Political round up.............

by **superflyweight** Mon 24 Oct 2022, 5:06 pm

First topic message reminder :

Duty281 wrote:Sunak speaks for a grand total of 84 seconds and then scuttles away to get his orders.

Crackpot.

by the-goon2 Wed 28 Jun 2023, 4:35 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GDP increased 2.1% in 2022....It's a commonly used measure for standard of living...

No it doesn't. It measures overall economic performance. It doesn't identify how that performance is distributed throughout the economy either.

At a push GDP per capita could be used as it at least measures economic productivity. but that again doesn't solve the issue of identifying where in the economy the economic performance is being felt.

The reality is wages are not going up significantly. But prices are. The purchasing power of the average American is dropping significantly. If you can buy less things with your money and you have less money after essentials, your standard of living is going down.

If your neighbourhood is more dangerous, your standard of living is going down.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 28 Jun 2023, 5:58 pm

the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GDP increased 2.1% in 2022....It's a commonly used measure for standard of living...

No it doesn't. It measures overall economic performance. It doesn't identify how that performance is distributed throughout the economy either.

At a push GDP per capita could be used as it at least measures economic productivity. but that again doesn't solve the issue of identifying where in the economy the economic performance is being felt.

The reality is wages are not going up significantly. But prices are. The purchasing power of the average American is dropping significantly. If you can buy less things with your money and you have less money after essentials, your standard of living is going down.

If your neighbourhood is more dangerous, your standard of living is going down.

It is an agreed way of measuring standard of living......Be told.

by Soul Requiem Wed 28 Jun 2023, 6:04 pm

What exactly does standard of living mean?

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 30 Jun 2023, 4:36 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:What exactly does standard of living mean?

Chuff all?

by **Pr4wn** Mon 03 Jul 2023, 9:55 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GDP increased 2.1% in 2022....It's a commonly used measure for standard of living...

No it doesn't. It measures overall economic performance. It doesn't identify how that performance is distributed throughout the economy either.

At a push GDP per capita could be used as it at least measures economic productivity. but that again doesn't solve the issue of identifying where in the economy the economic performance is being felt.

The reality is wages are not going up significantly. But prices are. The purchasing power of the average American is dropping significantly. If you can buy less things with your money and you have less money after essentials, your standard of living is going down.

If your neighbourhood is more dangerous, your standard of living is going down.

It is an agreed way of measuring standard of living......Be told.

No, it isn't. It's an agreed measure of economic performance. You're talking rubbish.

by the-goon2 Tue 04 Jul 2023, 7:59 am

The supreme court has outlawed racism, democrats and progressives most affected.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Jul 2023, 11:09 am

Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GDP increased 2.1% in 2022....It's a commonly used measure for standard of living...

No it doesn't. It measures overall economic performance. It doesn't identify how that performance is distributed throughout the economy either.

At a push GDP per capita could be used as it at least measures economic productivity. but that again doesn't solve the issue of identifying where in the economy the economic performance is being felt.

The reality is wages are not going up significantly. But prices are. The purchasing power of the average American is dropping significantly. If you can buy less things with your money and you have less money after essentials, your standard of living is going down.

If your neighbourhood is more dangerous, your standard of living is going down.

It is an agreed way of measuring standard of living......Be told.

No, it isn't. It's an agreed measure of economic performance. You're talking rubbish.

No it is a way of measuring economic performance.....I know everything you disagree with is rubbish but sadly you're not always right.

by the-goon2 Tue 04 Jul 2023, 12:19 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GDP increased 2.1% in 2022....It's a commonly used measure for standard of living...

No it doesn't. It measures overall economic performance. It doesn't identify how that performance is distributed throughout the economy either.

At a push GDP per capita could be used as it at least measures economic productivity. but that again doesn't solve the issue of identifying where in the economy the economic performance is being felt.

The reality is wages are not going up significantly. But prices are. The purchasing power of the average American is dropping significantly. If you can buy less things with your money and you have less money after essentials, your standard of living is going down.

If your neighbourhood is more dangerous, your standard of living is going down.

It is an agreed way of measuring standard of living......Be told.

No, it isn't. It's an agreed measure of economic performance. You're talking rubbish.

No it is a way of measuring economic performance.....I know everything you disagree with is rubbish but sadly you're not always right.

Economic performance does not equate to standard of living. They are different metrics, as I have explained.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 04 Jul 2023, 12:21 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GDP increased 2.1% in 2022....It's a commonly used measure for standard of living...

No it doesn't. It measures overall economic performance. It doesn't identify how that performance is distributed throughout the economy either.

At a push GDP per capita could be used as it at least measures economic productivity. but that again doesn't solve the issue of identifying where in the economy the economic performance is being felt.

