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2024 T20 World Cup
First topic message reminder :
Just over a week away now from some glorious six-hitting in the cricketing heartlands of Barbados, Trinidad, Saint Lucia and, um, New York City.
England are defending the crown they won at the MCG in front of 80,000 people in November 2022. They'll probably be hoping it goes a bit better than their defence of the 50 over title! The tournament is, as T20 competitions are, very wide open. If England were to win it again they'd be the first men's team to win back to back World T20 titles in the history of the competition.
Chasing them keenly are the bookmakers favourites India, who are very, very thirsty because of a drought that has existed since 2013 in ICC tournaments. Australia will obviously be there or thereabouts, and there's plenty of excitement around the West Indies, twice winners of this competition, and how glorious it would be to see them lift a trophy at home.
Or perhaps South Africa will finally stop being Tottenham and actually win something? But it's T20. So it could be anyone. Ireland, Scotland, Uganda....USA?
I thought the format of the last couple of T20 World Cups was absolutely perfect. Naturally, then, the ICC have altered it for this year! So we've now got 20 teams, up from 16, and 55 matches in total, up from 45.
There's no preliminary round this time. All teams start off the same. Four groups of five teams. All play each other once. Top two in each group go through to the Super 8s. Super 8s is split into two groups of four. No points are carried over and all teams play each other once in the Super 8s. Top two in each Super 8 group go through to the semi-finals, from which it's a straight knockout. Means a team will play nine games if they are to lift the trophy, in comparison to England's seven games to win it in 2022.
One curious thing about the format, and the ICC love curious things (such as there being no reserve day for one semi-final), is that the finishing places in the initial group are seeded. For example, England are designated B1 in their group, and Australia are B2, which means that it's irrelevant if England come first or second. They will go through to Group 2 of the Super 8s regardless of finishing first or second. I suppose it guarantees certainty for fans, as they know where teams are playing after the initial group stage.
While I don't think it's been directly said, the draw was not a fair and open one. It took place behind closed doors and ensured India/Pakistan were in the same group, as well as some other long-standing rivalries, such as USA v Canada. I'm surprised the ICC didn't put India and Pakistan in the same Super 8 group as well! The groups are:
The fixture list is all over the place with timings, so try and keep up! If you're in the UK, games can start at 01:30, or they might begin at 18:00, and quite a few matches seem to overlap in the early stages.
The USA and Canada will be starting this one off in Texas. That's the most unlikely cricket sentence ever uttered.
Just over a week away now from some glorious six-hitting in the cricketing heartlands of Barbados, Trinidad, Saint Lucia and, um, New York City.
England are defending the crown they won at the MCG in front of 80,000 people in November 2022. They'll probably be hoping it goes a bit better than their defence of the 50 over title! The tournament is, as T20 competitions are, very wide open. If England were to win it again they'd be the first men's team to win back to back World T20 titles in the history of the competition.
Chasing them keenly are the bookmakers favourites India, who are very, very thirsty because of a drought that has existed since 2013 in ICC tournaments. Australia will obviously be there or thereabouts, and there's plenty of excitement around the West Indies, twice winners of this competition, and how glorious it would be to see them lift a trophy at home.
Or perhaps South Africa will finally stop being Tottenham and actually win something? But it's T20. So it could be anyone. Ireland, Scotland, Uganda....USA?
I thought the format of the last couple of T20 World Cups was absolutely perfect. Naturally, then, the ICC have altered it for this year! So we've now got 20 teams, up from 16, and 55 matches in total, up from 45.
There's no preliminary round this time. All teams start off the same. Four groups of five teams. All play each other once. Top two in each group go through to the Super 8s. Super 8s is split into two groups of four. No points are carried over and all teams play each other once in the Super 8s. Top two in each Super 8 group go through to the semi-finals, from which it's a straight knockout. Means a team will play nine games if they are to lift the trophy, in comparison to England's seven games to win it in 2022.
One curious thing about the format, and the ICC love curious things (such as there being no reserve day for one semi-final), is that the finishing places in the initial group are seeded. For example, England are designated B1 in their group, and Australia are B2, which means that it's irrelevant if England come first or second. They will go through to Group 2 of the Super 8s regardless of finishing first or second. I suppose it guarantees certainty for fans, as they know where teams are playing after the initial group stage.
