The Mayweather vs Pacquiao Debate

by D4thincarnation Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:04 pm

First topic message reminder :

It is an issue that polarises the sport, and get the most headlines. It is because the are opposites in the the ring and out.

Inside the ring Mayweather is a defensive fighter, safety first, whilst Manny is an attacking fighting that brings the excitement. Outside the ring Manny is well liked, humble happy and at peace, whilst Mayweather seems angry brash, arrogant, mentally troubled and problems with the law.

It is no surprise since they seem to be polar opposites that they split opinion.

In this thread I would like to discuss how there careers match up and who would win should they eventually face each other in the ring.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:24 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:Did it weaken them or did they go on run faster than ever had before?

Powell did poorly in the 100m final when all the testing was, without the testing he ran much faster in the relay.

Name me a global final in which Powell has run well? The man is a self acknowledged bottler. You are being less than honest again. The fact is that he ran faster in the relay AFTER being blood tested.

Could be down to the blood testing at the big events, it does weaken him as he has said so himself.

by Imperial Ghosty Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:24 pm

Really would help things if you stopped lying D4

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:25 pm

imperialghosty wrote:Really would help things if you stopped lying D4

How am I lying?

by Fernando Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:26 pm

im pretty sure asafa won the commonwealth games gold medal? so theirs your global final

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:27 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:Did it weaken them or did they go on run faster than ever had before?

Powell did poorly in the 100m final when all the testing was, without the testing he ran much faster in the relay.

Name me a global final in which Powell has run well? The man is a self acknowledged bottler. You are being less than honest again. The fact is that he ran faster in the relay AFTER being blood tested.

Could be down to the blood testing at the big events, it does weaken him as he has said so himself.

No it is not. In an interview after the 2009 world champs with the BBC after the final, Powell acknowledged that maybe he lacked the temperament for the big events. It is not down to blood testing.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:28 pm

fernando wrote:im pretty sure asafa won the commonwealth games gold medal? so theirs your global final

When I last checked, USA, Canada, France are part of the globe. I could be wrong. But I do knw Americans do think they are the world.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:29 pm

fernando wrote:im pretty sure asafa won the commonwealth games gold medal? so theirs your global final

What was the time?

Having you blood taking all the time will weaken you. It drains you body of Iron, plasma can be replaced quickly but red blood cells take longer to be replenish.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:30 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
fernando wrote:im pretty sure asafa won the commonwealth games gold medal? so theirs your global final

What was the time?

Having you blood taking all the time will weaken you. It drains you body of Iron, plasma can be replaced quickly but red blood cells take longer to be replenish.

9.86

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:31 pm

The fact is having blood taking affect some people more than other, Pacquiao is one person if affects a lot more and he is on record saying this well before Mayweather ever brought up testing.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:31 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
fernando wrote:im pretty sure asafa won the commonwealth games gold medal? so theirs your global final

What was the time?

Having you blood taking all the time will weaken you. It drains you body of Iron, plasma can be replaced quickly but red blood cells take longer to be replenish.

Of course having your blood taken all the time will weaken you. Thankfully not much is taken out and it is not done all the time. Your next excuse please?

by Fernando Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:31 pm

his time was 10.03

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:33 pm

fernando wrote:his time was 10.03

Well considering he has ran 9.72 that is a pretty poor time. In a true world final he would be finishing last.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:33 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:The fact is having blood taking affect some people more than other, Pacquiao is one person if affects a lot more and he is on record saying this well before Mayweather ever brought up testing.

Pac is either lying or making excuses because imo he is roiding. Physiologically it doesn't affect you one iota. If you are talking one pint, then yes. But its milligrams. One vial. It takes 15 minutes to replenish what was lost. Pac is simply lying. FACT.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:34 pm

fernando wrote:his time was 10.03

Link for all the times from 1/4 finals please. I'm sure he ran 9.86.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:35 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:The fact is having blood taking affect some people more than other, Pacquiao is one person if affects a lot more and he is on record saying this well before Mayweather ever brought up testing.

Pac is either lying or making excuses because imo he is roiding. Physiologically it doesn't affect you one iota. If you are talking one pint, then yes. But its milligrams. One vial. It takes 15 minutes to replenish what was lost. Pac is simply lying. FACT.