The reality is wages are not going up significantly. But prices are. The purchasing power of the average American is dropping significantly. If you can buy less things with your money and you have less money after essentials, your standard of living is going down.

If your neighbourhood is more dangerous, your standard of living is going down.

It is an agreed way of measuring standard of living......Be told.

No, it isn't. It's an agreed measure of economic performance. You're talking rubbish.

No it is a way of measuring economic performance.....I know everything you disagree with is rubbish but sadly you're not always right.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Jul 2023, 1:04 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GDP increased 2.1% in 2022....It's a commonly used measure for standard of living...

No it doesn't. It measures overall economic performance. It doesn't identify how that performance is distributed throughout the economy either.

At a push GDP per capita could be used as it at least measures economic productivity. but that again doesn't solve the issue of identifying where in the economy the economic performance is being felt.

The reality is wages are not going up significantly. But prices are. The purchasing power of the average American is dropping significantly. If you can buy less things with your money and you have less money after essentials, your standard of living is going down.

If your neighbourhood is more dangerous, your standard of living is going down.

It is an agreed way of measuring standard of living......Be told.

No, it isn't. It's an agreed measure of economic performance. You're talking rubbish.

No it is a way of measuring economic performance.....I know everything you disagree with is rubbish but sadly you're not always right.

If you ever want to add something of interest to these boards let me know in advance.....I don't want to die of shock... thumbsup

by Soul Requiem Tue 04 Jul 2023, 1:34 pm

You're whistling in the wind here Truss, you're not explaining how GDP equates to a higher standard of living. I'm sure you're capable of doing just that?

by **Pr4wn** Tue 04 Jul 2023, 4:43 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GDP increased 2.1% in 2022....It's a commonly used measure for standard of living...

No it doesn't. It measures overall economic performance. It doesn't identify how that performance is distributed throughout the economy either.

At a push GDP per capita could be used as it at least measures economic productivity. but that again doesn't solve the issue of identifying where in the economy the economic performance is being felt.

The reality is wages are not going up significantly. But prices are. The purchasing power of the average American is dropping significantly. If you can buy less things with your money and you have less money after essentials, your standard of living is going down.

If your neighbourhood is more dangerous, your standard of living is going down.

It is an agreed way of measuring standard of living......Be told.

No, it isn't. It's an agreed measure of economic performance. You're talking rubbish.

No it is a way of measuring economic performance.....I know everything you disagree with is rubbish but sadly you're not always right.

Yeah, this makes no sense at all, sunshine.

by No name Bertie Tue 04 Jul 2023, 7:27 pm

When I Google - the answer at the top of the Google search list is from "Investopedia"

investopedia wrote:Per capita GDP is calculated by dividing total GDP by a country's population, and this figure is frequently cited when assessing the standard of living.

by Soul Requiem Tue 04 Jul 2023, 7:31 pm

No name Bertie wrote:When I Google - the answer at the top of the Google search list is from "Investopedia"

investopedia wrote:Per capita GDP is calculated by dividing total GDP by a country's population, and this figure is frequently cited when assessing the standard of living.

Thanks for that, still doesn't answer the question.

by the-goon2 Wed 05 Jul 2023, 7:34 am

No name Bertie wrote:When I Google - the answer at the top of the Google search list is from "Investopedia"

investopedia wrote:Per capita GDP is calculated by dividing total GDP by a country's population, and this figure is frequently cited when assessing the standard of living.

I addressed why this measure also isn't great, yet better than simple GDP growth.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 10 Jul 2023, 12:06 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GDP increased 2.1% in 2022....It's a commonly used measure for standard of living...

No it doesn't. It measures overall economic performance. It doesn't identify how that performance is distributed throughout the economy either.

At a push GDP per capita could be used as it at least measures economic productivity. but that again doesn't solve the issue of identifying where in the economy the economic performance is being felt.

The reality is wages are not going up significantly. But prices are. The purchasing power of the average American is dropping significantly. If you can buy less things with your money and you have less money after essentials, your standard of living is going down.

If your neighbourhood is more dangerous, your standard of living is going down.

It is an agreed way of measuring standard of living......Be told.

No, it isn't. It's an agreed measure of economic performance. You're talking rubbish.

No it is a way of measuring economic performance.....I know everything you disagree with is rubbish but sadly you're not always right.

If you ever want to add something of interest to these boards let me know in advance.....I don't want to die of shock...

Well, try posting something that makes any sense, and I'll be happy to oblige thumbsup

.

by the-goon2 Tue 11 Jul 2023, 10:53 am

Seems like no one will die of shock then...

So, looks like the BBC are up to their old tricks again eh?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 11 Jul 2023, 12:51 pm

the-goon2 wrote:Seems like no one will die of shock then...

On one of your replies to me it says...Been deleted for being a silly boy or something..