While I don't think it's been directly said, the draw was not a fair and open one. It took place behind closed doors and ensured India/Pakistan were in the same group, as well as some other long-standing rivalries, such as USA v Canada. I'm surprised the ICC didn't put India and Pakistan in the same Super 8 group as well! The groups are:
- Groups:
- Group A: Canada, India (A1), Ireland, Pakistan (A2), USA
Group B: Australia (B2), England (B1), Namibia, Oman, Scotland
Group C: Afghanistan, New Zealand (C1), Papua New Guinea, Uganda, West Indies (C2)
Group D: Bangladesh, Nepal, Netherlands, South Africa (D1), Sri Lanka (D2)
Super 8s
Group 1: India, Australia, New Zealand, Sri Lanka
Group 2: Pakistan, England, West Indies, South Africa (presuming all goes to plan and no upsets happen!)
Another note: India will be playing in the second semi-final if they get there, because of TV times
The fixture list is all over the place with timings, so try and keep up! If you're in the UK, games can start at 01:30, or they might begin at 18:00, and quite a few matches seem to overlap in the early stages.
- Fixture List (All times BST):
- Sunday June 2
USA vs Canada - Grand Prairie, Texas (1.30am)
West Indies vs Papua New Guinea - Providence, Guyana (3.30pm)
Monday June 3
Namibia vs Oman - Bridgetown, Barbados (1.30am)
Sri Lanka vs South Africa - Long Island, New York (3.30pm)
Tuesday June 4
Afghanistan vs Uganda - Providence, Guyana (1.30am)
England vs Scotland - Bridgetown, Barbados (3.30pm)
Netherlands vs Nepal - Grand Prairie, Texas (4.30pm)
Wednesday June 5
India vs Ireland - Long Island, New York (3.30pm)
Thursday June 6
Papua New Guinea vs Uganda - Providence, Guyana (12.30am)
Australia vs Oman - Bridgetown, Barbados (1.30am)
USA vs Pakistan - Grand Prairie, Texas (4.30pm)
Namibia vs Scotland - Bridgetown, Barbados (8pm)
Friday June 7
Canada vs Ireland - Long Island, New York (3.30pm)
Saturday June 8
New Zealand vs Afghanistan - Providence, Guyana (12.30am)
Sri Lanka vs Bangladesh - Grand Prairie, Texas (1.30am)
Netherlands vs South Africa - Long Island, New York (3.30pm)
Australia vs England - Bridgetown, Barbados (6pm)
Sunday June 9
West Indies vs Uganda - Providence, Guyana (1.30am)
India vs Pakistan - Long Island, New York (3.30pm)
Oman vs Scotland - North Sound, Antigua (6pm)
Monday June 10
South Africa vs Bangladesh - Long Island, New York (3.30pm)
Tuesday June 11
Pakistan vs Canada - Long Island, New York (3.30pm)
Wednesday June 12
Sri Lanka vs Nepal - Lauderhill, Florida (12.30am)
Australia vs Namibia - North Sound, Antigua (1.30am)
USA vs India - Long Island, New York (3.30pm)
Thursday June 13
West Indies vs New Zealand - Tarouba, Trinidad and Tobago (1.30am)
Bangladesh vs Netherlands - Kingstown, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (3.30pm)
England vs Oman - North Sound, Antigua (8pm)
Friday June 14
Afghanistan vs Papua New Guinea - Tarouba, Trinidad and Tobago (1.30am)
USA vs Ireland - Lauderhill, Florida (3.30pm)
Saturday June 15
South Africa vs Nepal - Kingstown, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (12.30am)
New Zealand vs Uganda - Tarouba, Trinidad and Tobago (1.30am)
India vs Canada - Lauderhill, Florida (3.30pm)
Namibia vs England - North Sound, Antigua (6pm)
Sunday June 16
Australia vs Scotland - Gros Islet, Saint Lucia (1.30am)
Pakistan vs Ireland - Lauderhill, Florida (3.30pm)
Monday June 17
Bangladesh vs Nepal - Kingstown, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (12.30am)
Sri Lanka vs Netherlands - Gros Islet, Saint Lucia (1.30am)
New Zealand vs Papua New Guinea - Tarouba, Trinidad and Tobago (3.30pm)
Tuesday June 18
West Indies vs Afghanistan - Gros Islet, Saint Lucia (1.30am)
T20 World Cup - full Super 8s fixtures
Wednesday June 19
A2 vs D1 - North Sound, Antigua (3.30pm)
Thursday June 20
B1 vs C2 - Gros Islet, Saint Lucia (1.30am)
C1 vs A1 - Bridgetown, Barbados (3.30pm)
Friday June 21
B2 vs D2 - North Sound, Antigua (1.30am)
B1 vs D1 - Gros Islet, Saint Lucia (3.30pm)
Saturday June 22
A2 vs C2 - Bridgetown, Barbados (1.30am)
A1 vs D2 - North Sound, Antigua (3.30pm)
Sunday June 23
C1 vs B2 - Kingstown, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (1.30am)
A2 vs B1 - Bridgetown, Barbados (3.30pm)
Monday June 24
C2 vs D1 - North Sound, Antigua (1.30am)
B2 vs A1 - Gros Islet, Saint Lucia (3.30pm)
Tuesday June 25
C1 vs D2 - Kingstown, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (1.30am)
Knockout stages
Thursday June 27
Semi-final #1 - Tarouba, Trinidad and Tobago (1.30am)
Semi-final #2 - Providence, Guyana (3.30pm)
Saturday June 29
Final - Bridgetown, Barbados (3.30pm)
- Squads (Not yet finalised):
- Group A
Canada
Saad Bin Zafar (captain), Aaron Johnson, Dilon Heyliger, Dilpreet Bajwa, Harsh Thaker, Jeremy Gordon, Junaid Siddiqui, Kaleem Sana, Kanwarpal Tathgur, Navneet Dhaliwal, Nicholas Kirton, Pargat Singh, Ravinderpal Singh, Rayyankhan Pathan, Shreyas Movva.
