10 reasons cena sucks

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Why cena and how he's booked(for the marks) grinds my gears.

1. He can't wrestle

I.e Can't throw punches and all the other moved he can't perform correctly

2. He doesn't sell

I.e He takes beats for 20 mins and wins in 2.

3. Promo work

I.e His mike work is crineworthy,he doesn't deliver it well

4. Trying to be funny

I.e When he on the stick he throws in some cheesy lines which half the audience dont get.

5. His merch

I.e the shirts,hats,armbands all cheesy

6. Hes Superman

I.e he beats everyone and majority of the time Buries them

7. He's homophobic

I.e when doing a promo he always references to gay people

8. Doesn't put people over

I.e Nobody comes out of a feud any better than before starting a feud

9. Acting skills

I.e He Trys and conveys emotion and story telling but has epic fails

10. Psychology

I.e Doesn't even know the meaning,zero psychology


But at least he works hard and nobody else does,I mean who else could fill his boots.

Fair enough.

Basically I'm saying what I think superman cena and I'm wrong?? Even though I've backed it up.

Sorry I can respect cena the fact he's got to the top and his hard work to get their. What I see in his character on screen makes me cringe.

Give me Punk,Bryan,Christian,jericho anyday of the week.

Enforcer wrote:So you're currently sat at the computer wearing nothing but a Cena t-shirt and sweatband?

Where's the vomit smilie when you need one?

It's alright - nobody in work can see my privates because I wave my hand in front of them all day

Enforcer wrote:So you're currently sat at the computer wearing nothing but a Cena t-shirt and sweatband?

Where's the vomit smilie when you need one?

Ask and you shall spew...I mean receive.

Fernando did you merge his 2 threads?

yeah id thought it be rather relevant since he's gone from loving cena to hating him inside a month

slikolas wrote:Sup Demon. I must have been through a time machine or similar as apparently I've come back to 606 as a 12 year old according to winterJ. That or I watch a televison program that is openly aimed at children now, and as such the main star is the biggest way they can Target the audience for merchandise.

Watching wrestling and buying into a wrestler is two different things. I also will point out I said MOST here. This may or may not include you. I honestly don't know but I'll assume your a adult who likes Cena. I don't understand why but everyones different and your opinion is fine. Maybe you have a son or something that likes him? Who knows.

I'm well aware the main stars are the way to sell Merchandise but that doesn't mean I have to like said stars. Cena is aimed at kids been as kids are the target audience. I never said there was anything wrong with this.

Basically I'm saying what I think superman cena and I'm wrong?? Even though I've backed it up.

That's right. You have said what you think about Cena and the majority of people have said they think you are wrong (and have backed it up as well). Crips even outlined which bits of your posts he agreed with and explained why he disagreed with the others.

I'm not sure what you expected to happen when you posted the thread?

Jesus, I turn my back for a minute and suddenly you all like Cena?!

My opinion...

He's dreadful. Absolutely terrible. When he tries to be serious he looks like he's going to cry; when he tries to be funny he is really, really bad.

He doesn't book himself, but has a huge input into his own promos and wouldn't be forced to say anything he doesn't want to say. Vince McMahon has full confidence in him to write his own promos.

His matches look as fake as anyone's I've ever seen. He looks like someone who is "playing wrestling". I don't actually think his matches are too bad, but they look so fake. None of his offence looks like it hurts, there is no impact or snap to his moves.

He never sells anything for anyone, not in a match, not in a storyline, never. That may not be entirely his fault, so I'll blame WWE for that.

He is a complete dork. That's the only word I can find to describe him. His facial expressions, outfits, acting, jokes, all so dorky. He was a dorky rapper and a dorky marine. He doesn't seem to realise that he wasn't a real marine, he just played one in a movie.

He is something of a draw, in that children buy his merchandise, ticket sales go up if he is on a house show, PPV and TV numbers are lower without him in the show, BUT, I think that would be the case with any wrestler who was pushed so strongly. If Chavo Guerrero or Mark Henry or Christian or anyone had been given such a strong, sustained push as the main babyface star of the company, they would have a similar impact on business. On the other hand, PPV ratings are much lower now than when Cena's main event run began in 2005, TV ratings are lower, and house show business is around the same.