He said it after the Morales fight when his blood was taken a day before the fight with no prior warning.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:35 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
fernando wrote:his time was 10.03

Well considering he has ran 9.72 that is a pretty poor time. In a true world final he would be finishing last.

9.72 was in italy on a superfast track AFTER (3years) he won gold. How do you explain his run in the relay and his failure in the 100m. I mean his repetitive failures over 100m in major finls.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:36 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:The fact is having blood taking affect some people more than other, Pacquiao is one person if affects a lot more and he is on record saying this well before Mayweather ever brought up testing.

Pac is either lying or making excuses because imo he is roiding. Physiologically it doesn't affect you one iota. If you are talking one pint, then yes. But its milligrams. One vial. It takes 15 minutes to replenish what was lost. Pac is simply lying. FACT.

He said it after the Morales fight when his blood was taken a day before the fight with no prior warning.

He probably wasn't juicing (allegedly) hence he lost. Or blatently making excuses for losing. Which do you reckon it is?

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:38 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
fernando wrote:his time was 10.03

Well considering he has ran 9.72 that is a pretty poor time. In a true world final he would be finishing last.

9.72 was in italy on a superfast track AFTER (3years) he won gold. How do you explain his run in the relay and his failure in the 100m. I mean his repetitive failures over 100m in major finls.

Who knows all the reasons, I'm sure it not one.

But the point is having blood taken affect some people more than other and Pacquiao is one of them that it does affect more.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:40 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:The fact is having blood taking affect some people more than other, Pacquiao is one person if affects a lot more and he is on record saying this well before Mayweather ever brought up testing.

Pac is either lying or making excuses because imo he is roiding. Physiologically it doesn't affect you one iota. If you are talking one pint, then yes. But its milligrams. One vial. It takes 15 minutes to replenish what was lost. Pac is simply lying. FACT.

He said it after the Morales fight when his blood was taken a day before the fight with no prior warning.

He probably wasn't juicing (allegedly) hence he lost. Or blatently making excuses for losing. Which do you reckon it is?

Reckon it did weaken him, and if you watch 24/7 when he has to give blood his not comfortable with it and has to take the day of training. Now if Pacquiao is doing this in the last couple of week on training it will affect his build up to the fight and he won't be on top of his game.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:42 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
fernando wrote:his time was 10.03

Well considering he has ran 9.72 that is a pretty poor time. In a true world final he would be finishing last.

9.72 was in italy on a superfast track AFTER (3years) he won gold. How do you explain his run in the relay and his failure in the 100m. I mean his repetitive failures over 100m in major finls.

Who knows all the reasons, I'm sure it not one.

But the point is having blood taken affect some people more than other and Pacquiao is one of them that it does affect more.

That is the point. Taking such a small amount of blood doesn't physically affect anyone for more than 15 minutes. For elite athletes it would be less than 10 minutes. Pac is either lying or juicing. One or the other.

Even in the highly remote chance that it does affect him, why shouldn't Floyd use it to his advantage? Hasn't Manny used weight issues to his advantage? But it is not floyd;s style. He beats his opponents fairly and squarely. (you queue to move on and ignore my other points - go on be predictable).

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:45 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
fernando wrote:his time was 10.03

Well considering he has ran 9.72 that is a pretty poor time. In a true world final he would be finishing last.

9.72 was in italy on a superfast track AFTER (3years) he won gold. How do you explain his run in the relay and his failure in the 100m. I mean his repetitive failures over 100m in major finls.

Who knows all the reasons, I'm sure it not one.

But the point is having blood taken affect some people more than other and Pacquiao is one of them that it does affect more.

That is the point. Taking such a small amount of blood doesn't physically affect anyone for more than 15 minutes. For elite athletes it would be less than 10 minutes. Pac is either lying or juicing. One or the other.

Even in the highly remote chance that it does affect him, why shouldn't Floyd use it to his advantage? Hasn't Manny used weight issues to his advantage? But it is not floyd;s style. He beats his opponents fairly and squarely. (you queue to move on and ignore my other points - go on be predictable).

