2021-22 England v India Tipping Competition - The Reboot

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2021 India v England Tipping Competition Rules:

1.
Pick 2 (two) batsmen and 2 (two) bowlers from both England and India whom you think will score the most runs and take the most wickets.
You get both batting and bowling points per innings so a bowler who scores runs has both batting and bowling scores added together.
e.g.
Crawley, Root, Broad, Anderson
Gill, Kohli, Jadeja, Bumrah

2.
Pick 1 (one) fielder from each team; excluding wicket keepers for most catches and run outs in the Series.
It can be a bowler (for caught & bowled or run outs from own bowling) if you want.
e.g.
Bairstow, Pujara

3.
Select which wicket keeper will take the greatest number of catches, stumpings and run outs combined for each Test.
If a wicket keeper is injured then the replacement keeper's figures shall be used.
e.g.
Billings or Pant... or "the same" amount of dismissals.

4.
Predict the Toss:
a) Who wins the toss?
e.g.
India

b) Winning captain's decision - bat or field?
e.g.
Bat

5.
a) Predict the Test match result.
e.g.
England

Selections must be posted a minimum one (1) hour before the commencement of each Test. No PM reminders shall be sent.


Scoring:

1.
1 point for every run scored by your nominated batsmen. Add together for each Test.
Bonus 25 points for 100 runs.
extra 30 points for 150 runs.
extra 45 points for 200 runs.
extra 60 points for 250 runs.
extra 125 bonus points for 300+ runs.

Note: the batting & bowling score bonuses accumulate so;

Batting: (per innings)
100 runs = 125 points. A player scores 137 runs + 25 = 162 points.
150 runs = 205 points. A player scores 177 runs + 25 + 30 = 232 points.
200 runs = 300 points. A player scores 243 runs + 25 + 30 + 45 = 343 points.
250 runs = 410 points. A player scores 282 runs + 25 + 30 + 45 + 60 = 442 points
300+ runs = 585 points. A player scores 321 runs + 25 + 30 + 45 + 60 + 125 = 606 points.

Bowling: (per innings)
25 points per wicket with a bonus 50 points for a 5-fer.
An extra 30 points for 6-fer, 45 for 7-fer, 60 for 8-fer, 75 for 9-fer.
An extra 100 bonus points for a 10-fer.

5 wickets = 125 points + 50 = 175 points
6 wickets = 150 points + 50 + 30 = 230 points.
7 wickets = 175 points + 50 + 30 + 45 = 300 points
8 wickets = 200 points + 50 + 30 + 45 + 60 = 385 points
9 wickets = 225 points + 50 + 30 + 45 + 60 + 75 = 485 points
10 wickets = 250 points + 50 + 30 + 45 + 60 + 75 + 100 = 610 points

Caught and bowled = 25 points for the wicket + 25 bonus points for the catch = 50 points.

2.
Fielder catches: Your nominated fieldsman earns you 25 points per catch and 25 points for a run out.

3.
Wicket keepers: 50 points for correct selection. e.g. - Billings or Pant.
Or if you think they will take the same number of total dismissals per innings - then nominate "the same" = 50 points.
If they take the same number of catches and stumpings (combined) and you've picked either one of the keepers - then 25 points only.

4.
a) Correctly predict who wins the toss = 15 points
b) Correctly predict what the winning Captain decides to do = 15 points - only for those with part a) above correct; no points if your a) was incorrect.

5.
a) Correctly predict the winning team for each Test match = 75 points.
b) If you guess all 5 Test match outcomes correctly then there is a further 125 point bonus = 375 + 125 = 500 points.
Note: Correctly predict a "Draw" = 75 points

If one (or more) of your selected players gets injured during a match or is dropped from the Test side after a match, then you’ll have the opportunity to select replacement players – either as it happens - for the injured player or before the next Test commences (for a player who gets dropped).
It doesn’t have to be the actual substitute player – it can be somebody else already in the team. However, you don’t receive any of their previous points up until the point of the replacement of the injured player from the field – you must start accumulating points from scratch with them.

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August 4-8: 1st Test at Trent Bridge Drawn match (0-0)

August 12-16: 2nd Test at Lord's India won by 151 runs (0-1)

August 25-29: 3rd Test at Headingley England won by an innings and 76 runs (1-1)

September 2-6: 4th Test at The Oval India won by 157 runs (1-2)

July 1-5, 2022: 5th Test at Edgbaston England won 7 wickets (2-2)


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Good Luck!