Reserves: Tajinder Singh, Aaditya Varadharajan, Ammar Khalid, Jatinder Matharu, Parveen Kumar.
India
Rohit Sharma (captain), Yashasvi Jaiswal, Virat Kohli, Suryakumar Yadav, Rishabh Pant, Sanju Samson, Hardik Pandya, Shivam Dube, Ravindra Jadeja, Axar Patel, Kuldeep Yadav, Yuzvendra Chahal, Arshdeep Singh, Jasprit Bumrah, Mohammed Siraj.
Reserves: Shubman Gill, Rinku Singh, Khaleel Ahmed and Avesh Khan.
Ireland
Paul Stirling (captain), Mark Adair, Ross Adair, Andrew Balbirnie, Curtis Campher, Gareth Delany, George Dockrell, Graham Hume, Josh Little, Barry McCarthy, Neil Rock, Harry Tector, Lorcan Tucker, Ben White, Craig Young.
Pakistan
Yet to be announced
United States
Monank Patel (captain), Aaron Jones, Steven Taylor, Corey Anderson, Saurabh Netravalkar, Jessy Singh, Harmeet Singh, Nosthush Kenjige, Shadley Van Schalkwyk, Nitish Kumar, Andries Gous, Shayan Jahangir, Ali Khan, Nisarg Patel, Milind Kumar.
Reserves: Gajanand Singh, Juanoy Drysdale, Yasir Mohammad.
Group B
Australia
Mitchell Marsh (captain), Ashton Agar, Pat Cummins, Tim David, Nathan Ellis, Cameron Green, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Josh Inglis, Glenn Maxwell, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Stoinis, Matthew Wade, David Warner, Adam Zampa.
Reserves: Jake Fraser-McGurk, Matt Short.
England
Jos Buttler (captain), Moeen Ali, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow, Harry Brook, Sam Curran, Ben Duckett, Tom Hartley, Will Jacks, Chris Jordan, Liam Livingstone, Adil Rashid, Phil Salt, Reece Topley, Mark Wood.
Namibia
Gerhard Erasmus (captain), Zane Green, Michael Van Lingen, Dylan Leicher, Ruben Trumpelmann, Jack Brassell, Ben Shikongo, Tangeni Lungameni, Niko Davin, JJ Smit, Jan Frylinck, JP Kotze, David Wiese, Bernard Scholtz, Malan Kruger, PD Blignaut.
Oman
Aqib Ilyas (captain), Zeeshan Maqsood, Kashyap Prajapati, Pratik Athavale, Ayaan Khan, Shoaib Khan, Mohammad Nadeem, Naseem Khushi, Mehran Khan, Bilal Khan, Rafiullah, Kaleemullah, Fayyaz Butt, Shakeel Ahmad.
Reserves: Jatinder Singh, Samay Shrivastava, Sufyan Mehmood, Jay Odedra.
Scotland
Richie Berrington (captain), Matthew Cross, Brad Currie, Chris Greaves, Oli Hairs, Jack Jarvis, Michael Jones, Michael Leask, Brandon McMullen, George Munsey, Safyaan Sharif, Chris Sole, Charlie Tear, Mark Watt, Brad Wheal.
Group C
Afghanistan
Rashid Khan (captain), Noor Ahmad, Fazalhaq Farooqi, Rahmanullah Gurbaz, Naveen-ul-Haq, Mohammad Ishaq, Karim Janat, Nangyal Kharoti, Fareed Ahmad Malik, Gulbadin Naib, Mohammad Nabi, Azmatullah Omarzai, Mujeeb Ur Rahman, Ibrahim Zadran, Najibullah Zadran.