I think he doesn't have any real understanding of the industry, what works and what doesn't work. I don't think he's a student of the game at all. He might be an expert on how WWE works in 2011, but he doesn't know why things have been successful or unsuccessful in wresting, and I'm not even sure he could tell the difference.

I don't ever see WWE's business growing with him as the top star, I don't rate him in the ring or on the mic (though he is undeniably charismatic), and I can't see adult males ever accepting him as the top act. I don't even think they will like him when he's a heel. I think they just hate him because he's a dork. His role as the top babyface in WWE makes me question the judgment of Vince McMahon. He will always limit the company's potential while he is the number one wrestler.

So yeah, that's what I think.

But would you give him credit for playing this Punk feud well Davies?

He the 3rd wheel

Punk>Vince>Cena


When he came out at the end the momentum was lost.

HitmanOwl wrote:He the 3rd wheel

Punk>Vince>Cena


When he came out at the end the momentum was lost.

3rd wheel?

So you'd rather see CM Punk vs Vince McMahon in that case?

Great match

Electric Demon wrote:But would you give him credit for playing this Punk feud well Davies?

No. From where I'm standing, the feud is all about Punk. If the match was Cena against anyone else, and that wrestler was not leaving the company, we'd be nowhere near as excited about it.

Oh you alright? Well said Cripps,demon just don't get it. Cena us a afterthought,its the only time somebody else has the spotlight in him and putting him in the shade

I get it.

I definitely get it.

You can't give him credit for playing a great part in this feud because your IWC membership card won't allow it.

How about changing this to 10 reasons why the whole idea of the IWC sucks?

Come on we're wrestling fans, some people have different opinions. Some people just don't seem to get that.

Go Team Cena!

Electric Demon wrote:3rd wheel?

So you'd rather see CM Punk vs Vince McMahon in that case?

Great match

In a way yes I'd rather see Punk vs McMahon. It could be a great match been as the boss can do whatever he likes. Such as bring in others guys to help him fight punk and so on.

Back on topic though Cena is "the third wheel" in this feud. It would have been anyone in Cenas place providing they hold the gold. All people are interested in is what Punk will do next or what Vince will do next. I don't see many people talking about Cena and what he will do next. I will give credit where it's due and to be quite honest it's not due here on Cenas part.

What he has done in this feud is minimal and had little to no effect.

Electric Demon wrote:I get it.

I definitely get it.

You can't give him credit for playing a great part in this feud because your IWC membership card won't allow it.

Exactly. It's nothing to do with my own ability to objectively analyse his performance, it's because I am inherently biased.

I think Cena is playing a very good role in this feud, and it's more build up for The Rock feud. I think it would have been just as good without Vince McMahon involved, although he has added another level, I actually think the chemistry between Punk and Cena has been much better than the chemistry between Vince and Punk.

I can understand why some people have a problem with Cena. His booking is atrocious, and his comedy promos don't work; but honestly, there aren't many who can pull of a comedy role well in wrestling.

I think while Punk has been good, I have a feeling a lot of people like the promos basically because it makes them feel good because Punk is talking about stuff that they think is a little secret between them, that he is "their" man, which is exactly how the feud is supposed to be played out. But that wouldn't work if he wasn't against Cena, the reason you're all buying into Punk the way you are is because he's against Cena, and I think that is completely deliberate.

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:

Electric Demon wrote:But would you give him credit for playing this Punk feud well Davies?

No. From where I'm standing, the feud is all about Punk. If the match was Cena against anyone else, and that wrestler was not leaving the company, we'd be nowhere near as excited about it.

I totally agree it's Punk that's got us hooked on the feud and what whether he's leaving, but I do think Cena is playing his role in the whole angle really well. And with the uncertainty of whether Punk is leaving, it's definitely selling the fued more than a simple Cena vs Punk feud ever would. Cena's taking more of a backseat, and allowing Punk to work his magic - he's in the supporting role for once, rather than being the star, and for me, it works.

A thought: is the reason we're all so interested in this is because we're genuinely curious about Punk? Or is it deeper than that; it's becoming a case of Punk representing the disenfranchised wrestling (sorry, sports entertainment) fans, against Cena representing the image of WWE that Vince wants us all to love, without questioning his decisions?

