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Wasps' Stadium Plans Scrapped
http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/9146173.Stadium_project_axed/
So, what now? Wasps to stay at Adams Park? Must admit, as a visiting fan, I hate the place. Perhaps a move back into London on the cards long term?
PLANS for a stadium and sports village complex at Wycombe Air Park have been sensationally axed tonight.
Wycombe District Council leader Cllr Alex Collingwood, Deputy Cllr Arif Hussain, Cllr Audrey Jones and Cllr James Malliff put the brakes on the project.
It means Wycombe Sports Developments Ltd’s plan for a 17,500 capacity stadium and sports village at Booker is dead, as it stands tonight.
But just four Cabinet members were allowed to vote, due to the council’s code of conduct which prevents members with “personal or prejudicial interest” from voting.
It also meant cllrs who openly opposed the stadium in their canvassing for votes in May's elections were barred from casting their vote.
The 4-0 result was greeted with applause and roars of approval from the dozens of protesters from the Groups Against Stadium Proposals in the council chamber.
As it brings to an end GASP’s relentless protests, which culminated in hundreds of people marching through High Wycombe on Saturday.
Garry Nuttall, chairman of GASP, told the BFP he was “delighted” with the Cabinet’s ruling.
But pro-stadium supporters slumped out of the meeting with glum expressions.
It is also a blow to Steve Hayes, owner of Wycombe Wanderers and London Wasps, who just minutes before the crunch meeting, made a public empassioned plea to cllrs to approve the plans (see links).
The decision is set to be debated on Three Counties Radio tomorrow morning and has kicked off a huge debate on the BFP website and Twitter.
So, what now? Wasps to stay at Adams Park? Must admit, as a visiting fan, I hate the place. Perhaps a move back into London on the cards long term?
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Cumbrian- Posts : 5605
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I am little bit worried by this. Its shows that a bunch of Nimby's can crush a stadium bid with effortless ease.
Wasps should definitely not stay at Adams Park. Football grounds do not make good homes for rugby teams.
Wasps should definitely move back to London in the long term. It is no surprise that the rugby teams with their own stadiums like Exeter,Quins,Leicester and Saints have the healthiest crowds and commercial figures.
The problem is acquiring a stadium in London.
Wasps should definitely not stay at Adams Park. Football grounds do not make good homes for rugby teams.
Wasps should definitely move back to London in the long term. It is no surprise that the rugby teams with their own stadiums like Exeter,Quins,Leicester and Saints have the healthiest crowds and commercial figures.
The problem is acquiring a stadium in London.
beshocked- Posts : 14849
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beshocked, How about a groundshare with Sarries?!
AsLongAsBut100ofUs- Posts : 14129
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beshocked wrote:I am little bit worried by this. Its shows that a bunch of Nimby's can crush a stadium bid with effortless ease.
Or perhaps it shows that it is possible to get a development blocked even when the council is packed with people who have a direct financial interest in seeing it go ahead. You could see it as democracy 1, corruption 0
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler- Posts : 10344
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I agree that the shouldn't stay at AP. I know it sounds a bit hoity toity, but I like going to rugby grounds that have a bit about them, where I can got to a bars/ restaurant and get a drink/something to eat before and after the match without too much trouble. That's why I like the Rec, despite it's delapidated state.
Adams park is on the edge of an industrial estate.
Adams park is on the edge of an industrial estate.
Cumbrian- Posts : 5605
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aslongasbut100 we haven't got a ground of our own yet! We have a battle on our hands!
beshocked- Posts : 14849
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Cumbrian,
Not doubts one of the great things about going to watch the Rugby is having somewhere to go to share some conversation and have a bite and drink. This is the other thing which makes Adams Park a mistake from a Rugby point ovf view. And, to me, the "London Wasps" should play in, or at least near, London. Would also make it easier to draw people.
Not doubts one of the great things about going to watch the Rugby is having somewhere to go to share some conversation and have a bite and drink. This is the other thing which makes Adams Park a mistake from a Rugby point ovf view. And, to me, the "London Wasps" should play in, or at least near, London. Would also make it easier to draw people.