KP_fan wrote:It is more difficult to stay on top than to get there.

Mia Hamm

My mind games worked.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:I'll have the same picks as last test, Pee Jay.

I'll just change the result from England win to 'No result'.

Who do you think will win the toss, Tino? Didn't get your picks for that last time. Also the decision.

Root / Pope / Robinson / Anderson - Kohli / Pant / Thakur / Siraj - Root / KL Rahul - Buttler (for Bairstow I presume) - ?/? - Draw

Cheers Alfie and KP_Fan.

JDizzle wrote:

KP_fan wrote:It is more difficult to stay on top than to get there.

Mia Hamm

My mind games worked.

Necessitas non habet legem. Necessity knows no law.

JDizzle wrote:

KP_fan wrote:It is more difficult to stay on top than to get there.

Mia Hamm

My mind games worked.

Here one player has decided to on his own award himself a gold medal

Congrats JD : pretty comprehensive win

And thanks for running , PJ . Can we look forward to another such for the Ashes tour ?

alfie wrote:Congrats JD : pretty comprehensive win  

And thanks for running , PJ .  Can we look forward to another such for the Ashes tour ?

First things first, Alfie.... (ha ha just kidding)    

Of course I'll do the Ashes. This is just the warm up for me.

Why, do you want to put those selections in now? Maybe wait until we know who's playing...  

Malan, Root, Woakes, Anderson (Robinson)
Rohit, Kohli, Thakur, Ashwin (Jadeja, Yadav)

Ali, Kohli

Buttler

England, bat

India

Pal Joey wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:I'll have the same picks as last test, Pee Jay.

I'll just change the result from England win to 'No result'.

Who do you think will win the toss, Tino? Didn't get your picks for that last time. Also the decision.

Root / Pope / Robinson / Anderson - Kohli / Pant / Thakur / Siraj - Root / KL Rahul - Buttler (for Bairstow I presume) - ?/? - Draw

It was a joke given the news this morning, champ.

I'm wasted on you lot.

Pal Joey wrote:

alfie wrote:Congrats JD : pretty comprehensive win  

And thanks for running , PJ .  Can we look forward to another such for the Ashes tour ?

First things first, Alfie.... (ha ha just kidding)    

Of course I'll do the Ashes. This is just the warm up for me.

Why, do you want to put those selections in now? Maybe wait until we know who's playing...  

First Test (Alice Springs ?) Root Hameed Smith Labuschagne....

OK I'll wait ...

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:I'll have the same picks as last test, Pee Jay.

I'll just change the result from England win to 'No result'.

Who do you think will win the toss, Tino? Didn't get your picks for that last time. Also the decision.

Root / Pope / Robinson / Anderson - Kohli / Pant / Thakur / Siraj - Root / KL Rahul - Buttler (for Bairstow I presume) - ?/? - Draw

It was a joke given the news this morning, champ.

I'm wasted on you lot.

Oh dear... just read the news. So you won, Tino. The prank that is.

Congratulations JDizzle!

I guess that means an early night, Alfie?

What are your tips for Melbourne v Geelong and Port v Bulldogs?
Would love to see the Demons get into a GF and win for the first time in 57 years. Port Adelaide maybe over WB at home?

alfie wrote:Congrats JD : pretty comprehensive win  

And thanks for running , PJ .  Can we look forward to another such for the Ashes tour ?

Thanks Alfie. Even a stopped clock etc.

And thanks PJ. I still have no idea how the scoring system works - just that it seems hard to keep on top of! Superb job.

Seeing as my Tigers are long gone I will be offering my support to the long suffering Demons (maybe to beat Port in the GF although I'd be happy to see Bulldogs make it into the decider). I have family members who somehow married out of the official religion and hence gave birth to Melbourne fans so sort of have to give them the nod

Also some old work colleagues. Even ones getting close to my age haven't seen a Melbourne flag in their lifetimes so I reckon it is about their turn !

JDizzle wrote:

alfie wrote:Congrats JD : pretty comprehensive win  

And thanks for running , PJ .  Can we look forward to another such for the Ashes tour ?