Cena is a entertainer not a wrestler maybe that why he's sucks.

I'm a wrestler fan 1st and foremost. Its one big community,cena just like hogan is the cancer of the wrestling industry of today.
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Cm punk Is everything what the e should be of today.

funny you east critical if Cripps? don't want to lose respect? pathetic.

I gave props to cena when was saying about how dwayne left and said he would never leave

HitmanOwl wrote:Cena is a entertainer not a wrestler maybe that why he's sucks.

I'm a wrestler fan 1st and foremost. Its one big community,cena just like hogan is the cancer of the wrestling industry of today.
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Cm punk Is everything what the e should be of today.

funny you east critical if Cripps? don't want to lose respect? pathetic.

I gave props to cena when was saying about how dwayne left and said he would never leave

Honest question....... do your windows have bars going across?

A thought: is the reason we're all so interested in this is because we're genuinely curious about Punk? Or is it deeper than that; it's becoming a case of Punk representing the disenfranchised wrestling (sorry, sports entertainment) fans, against Cena representing the image of WWE that Vince wants us all to love, without questioning his decisions?

Exactly what I was trying to say, you put it much better than me. You couldn't have CM Punk just against anybody, it HAS to be Cena, or at least it HAS to be against the 'company man', the person that has the role Cena currently has. I don't think it's a matter of just Punk's promos hooking us onto the feud, it's the whole thing, including how well Cena is playing it.

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:Exactly what I was trying to say, you put it much better than me. You couldn't have CM Punk just against anybody, it HAS to be Cena, or at least it HAS to be against the 'company man', the person that has the role Cena currently has. I don't think it's a matter of just Punk's promos hooking us onto the feud, it's the whole thing, including how well Cena is playing it.

Good point. I never thought of it that way. It does hit home more that Punk is saying what I think and is to John Cena in short. I disagree about the "how well cena is playing it" part though for the reasons above.

Given that Cena gave the title back to Vince and left the ring unless Punk got re-instated, i'd say Cena has had a role to play. The boss being blackmailed by the WWE Champion is quite a major turn of events if you ask me.

Punks shoot on Cena about 'this whole idea of you being the best, your not, im the best'. It wouldnt have worked if it was about anyone else.

Say what you like about Cena but he's controversial, you couldnt put anyone else in his place against Punk in Chicago and gain a better crowd atmosphere, it will be like ECW One Night Stand all over again purely because only John Cena can garner that kind of heat.

So i'd say yeah, i think Cena has got a pretty big part to play in this angle.

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:

Electric Demon wrote:I get it.

I definitely get it.

You can't give him credit for playing a great part in this feud because your IWC membership card won't allow it.

Exactly. It's nothing to do with my own ability to objectively analyse his performance, it's because I am inherently biased.

I think "the IWC" is inherently biased - yes.

Because they won't give credit to people they don't want to. Or if they do it's alway tinged with a disclaimer.

"That was a great TNA Impact.... but they'll do a rubbish one next week"
"That was a great feud build up.... but they'll mess up the closure"
"That was a great promo.... but.....

BUT NOTHING - It's either good or it isn't. If Carlos Tevez scores a good goal one weekend, it's no less a good goal if he misses a sitter the next week. It's just a good goal.

And Cena's role in this feud has been good.

I for one can assure you that my opinion is not based on any IWC concensus, or any smarkdom.

In fact I don't really like shoot-style storylines on the whole.

My opinion is based on what I think will draw the most amount of money, storyline-wise, and who is performing well, character-wise.

Please don't judge me by any stereotypical idea you have of the IWC.

That's why people hate him because he's the company guy and looks like a moron. So yeah your right he needed to be like this for it to work,basically punk is speaking from a smarks perspective. Every man and dog wants to say them things to vince and cena,how cena donkey kisses.

HitmanOwl wrote:That's why people hate him because he's the company guy and looks like a moron. So yeah your right he needed to be like this for it to work,basically punk is speaking from a smarks perspective. Every man and dog wants to say them things to vince and cena,how cena donkey kisses.

So it is important that Cena plays the role in the feud?

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:I for one can assure you that my opinion is not based on any IWC concensus, or any smarkdom.

