Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Will Alec Baldwin go to jail for the manslaughter of that lady on the filmset under American law or is it considered an industrial accident?

Doesnt seem like he's in trouble just yet. How do you kill someone with a prop gun that fires blanks?

Edit: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/prop-gun-using-blanks-still-052227936.html

"As for the question of criminal responsibility, that’s for law enforcement to investigate. But it must be noted that in the vast majority of cases, the person who pulled the trigger wasn’t remotely at fault. They were handed a prop and assured it would function normally — and it didn’t."

Guns dont kill people, rappers do.

[JAS]

Agree Mac even today several Labour shadow ministers on the box and none have any real impact
.Still talk about momentum and a new group which would be a disaster for them

Lets be honest about who exactly it would be a disaster for Dyna...
For any of the politicians be they Centrists or Momentumites...personal disaster for them? No, they would carry on their factional battle for the soul of the working class without batting an eyelid and without listening to what the working class were actually saying.
For the Labour party? yep it would probably spell the end of it as an electoral force capable of winning an overall majority on it's own.
For ordinary working people not in the top 5% of earners? Yep complete unmitigated disaster as they'd be subjected to decades of the whims of an unchallenged bunch of greedy elitists screwing ordinary working  people over to whilst they bulged their Cayman Islands & Panama based tax free offshore accounts. There would be no such thing as society, the bodies would pile high as the NHS disintegrated to fund lower taxes for the top table, state education would basically stop producing enough adults educated to a decent enough level to make anything better, life would basically be sucked out of individuals and society and the vast majority would be battling to merely exist, not actually live, life expectancy would drop. Meanwhile, the top 1% would thrive enormously like they have done for the past few decades, the next 3-7% would also thrive and be held up as shining examples of what can be achieved with hard work (and luck). THAT would be the reality of Her Majesty's opposition imploding and of course all the ills visited on the masses would all be the fault of an ineffective opposition because in a virtual one party state you can control the media as well, game set and bloody match...huzzar!!.

[dynamark]

Blimey JAS you are a pile of fun mate.Last one out turn the lights off.
One of the great things about this forum is that none of us really know each others background but being interested in golf kinda shows a certain mindset and maybe a bit of effort to enjoy a quite difficult sport.So why be so pessemistic? Is that a word?

[Duty281]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-60174037

Patient zero of cancel culture revealed - Don Revie.

[beninho]

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1487083783757213701?t=MrjCxzMhEL2KKgmAiv-YUQ&s=19

This is brilliant

[super_realist]

Blimey JAS you are a pile of fun mate.Last one out turn the lights off.
One of the great things about this forum is that none of us really know each others background but being interested in golf kinda shows a certain mindset and maybe a bit of effort to enjoy a quite difficult sport.So why be so pessemistic? Is that a word?

Dont worry about JAS, hes just some trade unionist relic from the 1970's who thinks that anyone who has a decent job is a traitor and that the only good people are those on the left.

[JuliusHMarx]

As opposed to a middle Englander relic who still dreams of Empire and tea on the lawn, and who fears that the increasing irrelevancy of the UK on the world stage mirrors his own increasing irrelevancy in life.

[dynamark]

Brilliant the middle englander who lives in scotland.
Dont let the politics bother you or your life work hard play hard enjoy it because its the only chance you will get

[JuliusHMarx]

As someone once wrote of Middle England - "We know everything about it except where it is".
It is more set of beliefs than a location.

[JAS]

Blimey JAS you are a pile of fun mate.Last one out turn the lights off.
One of the great things about this forum is that none of us really know each others background but being interested in golf kinda shows a certain mindset and maybe a bit of effort to enjoy a quite difficult sport.So why be so pessemistic? Is that a word?

Dont worry about JAS, hes just some trade unionist relic from the 1970's who thinks that anyone who has a decent job is a traitor and that the only good people are those on the left.