Reserves: Sediq Atal, Hazratullah Zazai, Saleem Safi.
New Zealand
Kane Williamson (captain), Finn Allen, Trent Boult, Michael Bracewell, Mark Chapman, Devon Conway, Lockie Ferguson, Matt Henry, Daryl Mitchell, Jimmy Neesham, Glenn Phillips, Rachin Ravindra, Mitchell Santner, Ish Sodhi, Tim Southee.
Reserve: Ben Sears.
Papua New Guinea
Assadollah Vala (captain), CJ Amini, Alei Nao, Chad Soper, Hila Vare, Hiri Hiri, Jack Gardner, John Kariko, Kabua Vagi Morea, Kipling Doriga, Lega Siaka, Norman Vanua, Sema Kamea, Sese Bau, Tony Ura.
Uganda
Brian Masaba (captain), Simon Ssesazi, Roger Mukasa, Cosmas Kyewuta, Dinesh Nakrani, Fred Achelam, Kenneth Waiswa, Alpesh Ramjani, Frank Nsubuga, Henry Ssenyondo, Bilal Hassun, Robinson Obuya, Riazat Ali Shah, Juma Miyaji, Ronak Patel.
Reserves: Innocent Mwebaze, Ronald Lutaaya
West Indies
Rovman Powell (captain), Alzarri Joseph, Johnson Charles, Roston Chase, Shimron Hetmyer, Jason Holder, Shai Hope, Akeal Hossain, Shamar Joseph, Brandon King, Gudakesh Motie, Nicholas Pooran, Andre Russell, Sherfane Rutherford, Romario Shepherd.
Group D
Bangladesh
Najmul Hossain Shanto (captain), Taskin Ahmed, Litton Das, Soumya Sarkar, Tanzid Hasan Tamim, Shakib Al Hasan, Tawhid Hridoy, Mahmudullah, Jaker Ali Anik, Tanvir Islam, Mahedi Hasan, Rishad Hossain, Mustafizur Rahman, Shoriful Islam, Tanzim Hasan Sakib.
Reserves: Afif Hossain, Hasan Mahmud.
Nepal
Rohit Paudel (captain), Aasif Sheikh, Anil Kumar Sah, Kushal Bhurtel, Kushal Malla, Dipendra Singh Airee, Lalit Rajbanshi, Karan KC, Gulshan Jha, Sompal Kami, Pratis GC, Sundeep Jora, Abinash Bohara, Sagar Dhakal, Kamal Singh Airee.
Netherlands
Scott Edwards (captain), Aryan Dutt, Bas de Leede, Daniel Doram, Fred Klaassen, Logan van Beek, Max O’Dowd, Michael Levitt, Paul van Meekeren, Sybrand Engelbrecht, Teja Nidamanuru, Tim Pringle, Vikram Singh, Viv Kingma, Wesley Barresi.
Reserve: Kyle Klein
South Africa
Aiden Markram (captain), Ottniel Baartman, Gerald Coetzee, Quinton de Kock, Bjorn Fortuin, Reeza Hendricks, Marco Jansen, Heinrich Klaasen, Keshav Maharaj, David Miller, Anrich Nortje, Kagiso Rabada, Ryan Rickelton, Tabraiz Shamsi, Tristan Stubbs.
Reserves: Nandre Burger and Lungi Ngidi.
Sri Lanka
Wanindu Hasaranga (captain), Charith Asalanka (vc), Kusal Mendis, Pathum Nissanka, Kamindu Mendis, Sadeera Samarawickrama, Angelo Mathews, Dasun Shanaka, Dhananjaya De Silva, Maheesh Theekshana, Dunith Wellalage, Dushmantha Chameera, Nuwan Thushara, Matheesha Pathirana, and Dilshan Madushanka
Reserves: Asitha Fernando, Vijayakanth Viyaskanth, Bhanuka Rajapaksa, and Janith Liyanage.
- Outright Odds (Bet365):
- India 11/4; Australia 7/2; England 9/2; South Africa 6/1; West Indies 9/1; New Zealand 10/1; Pakistan 12/1; Afghanistan 33/1; Sri Lanka 33/1; Bangladesh 80/1; Ireland 200/1; Netherlands 250/1; Namibia 400/1; PNG 500/1; Scotland 500/1; USA 750/1; Nepal 1000/1; Oman 1000/1; Canada 1000/1; Uganda 1500/1.
The USA and Canada will be starting this one off in Texas. That's the most unlikely cricket sentence ever uttered.
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India needed that. Still too close to call.
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South Africa nudging ahead, but two overs left for Bumrah.
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kuldeep's been too full or too short.....SA driving their chase well....on RRR of the start
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Full Beast mode on Klalssen takes the game away
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Wow! What an over. 24!
