P4P British and World

This is just my opinion

P4P list
1.Manny Pacquiao - 51-3-2, 38KOs
2. Sergio Martinez 46-2-2, 25KOs
3.Juan M. Marquez - 51-5-1, 37KOs
4.Nonito Donaire - 24-1, 16KOs
5.Wladimir Klitscko 56-3-0, 49 KOs
6.Bernard Hopkins 51-5-1, 32KOs
7.Pong.Wonjongkam 78-3-1, 42 KOs
8.Giovani Segura 26-1-1, 22 KOs
9.Miguel Cotto - 35-2, 28KOs
10.Andre Ward - 23-0, 13 KOs
11.Yuriorkis Gamboa - 20-0 16KOs
12.Carl Froch - 28-1 20KOs
13.Amir Khan - 26-1 18KOs
14.Lucian Bute - 28-0 23KOs
15.Timothy Bradley - 27-0 11KOs

British P4P
1. Carl Froch 28-1, 20KOs
2. Amir Khan 25-1, 17KOs
3. David Haye 25-2, 23KOs
4. Nathan Cleverly 22-0, 11KOs
5. Ricky Burns 31-2, 8KOs
6. Kell Brook 24-0, 16KOs
7. Matthew Macklin 28-3, 19KOs
8. Darren Barker 23-0, 14KOs
9. Rendall Munroe 23-2, 9KOs
10. Kevin Mitchel 31-1, 18KOs
11. Ryan Rhodes 45-5, 31KOs
12. John Murray 30-0, 18KOs
13. Tyson Fury 15-0, 10KOs
14. George Groves 13-0, 10KOs
15. David Price 11-0, 9KOs


p.s - Why isn't there a boxing ranking page like there was in the old 606

Come September there'll be a rift nearish the top... FMJ :P

I'd wait until Khan beats Judah (which I think he will) before slotting him above Haye. Further down the British list, Barker simply has to be there, certainly ahead of Murray for my money. I've never been sold on him and I'm convinced that he'll lose to Mitchell next week. Chisora is probably too high as well.

As for the world list, the top four is set in stone, with positions two to four all pretty much interchangeable. Not sure Cotto is top ten worthy given his last few fights - Yuriorkis Gamboa should certainly be there. Can't say that I agree with your placing of Ward inside the top ten, either. Given their respective achievements over the last two or three years, I think Froch and Bradley would be better candidates.

Off the top of my head, the Brits: 1) Carl Froch 2) David Haye 3) Amir Khan 4) Nathan Cleverly 5) Kell Brook 6) Ricky Burns 7) Matthew Macklin 8.) Darren Barker 9) Rendall Munroe 10) David Price

World: 1) Manny Pacquiao 2) Nonito Donaire 3) Juan Manuel Marquez 4) Sergio Martinez 5) Ponsaklek Wonjongkam 6) Yuriorkis Gamboa 7) Wladimir Klitschko 8.) Giovanni Segura 9) Bernard Hopkins 10) Tim Bradley

Mind you, ask me again tomorrow and the chances are at least one or two positions across those lists would have changed.

In the unlikely event that Barker takes Martinez where would he rank in the P4P rankings you reckon?

AlexHuckerby wrote:In the unlikely event that Barker takes Martinez where would he rank in the P4P rankings you reckon?

Not sure who this was directed to, AH, but ah well, I'll give it a go.

Difficult to say where Barker would slot in the world scheme of things, as that would be his only notable win at the highest level. Would perhaps give him a top twenty spot, although he'd be at the very, very low end of that. On the Brit scene though, you'd have to stick him at four behind Froch, Khan and Haye if that were to happen. Maybe even as high as third.

munroe ahead of murray?
yes hes had a title shot, but thats about it.

OasisBFC wrote:munroe ahead of murray?
yes hes had a title shot, but thats about it.

Sorry Oasis, just don't rate Murray all that highly. Let's not forget that Munroe beat a number one contender to earn his crack at a title - who is the highest ranked fighter Murray has faced, so far? Munroe may have lost his title shot but he gave a decent account of himself against a good champion. I highly doubt that Murray could perform like that against the likes of Marquez or Guerrero, and to be honest I don't even see him beating Mitchell.

Maybe I'm wrong, but Murray just hasn't ever really impressed me.

Proven at Euro level and had the world title shot, probably just slightly nicks him...

88Chris05 wrote:

OasisBFC wrote:munroe ahead of murray?
yes hes had a title shot, but thats about it.