1. Correct not to worry
2. Wrong, I never started work until 1979, never joined what was then the AUEW until 1982, stopped my subscription when I moved into an IT role in 1986
3. Made up Poopie, I have a decent job as do most people I know, correct me if I’m wrong here but traitors are people who wilfully damage or seek to damage a nation state, I class powerful tax evaders as traitors as an example, I also think people in powerful position that allow Russian money to launder through the city of London are traitors, what do you think?
4. Lots of Frak on left and right as there are good people on both sides. Never once in any of my postings will you ever have seen me say Left are all good right are all bad. Davidson for example is someone on the right who I believe to be a good politician who would absolutely do her best for everyone if she could. So…stop making Poopie up.

In summary you’ve just proved Dynas point, none of us really know each other’s background.
Dyna, I prefer realism to pessimism (funnily enough that’s a frequent on course mental thought process as well) I see so many rounds ruined by pessimism!! ;-)

[super_realist]

Russian money? Where did that come statement come from.
You're well travelled JAS. You must have noticed the russian influence in every major city in Europe regardless of the government in charge of those countries.

Sometimes i think you'd benefit from not just looking at your own goldfish bowl, compare and contrast it to other places in the world and youll see a lot of similarities which are not contingent on the same type on governments in those countries.
It seems that everything you see as bad in society can simply be scapegoated to any political party in government you dont like.

Things are bad for the lowest in society regardless of who governs

[JAS]

Russian money? Where did that come statement come from.
You're well travelled JAS. You must have noticed the russian influence in every major city in Europe regardless of the government in charge of those countries.

Sometimes i think you'd benefit from not just looking at your own goldfish bowl, compare and contrast it to other places in the world and youll see a lot of similarities which are not contingent on the same type on governments in those countries.

Where it came from is that I was giving an example of the kind of thing I consider to be traitorous to counter your absolutely bonkers assertion that "I think everyone who has a decent job is a traitor."..that honestly is Primary school debating at its finest ffs. Yes there's Russian money corrupting other nations around the world (Cyprus is another good example - but just for clarity, I know the problem isn't exclusive to just the UK and Cyprus) The UK though and London in particular with it's position as one of the main financial centres of the world SHOULD be doing more to eradicate it.

It seems that everything you see as bad in society can simply be scapegoated to any political party in government you dont like.

If one sees something as bad in society what's the issue in saying so? Should I be a suck up and say "oh everything is fine la de dah de dah!!"

Things are bad for the lowest in society regardless of who governs

Well yes Captain obvious, the problem is we should be concerned about how big a pool the "lowest" is becoming...and I've been saying this since before the turn of the year, come April the majority of people in this country are going to be significantly struggling much more than they are now. The unaware are (unsurprisingly) unaware of the juggerrnaught that's about to hit them, in other words the lowest in society are about to get a lot more company. Teresa Mays "just about managing" are about to become..."Poopie we cant manage"

[beninho]

The government are in a pickle, johnsons ratings are pretty low. So, they've decided to throw dome brexit stuff in the mix, like a band playing the old hits in the hope people will forget tge dross of the later albums.

[JAS]

The government are in a pickle, johnsons ratings are pretty low. So, they've decided to throw dome brexit stuff in the mix, like a band playing the old hits in the hope people will forget tge dross of the later albums.

But playing your old hits with broken guitar strings, blown speakers etc.

[JAS]

Hail to the wonders of across the board privatisation of the energy industry, a jewel in the capitalist crown…when it’s all going well. What about when it it isn’t? Well 2 choices really,
1 let the majority of the population be financially squeezed past the point of no return into the poverty trap OR
2 have a bit of state interventionism (give ‘em enough time they’ll think of a non Socialist sounding term for it) to save the day.

Ain’t it funny when a crisis gets so big and causes so much carnage, Socialist policies are required to get things back on track??
…and yet the very thought of Socialism fills many with such dread and others with such vitriolic disdain.

[Duty281]

"Socialist policies are required to get things back on track??"

No, failed socialist policies are absolutely not required, thanks.

What is needed is to scrap the 5% VAT entirely (can be done now the UK's out of the EU), make the energy price cap more flexible, stop the green levies, re-open coal plants, and get investing in nuclear power as a long-term strategy.