The commission decides the drug test not Floyd. If Floyd knew Manny had this aversion to blood tests he would call for them not for Manny to be clean but for a breakdown in negotiations and thus his way out of the fight.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:45 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:The fact is having blood taking affect some people more than other, Pacquiao is one person if affects a lot more and he is on record saying this well before Mayweather ever brought up testing.

Pac is either lying or making excuses because imo he is roiding. Physiologically it doesn't affect you one iota. If you are talking one pint, then yes. But its milligrams. One vial. It takes 15 minutes to replenish what was lost. Pac is simply lying. FACT.

He said it after the Morales fight when his blood was taken a day before the fight with no prior warning.

He probably wasn't juicing (allegedly) hence he lost. Or blatently making excuses for losing. Which do you reckon it is?

Reckon it did weaken him, and if you watch 24/7 when he has to give blood his not comfortable with it and has to take the day of training. Now if Pacquiao is doing this in the last couple of week on training it will affect his build up to the fight and he won't be on top of his game.

What you reckon is neither here not there. I am talking about biological facts and not phycho babble. He can take the test, go take a dump and when finished he will be back to normal and have another tattoo later.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:47 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
fernando wrote:his time was 10.03

Well considering he has ran 9.72 that is a pretty poor time. In a true world final he would be finishing last.

9.72 was in italy on a superfast track AFTER (3years) he won gold. How do you explain his run in the relay and his failure in the 100m. I mean his repetitive failures over 100m in major finls.

Who knows all the reasons, I'm sure it not one.

But the point is having blood taken affect some people more than other and Pacquiao is one of them that it does affect more.

That is the point. Taking such a small amount of blood doesn't physically affect anyone for more than 15 minutes. For elite athletes it would be less than 10 minutes. Pac is either lying or juicing. One or the other.

Even in the highly remote chance that it does affect him, why shouldn't Floyd use it to his advantage? Hasn't Manny used weight issues to his advantage? But it is not floyd;s style. He beats his opponents fairly and squarely. (you queue to move on and ignore my other points - go on be predictable).

The commission decides the drug test not Floyd. If Floyd knew Manny had this aversion to blood tests he would call for them not for Manny to be clean but for a breakdown in negotiations and thus his way out of the fight.

I am aware of that. It was a clause in the contract that he tried to insert. Stringent roid tests. Manny ran from that. Simple facts mate. If floyd was suggesting that Manny do something he was not prepared to do, then there would be an issue.

Isn't Floyd allowed to put into contracts his clauses?

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:49 pm

I think they take 15ml two lot in a test, the A-sample and the B sample. Ten tests is 300 mls, what is that 4% of total blood. The plasma take 24 hours to be replenish the red blood cells a bit more. Would Pacquiao be 4% weaker?

But it also the psychological factor that affect Pacquiao.

If Mayweather thinks this is going to be an easy fight and Pacquiao is one dimensional then why bother even asking for the test. He never for his 41 previous opponents.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:51 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
fernando wrote:his time was 10.03

Well considering he has ran 9.72 that is a pretty poor time. In a true world final he would be finishing last.

9.72 was in italy on a superfast track AFTER (3years) he won gold. How do you explain his run in the relay and his failure in the 100m. I mean his repetitive failures over 100m in major finls.

Who knows all the reasons, I'm sure it not one.

But the point is having blood taken affect some people more than other and Pacquiao is one of them that it does affect more.

That is the point. Taking such a small amount of blood doesn't physically affect anyone for more than 15 minutes. For elite athletes it would be less than 10 minutes. Pac is either lying or juicing. One or the other.

Even in the highly remote chance that it does affect him, why shouldn't Floyd use it to his advantage? Hasn't Manny used weight issues to his advantage? But it is not floyd;s style. He beats his opponents fairly and squarely. (you queue to move on and ignore my other points - go on be predictable).

The commission decides the drug test not Floyd. If Floyd knew Manny had this aversion to blood tests he would call for them not for Manny to be clean but for a breakdown in negotiations and thus his way out of the fight.

Manny also agreed to get tested anytime by urine test that will detect any steroid used.

I am aware of that. It was a clause in the contract that he tried to insert. Stringent roid tests. Manny ran from that. Simple facts mate. If floyd was suggesting that Manny do something he was not prepared to do, then there would be an issue.