Sorry Oasis, just don't rate Murray all that highly. Let's not forget that Munroe beat a number one contender to earn his crack at a title - who is the highest ranked fighter Murray has faced, so far? Munroe may have lost his title shot but he gave a decent account of himself against a good champion. I highly doubt that Murray could perform like that against the likes of Marquez or Guerrero, and to be honest I don't even see him beating Mitchell.

Maybe I'm wrong, but Murray just hasn't ever really impressed me.

I could maybe see him taking Mitchell if the desire has truly gone for Mitchell however.

88Chris05 wrote:I'd wait until Khan beats Judah (which I think he will) before slotting him above Haye. Further down the British list, Barker simply has to be there, certainly ahead of Murray for my money. I've never been sold on him and I'm convinced that he'll lose to Mitchell next week. Chisora is probably too high as well.

As for the world list, the top four is set in stone, with positions two to four all pretty much interchangeable. Not sure Cotto is top ten worthy given his last few fights - Yuriorkis Gamboa should certainly be there. Can't say that I agree with your placing of Ward inside the top ten, either. Given their respective achievements over the last two or three years, I think Froch and Bradley would be better candidates.

Off the top of my head, the Brits: 1) Carl Froch 2) David Haye 3) Amir Khan 4) Nathan Cleverly 5) Kell Brook 6) Ricky Burns 7) Matthew Macklin 8.) Darren Barker 9) Rendall Munroe 10) David Price

World: 1) Manny Pacquiao 2) Nonito Donaire 3) Juan Manuel Marquez 4) Sergio Martinez 5) Ponsaklek Wonjongkam 6) Yuriorkis Gamboa 7) Wladimir Klitschko 8.) Giovanni Segura 9) Bernard Hopkins 10) Tim Bradley

Mind you, ask me again tomorrow and the chances are at least one or two positions across those lists would have changed.

World: 1) Manny Pacquiao 2) Nonito Donaire 3) Juan Manuel Marquez 4) Sergio Martinez 5) Ponsaklek Wonjongkam 6) Yuriorkis Gamboa 7) Wladimir Klitschko 8.) Giovanni Segura 9) Bernard Hopkins 10) Tim Bradley
This list is what i first had (except Klitchsko and Wonjongkam opposite) and gamboa at 8, but i changed it i think a top 15 would be better

AlexHuckerby wrote:In the unlikely event that Barker takes Martinez where would he rank in the P4P rankings you reckon?

Top 25, but depends if its a schooling or one punch KO

KO-KING wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:In the unlikely event that Barker takes Martinez where would he rank in the P4P rankings you reckon?

Top 25, but depends if its a schooling or one punch KO

Yeah I suppose, but you can't discredit him even if it is a one punch job...

He's a good fighter proven himself at Domestic/Euro level, and first time at World Level at the very best MW at the moment beating him could give him a major confidence boost. In the sense that he could go on and become a top MW fighter.

AlexHuckerby wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:In the unlikely event that Barker takes Martinez where would he rank in the P4P rankings you reckon?

Top 25, but depends if its a schooling or one punch KO

Yeah I suppose, but you can't discredit him even if it is a one punch job...

He's a good fighter proven himself at Domestic/Euro level, and first time at World Level at the very best MW at the moment beating him could give him a major confidence boost. In the sense that he could go on and become a top MW fighter.

If he beats him he is already a top MW fighter, Highly unlikely though, no disrespect Barker but i think Dzinzuruk was a better fighter than him.

OasisBFC wrote:munroe ahead of murray?
yes hes had a title shot, but thats about it.

Similar level but as you said he has fought and gone 12 in a world title fight

KO-KING wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:In the unlikely event that Barker takes Martinez where would he rank in the P4P rankings you reckon?

Top 25, but depends if its a schooling or one punch KO

Yeah I suppose, but you can't discredit him even if it is a one punch job...

He's a good fighter proven himself at Domestic/Euro level, and first time at World Level at the very best MW at the moment beating him could give him a major confidence boost. In the sense that he could go on and become a top MW fighter.

If he beats him he is already a top MW fighter, Highly unlikely though, no disrespect Barker but i think Dzinzuruk was a better fighter than him.

You know what I mean noticed as a major player.

AlexHuckerby wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:In the unlikely event that Barker takes Martinez where would he rank in the P4P rankings you reckon?

Top 25, but depends if its a schooling or one punch KO

Yeah I suppose, but you can't discredit him even if it is a one punch job...

