World Cup losers Playoff 2023 - The unwanted game - England v Argentina

by Geordie Wed 25 Oct - 12:58

First topic message reminder :

England Team:

15 M Smith
14 F Steward
13 J Marchant,
12 M Tuilagi
11 H Arundell;
10 O Farrell (c),
9 B Youngs;

1 E Genge (vc),
2 T Dan,
3 W Stuart,
4 M Itoje,
5 O Chessum,
6 T Curry,
7 S Underhill,
8 B Earl.

Replacements: J George, B Rodd, D Cole, D Ribbans, L Ludlam, D Care, G Ford (vc), O Lawrence.

by Heaf Fri 27 Oct - 21:08

How was that knocked on by white?

by mountain man Fri 27 Oct - 21:09

Indeed. Young's going through the motions. The slow motions.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 27 Oct - 21:10

formerly known as Sam wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:He's our best fly half by a distance but Borthwick is we'd to his kicking game hence Farrell is our first choice. Smith did the basics as well yet because everyone know what he can do he gets dismissed when he plays within himself by instruction. It's frustrating. When he was below par with Jones he was top scorer in the 6ns.

Ford is our best flyhalf by a distance. Smith is our best flyhalf ball in hand which why bringing him into the game as a playmaker when we are in those positions makes sense.

Would love to see Ford be able to prove it. But like Smith he's just asked to kick. And Borthwick prefers Farrell over both anyway.

by Cumbrian Fri 27 Oct - 21:10

Heaf wrote:How was that knocked on by white?

Changed it, eventually...

by Cumbrian Fri 27 Oct - 21:11

Need to get another score ahead.

by Heaf Fri 27 Oct - 21:12

Well that was a crap kick

by formerly known as Sam Fri 27 Oct - 21:12

No 7&1/2 wrote:Youngs is so far off the pace now.

Well it's the final time.

To be fair the delivery from the base has been alright (not great but not bad) it's been his positioning in the backfield that's not been great.

by Cumbrian Fri 27 Oct - 21:13

Can't help but think England are keeping them in this with brain farts. Wake up!

by Geordie Fri 27 Oct - 21:14

Thank God stuarts off

by Heaf Fri 27 Oct - 21:14

And rubbish kicks

by doctor_grey Fri 27 Oct - 21:19

No 7&1/2 wrote:Youngs is so far off the pace now.

Look at it this way: You won't have Youngs to kick around any more....

by doctor_grey Fri 27 Oct - 21:20

Cheika for Borthwick???????

by tigertattie Fri 27 Oct - 21:20

England need to move on from Farrell.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 27 Oct - 21:21

tigertattie wrote:England need to move on from Farrell.

Watch him for Saracens.

by formerly known as Sam Fri 27 Oct - 21:21

I'm sure me screaming "NO" at the sight of Ford replacing Manu instead of Farrell won't annoy the neighbours too much.

by king_carlos Fri 27 Oct - 21:22

A bit of poor positioning and a slipped tackle for Rodd straight after coming on. These sort of games are largely meaningless but it is sometimes interesting to see the squad players used and weaknesses such as that be clear. I rate Rodd but he does have clear areas to work on.

Similar that I rate Theo Dan but even having done well in the scrum he's missed 4 tackles in defence. Certainly nice moment with the charge down to bounce back after a really bad bit of defence for the try.

by Heaf Fri 27 Oct - 21:23

Isn't the scrum half even meant to pretend to feed straight - he was standing at 45 degrees to the line

by Cumbrian Fri 27 Oct - 21:24

Why are you kicking the ball away??????

by Heaf Fri 27 Oct - 21:25

Every time they get into the 22 they f*cking kick it away

by Cumbrian Fri 27 Oct - 21:26

That is fine! That is a good kick!

by Heaf Fri 27 Oct - 21:28

Yep that one from half way into 22 was fine ... everything after was meh ...

by No 7&1/2 Fri 27 Oct - 21:29

Lucky he wasn't on this side of the scrum.

by mountain man Fri 27 Oct - 21:29

England look aimless, back to warm up games. Kicking away possession in opposition 22 etc. Poor.

by Cumbrian Fri 27 Oct - 21:29

Arundell, one of the most naturally attacking talents we have hasn't received the ball once. This is ridiculous.

by Heaf Fri 27 Oct - 21:30

wasted advantage

by formerly known as Sam Fri 27 Oct - 21:30

Cumbrian wrote:Arundell, one of the most naturally attacking talents we have hasn't received the ball once. This is ridiculous.