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Makes me extremely thankful for all the work the Chiefs put in over the years. Couldn't imagine the carnage of having a Jeff match at the old county ground.
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From what I've heard locally, it is a good thing it was blocked with all sorts of dodgy dealing by some of the people who wanted it to go through.
Bad for Wasps though - they badly need a better stadium to sort out their finances.
Bad for Wasps though - they badly need a better stadium to sort out their finances.
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Realistically speaking, what are Wasps' options? From what I've read on the supporters site they are really struggling because of Adams Park's limited capacity and undesirable location. I suppose this is reflected in the club's squad and on field aspirations. They seem a world away from the club I watched win the Heineken Cup in 2004 and 2007.
There seems a prevalent desire to move back into London, but there doesn't appear to be the finances to build a new stadium, so that means another ground share with a football club. There are plenty of them about, but they probably won't be too welcome at a premiership club or any club who has aspirations to play at that level. This probably rules out a return to Loftus Road.
Griffin Park (Brentford) could be an option, but it only has 2000 odd more seats than Adams Park. Some rugby (league) has been played there in the past though. It seems like Brentford are looking at building a new stadium 20,000 seater, if Wasps could be tenants at Griffin park when this decision is finally made, they could look to make the move with them.
Aside from that, I can't really see where else they can move and may be stuck. Seems to me like it is getting to be desperate times for the club...
There seems a prevalent desire to move back into London, but there doesn't appear to be the finances to build a new stadium, so that means another ground share with a football club. There are plenty of them about, but they probably won't be too welcome at a premiership club or any club who has aspirations to play at that level. This probably rules out a return to Loftus Road.
Griffin Park (Brentford) could be an option, but it only has 2000 odd more seats than Adams Park. Some rugby (league) has been played there in the past though. It seems like Brentford are looking at building a new stadium 20,000 seater, if Wasps could be tenants at Griffin park when this decision is finally made, they could look to make the move with them.
Aside from that, I can't really see where else they can move and may be stuck. Seems to me like it is getting to be desperate times for the club...
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They are pretty stuck - as it stands they basically need a sugar daddy to come in and buy them a new ground and training facilities somewhere in north East London... but I don't see that happening any time soon.
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Crystal Palace maybe? Loads of potential catchment area, pubs available, and I think Palace want to build a new stadium on the site of the athletic stadium.
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Snoopster why in Northeast London? That's more Saracen's traditional hunting grounds. Also Saracens have the ongoing Barnet Copthall project.
Wasps have moved too far from where they were originally.
In my opinion Wasps should relocate to north west London. Easier said than done but Wasps need to become a London club again so they can sort out their finances.
Wasps have moved too far from where they were originally.
In my opinion Wasps should relocate to north west London. Easier said than done but Wasps need to become a London club again so they can sort out their finances.
beshocked- Posts : 14849
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Ground share with Fulham, that way its only at the bottom of my road, which would be perfect
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hughie1986 sharing with a football ground is never the best option surely?
Wasps need their own rugby stadium. How they do this and where they do it our other matters entirely?
At the moment I don't think it is possible for Wasps to move.
Wasps need their own rugby stadium. How they do this and where they do it our other matters entirely?
At the moment I don't think it is possible for Wasps to move.
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At least with Wasps they are ground sharing with a football team that is owned by the same person. Neither are generating huge amounts of money, so you can see the sense in the continued agreement (to a certain extent).
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Why don't they ground share with Glaws?
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I would be careful what you wish for Bath_BTGOG, you may still end up ground sharing with Swindon...
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I think we will anyway if the Rec Plans go ahead, unless Glaws want to help us out for a season????
The shed would look nice in blue black and white
The shed would look nice in blue black and white
BATH_BTGOG- Posts : 875
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Never!!
It took us a week to clear up the prawns and bottles of pinot grigio after your match against Worcester in the Amlin - never again!