He's a good fighter proven himself at Domestic/Euro level, and first time at World Level at the very best MW at the moment beating him could give him a major confidence boost. In the sense that he could go on and become a top MW fighter.

If he beats him he is already a top MW fighter, Highly unlikely though, no disrespect Barker but i think Dzinzuruk was a better fighter than him.

You know what I mean noticed as a major player.

Yeah but most(idiots) will probably say it was martinez getting exposed or bad night and won't give barker credit

Why isn't there a boxing ranking page like there was in the old 606

10.Darren Barker 23-0, 14KOs
11.Kevin Mitchel 31-1, 18KOs
12. Ryan Rhodes 45-5, 31KOs
13. John Murray 30-0, 18KOs
14. George Groves 13-0, 10KOs
15. David Price 11-0, 9KOs

After Mitchel v Murray

If froch Beats Ward, Khan beats Judah then Bradley who do you guys have as the no.1 P4P british fighter?

Froch - think that Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Ward would outshine Kotelnik, Salita, Maidana, McCloskey, Judah, Bradley as championship level victims. Not by a mile, mind, but clearly enough.

captain carrantuohil wrote:Froch - think that Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Ward would outshine Kotelnik, Salita, Maidana, McCloskey, Judah, Bradley as championship level victims. Not by a mile, mind, but clearly enough.

1-Bradley - Ward = Same
2-Dirrell
3-Maidana
4-Judah
5-Kotelnik - Pascal = Same
6-Johnson
7-Pauli
8-Abraham
9-Taylor
10-McCloskey
11-Salita

In my opinion, Khan will have Ring Froch won't (Bute), Too close to call in my opinion and either way i wouldn't complain

I'd go

Bradley - Ward - Pascal - Maidana - Judah - Johnson - Paulie - Kotelnik - Abraham - Taylor - McC - salita

IMO

Changes all the time my own but here goes

British
1. Froch
2. Haye
3. Khan
4. Cleverly
5. Burns
6. Macklin
7. Mitchell
8. Brook
9. Munroe
10.Barker

World
1. Pacquiao
2. Martinez
3. Donaire
4. Wlad
5. Froch
6. Ward
7. Bradley
8. Hopkins
9.Marquez
10.Vitali

KO-KING wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Froch - think that Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Ward would outshine Kotelnik, Salita, Maidana, McCloskey, Judah, Bradley as championship level victims. Not by a mile, mind, but clearly enough.

1-Bradley - Ward = Same
2-Dirrell
3-Maidana
4-Kotelnik
5-Judah
6-Johnson - Pascal = Same
7-Pauli
8-Abraham
9-Taylor
10-McCloskey
11-Salita

In my opinion, Khan will have Ring Froch won't (Bute), Too close to call in my opinion and either way i wouldn't complain

Is that the order of how you view there wins? Pascal is miles better than Dirrell, Maidana, Kotelnik, Judah, Judah doesn't have a win anywhere close to Pascal's over Dawson.

KO-KING wrote:If froch Beats Ward, Khan beats Judah then Bradley who do you guys have as the no.1 P4P british fighter?

Froch by a whisker, i think he still has the better resume overall.

Young_Towzer wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Froch - think that Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Ward would outshine Kotelnik, Salita, Maidana, McCloskey, Judah, Bradley as championship level victims. Not by a mile, mind, but clearly enough.

1-Bradley - Ward = Same
2-Dirrell
3-Maidana
4-Kotelnik
5-Judah
6-Johnson - Pascal = Same
7-Pauli
8-Abraham
9-Taylor
10-McCloskey
11-Salita

In my opinion, Khan will have Ring Froch won't (Bute), Too close to call in my opinion and either way i wouldn't complain

Is that the order of how you view there wins? Pascal is miles better than Dirrell, Maidana, Kotelnik, Judah, Judah doesn't have a win anywhere close to Pascal's over Dawson.

Pascal was green when he fought Froch and He beat Dawson at a weight above, Dirrell and Maidana are better than Pascal(vs Froch)

KO-KING wrote:

Young_Towzer wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Froch - think that Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Ward would outshine Kotelnik, Salita, Maidana, McCloskey, Judah, Bradley as championship level victims. Not by a mile, mind, but clearly enough.