Thanks Alfie. Even a stopped clock etc.

And thanks PJ. I still have no idea how the scoring system works - just that it seems hard to keep on top of! Superb job.

Thank you both. I'm still a bit shocked at this morning's unfolding events. The book launch story in the Daily Fail; not the match thread comments... but I can see the emotions are really rising to the surface on there. Feel sorry for both teams and the fans of course. And us.

It was still great fun running the comp. Congrats again JD!

Alfie, you're still leading the All-Time competition by a healthy margin... so you can rest easy until the next one. Enjoy the footy!
Interesting family connections from the other side of the Yarra.  C'est la vie!

My team is also playing tonight in that other code... against your Purple Plunderers!  
Hope it's not a blow out score but at least both teams will have a second chance.

Joey - many thanks for a great competition which even KP-f overplaying the Pantomime Villain couldn't spoil.

JD - fully deserved win. Well done!

Now, Joey, you've got me down for Starc and Cummins, yes?

guildfordbat wrote:Joey - many thanks for a great competition which even KP-f overplaying the Pantomime Villain couldn't spoil.

JD - fully deserved win. Well done!

Now, Joey, you've got me down for Starc and Cummins, yes?

Of course. Do you want The Labrador and The Other Smith too?

Thanks Guildford. A pleasure to score for you as always.

Joey top work through the summer with this - one day, one day I shall defeat the titans of the game like Alfie and JDizzle, but for now that must wait and I congratulate our winners again.

Looking forward to the next installment

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Joey top work through the summer with this - one day, one day I shall defeat the titans of the game like Alfie and JDizzle, but for now that must wait and I congratulate our winners again.

Looking forward to the next installment

Thanks heaps Olly. I'm sure you're just giving those guys some rope and you'll haul them in soon.
The big one coming up down here. You'd probably enjoy the true playing conditions. Any chance you'll succeed Buttler and Bairstow one day?

Pal Joey wrote:

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Joey top work through the summer with this - one day, one day I shall defeat the titans of the game like Alfie and JDizzle, but for now that must wait and I congratulate our winners again.

Looking forward to the next installment

Thanks heaps Olly. I'm sure you're just giving those guys some rope and you'll haul them in soon.
The big one coming up down here. You'd probably enjoy the true playing conditions. Any chance you'll succeed Buttler and Bairstow one day?

I'd definitely enjoy the playing conditions - a well trodden joke at our club that you could place all 9 outfielders and the keeper behind square for me and I'd still not score in front very often

August 4-8: 1st Test at Trent Bridge Drawn match (0-0)

August 12-16: 2nd Test at Lord's India won by 151 runs (0-1)

August 25-29: 3rd Test at Headingley England won by an innings and 76 runs (1-1)

September 2-6: 4th Test at The Oval India won by 157 runs (1-2)

July 1-5, 2022: 5th Test at Edgbaston

Points Table
4th Test, The Oval, Day 5:

3877 JDizzle [244] #
3616 KP_Fan [236] #
3511 Duty [181]
3496 James [247] #
3410 King Carlos [115]  
3298 Pal Joey [249] #
3283 Olly [263] #
3220 Guildfordbat [156]
3052 Wadey [159]
3001 Alfie [119]
2910 Soul Requiem [133]
2693 Tino [115]
2500 Lowlandbrit [122]

Average score: 3221 [180]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

# India win = 75 points
* Most dismissals = 25 points (shared)
(Buttler: 5 caught behinds; Pant: 3 caught behinds, 2 run outs)


Overall Team Scores after the Fourth Test at The Oval are as follows:
[Scores for 4th Test in brackets]

England:
3788 [978] - average player score 344.40 [88.90]

India:
3820 [1165] - average player score 347.30 [105.90]


Top 11 Individual Player Scores: First figure - accumulative score over the series.
[Scores for 4th Test in brackets]

749 Root [87]
525 Robinson [115]
472 Bumrah [104]
423 Rohit [183]
370 Rahul [73]
339 Anderson [43]
326 Pant [109]
314 Siraj [24]
305 Shami [--]
300 Jadeja [107]
282 Thakur [202]

Followed by: Kohli 278 [104], Ali 273 [135], Bairstow 264 [87], Overton 233 [71], Pujara 227 [65], Woakes 218 [218], Burns 213 [65]

Thought I'd better get this one up and running again.

