RWC 2023 Final - New Zealand v South Africa, 28 October

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NEW ZEALAND v SOUTH AFRICA
28 October 2023
21:00 local time (CEST) (UTC+2)
Stade de France, Saint-Denis

Live on ITV/S4C

Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)
Touch judges: Karl Dickson, Matthew Carley
Television match official: Tom Foley

A. Head to Head

105 Played 105
62 Won 39
4 Drawn 4
39 Lost 62
2185 Points 1728

B. Recent Form

25 September 2021
North Queensland Stadium, Townsville
19–17 to New Zealand

2 October 2021
Robina Stadium, Gold Coast
29–31 to South Africa

6 August 2022
Mbombela Stadium, Mbombela
26–10 to South Africa

13 August 2022
Ellis Park, Johannesburg
23–35 to New Zealand

15 July 2023
Mount Smart Stadium, Auckland
35–20 to New Zealand

25 August 2023
Twickenham Stadium, London
35–7 to South Africa

C. Teams

NEW ZEALAND
B Barrett; Jordan, Ioane, J Barrett, Telea; Mo'unga, Smith; De Groot, Taylor, Lomax, Retallick, S Barrett, Frizell, Cane (capt), Savea.

Replacements: Liernert-Brown for Jordan (71), McKenzie for Mo'unga (75), Christie for Smith (66), Williams for de Groot (66), Taukeiaho for Taylor (66), Papali'i for Retallick (71).Not Used: Laulala, Whitelock.

SOUTH AFRICA
Willemse; Arendse, Kriel, De Allende, Kolbe; Pollard, De Klerk; Kitshoff, Mbonambi, Malherbe, Etzebeth, Mostert, Kolisi (capt), Du Toit, Vermeulen.

Replacements: Fourie for Nbonambi (4) Le Roux for Willemse (66), Nche for Kitshoff (52), Kleyn for Etzebeth (58), Snyman for Mostert (52), Wiese for Kolisi (73), Smith for Vermeulen (58).

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Heaf wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Yoda wrote:This is what happens when there is a competent officiating team unlike the lot last night. Terrible tackle, red all day. It's nice to see the games laws being enforced for once.

Competent? Since when is falling on a foot a yellow?
Since when does a ref say oh sorry Ardie just saw the replay as Pollard kicks the obviously non penalty. Since when is a clear knock on by Faf , ‘went backwards’ when he drops it after trying to pick it up.
Barnes needs to go to Specsavers… again.

It begins again.

He has a point re the the pen that went completely the wrong way ... if that doesn't happen everything after that point changes ....

Yeah. If any decision changes everything after that point changes. Good point.

Boks by far the better side so far. Just a drama Queen point perhaps

Roll the roulette.

Both csptains off!

This one looks more like a YC

Possibly a red. Chance for the bunker to level it up.

NZ have got to make these 10 minutes count.

Dont think that is a red maybe not even yellow

Looks more like a yellow card that one.

Oooh, tell me that’s not worse than Canes. Silisi was charging Savea. Cane wasn’t.

Lineout nowhere near straight.

Collapse2005 wrote:Dont think that is a red maybe not even yellow

Another Specsavers candidate

I don't buy this indirect contact stuff - if you get a headbutt in the face just because another part of the body also makes contact doesn't mean it's not a head injury risk - which is what I thought they were trying to avoid ...

And we're back to normal wc rules on tackles.

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Dont think that is a red maybe not even yellow

Another Specsavers candidate

Kolisi hit the body first then the head, have seen those given as not even a penalty in this RWC, Jesse Kriel v Scotland for example.

Time to leave em behind boys.

SA are not that impressive.

This is one of the worst games of international rugby Ive seen in years!

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Dont think that is a red maybe not even yellow

Another Specsavers candidate

Kolisi hit the body first then the head, have seen those given as not even a penalty in this RWC, Jesse Kriel v Scotland for example.

His head snapped back. Wrong call.

Understand NZ's choice to go for the try there. But it ended up like England's botched line-out last week, and could be just as key.

Everyone said England were boring jeez this game is dull as dishwater....

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Dont think that is a red maybe not even yellow

Another Specsavers candidate

Kolisi hit the body first then the head, have seen those given as not even a penalty in this RWC, Jesse Kriel v Scotland for example.

His head snapped back. Wrong call.

That's not at all relevant. The initial contact wasn't high so mitigation not to mention that his hips were dipped making the tackle rather than Cane being upright.

Come on the blacks

Lovely try that.

Soul Requiem wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Dont think that is a red maybe not even yellow

Another Specsavers candidate

Kolisi hit the body first then the head, have seen those given as not even a penalty in this RWC, Jesse Kriel v Scotland for example.

His head snapped back. Wrong call.

That's not at all relevant. The initial contact wasn't high so mitigation not to mention that his hips were dipped making the tackle rather than Cane being upright.