Isn't Floyd allowed to put into contracts his clauses?

by Imperial Ghosty Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:52 pm

D4, i've managed to cycle over 1000 miles in a single week at a fairly high pace then have a blood test to make sure I was showing no ill effects then proceded to train extensively while I awaited the tests. While not at a very high level my training in itself left me physically exhausted yet a simple blood test didn't make it worse.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:53 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:I think they take 15ml two lot in a test, the A-sample and the B sample. Ten tests is 300 mls, what is that 4% of total blood. The plasma take 24 hours to be replenish the red blood cells a bit more. Would Pacquiao be 4% weaker?

But it also the psychological factor that affect Pacquiao.

If Mayweather thinks this is going to be an easy fight and Pacquiao is one dimensional then why bother even asking for the test. He never for his 41 previous opponents.

Bull turd. Oh and Floyd will also be 4% weaker. So they will both be equal strength. But just a note. They take one sample, seperate it for the A and B samples.

Floyd has been asking for randon tests since 1988. I believe his first defence in the SFW division he asked and got random tests.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:55 pm

imperialghosty wrote:D4, i've managed to cycle over 1000 miles in a single week at a fairly high pace then have a blood test to make sure I was showing no ill effects then proceded to train extensively while I awaited the tests. While not at a very high level my training in itself left me physically exhausted yet a simple blood test didn't make it worse.

Manny should be exempt from the tests as he will be 4% weaker. Its ok for all others to be weight drained and thus weaker. But heaven forbid that Manny is less that 100% fit.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:59 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:I think they take 15ml two lot in a test, the A-sample and the B sample. Ten tests is 300 mls, what is that 4% of total blood. The plasma take 24 hours to be replenish the red blood cells a bit more. Would Pacquiao be 4% weaker?

But it also the psychological factor that affect Pacquiao.

If Mayweather thinks this is going to be an easy fight and Pacquiao is one dimensional then why bother even asking for the test. He never for his 41 previous opponents.

It is an even playing field both would be uder the same testing regulations. This is not new this clause has been in fighters that Mayweather fought since 1998. It is the way testing should be done. You can't criticise him for trying to clean up the sport. Pacs problem with this breeds speculation that he is a drugs cheat. I hope this isn't true as I enjoy watching him. The fact he refused the testing makes me suspicious.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:00 pm

imperialghosty wrote:D4, i've managed to cycle over 1000 miles in a single week at a fairly high pace then have a blood test to make sure I was showing no ill effects then proceded to train extensively while I awaited the tests. While not at a very high level my training in itself left me physically exhausted yet a simple blood test didn't make it worse.

I'm not saying Pacquiao will not be able to raise his hands if blood is taken but will weaker than he would be if not tested.

It also the case it affect him psychologically and there no telling how worse he will be for that.

And just because you are fine with it does not mean Pacquiao or anyone else is.

Nice work on the cycling, I got a thread in mind linked to that for tomorrow thumbsup

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:01 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:I think they take 15ml two lot in a test, the A-sample and the B sample. Ten tests is 300 mls, what is that 4% of total blood. The plasma take 24 hours to be replenish the red blood cells a bit more. Would Pacquiao be 4% weaker?

But it also the psychological factor that affect Pacquiao.

If Mayweather thinks this is going to be an easy fight and Pacquiao is one dimensional then why bother even asking for the test. He never for his 41 previous opponents.

Bull turd. Oh and Floyd will also be 4% weaker. So they will both be equal strength. But just a note. They take one sample, seperate it for the A and B samples.

Floyd has been asking for randon tests since 1988. I believe his first defence in the SFW division he asked and got random tests.

What was wrong with 12 year old Floyd, was it his dad's crack problem?

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:03 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:D4, i've managed to cycle over 1000 miles in a single week at a fairly high pace then have a blood test to make sure I was showing no ill effects then proceded to train extensively while I awaited the tests. While not at a very high level my training in itself left me physically exhausted yet a simple blood test didn't make it worse.

I'm not saying Pacquiao will not be able to raise his hands if blood is taken but will weaker than he would be if not tested.

It also the case it affect him psychologically and there no telling how worse he will be for that.