Klassen has surely played the winning hand.
Klassen has surely played the winning hand.
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Oh dear Axar got murdered then...think Klaasen has almost settled this for SA. Bumrah needs a hat trick...
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SA are going to have to SA the Poopie out of this...
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Should have brought Bumrah an over earlier
BUT
can't complain, no one expected Klassen to go after Axar like that
BUT
can't complain, no one expected Klassen to go after Axar like that
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Very different pitch from the semi. Indian spinners not able to produce the same menace so it looks as if 176 might have been fractionally light .Bumrah only one over left SA aren't choking today surely ?
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26 from 24, six wickets left.
We're all thinking how will SA mess this up?![Laugh](/users/3014/26/22/82/smiles/810156456.jpg)
We're all thinking how will SA mess this up?
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But who knows ? Klaasen gone...
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klassen falls...but only a horrible choke can lose this for SA
normally they should win with an over to spare
normally they should win with an over to spare
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Well that's Klassen.
With victory so close, does one of Jansen/Miller swing for the fences and try to kill it off early?
With victory so close, does one of Jansen/Miller swing for the fences and try to kill it off early?
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Bumrah, Pandya and Deep shud be the next 3 overs
i hope
i hope
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One more tight over and SA will feel the squeeze. Think you gotta bowl out bumrah now
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Bumrah delivers once more!
Feeling a bit like the reverse of Eng/SA. England had that one won with a big over, then lost wickets and the RRR got too big. Might happen to SA. Suddenly they need around 10 an over, not many wickets left.
Can Miller get them over the line?
Feeling a bit like the reverse of Eng/SA. England had that one won with a big over, then lost wickets and the RRR got too big. Might happen to SA. Suddenly they need around 10 an over, not many wickets left.
Can Miller get them over the line?
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2 run and 1 wkt off 18th..."The Bumraah" is not a man
a Superman
20 off 12
a Superman
20 off 12
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Don't think they should have taken that single at the end.
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Think they have SA'd this. Miller stuck watching
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16 from 6. Wow. SA have scored 10 from the last 18 balls.
Miller or bust. Miller v Hardik for the trophy.
Miller or bust. Miller v Hardik for the trophy.
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How this has swung around ! Last over.. has Miller got some magic ?
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Deep gets away with a good over
Game has slipped in Ind's favor again...16 off the final over
Pandya will surely bowl.....India need to giive a single to Miller first ball
Game has slipped in Ind's favor again...16 off the final over
Pandya will surely bowl.....India need to giive a single to Miller first ball
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catches win matches....has SKY pulled that one off
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The greatest catch has surely won it.
South Africa have done a South Africa. A very strong position has slipped away.
Checking...it's fine!
South Africa have done a South Africa. A very strong position has slipped away.
Checking...it's fine!
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This is an epic choke. Of course they are facing some good bowling, but you have to win from the position they were in
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30 from 30 with two set to this.
SA might be cursed
SA might be cursed
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stunner...give the match situation and the consequence of not pulling that off
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Great catch and SA once again have surely fallen at the last fence ... game of inches.
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Congratulations India ! Great match for us neutrals and a well deserved trophy. So near and yet so far for SA ..
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That's it. India win their second T20 World Cup and end 11 years since their last major ICC trophy. The best team overall, so richly deserved. But SA will be pondering for a long time how they lost from 26 off 24 with six wickets left.
A superb catch, a special Kohli knock aided by Axar, and incredible spells from Arshdeep, Pandya and, of course, Bumrah. All getting India there today.![clap](/users/3014/26/22/82/smiles/1710857839.gif)
A superb catch, a special Kohli knock aided by Axar, and incredible spells from Arshdeep, Pandya and, of course, Bumrah. All getting India there today.
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Win the toss
Bat first, runs on board, let the chaser contend with pressure
Bumrah the Superman
Catches win matches
SKY took mother of all catches
SA choked the mother of all chokes
India got out of JAIL
Rohit, Dravid Kohi win a world cup in their last effort
Bat first, runs on board, let the chaser contend with pressure
Bumrah the Superman
Catches win matches
SKY took mother of all catches
SA choked the mother of all chokes
India got out of JAIL
Rohit, Dravid Kohi win a world cup in their last effort
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Congrats to SA and commiserations to India. India have managed some reasonable chokes in recent years but have to respect SA's ability to pull an elite-level choke out of absolutely nowhere when the chips aren't down. They're in some pretty good company now, I'd probably put them 4th after Sophocles, Attila the Huna and Jimi Hendrix.
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It was so bad that even Jimmy White could be heard shouting "bottlers" at the TV
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I heard Tim Henman and Colin Montgomerie were also furious.