In fact I don't really like shoot-style storylines on the whole.

My opinion is based on what I think will draw the most amount of money, storyline-wise, and who is performing well, character-wise.

Please don't judge me by any stereotypical idea you have of the IWC.

And you think Cena isn't;

1) Bringing in the money
2) Adding to the storyline
3) Performing well character wise?

What are you watching?

I'm excited to see CM Punk vs John Cena at MITB. Not CM Punk

HitmanOwl wrote:That's why people hate him because he's the company guy and looks like a moron. So yeah your right he needed to be like this for it to work,basically punk is speaking from a smarks perspective. Every man and dog wants to say them things to vince and cena,how cena donkey kisses.

A few things to correct/question/put out there...

1) People don't 'hate', Cena.

2) I'm sure looking like a moron is no different to coming across as one.

3) Punk isn't speaking from a 'smark' perspective. He's speaking in character. He probably believes those things and has experienced those things first hand. Try looking up the word 'smark' before trying to use it in context...... actually, you'll probably blow up the internet, let me help you...

A "smark", therefore, is a combination of the two, a wrestling fan who enjoys following the on-screen product and the off-screen, backstage affairs equally. Both of these terms are part of the overall atmosphere of kayfabe which is the term used to describe the choreographed goings on of the Professional Wrestling Industry.

You don't call out John Laurinitis, Vince McMahon, HHH, Steph, Cena and refer to the fourth wall if you're a smark.

Everyone's part the of the IWC purely based on the fact every single person has access to the internet.

Cena gets praised all the time on here,whether him having quality matches or promoing. It's we ain't enough if it in the last 5 years.

I actually think that this is feud of the era at the moment. MITB is so unpredictable, Cena may lose clean. Punk may turn face. Cena may turn heel. How will del rio be involved? are we looking at the summer of punk 2 or scsa take 2.

Let me guess you also long for the return to the overrated attitude era?

Cena has carried this feud just as much as punk, hell punk wasn't even on last weeks show leaving Cena and Vince to sell it.

Not everyone is part if the "IWC" as some of us actually praise what TNA, WWE and ROH do.

HitmanOwl who do you think should be in cenas shoes in this feud then? Name one other face who would work...

HitmanOwl wrote:Cena gets praised all the time on here,whether him having quality matches or promoing.

I thought everybody hated Cena?

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:

HitmanOwl wrote:Cena gets praised all the time on here,whether him having quality matches or promoing.

I thought everybody hated Cena?

Sounds like a sitcom

Harvey Price talks more sense than this thread

Mr H wrote:Harvey Price talks more sense than this thread

Harvey Price > Hitman Owl

It had to be cena otherwise it wouldn't work,cena had to 'superman cena' for it to work. It's the fact who cena is and what he stands for,people love to hate cena! Punks just saying exactly what I would have said. Punk for me is out shining cena on all levels.

Punk for you is outshining Cena?! Well spank my donkey and call me Charlie. You do have some brains!

It's not exactly a shock is it. People have been raving about Punk for years and slating Cena? Do you think you've caused a revelation? And when have we seen Superman Cena during this feud?

What you would have said? It doesn't matter what you would have said.

Copyright Dwayne 2011

Seriously tho, I think the more interesting note is that Cena is hanging with punk and giving as good as he gets

It's not a case of Punk outshining Cena, we all know Punk is outshining Cena. I take issue with the suggestion that Cena is adding nothing to the feud.

It's a joke

I'm not even a Cena fan, but as you say, the suggestion that Cena is nothing more than a third wheel in this feud is ridiculous.

I've been out since lunchtime so have only just caught up with this so here's my two penneth...

