Haye not interested in fighting Vitali

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David Haye has made it clear that he not interested in fighting Vitali and is to put all his efforts into fighting Wlad instead.

The problem with this is it seems as Wlad does not want to fight Haye and want Vitali to fight Haye instead.

Haye has said he wants Wlad, because Vitali has not made no videos of himself calling Haye out. Wlad is also hold two of the main belts, Wlad is also the younger brother still in his prime, while Vitali has seen better days and Wlad is also the no.1 ranked heavyweight in the world.

Haye made it clear at the start of negotiations that he only wanted to fight Wlad, but it seemed was trying to push him to Vitali.


Is Haye right to pursue Wlad and Wlad alone and should Wlad take the challenge and not keep on trying to get his big brother Vitali to fight Haye for him.

D4thincarnation wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

BoxingFan88 wrote:But manos.... Thats all well and good but wlad has recently came out and said he can't fight on july 2nd because its too early.

No he just said later in the year would be better. Haye was the one being adament about the July date saying it was July or nothing. Now that Haye has pulled out of the negotiations, Wlad is saying later in the year would be a more suitable date if they were to re enter into discussions in the future. Presumably after Haye fights his mandatory and Wlad takes care of Chisora.

When there are investigating a crime and you have to interview a suspect, changes in there story is always sign they aren't being truthful.

Hmmm, Manny gave a multitudes of reasons why he didn't want to take blood tests. Is that a sign he wasn't being truthful?

D4thincarnation wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

BoxingFan88 wrote:But manos.... Thats all well and good but wlad has recently came out and said he can't fight on july 2nd because its too early.

No he just said later in the year would be better. Haye was the one being adament about the July date saying it was July or nothing. Now that Haye has pulled out of the negotiations, Wlad is saying later in the year would be a more suitable date if they were to re enter into discussions in the future. Presumably after Haye fights his mandatory and Wlad takes care of Chisora.

When there are investigating a crime and you have to interview a suspect, changes in there story is always sign they aren't being truthful.

Well if that were the case then all boxers would in jail, and I daresay you would be in there with them d4.

Haye and Booth have changed their story so often its hard to keep track of what they are actually saying.

July was a poor date for the fight. It left Wlad inactive. Even with a tune up, it wasnt ideal. But it was possible. Haye was was the screaming about July or nothing which is why Wlad was forced to stick with it at all. Clearly September would have been better but this was not on the cards for Haye who withdrew once Wlad opted for a tune up.

All Wlad has said is that is the two camps were to sit down again then it would be better to look at September. Surprisingly, again this makes sense.

Anyway, all you do is start looking for holes d4 instead of actually addressing the points I put to you. You are obsessed with your ducking and conspiracy theories. Im not surprised really. Mayweather would rather be in prison than fight Pacquaio, Wlad set up the most elaborate negotiations in history to avoid fighting Haye. I suppose I should ask you who really killed Valero, Gatti and Forrest? Was it Don King?

Whilst Haye has been annoying recently, I can understand why Wlad is the guy he's targeting. He's the HW number 1 and holds pretty much all the belts. One victory would see Haye top of the stack, were as a win against Vitali would only see him level with Wlad.
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If haye beat Vitali, people would only come up with excuses, e.g. he's too old etc.

Beat Wlad and people would have to acknowledge him as the best heavyweight in the world.

Haye again has proved how much he wants to fight the best out their and Wlad again looks to duck.

Haye has accepted that he could face either brother but even with Wlad being the one lined up he has the option to pull out and lets big brother Vitali to fight his battle.

If Wlad pulls out would he be regarded as the most cowardly heavyweight boxer in history.

D4thincarnation wrote:Haye again has proved how much he wants to fight the best out their and Wlad again looks to duck.

Haye has accepted that he could face either brother but even with Wlad being the one lined up he has the option to pull out and lets big brother Vitali to fight his battle.

If Wlad pulls out would he be regarded as the most cowardly heavyweight boxer in history.

Duck this duck that. No-one is ducking anyone. There's squillions on the line and each is posturing for the best position. It really is that simple. Haye should count himself lucky to be getting a 50/50 split as Wlad is recognised as the HW Champ.

Yeah Wlad had to put in a clause so he can pull out and his big brother could step in.

Maybe Khan should set up all his fight like that.

Khan: I'll fight Mayweather but if I pull out of the fight Pacquiao can step in and take my place.

D4thincarnation wrote:Yeah Wlad had to put in a clause so he can pull out and his big brother could step in.

Maybe Khan should set up all his fight like that.

Khan: I'll fight Mayweather but if I pull out of the fight Pacquiao can step in and take my place.

Well he has pulled out twice against Delboy. It makes sense if he inserts that into the contract. After all, doesn't Haye want to fight Vit IF he beats Wlad?

Floyd beats both on the same eveningplay basketball afterwards.

It doesn't matter what Haye wants to do, If Wlad after all his talk lets big brother fight Haye instead of him, will be a very cowardly move.

