The Mayweather vs Pacquiao Debate

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It is an issue that polarises the sport, and get the most headlines. It is because the are opposites in the the ring and out.

Inside the ring Mayweather is a defensive fighter, safety first, whilst Manny is an attacking fighting that brings the excitement. Outside the ring Manny is well liked, humble happy and at peace, whilst Mayweather seems angry brash, arrogant, mentally troubled and problems with the law.

It is no surprise since they seem to be polar opposites that they split opinion.

In this thread I would like to discuss how there careers match up and who would win should they eventually face each other in the ring.

Beautiful display of boxing

imperialghosty wrote:Beautiful display of boxing

Maybe that why the crowd were booing and decided to leave in there droves from ringside seats because the fight was so boring.

So you don't think it was a beautiful display of boxing, hit and not get hit and personally as a boxing fan you should be able to appreciate that.

:yawn:

Sorry watching it has made me sleepy.

Goodnight.

Not as boring as watching flail around and miss constantly against Clottey but different opinions and that

I need to stop owning you every evening

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:D4 you're a very bitter man. The only conclusion I can come to is that you know that Pac can't beat FMJ and try to use everything you can to disrespect a genuine ATG. What has his dads past drug problems got to do with him?

In case you have noticed Azania said that he had been calling for blood tests since 1988, His dad's drug problems seems the most plausible explanation for this.

No it's not thats just you having a strange obsession with Pac. He wont get in a ring with someone unless he knows they are clean. You can't give him stick for that this isn't football you can get hurt in their. Pacs excuses for not taking the tests were pathetic. As for his dads drug problems nobody knows if it is true it was a rumour started by Mallinaggi who has no connection to them at all.

As it hasnt been done yet - I thought I would add a poll to the debate. Might lighten some of the exchanges on here too!

You can only vote once and not change your vote so be careful! And please vote for what you believe will happen, not what you would want to happen.

Manny to win by KO, probably in the 8th round. The constant pressure, the right hook counter keep Floyd on the back foot, he get frustrated losing round after round and tries to mix it with Manny back Manny lands the big left hook and it is light out for Floyd.

D4thincarnation wrote:Manny to win by KO, probably in the 8th round. The constant pressure, the right hook counter keep Floyd on the back foot, he get frustrated losing round after round and tries to mix it with Manny back Manny lands the big left hook and it is light out for Floyd.

KO in the 8th? Pure fantasy D4. Floyd hasn't been down before save the touchdown against judah, and that's taking punches from Mosley - a bigger puncher at 147 than manny, and Oscar at 154 - bigger puncher than manny. Manny hasn't ko'd any opponent at full 147, or even decked them, yet you think he will KO the most defensively evasive boxer in the game within 8 rounds.

The guy said put what you think will happen, not what you want to happen.

I know you want it so bad it hurts D4, but it's never gonna happen and deep down you must know it.

Floyd KO in 4. Easy night for Floyd. Pac is too wide open for counters and Floyd will want to teach him a lesson. Either in 4 or a severe and sustained beating before chicken-Roach pulls him out.

azania wrote:Floyd KO in 4. Easy night for Floyd. Pac is too wide open for counters and Floyd will want to teach him a lesson. Either in 4 or a severe and sustained beating before chicken-Roach pulls him out.

I hope Uncle Roger doesn't pull Floyd out, not until Manny embarrasses him before putting him out of his misery.

Floyd won't be able to see the punches coming and will never have been has hit as hard.

The only bad point it may be so one sided that a rematch would be pointless.

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:Floyd KO in 4. Easy night for Floyd. Pac is too wide open for counters and Floyd will want to teach him a lesson. Either in 4 or a severe and sustained beating before chicken-Roach pulls him out.

I hope Uncle Roger doesn't pull Floyd out, not until Manny embarrasses him before putting him out of his misery.

Floyd won't be able to see the punches coming and will never have been has hit as hard.