What has caused this problem isn't remotely a failure of privatisation, it's a problem of increasing global usage of gas which has substantially lowered supplies and pushed up prices globally, exacerbated by geopolitical problems. Also the UK's nonsensical fanaticism with wind power, predictably, back fired when there wasn't much of the stuff in recent months, and closing perfectly good coal plants in a pursuit of environmental goodness has also had similarly predictable effects on energy prices.

[BlueCoverman]

My wife and daughter both tested positive this morning. I'm negative at the moment...

I've got Covid as well now. Feel as rough as old boots, just glad I've been triple jabbed

Day 7 and still testing positive  

[JAS]

"Socialist policies are required to get things back on track??"

No, failed socialist policies are absolutely not required, thanks.

What is needed is to scrap the 5% VAT entirely (can be done now the UK's out of the EU), make the energy price cap more flexible, stop the green levies, re-open coal plants, and get investing in nuclear power as a long-term strategy.

What has caused this problem isn't remotely a failure of privatisation, it's a problem of increasing global usage of gas which has substantially lowered supplies and pushed up prices globally, exacerbated by geopolitical problems. Also the UK's nonsensical fanaticism with wind power, predictably, back fired when there wasn't much of the stuff in recent months, and closing perfectly good coal plants in a pursuit of environmental goodness has also had similarly predictable effects on energy prices.

I was talking in general terms about what many (like you’ve just illustrated) think as Socialist evils are actually what is required sometimes E.g.
1. Immediately post war when govt debt was 264% of GDP it was a socialist program of spending and investment in things like the welfare state that helped rebuild the country and society.
2. After capitalists trashed the world economy in 2008 it took state bailouts to save the banking system
3. A global pandemic threatens to trash our economic fabric it was again state intervention that kept many economies afloat

You’d have to be very very blind not to recognise that what are generally perceived as evils of Socialism are actually helpful.

Also no matter which way you cut it, a privatised energy market IS deeply implicated in the current and upcoming energy price mess.

[Duty281]

Also no matter which way you cut it, a privatised energy market IS deeply implicated in the current and upcoming energy price mess.

How so? And how would a nationalised energy industry fare better with this issue?

[beninho]

Johnson went full on trump conspiracy nut job yesterday then, spouting nonsense about Saville. Who was a big tory anyway with friends in the party. Then sone stuff about drugs on the labour front bench...not sure if party boy Gove was around at that point.

[JAS]

Also no matter which way you cut it, a privatised energy market IS deeply implicated in the current and upcoming energy price mess.

How so? And how would a nationalised energy industry fare better with this issue?

In simple terms in a state owned scenario govt naturally has more control over the end price to consumers. Obviously it’s a lot more complicated that that. I wouldn’t trust this current mob to put consumers first but that’s just me and that’s all hypothetical.

The fact is though is that we’ve been a producer for decades although our capacity is now dwindling (whilst usage is going up both domestically and internationally) obviously that’s going to have a negative impact on prices. Whilst many other nations have harnessed their energy prosperity for the good of the country, we have frittered a significant proportion away to shareholders. Our energy infrastructure is barely fit for purpose. We struggle to implement innovative actions that would conserve energy because in our fragmented market there is little by way of collaboration (why would there be in a competitive market)

[JAS]

Meanwhile, I'm waiting with baited breath for Super's assessment of Transfer window activity....let me take a guess...
"The Welsh injury prone has been must be off his rocker to sign for one of the ugly sisters. Rangers are bonkers thinking this would be a good move. He'll be glad to get out at the end of his loan"

Something like that?

[dynamark]

Re energy I think I am correct in saying just 5% of our elec production relies on gas to generate(usually when the wind isnt blowing).The problem comes with gas heating of homes and factories which are obviously badly affected. We have to keep going with electric heating which we should soon be able to say we are well on top of.Im moving house next friday and seriously thinking about ditching the gas boiler in the new place,
I have a good mate who was at British gas for his 30 year career eventually head of gas purchasing and he doesnt paint a very good picture of its efficiency and operation as a nationalised industry.

[Duty281]

Also no matter which way you cut it, a privatised energy market IS deeply implicated in the current and upcoming energy price mess.

How so? And how would a nationalised energy industry fare better with this issue?