1-Bradley - Ward = Same
2-Dirrell
3-Maidana
4-Kotelnik
5-Judah
6-Johnson - Pascal = Same
7-Pauli
8-Abraham
9-Taylor
10-McCloskey
11-Salita

In my opinion, Khan will have Ring Froch won't (Bute), Too close to call in my opinion and either way i wouldn't complain

Is that the order of how you view there wins? Pascal is miles better than Dirrell, Maidana, Kotelnik, Judah, Judah doesn't have a win anywhere close to Pascal's over Dawson.

Pascal was green when he fought Froch and He beat Dawson at a weight above, Dirrell and Maidana are better than Pascal(vs Froch)

No, Maidana's overrated, i like watching his fights and he's an animal, but he got a jackpot win when Ortiz showed weakness, he got his head boxed off by Morales fighting the heaviest title weight of his career and lost to Kotelnik. Not in Pascal's league

Maidana is not a better win than Pascal, he was a good test for Khan but lets not go overboard with this

Young_Towzer wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Young_Towzer wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Froch - think that Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Ward would outshine Kotelnik, Salita, Maidana, McCloskey, Judah, Bradley as championship level victims. Not by a mile, mind, but clearly enough.

1-Bradley - Ward = Same
2-Dirrell
3-Maidana
4-Kotelnik
5-Judah
6-Johnson - Pascal = Same
7-Pauli
8-Abraham
9-Taylor
10-McCloskey
11-Salita

In my opinion, Khan will have Ring Froch won't (Bute), Too close to call in my opinion and either way i wouldn't complain

Is that the order of how you view there wins? Pascal is miles better than Dirrell, Maidana, Kotelnik, Judah, Judah doesn't have a win anywhere close to Pascal's over Dawson.

Pascal was green when he fought Froch and He beat Dawson at a weight above, Dirrell and Maidana are better than Pascal(vs Froch)

No, Maidana's overrated, i like watching his fights and he's an animal, but he got a jackpot win when Ortiz showed weakness, he got his head boxed off by Morales fighting the heaviest title weight of his career and lost to Kotelnik. Not in Pascal's league

What has Pascal done except beat a dawson who doesn't seem to be at his best recently (including pascal fight) he got beat twice easily by froch, i had it 115-113 Maidana watch it again without the bias for morales(like everyone-inlcuding me). Pascal was still very inexperienced when he fought Froch-Maidana = Prime

A green Pascal is still a better fighter than a prime Maidana

Imperial Ghosty wrote:A green Pascal is still a better fighter than a prime Maidana

I would have to Disagree, what has Pascal done

Going on to win the light heavyweight title beating two unbeaten world level fighters in Diaconu and Dawson is nothing i'm assuming, those 6 months between the Froch fight and winning the title doesn't suggest he was as green as your suggesting.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Going on to win the light heavyweight title beating two unbeaten world level fighters in Diaconu and Dawson is nothing i'm assuming, those 6 months between the Froch fight and winning the title doesn't suggest he was as green as your suggesting.

Froch was his first Big fight, Diaconu isn't that good, Dawson is a good win but you can't deny that Dawson hasn't looked at his best for a long time now

What has Maidana do other than beat Ortiz who like Pascal moved up to win a title?

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:A green Pascal is still a better fighter than a prime Maidana

I would have to Disagree, what has Pascal done

Pascal comfortably beat Diaconu twice, Dawson, made a few defences of his title, he is world level, Maidana hasn't even won a world title, Pascal was also the linear light heavyweight champ.

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Going on to win the light heavyweight title beating two unbeaten world level fighters in Diaconu and Dawson is nothing i'm assuming, those 6 months between the Froch fight and winning the title doesn't suggest he was as green as your suggesting.

Froch was his first Big fight, Diaconu isn't that good, Dawson is a good win but you can't deny that Dawson hasn't looked at his best for a long time now

Dawson was unbeaten going in and a huge favourite and touted for big things, if Khan wants to be rated higher than Froch it takes more than wins over Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Salita, McCloskey, Maidana and Judah, they simply don't come close to wins over a prime Pascal, a prime Dirrell, Taylor, Abraham, Johnson, not even close. Johnson and Taylor had seen better days i do admit though, but anyone who says Malignaggi and Judah havent seen better days too, is a tad deluded imo. Khan's chin will be found again imo if and when he fights Bradley, Mayweather, Berto, Ortiz, etc.

KO-KING wrote:

Young_Towzer wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Young_Towzer wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Froch - think that Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Ward would outshine Kotelnik, Salita, Maidana, McCloskey, Judah, Bradley as championship level victims. Not by a mile, mind, but clearly enough.