The only bad point it may be so one sided that a rematch would be pointless.

Pac doesn;t hit as hard as SSM. 4 rounds easy for Floyd.

Tell that to Cotto

Plus Mosley never caught Floyd with a huge shot, Manny's left against Hatton was a bigger punch than the rights Shane landed against Mayweather.

They simply weren't bigger shots

D4thincarnation wrote:Tell that to Cotto

He doesn't.

The Mighty Atom wrote:They simply weren't bigger shots

Hatton would disagree. That was the perfect left hook. Mosley landed some hard right hands but not as clean or precise or technically as good as Manny's left hook.

D4thincarnation wrote:Plus Mosley never caught Floyd with a huge shot, Manny's left against Hatton was a bigger punch than the rights Shane landed against Mayweather.

HOw do you know that?

D4thincarnation wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:They simply weren't bigger shots

Hatton would disagree.

Didn't you claim, in response to the thread concerning Gamboa and Pacquiao, that we can't always regard a fighter's recollection as being authoritative ?

Surely, there isn't just a hint of inconsistency in your arguments ?

Say it isn't so !

Because of the technique used to throw it, where it landed, how clean it landed, the speed of it and what it did to Hatton.

D4thincarnation wrote:Because of the technique used to throw it, where it landed, how clean it landed, the speed of it and what it did to Hatton.

Like the best check hook ever thrown against hatton. Pure class dont you think?

D4thincarnation wrote:Because of the technique used to throw it, where it landed, how clean it landed, the speed of it and what it did to Hatton.

I see, and Solis doesn't understand these things like you do ?

That's that sorted, then.

Hatton wasn't hit with those shots rather Mayweather was so he can't possibly know.

This is the same Hatton who was previously knocked out by the 'powder puff punching' Mayweather and rocked to his core by Lazcano previously?

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Because of the technique used to throw it, where it landed, how clean it landed, the speed of it and what it did to Hatton.

I see, and Solis doesn't understand these things like you do ?

That's that sorted, then.

Yeah I got to see the slow-mos and he probably didn't see them too well at all.

D4thincarnation wrote:Because of the technique used to throw it, where it landed, how clean it landed, the speed of it and what it did to Hatton.

Lucky punch. Pacquiao had his head down and his eyes closed when he threw it in desperation -remember, Hatton had been dominating the round up to that point. Pacquiao was just lucky that he caught Hatton flush, and that it was early on, so Hatton was still cold and only just warming to the fight. It didn't even hurt Hatton that much. He wanted to get up and carry on fighting, but the referee waved the count off early and then Hatton's team wouldn't let him get to his feet, even though he was conscious and clear as a bell.

Lucky punch D4, mate. Lucky punch.

88Chris05 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Because of the technique used to throw it, where it landed, how clean it landed, the speed of it and what it did to Hatton.

Lucky punch. Pacquiao had his head down and his eyes closed when he threw it in desperation -remember, Hatton had been dominating the round up to that point. Pacquiao was just lucky that he caught Hatton flush, and that it was early on, so Hatton was still cold and only just warming to the fight. It didn't even hurt Hatton that much. He wanted to get up and carry on fighting, but the referee waved the count off early and then Hatton's team wouldn't let him get to his feet, even though he was conscious and clear as a bell.

Lucky punch D4, mate. Lucky punch.

88Chris05 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Because of the technique used to throw it, where it landed, how clean it landed, the speed of it and what it did to Hatton.

Lucky punch. Pacquiao had his head down and his eyes closed when he threw it in desperation -remember, Hatton had been dominating the round up to that point. Pacquiao was just lucky that he caught Hatton flush, and that it was early on, so Hatton was still cold and only just warming to the fight. It didn't even hurt Hatton that much. He wanted to get up and carry on fighting, but the referee waved the count off early and then Hatton's team wouldn't let him get to his feet, even though he was conscious and clear as a bell.