And just because you are fine with it does not mean Pacquiao or anyone else is.

Nice work on the cycling, I got a thread in mind linked to that for tomorrow

So what if it affects him psychologically. He shoud man up and grow a pair. He is either juicing or ducked. He cant have it any other way. I reckon its the juice.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:05 pm

D4 you're a very bitter man. The only conclusion I can come to is that you know that Pac can't beat FMJ and try to use everything you can to disrespect a genuine ATG. What has his dads past drug problems got to do with him?

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:06 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:D4, i've managed to cycle over 1000 miles in a single week at a fairly high pace then have a blood test to make sure I was showing no ill effects then proceded to train extensively while I awaited the tests. While not at a very high level my training in itself left me physically exhausted yet a simple blood test didn't make it worse.

I'm not saying Pacquiao will not be able to raise his hands if blood is taken but will weaker than he would be if not tested.

It also the case it affect him psychologically and there no telling how worse he will be for that.

And just because you are fine with it does not mean Pacquiao or anyone else is.

Nice work on the cycling, I got a thread in mind linked to that for tomorrow

So what if it affects him psychologically. He shoud man up and grow a pair. He is either juicing or ducked. He cant have it any other way. I reckon its the juice.

Manny has said this before Floyd, so it not a story. Floyd on the other hand has had a list of ever changing excuses why he cannot fight Pacquiao, a far cry from all Pacquiao has do is ask.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:08 pm

prettyboy1304 wrote:D4 you're a very bitter man. The only conclusion I can come to is that you know that Pac can't beat FMJ and try to use everything you can to disrespect a genuine ATG. What has his dads past drug problems got to do with him?

In case you have noticed Azania said that he had been calling for blood tests since 1988, His dad's drug problems seems the most plausible explanation for this.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:09 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:I think they take 15ml two lot in a test, the A-sample and the B sample. Ten tests is 300 mls, what is that 4% of total blood. The plasma take 24 hours to be replenish the red blood cells a bit more. Would Pacquiao be 4% weaker?

But it also the psychological factor that affect Pacquiao.

If Mayweather thinks this is going to be an easy fight and Pacquiao is one dimensional then why bother even asking for the test. He never for his 41 previous opponents.

Bull turd. Oh and Floyd will also be 4% weaker. So they will both be equal strength. But just a note. They take one sample, seperate it for the A and B samples.

Floyd has been asking for randon tests since 1988. I believe his first defence in the SFW division he asked and got random tests.

What was wrong with 12 year old Floyd, was it his dad's crack problem?

I meant 1998. Sins of the father et al? When someone starts using such arguments, it means that the debate is lost. No worries mate. Just admit defeat. Pac will graciously admit defeat with or without roids.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:11 pm

Can you explain Floyd ever changing excuses for the fight not happening?

Does he think Pacquiao is really that great? If not then why demand blood test for Pacquiao and not for his previous 41 fighters?

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:11 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:D4 you're a very bitter man. The only conclusion I can come to is that you know that Pac can't beat FMJ and try to use everything you can to disrespect a genuine ATG. What has his dads past drug problems got to do with him?

In case you have noticed Azania said that he had been calling for blood tests since 1988, His dad's drug problems seems the most plausible explanation for this.

No D4. it was typo.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:13 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:I think they take 15ml two lot in a test, the A-sample and the B sample. Ten tests is 300 mls, what is that 4% of total blood. The plasma take 24 hours to be replenish the red blood cells a bit more. Would Pacquiao be 4% weaker?

But it also the psychological factor that affect Pacquiao.

If Mayweather thinks this is going to be an easy fight and Pacquiao is one dimensional then why bother even asking for the test. He never for his 41 previous opponents.

Bull turd. Oh and Floyd will also be 4% weaker. So they will both be equal strength. But just a note. They take one sample, seperate it for the A and B samples.

Floyd has been asking for randon tests since 1988. I believe his first defence in the SFW division he asked and got random tests.

What was wrong with 12 year old Floyd, was it his dad's crack problem?

I meant 1998. Sins of the father et al? When someone starts using such arguments, it means that the debate is lost. No worries mate. Just admit defeat. Pac will graciously admit defeat with or without roids.

It was not an argument it was making light of you typo.