In simple terms in a state owned scenario govt naturally has more control over the end price to consumers. Obviously it’s a lot more complicated that that. I wouldn’t trust this current mob to put consumers first but that’s just me and that’s all hypothetical.

The fact is though is that we’ve been a producer for decades although our capacity is now dwindling (whilst usage is going up both domestically and internationally) obviously that’s going to have a negative impact on prices. Whilst many other nations have harnessed their energy prosperity for the good of the country, we have frittered a significant proportion away to shareholders. Our energy infrastructure is barely fit for purpose. We struggle to implement innovative actions that would conserve energy because in our fragmented market there is little by way of collaboration (why would there be in a competitive market)

Yes, the government has control over the price to consumers with a nationalised industry, but the issue with that is it's the one and only price consumers have. They won't be able to shop around for a bargain or a cheaper deal, which is one of the many faults with nationalisation, along with stagnation, inefficiency, high costs, bad management and the nationalised industry in question being used as a political football (see the NHS for those last five). And current prices to consumers aren't going up because energy companies are being vindictive. They're going up because of the earlier highlighted reasons - chiefly more reliance on natural gas due to underwhelming results from wind energy and closing coal plants, and that natural gas is going up in price globally. A nationalised industry would still be placing rising costs on to its consumers.

I agree that the UK's energy infrastructure is barely fit for purpose, and I think the UK needs to invest in nuclear power to try to address that at least in part, but I strongly disagree on the subject of innovative action. Innovative action comes best from private business and research, not by the public sector.

There have definitely been problems with the privatisation of UK energy. The main one, I think, is the 'big six' have been guilty of collaborating together in a cartel fashion, which has been justly regulated to increase the competitiveness of the market place. But the benefits have outweighed the negatives.

[JAS]

Also no matter which way you cut it, a privatised energy market IS deeply implicated in the current and upcoming energy price mess.

How so? And how would a nationalised energy industry fare better with this issue?

In simple terms in a state owned scenario govt naturally has more control over the end price to consumers. Obviously it’s a lot more complicated that that. I wouldn’t trust this current mob to put consumers first but that’s just me and that’s all hypothetical.

The fact is though is that we’ve been a producer for decades although our capacity is now dwindling (whilst usage is going up both domestically and internationally) obviously that’s going to have a negative impact on prices. Whilst many other nations have harnessed their energy prosperity for the good of the country, we have frittered a significant proportion away to shareholders. Our energy infrastructure is barely fit for purpose. We struggle to implement innovative actions that would conserve energy because in our fragmented market there is little by way of collaboration (why would there be in a competitive market)

Yes, the government has control over the price to consumers with a nationalised industry, but the issue with that is it's the one and only price consumers have. They won't be able to shop around for a bargain or a cheaper deal, which is one of the many faults with nationalisation, along with stagnation, inefficiency, high costs, bad management and the nationalised industry in question being used as a political football (see the NHS for those last five). And current prices to consumers aren't going up because energy companies are being vindictive. They're going up because of the earlier highlighted reasons - chiefly more reliance on natural gas due to underwhelming results from wind energy and closing coal plants, and that natural gas is going up in price globally. A nationalised industry would still be placing rising costs on to its consumers.

I agree that the UK's energy infrastructure is barely fit for purpose, and I think the UK needs to invest in nuclear power to try to address that at least in part, but I strongly disagree on the subject of innovative action. Innovative action comes best from private business and research, not by the public sector.

There have definitely been problems with the privatisation of UK energy. The main one, I think, is the 'big six' have been guilty of collaborating together in a cartel fashion, which has been justly regulated to increase the competitiveness of the market place. But the benefits have outweighed the negatives.

Decent response to be fair, there are bits I disagree with but equally there are quite a few valid points. I've worked in both the private & public sector both as a permie and a freelancer and I have to say there IS a noticeable difference in the culture which ultimately is set from the top so "Bad Management" certainly is implicated, in fact I'd go as far as to say it's the key thing that has to change as it would have a positive impact on stagnation, efficiency and costs. What I cant quite reconcile is why Management in the public sector is so poor. Don't get me wrong I've seen really poor management in the private sector although not of the type that leads to a culture of institutionalised pedantry that you get in some public sector organisations. I used to think that eventually, the pervasive threat of outsourcing would shake the worst public sector workers out of their pedantry stupor but...well...still waiting.