I'm not sure of the final team selections apart from what I've read from Olly and Duty on the "England's Summer of Cricket 2022 as Joe Root steps down" thread.

If anyone has the team lists then I'd appreciate if you post it below.

May as well go for it now...

Root, Bairstow, Leach, Anderson (Broad)
Iyer, Pant, Shardul, Ashwin (Jadeja, Bumrah)

Root, Kohli

Indian wicket keeper

England, bat

England

Good to see I'm doing better in this one, but no one's going to catch JDizzle at the top.

England's team is this: Zak Crawley, Alex Lees, Ollie Pope, Joe Root, Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes (c), Sam Billings (wk), Matthew Potts, Stuart Broad, Jack Leach, James Anderson. [7 changes from the last test v India

India presumably not naming theirs till the toss tomorrow.

I will go for:

Root and Pope; Anderson and Potts.
Kohli and Pant; Ashwin and Bumrah.

England's keeper to take most catches.

Root and Kohli in the field.

England win the toss and bat.

India win.

Have you turned that table upside in the last year, Pee Jay.

Root & YJB / Kohli & Jadeja (Pujara and Pant in reserve)

Potts & Broad / Siraj & Bumrah (Shami and Jadeja in reserve)

YJB & Kohli

Billings

England win toss and bat

England

(can we just be clear how many additional points alfie gets once it's all over?)

Root, Stokes, Potts, Anderson
Kohli, Pant, Bumrah, Siraj

Crawley and Pujara

Pant

India win the toss and bat

India win

Pal Joey wrote:Thought I'd better get this one up and running again.

I'm not sure of the final team selections apart from what I've read from Olly and Duty on the "England's Summer of Cricket 2022 as Joe Root steps down" thread.

If anyone has the team lists then I'd appreciate if you post it below.

I thought this tipping competition and the series was done ....
But here we are Ind have to come out of cold to face a red hot Eng....tough ask
Good of you PJ to revive this though

My pick

Root, Billing
Stokes, Broad

Pant, Jadeja
Bumrah, Shardul


WK Pant

Eng win the toss and Put India in to bat

India win

Thanks for the England team list, Duty.  

Tino, is that a question or a statement? Where's Jules when you need him!?

I see alfie is 876 points in arrears of JD... so an extra 125 points won't hurt, will it?

I've just sent PM's to everyone... including KP_fan and Wadey101, who we haven't seen for a while. I hope they're both he's OK.

I knew you'd come out of the woodwork KP_fan. Great to see you back!

Just need your 2 catchers

Ooh, hadn't realised this would be back up and running!

1.
Root, Stokes, Anderson, Broad
Kohli, Rohit (Iyer if Rohit's out, Pant if Iyer isn't selected either), Bumrah, Jadeja

2.
Root, Kohli

3.
Billings

4.
India, bat

5.
England win

Re: the India side, it's less certain but

Gill
Agarwal/Pujara
Vihari/Pujara
Kohli
Iyer/Vihari
Pant
Jadeja
Ashwin/Shardul
Umesh/Siraj
Shami
Bumrah

(thats's assuming Rohit isn't fit)

James100 wrote:Re: the India side, it's less certain but

Gill
Agarwal/Pujara
Vihari/Pujara
Kohli
Iyer/Vihari
Pant
Jadeja
Ashwin/Shardul
Umesh/Siraj
Shami
Bumrah

(thats's assuming Rohit isn't fit)

Thanks James.

Yeah... still a few options there. The warm up match v Leics? was difficult to assess current form of the likely selections. Scores all over the place but I guess they'll have a firmer idea tomorrow... just before the toss I'd presume.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:Have you turned that table upside in the last year, Pee Jay.

Root & YJB / Kohli & Jadeja (Pujara and Pant in reserve)

Potts & Broad / Siraj & Bumrah (Shami and Jadeja in reserve)

YJB & Kohli

Billings

England win toss and bat

England

(can we just be clear how many additional points alfie gets once it's all over?)

Don't worry Tino : my ambitions in this one are basically limited to staying off the bottom of the table ... though I guess that does mean contriving to stay ahead of you

Which I guess I could achieve by duplicating your picks

Not going to stoop so low ; but as great minds are said to think alike I think my actual selections will be fairly similar to yours...