And if Floyd is that committed to cleaning up boxing then why not lobby the commission or even sign up to WADA testing program?

by Imperial Ghosty Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:13 pm

No question marks over his previous 41 opponents and even you are aware of that, before you mention his father starting the rumour which in itself is false, it was Paulie Malignaggi who has no ties to the Mayweathers in any way.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:14 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:D4, i've managed to cycle over 1000 miles in a single week at a fairly high pace then have a blood test to make sure I was showing no ill effects then proceded to train extensively while I awaited the tests. While not at a very high level my training in itself left me physically exhausted yet a simple blood test didn't make it worse.

I'm not saying Pacquiao will not be able to raise his hands if blood is taken but will weaker than he would be if not tested.

It also the case it affect him psychologically and there no telling how worse he will be for that.

And just because you are fine with it does not mean Pacquiao or anyone else is.

Nice work on the cycling, I got a thread in mind linked to that for tomorrow

So what if it affects him psychologically. He shoud man up and grow a pair. He is either juicing or ducked. He cant have it any other way. I reckon its the juice.

Manny has said this before Floyd, so it not a story. Floyd on the other hand has had a list of ever changing excuses why he cannot fight Pacquiao, a far cry from all Pacquiao has do is ask.

No. He gave that as an excuse AFTER he lost a fight.

Do you mean like Pacs littany of excuses ranging from being scared of needles, to making him weak to why should floyd dictate terms etc etc etc? The man is a liar (ask his wife) and a probable juicer.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:15 pm

The only thing blood test do that urine and salvia don't are EPO and HGH. Now there is a HGH test on the card and you need to test for EPO over and extended period for anything conclusive.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:16 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:I think they take 15ml two lot in a test, the A-sample and the B sample. Ten tests is 300 mls, what is that 4% of total blood. The plasma take 24 hours to be replenish the red blood cells a bit more. Would Pacquiao be 4% weaker?

But it also the psychological factor that affect Pacquiao.

If Mayweather thinks this is going to be an easy fight and Pacquiao is one dimensional then why bother even asking for the test. He never for his 41 previous opponents.

Bull turd. Oh and Floyd will also be 4% weaker. So they will both be equal strength. But just a note. They take one sample, seperate it for the A and B samples.

Floyd has been asking for randon tests since 1988. I believe his first defence in the SFW division he asked and got random tests.

What was wrong with 12 year old Floyd, was it his dad's crack problem?

I meant 1998. Sins of the father et al? When someone starts using such arguments, it means that the debate is lost. No worries mate. Just admit defeat. Pac will graciously admit defeat with or without roids.

It was not an argument it was making light of you typo.

And if Floyd is that committed to cleaning up boxing then why not lobby the commission or even sign up to WADA testing program?

Unlike you who speaks for manny, I dont speak for floyd. But what I have read is that he has been demanding stricter tests for ome time and saying that boxing should follow other international spports.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:17 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:The only thing blood test do that urine and salvia don't are EPO and HGH. Now there is a HGH test on the card and you need to test for EPO over and extended period for anything conclusive.

Blood tests are more accurate than urine and saliva. More excuses? Are you aware of the woeful standards of drug tests in boxing? Dont you want the sport we all love cleaned up? SSM, RJJ all passed urine tests.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:19 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:D4, i've managed to cycle over 1000 miles in a single week at a fairly high pace then have a blood test to make sure I was showing no ill effects then proceded to train extensively while I awaited the tests. While not at a very high level my training in itself left me physically exhausted yet a simple blood test didn't make it worse.

I'm not saying Pacquiao will not be able to raise his hands if blood is taken but will weaker than he would be if not tested.

It also the case it affect him psychologically and there no telling how worse he will be for that.

And just because you are fine with it does not mean Pacquiao or anyone else is.

Nice work on the cycling, I got a thread in mind linked to that for tomorrow

So what if it affects him psychologically. He shoud man up and grow a pair. He is either juicing or ducked. He cant have it any other way. I reckon its the juice.

Manny has said this before Floyd, so it not a story. Floyd on the other hand has had a list of ever changing excuses why he cannot fight Pacquiao, a far cry from all Pacquiao has do is ask.