Care to expand ??

by the-goon2 Tue 11 Jul 2023, 1:23 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
the-goon2 wrote:Seems like no one will die of shock then...

On one of your replies to me it says...Been deleted for being a silly boy or something..

Care to expand ??

I deleted it, it was a petty retort and on reflection felt it was beneath me so got rid of it.

This one was just a joke.

by Duty281 Sun 16 Jul 2023, 2:31 pm

Duty281 wrote:Uxbridge is 1/16 for Labour, so a slam dunk. And Somerton and Frome, where the fourth resignation happened in a constituency that had a near 30% Tory majority over Lib Dem in 2019, is 1/14 to be won by the Lib Dems.

Selby is very tight - Tories 4/5, Labour evens.

So two fights Sunak should give up on, but two that he can win. The battle for Selby will be big and have quite a bit of importance attached for both main parties.

Selby no longer considered tight. Labour are 1/10 to win the seat, so looking like three by-election defeats for Sunak and the Tories on Friday. Should that happen, there will be quite a lot of pressure on Sunak over the weekend, especially if the inflation news in the week is worse than anticipated.

Labour's lead in the polls has increased over the past month/two months, to around the high teens/low 20s.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Jul 2023, 2:23 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Uxbridge is 1/16 for Labour, so a slam dunk. And Somerton and Frome, where the fourth resignation happened in a constituency that had a near 30% Tory majority over Lib Dem in 2019, is 1/14 to be won by the Lib Dems.

Selby is very tight - Tories 4/5, Labour evens.

So two fights Sunak should give up on, but two that he can win. The battle for Selby will be big and have quite a bit of importance attached for both main parties.

Selby no longer considered tight. Labour are 1/10 to win the seat, so looking like three by-election defeats for Sunak and the Tories on Friday. Should that happen, there will be quite a lot of pressure on Sunak over the weekend, especially if the inflation news in the week is worse than anticipated.

Labour's lead in the polls has increased over the past month/two months, to around the high teens/low 20s.

Even when polls are tight....By elections are always a problem for the incumbent......It's a way of giving them a kick in the butt without kicking them out.....Tends to be more tacticals in play and the low turnout tends to favor the more motivated..

Selby may be their only hope.......But it looks gloomy for blue....

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 18 Jul 2023, 3:43 pm

The vacuous Starmer seems to have screwed up over this two children benefit cap....Titles can be painful and "Sir Kid Starver" is the type that sticks....

U-turn on this policy coming soon.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 19 Jul 2023, 10:56 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The vacuous Starmer seems to have screwed up over this two children benefit cap....Titles can be painful and "Sir Kid Starver" is the type that sticks....

U-turn on this policy coming soon.

Shouldn't be, but you may be right.

by Duty281 Fri 21 Jul 2023, 8:21 am

Big surprise, as Labour don't win in Uxbridge, with Khan getting the blame. But they do turn a 20,000 Tory majority in Selby into a 4,000 Labour majority. Hiding away the young Labour candidate for the campaign seemed to work.

The Lib Dems, however, managed to turn a 19,000 Tory majority in Frome into a much bigger 11,000 LD majority.

Still seems to be a lack of enthusiasm for Labour, despite their big polling lead nationally.

by Samo Fri 21 Jul 2023, 9:42 am

Tories will hide behind the Uxbridge result as some kind of victory, but both other seats swinging 19k and 20k majorities is huge. The tide is definitely turning.

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 21 Jul 2023, 10:56 am

Had to laugh at Greg Hands telling Sky News that Sunak 'needs more time'. I think enough people have made up their minds by now.

by GSC Fri 21 Jul 2023, 10:57 am

Sunak has all the authority of the reserve coach put in charge for a week before Big Sam comes to the rescue

by **navyblueshorts** Fri 21 Jul 2023, 11:33 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Had to laugh at Greg Hands telling Sky News that Sunak 'needs more time'. I think enough people have made up their minds by now.

He probably does, but the Tories? I think not.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 21 Jul 2023, 1:17 pm

GSC wrote:Sunak has all the authority of the reserve coach put in charge for a week before Big Sam comes to the rescue

It's a tough one for him......Liz Truss left the Tories dead and buried.....Rank and file want Tax cuts but he needs to defend the red wall where standard of living is hitting real hard. Needs to give them goodies but where is the money coming from ????...

Little difference with Starmer in best PM ratings in fairness....one is 29 the other 30 in the "are they doing well question..."

Perhaps a slight door opening in London for the Tories with this Khan car tax....

I'd more worried if I was ther Tories in rural strongholds with the Lib Dems........They got battered in Somerset and Ulez won't hurt the Lib Dems.

by the-goon2 Tue 01 Aug 2023, 8:58 am

So I see the X sign at Twitter HQ has been taken down, glad to see the San Francisco authorities all over it.