Doesn't help when we have a scrum penalty and Care breaks off and goes for an ambitious drop goal instead of passing to Smith who had options inside and out.

by mountain man Fri 27 Oct - 21:31

At least kit man won't need to wash his kit

by Cumbrian Fri 27 Oct - 21:32

Feel sorry for the lad, didn't have a chance.

by Heaf Fri 27 Oct - 21:33

Now they sub Arundell just when players may be getting tired and making space

by Geordie Fri 27 Oct - 21:33

Cumbrian wrote:Arundell, one of the most naturally attacking talents we have hasn't received the ball once. This is ridiculous.

And he's not a patch on Radwan...

by Geordie Fri 27 Oct - 21:34

On a serious note...when did Arundel come off hos wing looking for the ball?

by No 7&1/2 Fri 27 Oct - 21:34

I said Tonge in cheek really that it should be O Flaherty and Roebuck for England but it really should. There are better wingers. And wingers other sides should puck but this is so limited that they are the absolute best we have.

by Cumbrian Fri 27 Oct - 21:35

Geordie wrote:
Cumbrian wrote:Arundell, one of the most naturally attacking talents we have hasn't received the ball once. This is ridiculous.

And he's not a patch on Radwan...

Who'd know? Would they treat Radders any differently?

by Geordie Fri 27 Oct - 21:37

Cumbrian wrote:
Geordie wrote:
Cumbrian wrote:Arundell, one of the most naturally attacking talents we have hasn't received the ball once. This is ridiculous.

And he's not a patch on Radwan...

Who'd know? Would they treat Radders any differently?

Nope

by Yoda Fri 27 Oct - 21:38

God we are difficult to watch. We need an attack coach but my God for seasoned professionals they haven't got a clue how to play rugby.

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by Heaf Fri 27 Oct - 21:38

Meanwhile SH continues to feed the No 8

by Yoda Fri 27 Oct - 21:39

Arundel couldn't be bothered. Don't blame him as he's probably bored to tears.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 27 Oct - 21:40

Should be a penalty to Argentina. That's a tackle and he needs to roll away.

by doctor_grey Fri 27 Oct - 21:41

Heaf wrote:Now they sub Arundell just when players may be getting tired and making space

This is called strategy. Very deep strategy....

by tigertattie Fri 27 Oct - 21:41

No 7&1/2 wrote:Should be a penalty to Argentina. That's a tackle and he needs to roll away.

That’s what I said

by formerly known as Sam Fri 27 Oct - 21:41

No 7&1/2 wrote:Should be a penalty to Argentina. That's a tackle and he needs to roll away.

Referee a little lenient because the Argentina players pin him in I think.

by tigertattie Fri 27 Oct - 21:43

Ah the Arg fans have started the bogie flicking. They must feel things are starting to heat up

by Cumbrian Fri 27 Oct - 21:43

I can't think that Argentina can have too much cause to complain about the referee...

by No 7&1/2 Fri 27 Oct - 21:43

A generous assessment Sam!

by formerly known as Sam Fri 27 Oct - 21:45

No 7&1/2 wrote:A generous assessment Sam!

I was expecting a penalty against us. Berry also said "I think Blue still had possession" which maybe also played on his mind. Wasn't sure whether Ludlam stripped the ball or not.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 27 Oct - 21:45

Decision here. Corner surely.

by tigertattie Fri 27 Oct - 21:46

Should have gone for the win

by Heaf Fri 27 Oct - 21:47

Still time for Whitehouse to give them another match changing decision ...

by Scottrf Fri 27 Oct - 21:47

tigertattie wrote:England need to move on from Farrell.

And Borthwick.

by mountain man Fri 27 Oct - 21:49

If England do hold out and win I hope there's no big celebration at final whistle. Apart from first 15 mins they been poor.

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