1-Bradley - Ward = Same
2-Dirrell
3-Maidana
4-Kotelnik
5-Judah
6-Johnson - Pascal = Same
7-Pauli
8-Abraham
9-Taylor
10-McCloskey
11-Salita

In my opinion, Khan will have Ring Froch won't (Bute), Too close to call in my opinion and either way i wouldn't complain

Is that the order of how you view there wins? Pascal is miles better than Dirrell, Maidana, Kotelnik, Judah, Judah doesn't have a win anywhere close to Pascal's over Dawson.

Pascal was green when he fought Froch and He beat Dawson at a weight above, Dirrell and Maidana are better than Pascal(vs Froch)

No, Maidana's overrated, i like watching his fights and he's an animal, but he got a jackpot win when Ortiz showed weakness, he got his head boxed off by Morales fighting the heaviest title weight of his career and lost to Kotelnik. Not in Pascal's league

What has Pascal done except beat a dawson who doesn't seem to be at his best recently (including pascal fight) he got beat twice easily by froch, i had it 115-113 Maidana watch it again without the bias for morales(like everyone-inlcuding me). Pascal was still very inexperienced when he fought Froch-Maidana = Prime

Pascal fought Froch only once.

BALTIMORA wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Young_Towzer wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Young_Towzer wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Froch - think that Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Johnson, Ward would outshine Kotelnik, Salita, Maidana, McCloskey, Judah, Bradley as championship level victims. Not by a mile, mind, but clearly enough.

1-Bradley - Ward = Same
2-Dirrell
3-Maidana
4-Kotelnik
5-Judah
6-Johnson - Pascal = Same
7-Pauli
8-Abraham
9-Taylor
10-McCloskey
11-Salita

In my opinion, Khan will have Ring Froch won't (Bute), Too close to call in my opinion and either way i wouldn't complain

Is that the order of how you view there wins? Pascal is miles better than Dirrell, Maidana, Kotelnik, Judah, Judah doesn't have a win anywhere close to Pascal's over Dawson.

Pascal was green when he fought Froch and He beat Dawson at a weight above, Dirrell and Maidana are better than Pascal(vs Froch)

No, Maidana's overrated, i like watching his fights and he's an animal, but he got a jackpot win when Ortiz showed weakness, he got his head boxed off by Morales fighting the heaviest title weight of his career and lost to Kotelnik. Not in Pascal's league

What has Pascal done except beat a dawson who doesn't seem to be at his best recently (including pascal fight) he got beat twice easily by froch, i had it 115-113 Maidana watch it again without the bias for morales(like everyone-inlcuding me). Pascal was still very inexperienced when he fought Froch-Maidana = Prime

Pascal fought Froch only once.

Was talking about against Hopkins, didn't make it clear in my post, sorry.

Young_Towzer wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Going on to win the light heavyweight title beating two unbeaten world level fighters in Diaconu and Dawson is nothing i'm assuming, those 6 months between the Froch fight and winning the title doesn't suggest he was as green as your suggesting.

Froch was his first Big fight, Diaconu isn't that good, Dawson is a good win but you can't deny that Dawson hasn't looked at his best for a long time now

Dawson was unbeaten going in and a huge favourite and touted for big things, if Khan wants to be rated higher than Froch it takes more than wins over Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Salita, McCloskey, Maidana and Judah, they simply don't come close to wins over a prime Pascal, a prime Dirrell, Taylor, Abraham, Johnson, not even close. Johnson and Taylor had seen better days i do admit though, but anyone who says Malignaggi and Judah havent seen better days too, is a tad deluded imo. Khan's chin will be found again imo if and when he fights Bradley, Mayweather, Berto, Ortiz, etc.

Malignaggi was prime. Dirrell and Pascal were involved in there forst big fight how can people ignore this fact, abraham was MW coming up - still good win for froch. Khan did try to fight bradley offered him more than he deserved.

Malignaggi was not prime, i'm sorry but saying he was must be a joke?

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Malignaggi was not prime, i'm sorry but saying he was must be a joke?

He had been in tough fights yes, but what did he lack or lose when he fought khan (from his prime), you have to state what he lost when you say he wasn't in prime

KO-KING wrote:

Young_Towzer wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Going on to win the light heavyweight title beating two unbeaten world level fighters in Diaconu and Dawson is nothing i'm assuming, those 6 months between the Froch fight and winning the title doesn't suggest he was as green as your suggesting.