Isn't it interesting that there isn't the same zeal to address the homeless encampments, human waste in the streets, open air drug markets and rampant retail theft in city.

A very interesting article:

https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-retail-theft-sf-walgreens-shoplifters-geary-boulevard-17th-avenue/13520154/

by **Pr4wn** Tue 01 Aug 2023, 6:02 pm

the-goon2 will not be returning.

by **superflyweight** Wed 02 Aug 2023, 9:23 am

Pr4wn wrote:the-goon2 will not be returning.

Probably for the best - I'm all for different viewpoints and differences of opinion, but he's a flat out racist.

by GSC Wed 02 Aug 2023, 9:26 am

The-goon3: goon harder

by Samo Wed 02 Aug 2023, 9:50 am

Finally.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 02 Aug 2023, 11:22 am

GSC wrote:The-goon3: goon harder

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 02 Aug 2023, 11:25 am

Pr4wn wrote:the-goon2 will not be returning.

Oh, that is unfortunate...

by lostinwales Wed 02 Aug 2023, 12:46 pm

Remember - he was the one being abused

Goon with the wind wrote:Really? I'm the one that receives the verbal abuse, not the other way around.

Do you have an example of me being offensive?

by **Galted** Wed 02 Aug 2023, 12:51 pm

If he came up with 'goon with the wind' after being booted he deserves to be reinstated.

by lostinwales Wed 02 Aug 2023, 1:08 pm

Galted wrote:If he came up with 'goon with the wind' after being booted he deserves to be reinstated.

I suspect that would have been beyond him - the quote is from a different thread if you haven't seen it.

by **Galted** Wed 02 Aug 2023, 2:44 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Galted wrote:If he came up with 'goon with the wind' after being booted he deserves to be reinstated.

I suspect that would have been beyond him - the quote is from a different thread if you haven't seen it.

Aha. Very good, whoever came up with it.

by dummy_half Wed 02 Aug 2023, 3:46 pm

From what I'd seen, I suspect he was a paid troll, although why anyone would bother with our little corner of tinterwebs I'm not sure. Just certain things, such as his vehement defence of the US 2nd amendment , reminded me of trolls from elsewhere.

by lostinwales Wed 02 Aug 2023, 8:32 pm

dummy_half wrote:From what I'd seen, I suspect he was a paid troll, although why anyone would bother with our little corner of tinterwebs I'm not sure. Just certain things, such as his vehement defence of the US 2nd amendment , reminded me of trolls from elsewhere.

It is an interesting point. I think it may just be a case that these people actually do walk among us, and that they get confidence about expressing their views (and how to do so) from reading and believing the troll accounts. I don't think they are that common.

by **Pr4wn** Wed 02 Aug 2023, 9:35 pm

superflyweight wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:the-goon2 will not be returning.

Probably for the best - I'm all for different viewpoints and differences of opinion, but he's a flat out racist.

This is the reason. Differences in opinion have long been tolerated on these boards, even if things sometimes get a little heated.

Racists are not welcome.

by Samo Thu 03 Aug 2023, 1:43 pm

Post Brexit checks on fresh produce coming into the UK from the EU have been delayed. Again.

Crazy that the only way to make Brexit work is to not implement it.

by dummy_half Thu 03 Aug 2023, 3:35 pm

Samo wrote:Post Brexit checks on fresh produce coming into the UK from the EU have been delayed. Again.

Crazy that the only way to make Brexit work is to not implement it.

End of last year I did some work on two newly built warehouse buildings at two major ports in the north. Both built as inspection facilities (Border Control Points) for importation of produce, and both now never going to be used for their intended purpose. The port owners have two options: 1 - demolition or 2 - repurposing. I understand from our client that over 30 warehouses were built for similar purposes around the country, all of which made useless by one stroke of Jacob Rees-Mogg's pen.

by Samo Tue 08 Aug 2023, 1:10 pm

I remember when someone would say something like "If they dont like it they can Frak off back to where they came from" they would be expelled from a political party. These days we just promote them to Deputy Chairman of the Conservative party.

BNP in blue ties.

by Duty281 Tue 08 Aug 2023, 2:16 pm

The BNP were, of course, very famous for being led by someone who wasn't white and wanting net migration to run at several hundreds of thousands.

by **Pr4wn** Tue 08 Aug 2023, 4:53 pm

Duty281 wrote:The BNP were, of course, very famous for being led by someone who wasn't white and wanting net migration to run at several hundreds of thousands.

Hmmm I'd say they're most famous for being racists.

by GSC Tue 08 Aug 2023, 6:26 pm

Maybe if the BNP were down to their 8th choice leader

by Samo Tue 08 Aug 2023, 8:27 pm

Downing Street backs Lee Andersons "They can Frak off back to France" comments.

Quelle Frak surprise. The state of the modern Conservative party.

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