No. He gave that as an excuse AFTER he lost a fight.

Do you mean like Pacs littany of excuses ranging from being scared of needles, to making him weak to why should floyd dictate terms etc etc etc? The man is a liar (ask his wife) and a probable juicer.

Floyd and Golden Boy are going to court facing $60 million bill in damages for making accusation like that, I wonder if you will be joining them.

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:20 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:The only thing blood test do that urine and salvia don't are EPO and HGH. Now there is a HGH test on the card and you need to test for EPO over and extended period for anything conclusive.

Blood tests are more accurate than urine and saliva. More excuses? Are you aware of the woeful standards of drug tests in boxing? Dont you want the sport we all love cleaned up? SSM, RJJ all passed urine tests.

RJJ never did, and Marion Jones passed blood tests.

PEDS stay it the urine longer than blood.

by azania Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:23 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:D4, i've managed to cycle over 1000 miles in a single week at a fairly high pace then have a blood test to make sure I was showing no ill effects then proceded to train extensively while I awaited the tests. While not at a very high level my training in itself left me physically exhausted yet a simple blood test didn't make it worse.

I'm not saying Pacquiao will not be able to raise his hands if blood is taken but will weaker than he would be if not tested.

It also the case it affect him psychologically and there no telling how worse he will be for that.

And just because you are fine with it does not mean Pacquiao or anyone else is.

Nice work on the cycling, I got a thread in mind linked to that for tomorrow

So what if it affects him psychologically. He shoud man up and grow a pair. He is either juicing or ducked. He cant have it any other way. I reckon its the juice.

Manny has said this before Floyd, so it not a story. Floyd on the other hand has had a list of ever changing excuses why he cannot fight Pacquiao, a far cry from all Pacquiao has do is ask.

No. He gave that as an excuse AFTER he lost a fight.

Do you mean like Pacs littany of excuses ranging from being scared of needles, to making him weak to why should floyd dictate terms etc etc etc? The man is a liar (ask his wife) and a probable juicer.

Floyd and Golden Boy are going to court facing $60 million bill in damages for making accusation like that, I wonder if you will be joining them.

I haven't made any accusation. If you see, I put riders before mankig my insinuations. A clear legal definition. But if Pac wants to sue me, its another fight he will lose. Very Happy

I've had enough.

Goodnight and cover up with your pac beddings. Hug

by Imperial Ghosty Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:26 pm

PEDS do not stay in the urine longer than blood you absolute grrrrrrr

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:28 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
imperialghosty wrote:D4, i've managed to cycle over 1000 miles in a single week at a fairly high pace then have a blood test to make sure I was showing no ill effects then proceded to train extensively while I awaited the tests. While not at a very high level my training in itself left me physically exhausted yet a simple blood test didn't make it worse.

I'm not saying Pacquiao will not be able to raise his hands if blood is taken but will weaker than he would be if not tested.

It also the case it affect him psychologically and there no telling how worse he will be for that.

And just because you are fine with it does not mean Pacquiao or anyone else is.

Nice work on the cycling, I got a thread in mind linked to that for tomorrow

So what if it affects him psychologically. He shoud man up and grow a pair. He is either juicing or ducked. He cant have it any other way. I reckon its the juice.

Manny has said this before Floyd, so it not a story. Floyd on the other hand has had a list of ever changing excuses why he cannot fight Pacquiao, a far cry from all Pacquiao has do is ask.

No. He gave that as an excuse AFTER he lost a fight.

Do you mean like Pacs littany of excuses ranging from being scared of needles, to making him weak to why should floyd dictate terms etc etc etc? The man is a liar (ask his wife) and a probable juicer.

Floyd and Golden Boy are going to court facing $60 million bill in damages for making accusation like that, I wonder if you will be joining them.

I haven't made any accusation. If you see, I put riders before mankig my insinuations. A clear legal definition. But if Pac wants to sue me, its another fight he will lose.

I've had enough.

Goodnight and cover up with your pac beddings.

This always send me to sleep.

Watch this and you will be out like a light in no time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vACl6PyCVWI&feature=related

by D4thincarnation Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:29 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqUWjI0-NOs

Anyway Floyd is a pro-gambler now, seems he has given up his boxing career.

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