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Re: 2024 T20 World Cup
After a see-saw of emotions, despair, celebrations congratulations from friends, relatives, non-related, it still seems surreal.
30 off 30 and 6 in hand and 100s of millions sighed and gave it up......"so near yet again"
And then that unbelievable dream sequence of 4 overs Bumrah-Pandya-Bumrah-Arshdeep and SA had worked themselves to 16 off last over.
It went so fast & with mind still in despair that it literally took pinching oneself to believe that SA have slipped to a point where it would require a miracle to pull off 16.
Miller tried but his miracle was cut off by that super miraculous catch...and then SA sank in disbelief, shock horror.
Feel sad for them.
Very happy for Kohli, Dravid and Rohit to have a world-cup...after many efforts as captain & coach.
Kohli & Rohit are unlikely to be there in 2027, Dravid couldn't have imagined a better last game as coach.
The enormit will take time to sink and these moments will be played over and over again.
The tournament itself saw more close games than I can remember in a world cup for a long time...and great finish as an Indian fan
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30 off 30 and 6 in hand and 100s of millions sighed and gave it up......"so near yet again"
And then that unbelievable dream sequence of 4 overs Bumrah-Pandya-Bumrah-Arshdeep and SA had worked themselves to 16 off last over.
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It went so fast & with mind still in despair that it literally took pinching oneself to believe that SA have slipped to a point where it would require a miracle to pull off 16.
Miller tried but his miracle was cut off by that super miraculous catch...and then SA sank in disbelief, shock horror.
Feel sad for them.
Very happy for Kohli, Dravid and Rohit to have a world-cup...after many efforts as captain & coach.
Kohli & Rohit are unlikely to be there in 2027, Dravid couldn't have imagined a better last game as coach.
The enormit will take time to sink and these moments will be played over and over again.
The tournament itself saw more close games than I can remember in a world cup for a long time...and great finish as an Indian fan
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You can bask in the warm glow of this one , KP_fan
Really was a dominant display throughout the event from India , and they were indeed the most deserving of winners. Even more laudable , really that they had to pull it out of the fire at the death. TBH I thought they were gone after 16 overs ; but Bumrah produced some magic - and Arshdeep , who sometimes looked a bit of a risky option , performed admirably at the crucial time. Not sure Hardik could have defended , say , ten in the last...but hey he got the wickets ... Credit to Rohit for staying calm in a tense finish and trusting his main weapon at the right times
And good to see Kohli sign off his white ball career in such style after a very thin WC.
Enjoy !
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Really was a dominant display throughout the event from India , and they were indeed the most deserving of winners. Even more laudable , really that they had to pull it out of the fire at the death. TBH I thought they were gone after 16 overs ; but Bumrah produced some magic - and Arshdeep , who sometimes looked a bit of a risky option , performed admirably at the crucial time. Not sure Hardik could have defended , say , ten in the last...but hey he got the wickets ... Credit to Rohit for staying calm in a tense finish and trusting his main weapon at the right times
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And good to see Kohli sign off his white ball career in such style after a very thin WC.
Enjoy !
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Re: 2024 T20 World Cup
Must be such a comforting feeling to play the Proteas in a knock out match, chances of the inevitable choke is real. Almost as certain as the fact that the man on the moon is a myth.
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Duty281 wrote:Player Ratings for England
Buttler 7.5/10. Not the dominating figure we like to see, but not the disaster he was in the previous fifty over World Cup. Biggest score was against the Americans, got starts in most other innings but failed to kick on. Extra half a point for good keeping.
Salt 8/10. Played a leading role in England's only win over a top nation, and set up the chase v Australia, but did little outside of those games. Strike rate of 159 was England's best.
Bairstow 4/10. Out cheaply in three games, the only saving grace being his 48* v the West Indies. Nowhere near his aggressive, destructive best. Time for retirement.
Moeen 2/10. One day, we'll know how Moeen has such a strange hold over the England hierarchy. His abilities are vastly inflated by the top brass in all formats. This tournament Moeen frequently batted above Brook, and his scores took on a symmetry as they got lower and lower with each passing innings, going from OK to bad. Also bowled a few overs sparingly.
Brook 8/10. Difficult to rate. He has been managed by a bunch of clowns. He came out at 6 v Australia and 5 v South Africa. He would have probably led England to victory over SA, thus avoiding the India SF, if he came out at 4. Couldn't do anything about the India defeat, again coming out at 5, which was too low.
Jacks 1/10. Probably remembered for a 22 run over...that he bowled, rather than batted, alas. That sealed his fate as England panicked and adjusted the balance.