I've seen, people coming into public sector roles, full of drive and enthusiasm to make a difference and watch as they eventually either acquiesce and come to terms with working in treacle or leave for their own sanity. It just shouldn't be like that but changing it?? sheesh...any ideas??

[dynamark]

JAS that is very well put point re public and private.I was in private sector until 10 years back when I joined a housing association.Your exact scenario exists.We used to contact out our building work very efficient and cost effective but it needed a deal of management.Last couple of years they went to a direct labour force model and it is an unmitigated disaster in every way.But senior managers do not want it to fail so they allow it to limp along.I left ,my boss left,several other surveyors left or transferred. No shareholders or critical board to answer to and a culture of looking after their own

[JAS]

JAS that is very well put point re public and private.I was in private sector until 10 years back when I joined a housing association.Your exact scenario exists.We used to contact out our building work very efficient and cost effective but it needed a deal of management.Last couple of years they went to a direct labour force model  and it is an unmitigated disaster in every way.But senior managers do not want it to fail so they allow it to limp along.I left ,my boss left,several other surveyors left or transferred. No shareholders or critical board to answer to and a culture of looking after their own

It’s incredibly frustrating Dyna, there should be no difference. To me in a job you should give it 100% 100% effort but also 100% given to looking at continual improvement, how can we make this better, easier, more robust etc. But no, all to often it’s we do it like this because we’ve always done it this way….aaarrgghh!!! Seriously, bloody dinosaurs!! I don’t know whether it’s wages/bonuses (lack of). It shouldn’t be because most public sector jobs come with a fairly cushioned pension package, however thats something 50 somethings appreciate a lot more than the 20/30 age group. Either way it’s a culture Senior Managers really need to rip into but they don’t, probably because most Senior Managers have got half an eye on their pension pot and don’t want to stick their head above the parapet and make waves, so the status quo survives and propagates.

[JAS]

Speaking of public/private sector my first job was with British Aerospace when it was still publicly owned. It got privatised while I was there and i saw first hand how it changed. Honestly in the good old days in the engine shop there were jigs permanently set up for the various aircraft engines they used to maintain but there were also a couple of “extra” ones. One in particular was set up to take Ford 1600 engines (from escorts, cortina’s etc). You could get your cylinder head skimmed on the night shift. The machine shop was also notorious for Hamers (home jobs not work related). The ultimate story from that time though was this guy on the night shift, during his break he used to collect bits of scrap metal (aluminium aircraft skin), there was a bit of unused space in one of the hangars which was cordoned off and this guy used to disappear at break time on the night shift every night for months. Over a long period of time his mates discovered that he’d actually been using the scrap metal to build himself a caravan during break times. After he got the thing completed he then took it across to the paint shop and got it painted and the upholstery shop to get it kitted out inside. In the end he had a fantastically engineered and kitted out caravan. As he eventually went to take it home one morning at the end of a night shift, security at the front gate stopped him. It was confiscated and he was sacked. Crazy story though about the slack that existed in a publicly owned aircraft engineering factory.

[dynamark]

Brilliant story but sadly true.We had a situation where our head of dept came in and said we are underspent by £150k due to an accounting error a month before the year end so we were sent out to spend that money as quick as possible on fencing.slabs,anything we could do quick.Back in the day when I had my own insulation business Leics county council would pay me for jobs I hadnt done yet in March to spend their budget for the year ended March 31st because next years budget was based on the previous year spend.

[incontinentia]

Skoda cars have the most delightfully oxymoronic names; skoda rapid, skoda superb etc... its great that the executives have a sense of humour and dont take themselves too seriously

[JAS]

Ironic that I was posting/reminiscing yesterday about BAe where I worked decades ago, just found out last night that an old mate from my teenage years from the same village who also worked there had passed away. Quite chastising to hear that a childhood mate who was younger and to be fair fitter (he played quite a bit of football in teens & early 20s) passes away.