Oh well each to his own, on with the game. Cmon boys.
Go Aaron!!!!

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Dont think that is a red maybe not even yellow

Another Specsavers candidate

Kolisi hit the body first then the head, have seen those given as not even a penalty in this RWC, Jesse Kriel v Scotland for example.

That call was abysmal too ...

Or not.

The game needed that. Missed tackle on the fly-half, but still brilliant work to finish it off.

Oh....it's getting ruled out.

So knock on given..but Argentina had a blatant forward pass last night completely ignored.

Inconsistencies all over the shop!!!

Heaf wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Dont think that is a red maybe not even yellow

Another Specsavers candidate

Kolisi hit the body first then the head, have seen those given as not even a penalty in this RWC, Jesse Kriel v Scotland for example.

That call was abysmal too ...

That was a terrible call to be fair but still the yellow to Kolisi was fair.

We’ll all I’m saying is again, summer world cups

Geezus. Can anything else go wrong

Collapse2005 wrote:

Heaf wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Dont think that is a red maybe not even yellow

Another Specsavers candidate

Kolisi hit the body first then the head, have seen those given as not even a penalty in this RWC, Jesse Kriel v Scotland for example.

That call was abysmal too ...

That was a terrible call to be fair but still the yellow to Kolisi was fair.

Seems SA have been the beneficiaries of a lot of contentious calls throughout the tournament however ....

What a Mickey Mouse final.
Last 20 to decide

When did they change the laws to say you could go back more than 2 phases for an infringement in the build-up to a try?

Now how will this not be a try?
Well done Jordie.

And now a forward pass ignored...ha ha ha what a joke

Pick a forward pass.

Deserved try though

Definitely looks like he throws the pass backwards though it goes forwards in the tackle.

Heaf wrote:When did they change the laws to say you could go back more than 2 phases for an infringement in the build-up to a try?

Was it more than two?

Heaf wrote:When did they change the laws to say you could go back more than 2 phases for an infringement in the build-up to a try?

Years and years ago now.

Taylorman wrote:

Heaf wrote:When did they change the laws to say you could go back more than 2 phases for an infringement in the build-up to a try?

Was it more than two?

I counted at least 3 rucks between the line-out and the try ...

Pas was back. It bounce forward and was caught. Seems some need a rules refresher besides Barnes.

king_carlos wrote:

Heaf wrote:When did they change the laws to say you could go back more than 2 phases for an infringement in the build-up to a try?

Years and years ago now.

It's still in the guidance document from 2022 I believe

I thought it changed soon after the last RWC to be honest. Will have a Google after the match.

Heaf wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Heaf wrote:When did they change the laws to say you could go back more than 2 phases for an infringement in the build-up to a try?

Was it more than two?

I counted at least 3 rucks between the line-out and the try ...

Barnes will be roasted after this. Regardless of who wins. He’s lost control of his ability to make decisions. He’s seeing things that didn’t happen. And missing things that did.

Taylorman wrote:

Heaf wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Heaf wrote:When did they change the laws to say you could go back more than 2 phases for an infringement in the build-up to a try?

Was it more than two?

I counted at least 3 rucks between the line-out and the try ...

Barnes will be roasted after this. Regardless of who wins. He’s lost control of his ability to make decisions. He’s seeing things that didn’t happen. And missing things that did.

Sounds like you're getting an excuse ready in case you lose.

Some really tight calls this game but I think they've all been about right. World Rugby definitely need to have a good hard think about these head contact laws though and put down consistency in the decision making.

ABs need to be peppering the touchlines given how bad the SA lineout is!

Heaf wrote:

king_carlos wrote:

Heaf wrote:When did they change the laws to say you could go back more than 2 phases for an infringement in the build-up to a try?

Years and years ago now.

It's still in the guidance document from 2022 I believe

Law 11: Knock-On or Throw Forward
All Clear and Obvious knock-on or throw forward infringements within
two phases leading to a possible try.
AllClearandObviousknock-onswheretheon-fieldteamhaveawarded
the scrum to the incorrect team to feed the ball.

king_carlos wrote:I thought it changed soon after the last RWC to be honest. Will have a Google after the match.

So can we go back a few tries and half time?
Barnes apologised on the replay before pollard kicked the goal. Why couldn’t he correct that?

Taylorman wrote:

Heaf wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Heaf wrote:When did they change the laws to say you could go back more than 2 phases for an infringement in the build-up to a try?

Was it more than two?

I counted at least 3 rucks between the line-out and the try ...

Barnes will be roasted after this. Regardless of who wins. He’s lost control of his ability to make decisions. He’s seeing things that didn’t happen. And missing things that did.

And both teams blame losses on anything but themselves.

If the Kiwis lose they will blame Barnes for sure. Or food poisoning.

Anyway, we move on. 15 to go, let’s enjoy the last minutes of this years tournament. Good luck to both sides.