Despite Joey’s lavish praise for the NZ series, I’ve been found out here.

Anyway, here goes:
1. Root, Stokes, (Pope), Anderson, Leach (Broad)
Kohli, Pujara, (Gill), Ashwin, Jadeja (Bumrah).

2. Stokes, Kohli.

3. Pant.

4. England win toss and bat.

5. England win.

Crawley, Root, Anderson, Potts
Pujara, Pant (Vihari, Sharma), Shami, Bumrah (Jadeja, Siraj)

Crawley, Kohli

Billings

IND bat

Draw

alfie wrote:

Not going to stoop so low ; but as great minds are said to think alike I think my actual selections will be fairly similar to yours...

Great minds think alike, or fools never differ? Leave it up to you to decide which is more appropriate, alfie!

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

alfie wrote:

Not going to stoop so low ; but as great minds are said to think alike I think my actual selections will be fairly similar to yours...

Great minds think alike, or fools never differ? Leave it up to you to decide which is more appropriate, alfie!

Judging by our scores in this particular edition , perhaps the latter fits better !

Anyway :

Root Stokes Anderson Potts
Iyer Pant Jadeja Bumrah (reserves Pujara and Siraj)

Catchers Bairstow and Kohli

Billings

England to win toss and bat

England win.

Batters - Root and Bairstow, Pant and Jadeja

Bowlers - Anderson and Stokes, Ashwin and Bumrah

Catchers - Stokes and Pujara

Keeper - Pant

Toss - England, bat

Result - England win

Hedging my bets on all rounders.

Root, Stokes, Anderson, Potts
Agarwal, Pujara, Bumrah, Ashwin

Bairstow and Agarwal

Billings

England bat

England

Root, Stokes, Anderson, Potts
Kohl, Pant, Bumrah, Thakur

Kohli, Root

Billings

Eng to bowl + win


Cheers PJ!

Hi PJ
I forgot the catchers in my selection

I nominate Crawley and Kohli as catchers

Cheers JD.

We're all in except for Wadey.


I'll swap Anderson for Broad and Iyer for Vihari. The rest as is... subject to final teams.  

Pal Joey wrote:

Root, Bairstow, Leach, Anderson Broad
Iyer Vihari, Pant, Shardul, Ashwin (Jadeja, Bumrah)

Root, Kohli

Indian wicket keeper

England, bat

England

I'll take Shami instead of Ashwin. Ta.

Soul Requiem wrote:Root, Stokes, Anderson, Potts
Agarwal, Pujara, Bumrah, Ashwin

Bairstow and Agarwal

Billings

England bat

England

Looking at the teams i'll make a few changes

Vihari, Pant and Shami for Agarwal, Pujara and Ashwin

Cheers Duty and Soul.

... and Jadeja for Ashwin for me.

king_carlos wrote:Batters - Root and Bairstow, Pant and Jadeja

Bowlers - Anderson and Stokes, Ashwin and Bumrah

Catchers - Stokes and Pujara

Keeper - Pant

Toss - England, bat

Result - England win

Hedging my bets on all rounders.

KC, please let me know your replacement for Ashwin.

Shardul please Peej!

two Crawley catches so far - absolutely love to see it

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:two Crawley catches so far - absolutely love to see it

Yes Olly, you, Lowland and KP_fan picked that one well. KP and JD also went for England sending India into bat.

Points Table
5th Test, Edgbaston, Day 1:

4285 JDizzle [408] *#
4046 KP_Fan [430] *#
3868 Duty [357] *
3815 King Carlos [405] *
3730 James [234]
3715 Olly [432]
3623 Pal Joey [325] *
3477 Guildfordbat [257] *
3470 Alfie [469] *
3301 Soul Requiem [391] *
2909 Lowlandbrit [409]
2887 Tino [194] *


* denotes correct pick England win toss
# denotes correct pick England elected to bowl/field

Average score: 3560 [340]

First figure - accumulative score / accumulative average score
Second figure in [brackets] - daily score / daily average

Cheers, Joey. Seems to have been a high scoring day with Alfie certainly leading the way!

Nice to "win" a day ... but I am so far down the table it feels a little like a "consolation try " in the eightieth minute when down 35-3