades.

97% of precincts in Iowa in......

Buttigieg 26.2%
Sanders..26.1%

Unfortunately some precincts investigated as the Sanders team totals don't match with the official ones....

Shock horror...

This Iowa caucus seems to have got Russian interference bug too.
It will be interesting to see how the NH primary pans out and whether the Dems persevere with that app. Not much time left to iron out the problems.

Trump wins vote.......Pelosi being called on to resign.....Chuck in the Iowa disaster...

Trump as expected looking more competent after the game show..

Beat Trump on ideas...Like most slimy New York businessmen when it comes to shenanigans they wrote the book..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Trump wins vote.......Pelosi being called on to resign.....Chuck in the Iowa disaster...

Chuck has been heavily involved in most Democratic disasters.
At this point, any idea he's championed to damage the President has only made Trump stronger. If I didn't know better I'd suspect both Chuck and Nancy are both Republican sleeper agents playing an absolute blinder behind enemy lines.

I know the Establishment Dems are getting behind Buttigieg out of concern the Bernie Express is motoring..I can understand it..

However some of his decisions as Mayor has put his approvals amongst black people at worrying levels..

Bottom line is if you can't get out the black vote in places like Detroit you aren't winning the Election.

The guy is a gift to the big Orange..

Bernie might be better in the long run for the U.S. At least if he got the nomination, Trump would have to debate some really different ideas and even if he won a second term (he would vs. Bernie I think), it might, just might, make many Americans think there's more to life than $$$$.

Some of Mike Bloomberg's ads / videos have been excellent, and I've heard he's the one who really pushes Trump's buttons - partly because he's because he's considerably richer than him.

Bloomberg has also committed to supporting the campaign of whoever does win the nomination if it isn't him, and he has serious money to throw at it.

Bring it on Bloomberg. Richie Rich v Wealthy Wankr.

Well yeah, it might beat even the box office appeal of Wealthy Wankr v Loaded Leftie.