For the most part we're adults on here, we watch wrestling for the most part to appreciate quality storytelling and the athleticism of the moves, we hark back to the wrestling of our youth wishing through rose tinted glasses it could be like it was back then.
We moan at the WWE, we moan that it pushes 'entertainment' over wrestling, that they don't even use the word wrestling! (though they made sure they did last night), yet do we up sticks and move en-masse to ROH or Dragongate USA? It's not like it's impossible to find a stream nowadays on the world wide web.
For all the Cena haters out there, how many of you instead of watching the latest WWE PPV instead thought about watching CHIKARA King of Trios?
We moan about how Cena can't wrestle?
Sure often it's the other guy that raises Cena's game, the obvious contenders like HBK and Jericho and I think Cena would be the first to admit he'll never be in their league, he can't throw a punch, that's a given. But he can still put on a match. Cena v Batista, Cena v Miz, Cena v Orton, all of them had Cena playing a big part in the direction of the match.
And going back to HBK, watch the match v him on RAW 2007, Cena showed he's more than capable to go Old School when required.
What Cena does better than most though is he's a cash cow, instantly people jump on him and say that it's purely down to just being in the right place at the right time and that anyone else could have filled the clean cut babyface role. Really?
Like it or not, Cena is marketable, he does have charisma.
He just has it for a different demographic.
As a kid I loved Ultimate Warrior, the face paint, the intensity, how no-one scared him, how after such a beatdown he suddenly shook off the injuries, he got the second wind and you saw that fear in his opponent. The feeling that rose in your gut when that happened, it made you feel like you were was Warrior, that you could overcome the big kid at school, that you could beat anyone.
That's what Cena does. He makes the kids believe, we see past the facade now, we're old and cynical, we see him telegraphing a punch and moan when he turns into SuperCena but the kids lap it up. Look at any facebook poll or on WWE.com. Any poll asking for a fave star and it'll be Cena. Best match at a PPV and it won't be an epic involving Danielson, it'll be Cena.
Cena is this generation's Warrior or Hogan, while the more clued up fan prefered the Jake Roberts and Mr Perfects or nowadays the Punk and Christians it's Cena that gets the bums on seats and merchandise sales.
And that moves me onto my last point. The ability to break mainstream.
Vince's holygrail, one of which he clamours so hard to maintain, that our heroes in HBK, Angle, Danielson, Hart, never did nor never will obtain, that few do. Hogan, Warrior, Rock, Austin and Benoit are probably the 4 that did it most (one for the wrong reasons), Hogan, Warrior & Rock did it by not through by being the best wrestler but by a hugely marketable product to the younger fanbase, the face that every kid wanted on their lunchbox, on their wall, that they wanted to be in the school yard. Austin did it by tapping into the younger fanbase that had grown up, that was ready to move onto something else but hung around whilst the product itself moved with them. Punk possibly could be doing the same at this moment in time.
Cena brings kids into wrestling, he makes the 7,8, 9 year olds watch with mouths open wide, it's then up to the other guys like Punk to keep them interested when they start to reach adulthood.

Cena is playing his part. Hopefully he can take the heat at mitb and put on great match! I'm just a mark for heels i guess or faces with attitude ala Orton,jericho. It's no coincidence I dislike kofi,rey,Morrison,cena.

Hopefully cena will have time off and they let punk grin with ball

Punk=money

You know what i beginning to feel sorry for Cena, he has become the symbol of all grievances fans have with the state of wrestling. There are three categories of these fans; Old school fans who watch wrestling through a haze of nostalgia, attitude era fans who are angry with the PG product and new fans who keep being told earlier products were are much better than what they have now and are angry at this notion. Does Cena deserve this status- probably in the scheme of things he doesn't, his push came from being in the right place at the right time and now he has to carry a company following the departure of the biggest names of earlier eras.
As everyone sees their favourites leaving the business and few stars being pushed to main event level there anger is directed at the person they don't think belongs there. Peoples dislike for Cena will shrink as more superstars join him at the top but until then he will bear everyone's disapproval and the IWC will still list wrestlers who they think deserve his spot and he will suffer by comparison to them.

On a more serious note i am annoyed by the amount of ad hominem attacks on this thread that is not the way to win an argument and actually makes an argument look weaker as well as creating an unpleasant tone on the thread

Internet bullying springs to mind.

I would address your point Che, but have no idea what ad hominem means

Nando has been cleaning the thread up and has warned people on the thread to quit the abuse - hopefully everyone will take heed of that.

Oh its a technical term for attacking the person making the argument rather than attacking their arguments.

Well you learn something new everyday! Cheers for that.

I guess my previous post covers that anyway, but I do agree that attacks reflect more on the person posting than the person they post about.