Livingstone 6/10. Bowled a few tidy overs, but was wrongly chosen to bowl v the West Indies, which cost 20. Had one good innings v SA, but little other chances to exhibit his batting prowess. Might be on borrowed time because he's up to 48 T20is now and we still haven't seen the best of him, or really understand what his role is.
Curran 1.5/10. Came back for the balance, didn't replicate 2022. Tournament bowling figures of 12-0-115-3 says it all I think. Not much chance with the bat either.
Jordan 2.5/10. Might seem harsh, but his figures are massaged heavily by the USA game, and full credit for the hattrick. But went for over 12 an over v India, and 11 an over v Australia, in the games that were true tests. Picked up a lot of cheap wickets against batsmen on the slog. Most expensive bowler for England.
Rashid 8.5/10. Ah, was this the end? Another fine tournament for his Rashidness, who I think is England's greatest ever limited overs bowler. Only blemish in this tournament was the 1/41 v Australia. Otherwise he was typical Rashid, with 1/25 v India, 1/20 v South Africa, and 1/21 v West Indies. Tournament economy under 7 and England's joint leading wicket taker.
Archer 8/10. Didn't strike in the PowerPlay as often as England would have wanted, but he was a consistent wicket taker and England's second most miserly quick. Great to see him back.
Topley 7/10. Tough to rate. On the one hand, very cheap, on the other, just two wickets in 18 overs. The best teams need strikes in those PowerPlay overs and Topley didn't deliver on this front. But he didn't give much away, either.
Wood 1.5/10. Went wicketless and at about 11/12 an over in the three games v test opponents. Minor redemption to his figures with 3/12 v Oman (worth half a point that). Has had a really tough run for the last nine months in all formats.
Duckett N/A. Didn't play. Was worth a shot considering his left handedness and Bairstow not doing much.
Hartley N/A. Didn't play. But didn't expect him to. A baffling selection. Still don't understand it.
Mott 0/10. Time to go. English limited overs cricket needs a rebuild towards the next major ICC trophy (which is early next year, there's one every year!) and Mott isn't the man to do it. Made numerous strange calls for this tournament. Why is Moeen a 3/4? Why was Bairstow not dropped? Why was Brook so low? Why was Hartley picked? Why was the balance bowling heavy when extra batting was required? Why did Duckett not play? This failure follows straight on from the last one. And, yes, it is a failure. I know some might look at it and say, 'semi-finals, that's not bad'. But England's record v the top nations was 1-3, with two big defeats. The only notable victory was over the West Indies.
Hi Duty - belated thanks (been away a couple of days) for your scores on the doors with a couple of quick comments.
Very much with your ratings. Just the odd confirmation or quibble.
You're completely right to lambast Mott and highlight that, regardless of reaching the semi-finals, we lost 3-1 to the four top nations we played. In particular, I wasn't surprised or upset by our loss to India but was appalled at the manner of the defeat. Some very poor cricket and decisions in that game.
Following on from the above, I feel that Buttler - or, at least, his captaincy - belongs in the mix with Mott and thus his (Buttler's) rating from you is too high. Even if you put all the poor tactical decisions down to Mott, I would still downgrade Buttler for not challenging him more effectively.
The other player I thought a bit too high was Archer. Great to see him back as you said but I did wonder if your delight in that over inflated his rating. It may be unfair to compare him to a Superman but if we say Bumrah is a 10 (and surely everyone would), can we truly say Archer is only 2 digits below? A 6.5 or a top ceiling of 7 would be more like it for me. Add to that, his fielding did him and us few favours across the tournament whilst his part in Livi's run out against India was the final nail in the coffin.
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Re: 2024 T20 World Cup
guildfordbat wrote:Duty281 wrote:Player Ratings for England
Buttler 7.5/10. Not the dominating figure we like to see, but not the disaster he was in the previous fifty over World Cup. Biggest score was against the Americans, got starts in most other innings but failed to kick on. Extra half a point for good keeping.
Salt 8/10. Played a leading role in England's only win over a top nation, and set up the chase v Australia, but did little outside of those games. Strike rate of 159 was England's best.
Bairstow 4/10. Out cheaply in three games, the only saving grace being his 48* v the West Indies. Nowhere near his aggressive, destructive best. Time for retirement.
Moeen 2/10. One day, we'll know how Moeen has such a strange hold over the England hierarchy. His abilities are vastly inflated by the top brass in all formats. This tournament Moeen frequently batted above Brook, and his scores took on a symmetry as they got lower and lower with each passing innings, going from OK to bad. Also bowled a few overs sparingly.