Froch was his first Big fight, Diaconu isn't that good, Dawson is a good win but you can't deny that Dawson hasn't looked at his best for a long time now

Dawson was unbeaten going in and a huge favourite and touted for big things, if Khan wants to be rated higher than Froch it takes more than wins over Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Salita, McCloskey, Maidana and Judah, they simply don't come close to wins over a prime Pascal, a prime Dirrell, Taylor, Abraham, Johnson, not even close. Johnson and Taylor had seen better days i do admit though, but anyone who says Malignaggi and Judah havent seen better days too, is a tad deluded imo. Khan's chin will be found again imo if and when he fights Bradley, Mayweather, Berto, Ortiz, etc.

Malignaggi was prime. Dirrell and Pascal were involved in there forst big fight how can people ignore this fact, abraham was MW coming up - still good win for froch. Khan did try to fight bradley offered him more than he deserved.

Malignaggi was NOT 'prime' for the Khan fight. Beaten three times already, stopped once, he'd been carefully selected as a pretty skilful operator with zero power behind his punches, so that he'd look good against Khan but carry very little threat.

To suggest he was prime is pretty ridiculous.

As must you when your talking about Pascal and Dirrell

Malignaggi had lost a lot, his work rate was a lot lower, was getting caught more than he used to, slower and his chin seemed weaker other than he was in top shape

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Malignaggi was not prime, i'm sorry but saying he was must be a joke?

He had been in tough fights yes, but what did he lack or lose when he fought khan (from his prime), you have to state what he lost when you say he wasn't in prime

If you're suggesting he'd lost nothing from his prime then the assumption is that his prime wasn't that great after all.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:As must you when your talking about Pascal and Dirrell

Malignaggi had lost a lot, his work rate was a lot lower, was getting caught more than he used to, slower and his chin seemed weaker other than he was in top shape

Khan was the fastest fighter Pauli Fought, his chin looked the same, his work rate since the khan fight has picked up again which suggest it was khan who slowed Pauli's workrate,
I did say that Pascal and Dirrell were in there first big fight-inexperienced

BALTIMORA wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Malignaggi was not prime, i'm sorry but saying he was must be a joke?

He had been in tough fights yes, but what did he lack or lose when he fought khan (from his prime), you have to state what he lost when you say he wasn't in prime

If you're suggesting he'd lost nothing from his prime then the assumption is that his prime wasn't that great after all.

He was a solid contender like Johnson ect...

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:As must you when your talking about Pascal and Dirrell

Malignaggi had lost a lot, his work rate was a lot lower, was getting caught more than he used to, slower and his chin seemed weaker other than he was in top shape

Khan was the fastest fighter Pauli Fought, his chin looked the same, his work rate since the khan fight has picked up again which suggest it was khan who slowed Pauli's workrate,
I did say that Pascal and Dirrell were in there first big fight-inexperienced

Malignaggi had lost his '0' for starters. He'd been stopped before and beaten three times in total. The 'blueprint' on how to beat him was common knowledge. Was Khan the fastest fighter Malignaggi had fought? Cotto was no slouch for speed. A fighter who's 3-3 in their last six is no longer prime.

KO-KING wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Malignaggi was not prime, i'm sorry but saying he was must be a joke?

He had been in tough fights yes, but what did he lack or lose when he fought khan (from his prime), you have to state what he lost when you say he wasn't in prime

If you're suggesting he'd lost nothing from his prime then the assumption is that his prime wasn't that great after all.

He was a solid contender like Johnson ect...

And that's all he was. Khan's fought two solid contenders in Malignaggi and Maidana. That's it.

BALTIMORA wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:As must you when your talking about Pascal and Dirrell

Malignaggi had lost a lot, his work rate was a lot lower, was getting caught more than he used to, slower and his chin seemed weaker other than he was in top shape

Khan was the fastest fighter Pauli Fought, his chin looked the same, his work rate since the khan fight has picked up again which suggest it was khan who slowed Pauli's workrate,
I did say that Pascal and Dirrell were in there first big fight-inexperienced

Malignaggi had lost his '0' for starters. He'd been stopped before and beaten three times in total. The 'blueprint' on how to beat him was common knowledge. Was Khan the fastest fighter Malignaggi had fought? Cotto was no slouch for speed. A fighter who's 3-3 in their last six is no longer prime.

Balti, i'm a big Cotto fan and although miles better and more intelligent, beaten the better fighters, etc Khan's quicker. Hatton battered Malignaggi like no other imo.

Miles better and more intelligent......

Really..