[dynamark]

IC you are right Skoda is part of VAG which includes porsche.Lots of interchangable parts I picked up some brake calipers for my lads ancient VW caddy van which are also Audi parts this week.Citroen Peugeot very similar set up all bolt on bits.The boy has started doing you tube vids of his motor adventures and apparently can start making money from google when he reaches a certain number of hours viewed

[McLaren]

dynamark

It's onlyfans where he will be making his money from. The youtube is just a marketing push for that.

[incontinentia]

dynamark

It's onlyfans where he will be making his money from. The youtube is just a marketing push for that.

My wife has been making a fortune on OnlyFans, people have been paying her to keep her clothes on!

[Duty281]

Jimmy Carr can't make jokes about the Holocaust or AIDS otherwise he'd get 'cancelled'.

Jimmy's putting this to the test.

[beninho]

I've got into a number of twitter debates, trying to defend Jimmy Carr, for saying it. And I get it was part of his show where he was trying to be provocative, but, its just a bad joke, and I know he tried to claim it as anti racist, but still. It you are going to do a holocaust joke, make it a bit funny.

[JuliusHMarx]

Nadine Dorries on cancel culture - "left-wing snowflakes are killing comedy"
Nadine Dorries on Jimmy Carr's Holocaust joke - "abhorrent and they just shouldn't be on television"

[incontinentia]

Jimmy's netflix special came out at Christmas, why are people only getting upset now? As Carr says at the start of the show, they're just jokes about bad things, they're not the actual things.

[incontinentia]

Looks like the Joe Rogan/Spotify deal could be the worst decision Joe Rogan or Spotify ever made.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/05/arts/music/joe-rogan-spotify-apology-slur.html

Personally, I like Rogan a lot. I find a lot of his podcasts mega interesting and enjoy how he speaks freely without fear of the woke brigade (although they appear to have caught up to him now).

[JuliusHMarx]

Do you think that criticising someone for making/promoting false claims, some of which may may be harmful to the health of others, is woke?
These days it seems like any criticism of anyone is labelled woke.

[incontinentia]

Do you think that criticising someone for making/promoting false claims, some of which may may be harmful to the health of others, is woke?
These days it seems like any criticism of anyone is labelled woke.

No I dont think that's woke.

But someone has gone through 12 years of Rogan podcasts and pulled out instances of him using the n-word (out of context) and made a video out of it. That's a classic woke tactic.

[superflyweight]

Do you think that criticising someone for making/promoting false claims, some of which may may be harmful to the health of others, is woke?
These days it seems like any criticism of anyone is labelled woke.

No I dont think that's woke.

But someone has gone through 12 years of Rogan podcasts and pulled out instances of him using the n-word (out of context) and made a video out of it. That's a classic woke tactic.

As it's in context, why didn't you just use the word?

[McLaren]

Inco, are you a young man? At some point you will learn it is not prudent to too closely tie your reputation to public personalities. Be ready to dump a Rogan type at a moments notice.

[dynamark]

If you have been to Dachau there is a lot there about Nazi extermination of Gypsies and Disabled before they started on the Jewish.I have some bad experience with gypsies but wouldnt go that far

[incontinentia]

Do you think that criticising someone for making/promoting false claims, some of which may may be harmful to the health of others, is woke?
These days it seems like any criticism of anyone is labelled woke.

No I dont think that's woke.

But someone has gone through 12 years of Rogan podcasts and pulled out instances of him using the n-word (out of context) and made a video out of it. That's a classic woke tactic.

As it's in context, why didn't you just use the word?  

I did but the swear filter intercepted it

[incontinentia]

Inco, are you a young man? At some point you will learn it is not prudent to too closely tie your reputation to public personalities. Be ready to dump a Rogan type at a moments notice.

I'm in my 30's my person of African descent.

Do you listen to Rogan at all? Sure, he's a bit too fond of conspiracy theories, but he can also be a refreshing tonic to the polished PC buttholes that dominate mainstream media.

[Galted]

Do you think that criticising someone for making/promoting false claims, some of which may may be harmful to the health of others, is woke?
These days it seems like any criticism of anyone is labelled woke.

No I dont think that's woke.