Lucky punch D4, mate. Lucky punch.

I know you are just being a WUM, that suggests to me that you think Pacquiao left hook against Hatton was bigger than the punches Shane landed against Mayweather.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Because of the technique used to throw it, where it landed, how clean it landed, the speed of it and what it did to Hatton.

I see, and Solis doesn't understand these things like you do ?

That's that sorted, then.

Yeah I got to see the slow-mos and he probably didn't see them too well at all.

Good for you.

Now you see in slow mo as well as think that way.

D4thincarnation wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Because of the technique used to throw it, where it landed, how clean it landed, the speed of it and what it did to Hatton.

Lucky punch. Pacquiao had his head down and his eyes closed when he threw it in desperation -remember, Hatton had been dominating the round up to that point. Pacquiao was just lucky that he caught Hatton flush, and that it was early on, so Hatton was still cold and only just warming to the fight. It didn't even hurt Hatton that much. He wanted to get up and carry on fighting, but the referee waved the count off early and then Hatton's team wouldn't let him get to his feet, even though he was conscious and clear as a bell.

Lucky punch D4, mate. Lucky punch.

I know you are just being a WUM, that suggests to me that you think Pacquiao left hook against Hatton was bigger than the punches Shane landed against Mayweather.

Yes, I do think that actually. No problem admitting it. But seeing as you've written your usual quota of silly posts today, I thought I'd get in on the act as well.

Pacquiao isn't a big puncher at Welterweight, he has many strengths but in the grand scheme of things his power is pretty average for an elite Welterweight. Mosley landed far less on Margarito yet took him out while Pacquiao didn't.

88Chris05 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Because of the technique used to throw it, where it landed, how clean it landed, the speed of it and what it did to Hatton.

Lucky punch. Pacquiao had his head down and his eyes closed when he threw it in desperation -remember, Hatton had been dominating the round up to that point. Pacquiao was just lucky that he caught Hatton flush, and that it was early on, so Hatton was still cold and only just warming to the fight. It didn't even hurt Hatton that much. He wanted to get up and carry on fighting, but the referee waved the count off early and then Hatton's team wouldn't let him get to his feet, even though he was conscious and clear as a bell.

Lucky punch D4, mate. Lucky punch.

I know you are just being a WUM, that suggests to me that you think Pacquiao left hook against Hatton was bigger than the punches Shane landed against Mayweather.

Yes, I do think that actually. No problem admitting it. But seeing as you've written your usual quota of silly posts today, I thought I'd get in on the act as well.

Well you are normally a sensible poster and that previous post was work of pure fiction.

Like all your posts then mate, the day you give a sensible opinion you may then get sensible replies, until then expect constant drivel.

Quackio should apply to be Mayweathers foot scrubber, it's all he's worth

Manny does not hit hard at welter.

He whacked Marg, Cotto and Clottey about and barely made a dent in two of them.

Cotto could have made it to the final bell, he had overcome the worst.

Manny's power is hugely overrated.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Manny does not hit hard at welter.

He whacked Marg, Cotto and Clottey about and barely made a dent in two of them.

Cotto could have made it to the final bell, he had overcome the worst.

Manny's power is hugely overrated.

Yep - he looked exactly like his power was overrated with one of the most devastating KOs of the last 10 years to stop Hatton.

oxring wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Manny does not hit hard at welter.

He whacked Marg, Cotto and Clottey about and barely made a dent in two of them.

Cotto could have made it to the final bell, he had overcome the worst.

Manny's power is hugely overrated.

Yep - he looked exactly like his power was overrated with one of the most devastating KOs of the last 10 years to stop Hatton.

If you hit someone on the spot with their forward momentum they will go. If Ian Napa had connected with that punch thrown at that velocity with Hatton moving forward and hitting the same spot, Hatton would sleep.

Napa would not have knocked Hatton out with that punch

azania wrote:

oxring wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Manny does not hit hard at welter.