It took us a week to clear up the prawns and bottles of pinot grigio after your match against Worcester in the Amlin - never again!
HongKongCherry- Posts : 3297
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Don't forget all the fruit and veg that was wasted from all the Pimms
BATH_BTGOG- Posts : 875
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That didn't go to waste, we fed it too our pigs
HongKongCherry- Posts : 3297
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You guys have turned my thread into a riffing battle between the effeminate fops of Bath and the scroaty pig farmers of Gloucester, quit it!
Cumbrian- Posts : 5605
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Go with the flow man
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beshocked wrote:Snoopster why in Northeast London? That's more Saracen's traditional hunting grounds. Also Saracens have the ongoing Barnet Copthall project.
Wasps have moved too far from where they were originally.
In my opinion Wasps should relocate to north west London. Easier said than done but Wasps need to become a London club again so they can sort out their finances.
Oops! I said North East because I'm an idiot who forgets which side is East and which side is West
Yes, to North West London is the right option for them... which I did mean despite my brain fart.
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Honestly Cumbrian, I always liked you, but now I see you live in Bath with those aforementioned fops! Out of choice!
Anyway, who wants to talk about Wasps when you can enjoy West Country banter...
Anyway, who wants to talk about Wasps when you can enjoy West Country banter...
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If wasps keep moving west it won't be long before they're classed as a west country team.
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Maybe Wasps will beat you to Swindon?
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they wouldn't fill it!
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BATH_BTGOG wrote:If wasps keep moving west it won't be long before they're classed as a west country team.
I know back in the early 2000's they were looking at Oxford as a potential move. If they were to do this, they'd really have to drop the 'London' from their name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassam_Stadium
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Actually snoopster I get all mixed up myself! Saracens' hunting ground is actually north London (not east) - basically Enfield and looks like now Barnet. Obviously Hertfordshire too.
Don't know why I thought Enfield was more east than it is.
I have changed my mind - Wasps should move to west london.
Don't want them too close to Saracens.
The "London clubs" and their former locations,current locations,hunting grounds etc is a huge muddle.
I think a fair summary is:
Saracens represent North London and Hertfordshire.
London Wasps represent Buckinghamshire currently but used to be based in north west London I think. Their history is confusing in my opinion.
Harlequins represent west London
London Irish represent Surrey and according to wiki have never properly been in London.
Don't know why I thought Enfield was more east than it is.
I have changed my mind - Wasps should move to west london.
Don't want them too close to Saracens.
The "London clubs" and their former locations,current locations,hunting grounds etc is a huge muddle.
I think a fair summary is:
Saracens represent North London and Hertfordshire.
London Wasps represent Buckinghamshire currently but used to be based in north west London I think. Their history is confusing in my opinion.
Harlequins represent west London
London Irish represent Surrey and according to wiki have never properly been in London.
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Wellington Wasps, Wells Wasps, Widdecombe Wasps, Whiddon-down Wasps. I like it! Get them bays doon ere, proper job!
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beshocked wrote:Actually snoopster I get all mixed up myself! Saracens' hunting ground is actually north London (not east) - basically Enfield and looks like now Barnet. Obviously Hertfordshire too.
Don't know why I thought Enfield was more east than it is.
I have changed my mind - Wasps should move to west london.
Don't want them too close to Saracens.
The "London clubs" and their former locations,current locations,hunting grounds etc is a huge muddle.
I think a fair summary is:
Saracens represent North London and Hertfordshire.
London Wasps represent Buckinghamshire currently but used to be based in north west London I think. Their history is confusing in my opinion.
Harlequins represent west London
London Irish represent Surrey and according to wiki have never properly been in London.
I think Wasps weren't far off Wembly before they moved out.
The trouble is that when they were all based in London, there wasn't the need to attract a fan base there is now to support the club and keep it financially viable so there was a great deal of over lapping of catchment area with no one based in South London proper or East London (after all London Scottish, Welsh and Richmond were all in there as well) - Saracens are well placed to try to expand Eastwards though given Barnet's position.
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