But someone has gone through 12 years of Rogan podcasts and pulled out instances of him using the n-word (out of context) and made a video out of it. That's a classic woke tactic.

As it's in context, why didn't you just use the word?  

I did but the swear filter intercepted it

How niggardly.

[McLaren]

I'm in my 30's my person of African descent.

Do you listen to Rogan at all? Sure, he's a bit too fond of conspiracy theories, but he can also be a refreshing tonic to the polished PC buttholes that dominate mainstream media.

Inco I get being frustrated with some of the coverage from "mainstream media" but I just don't see how turning to someone like Rogan, who isn't equipped to cast a true skeptical eye on issues, is the answer?

If you want better coverage of COVID for example go an seek the voices of scientists in the field. Rogan isn't they guy to expose whether or not a government is taking the correct path in a pandemic.

[incontinentia]

I'm in my 30's my person of African descent.

Do you listen to Rogan at all? Sure, he's a bit too fond of conspiracy theories, but he can also be a refreshing tonic to the polished PC buttholes that dominate mainstream media.

Inco I get being frustrated with some of the coverage from "mainstream media" but I just don't see how turning to someone like Rogan, who isn't equipped to cast a true skeptical eye on issues, is the answer?

If you want better coverage of COVID for example go an seek the voices of scientists in the field. Rogan isn't they guy to expose whether or not a government is taking the correct path in a pandemic.

He is very entertaining though. For me entertainment value is the main consideration, any reasonably intelligent person would treat Rogan's podcasts as such and not consider them an authoratative source of information. I'm confident Rogan is interested in discovering the truth about things and is less aligned with political agendas than other commentators.

I do watch a lot of Dr John Campbell's videos too, but he's been branded a hack by the BBC and other mainstreamers. Any recommendations for scientists to follow?

[JuliusHMarx]

I'm in my 30's my person of African descent.

Do you listen to Rogan at all? Sure, he's a bit too fond of conspiracy theories, but he can also be a refreshing tonic to the polished PC buttholes that dominate mainstream media.

Inco I get being frustrated with some of the coverage from "mainstream media" but I just don't see how turning to someone like Rogan, who isn't equipped to cast a true skeptical eye on issues, is the answer?

If you want better coverage of COVID for example go an seek the voices of scientists in the field. Rogan isn't they guy to expose whether or not a government is taking the correct path in a pandemic.

He is very entertaining though. For me entertainment value is the main consideration, any reasonably intelligent person would treat Rogan's podcasts as such and not consider them an authoratative source of information. I'm confident Rogan is interested in discovering the truth about things and is less aligned with political agendas than other commentators.

I do watch a lot of Dr John Campbell's videos too, but he's been branded a hack by the BBC and other mainstreamers. Any recommendations for scientists to follow?

I haven't seen what the BBC and other mainstreamers say about Campbell but one good reason he's been branded a hack is because he can be prone to saying stuff that either isn't true or misrepresents the truth e.g. on the effectiveness of Ivermectin in Japan, or claiming there were no lockdowns in the Spanish flu outbreak, or misrepresenting the number of Covid deaths.

In general, if the only outlet someone can get within the scientific community is their own Youtube channel, they may as well be a flat earther, despite any claim to be balanced or only dealing in facts.

I would suggest reading the abstracts and conclusions of peer-reviewed studies in online scientific journals.

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He is very entertaining though. For me entertainment value is the main consideration, any reasonably intelligent person would treat Rogan's podcasts as such and not consider them an authoritative source of information. I'm confident Rogan is interested in discovering the truth about things and is less aligned with political agendas than other commentators.

I do watch a lot of Dr John Campbell's videos too, but he's been branded a hack by the BBC and other mainstreamers. Any recommendations for scientists to follow?

I would suggest reading the abstracts and conclusions of peer-reviewed studies in online scientific journals.

Y'see, that would bore the hole off me. I'm not studying for a PhD, I just want something entertaining to while away my pointless existence. Can you imagine driving along on the morning commute listening to some crusty old professor talking in specialist terms about covid data and such, it would put most people to sleep at the wheel! Not for me thank you. Plus, even the peer reviewed stuff can be influenced by agendas and special interests. Believe nothing, thats my motto.

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