He whacked Marg, Cotto and Clottey about and barely made a dent in two of them.

Cotto could have made it to the final bell, he had overcome the worst.

Manny's power is hugely overrated.

Yep - he looked exactly like his power was overrated with one of the most devastating KOs of the last 10 years to stop Hatton.

If you hit someone on the spot with their forward momentum they will go. If Ian Napa had connected with that punch thrown at that velocity with Hatton moving forward and hitting the same spot, Hatton would sleep.

The Mighty Atom wrote:Napa would not have knocked Hatton out with that punch

Wobbled him. Maybe I was a tad harsh, but my point stands. No one is impervious to THE punch if it connects at the right spot and at the right time.

azania wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Napa would not have knocked Hatton out with that punch

Wobbled him. Maybe I was a tad harsh, but my point stands. No one is impervious to THE punch if it connects at the right spot and at the right time.

He is right but AZ that was just about the worst example ever. You could get a job on Sky Sports with the always dull Johnny Nelson and Glen what the hell is he saying? McCrory.

azania wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Napa would not have knocked Hatton out with that punch

Wobbled him. Maybe I was a tad harsh, but my point stands. No one is impervious to THE punch if it connects at the right spot and at the right time.

Too right. Haven't we had this point made countless times before in relation to Lewis taking big punches yet still being sparked, and in relation to Paul Williams, plus I think Urango and Maussa have had similar things happen. Not to mention John Ruiz being starched in thirty seconds by Tua yet still being regarded as a durable guy, and Khan proving his doubters wrong to an extent against Maidana.

Owned again, D4. Bedtime for bozo.

prettyboy1304 wrote:

azania wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Napa would not have knocked Hatton out with that punch

Wobbled him. Maybe I was a tad harsh, but my point stands. No one is impervious to THE punch if it connects at the right spot and at the right time.

He is right but AZ that was just about the worst example ever. You could get a job on Sky Sports with the always dull Johnny Nelson and Glen what the hell is he saying? McCrory.

The point I was trying to make was that you dont have to be the biggest puncher to KTFO of someone. Perhaps Napa was a poor choice but you get my drift (I hope).

azania wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:

azania wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Napa would not have knocked Hatton out with that punch

Wobbled him. Maybe I was a tad harsh, but my point stands. No one is impervious to THE punch if it connects at the right spot and at the right time.

He is right but AZ that was just about the worst example ever. You could get a job on Sky Sports with the always dull Johnny Nelson and Glen what the hell is he saying? McCrory.

The point I was trying to make was that you dont have to be the biggest puncher to KTFO of someone. Perhaps Napa was a poor choice but you get my drift (I hope).

I get the point just thought Napa was funny.

Even Pwaulie Malignaggi scored a KO recently..!!!

Strange things happening. The way things are going we might just get to see Chavez Jnr against a top 10 ranked fighter this year.

prettyboy1304 wrote:Strange things happening. The way things are going we might just get to see Chavez Jnr against a top 10 ranked fighter this year.

From his own division..?

BALTIMORA wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:Strange things happening. The way things are going we might just get to see Chavez Jnr against a top 10 ranked fighter this year.

From his own division..?

I'm sure I read that 1 of the organisations had him ranked number 1 think it was the WBA need to check that up. The sad thing is that lad could be very talented but until he gets in against live opponents we aint gonna find out.

Oh dear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIdPOogGe8Q&feature=related

azania wrote:Oh dear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIdPOogGe8Q&feature=related

Please, don't tell me I need to tell you about propaganda, Mark Regev interviews are less blatant in how they manipulate the facts and tell part truths.

Quackiao gets owned in that video, using D4 it proves he's juicing

The Mighty Atom wrote:Quackiao gets owned in that video, using D4 it proves he's juicing

I guess you no very little about proof. And When Floyd get sued for 60 million it will also set a nice precedent making the like of other who follow that line to be sued as well in a much more straight forward case.