Brook 8/10. Difficult to rate. He has been managed by a bunch of clowns. He came out at 6 v Australia and 5 v South Africa. He would have probably led England to victory over SA, thus avoiding the India SF, if he came out at 4. Couldn't do anything about the India defeat, again coming out at 5, which was too low.
Jacks 1/10. Probably remembered for a 22 run over...that he bowled, rather than batted, alas. That sealed his fate as England panicked and adjusted the balance.
Livingstone 6/10. Bowled a few tidy overs, but was wrongly chosen to bowl v the West Indies, which cost 20. Had one good innings v SA, but little other chances to exhibit his batting prowess. Might be on borrowed time because he's up to 48 T20is now and we still haven't seen the best of him, or really understand what his role is.
Curran 1.5/10. Came back for the balance, didn't replicate 2022. Tournament bowling figures of 12-0-115-3 says it all I think. Not much chance with the bat either.
Jordan 2.5/10. Might seem harsh, but his figures are massaged heavily by the USA game, and full credit for the hattrick. But went for over 12 an over v India, and 11 an over v Australia, in the games that were true tests. Picked up a lot of cheap wickets against batsmen on the slog. Most expensive bowler for England.
Rashid 8.5/10. Ah, was this the end? Another fine tournament for his Rashidness, who I think is England's greatest ever limited overs bowler. Only blemish in this tournament was the 1/41 v Australia. Otherwise he was typical Rashid, with 1/25 v India, 1/20 v South Africa, and 1/21 v West Indies. Tournament economy under 7 and England's joint leading wicket taker.
Archer 8/10. Didn't strike in the PowerPlay as often as England would have wanted, but he was a consistent wicket taker and England's second most miserly quick. Great to see him back.
Topley 7/10. Tough to rate. On the one hand, very cheap, on the other, just two wickets in 18 overs. The best teams need strikes in those PowerPlay overs and Topley didn't deliver on this front. But he didn't give much away, either.
Wood 1.5/10. Went wicketless and at about 11/12 an over in the three games v test opponents. Minor redemption to his figures with 3/12 v Oman (worth half a point that). Has had a really tough run for the last nine months in all formats.
Duckett N/A. Didn't play. Was worth a shot considering his left handedness and Bairstow not doing much.
Hartley N/A. Didn't play. But didn't expect him to. A baffling selection. Still don't understand it.
Mott 0/10. Time to go. English limited overs cricket needs a rebuild towards the next major ICC trophy (which is early next year, there's one every year!) and Mott isn't the man to do it. Made numerous strange calls for this tournament. Why is Moeen a 3/4? Why was Bairstow not dropped? Why was Brook so low? Why was Hartley picked? Why was the balance bowling heavy when extra batting was required? Why did Duckett not play? This failure follows straight on from the last one. And, yes, it is a failure. I know some might look at it and say, 'semi-finals, that's not bad'. But England's record v the top nations was 1-3, with two big defeats. The only notable victory was over the West Indies.
Hi Duty - belated thanks (been away a couple of days) for your scores on the doors with a couple of quick comments.
Very much with your ratings. Just the odd confirmation or quibble.
You're completely right to lambast Mott and highlight that, regardless of reaching the semi-finals, we lost 3-1 to the four top nations we played. In particular, I wasn't surprised or upset by our loss to India but was appalled at the manner of the defeat. Some very poor cricket and decisions in that game.
Following on from the above, I feel that Buttler - or, at least, his captaincy - belongs in the mix with Mott and thus his (Buttler's) rating from you is too high. Even if you put all the poor tactical decisions down to Mott, I would still downgrade Buttler for not challenging him more effectively.
The other player I thought a bit too high was Archer. Great to see him back as you said but I did wonder if your delight in that over inflated his rating. It may be unfair to compare him to a Superman but if we say Bumrah is a 10 (and surely everyone would), can we truly say Archer is only 2 digits below? A 6.5 or a top ceiling of 7 would be more like it for me. Add to that, his fielding did him and us few favours across the tournament whilst his part in Livi's run out against India was the final nail in the coffin.
The thing is that Bumrah doesn't rate a 10 on the normal scale as applied to humans, he's somewhere around a 12. Going around a run a ball and picking up a handful of wickets is a 10 in T20. 15 wickets at 8.5 and an economy rate only a little over 4, and 2-18 off 4 in the final including a match-defining over late on...I don't think even Akram at his best was as good a limited overs bowler.
Oh, and I've just seen a YouTube of the SKY catch of Miller(?) -Should have been a 6, not out as he just brushes the boundary sponge, but it's not clear SA would have got the runs anyway. The crazy thing is that they were down to needing less than a run a ball and 6 wickets left - just needed to nudge and nurdle 1s and 2s to claim the trophy. Lack of big game awareness...
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