Why even stipulate it?

It is a joke how they can do this.

Why can they get away with this?


If they were not brother would people take a different view on it?



And Pacquiao would beat Mayweather at basketball to, before and definitely after the fight.

D4thincarnation wrote:It doesn't matter what Haye wants to do, If Wlad after all his talk lets big brother fight Haye instead of him, will be a very cowardly move.

Why even stipulate it?

It is a joke how they can do this.

Why can they get away with this?


If they were not brother would people take a different view on it?



And Pacquiao would beat Mayweather at basketball to, before and definitely after the fight.

SO if he is injured for real it means he is ducking? I like that stipulation in the contract. Better than weight stips.

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:It doesn't matter what Haye wants to do, If Wlad after all his talk lets big brother fight Haye instead of him, will be a very cowardly move.

Why even stipulate it?

It is a joke how they can do this.

Why can they get away with this?


If they were not brother would people take a different view on it?



And Pacquiao would beat Mayweather at basketball to, before and definitely after the fight.

SO if he is injured for real it means he is ducking? I like that stipulation in the contract. Better than weight stips.

If and Real, very important words in that sentence.

Maybe other boxers should adopt this stance, would you like to see that?

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:It doesn't matter what Haye wants to do, If Wlad after all his talk lets big brother fight Haye instead of him, will be a very cowardly move.

Why even stipulate it?

It is a joke how they can do this.

Why can they get away with this?


If they were not brother would people take a different view on it?



And Pacquiao would beat Mayweather at basketball to, before and definitely after the fight.

SO if he is injured for real it means he is ducking? I like that stipulation in the contract. Better than weight stips.

If and Real, very important words in that sentence.

Maybe other boxers should adopt this stance, would you like to see that?

Yes, what if he gets injured for real? Also I would like an alternate to be nominated and agreeding contract signing. In that way we dont get the problems with late and unprepared replacements. Good idea D4.

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Haye again has proved how much he wants to fight the best out their and Wlad again looks to duck.

Haye has accepted that he could face either brother but even with Wlad being the one lined up he has the option to pull out and lets big brother Vitali to fight his battle.

If Wlad pulls out would he be regarded as the most cowardly heavyweight boxer in history.

Duck this duck that. No-one is ducking anyone. There's squillions on the line and each is posturing for the best position. It really is that simple. Haye should count himself lucky to be getting a 50/50 split as Wlad is recognised as the HW Champ.

Haye brings most of the money to the table. The kilts don't have a ppv deal. Wlad has never agreed to a 50/50 split with anyone before, but haye brings the uk sky ppv money and possible hbo coverage. Wlad knows that a 50/50 with haye is a career high payday for him even compared to 90/10 with any other opponent, that's why he's agreed to it. Wlad is the lucky one here, in terms of getting 50/50 despite bringing less revenue to the table.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Haye again has proved how much he wants to fight the best out their and Wlad again looks to duck.

Haye has accepted that he could face either brother but even with Wlad being the one lined up he has the option to pull out and lets big brother Vitali to fight his battle.

If Wlad pulls out would he be regarded as the most cowardly heavyweight boxer in history.

Duck this duck that. No-one is ducking anyone. There's squillions on the line and each is posturing for the best position. It really is that simple. Haye should count himself lucky to be getting a 50/50 split as Wlad is recognised as the HW Champ.

Haye brings most of the money to the table. The kilts don't have a ppv deal. Wlad has never agreed to a 50/50 split with anyone before, but haye brings the uk sky ppv money and possible hbo coverage. Wlad knows that a 50/50 with haye is a career high payday for him even compared to 90/10 with any other opponent, that's why he's agreed to it. Wlad is the lucky one here, in terms of getting 50/50 despite bringing less revenue to the table.

Point taken. But I still dont buy this ducking accusations. Farsical.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Haye again has proved how much he wants to fight the best out their and Wlad again looks to duck.

Haye has accepted that he could face either brother but even with Wlad being the one lined up he has the option to pull out and lets big brother Vitali to fight his battle.

If Wlad pulls out would he be regarded as the most cowardly heavyweight boxer in history.

Duck this duck that. No-one is ducking anyone. There's squillions on the line and each is posturing for the best position. It really is that simple. Haye should count himself lucky to be getting a 50/50 split as Wlad is recognised as the HW Champ.

Haye brings most of the money to the table. The kilts don't have a ppv deal. Wlad has never agreed to a 50/50 split with anyone before, but haye brings the uk sky ppv money and possible hbo coverage. Wlad knows that a 50/50 with haye is a career high payday for him even compared to 90/10 with any other opponent, that's why he's agreed to it. Wlad is the lucky one here, in terms of getting 50/50 despite bringing less revenue to the table.

Well it works both ways here. Wlad is going to bring a heck of alot more ppv buys to Hayes Sky deal so that 50/50 for Haye is going to work out more than 80/20 with a mandatory that most in the U.K wont have heard of and will be even less willing to pay 15 quid for after the farce with Harrison. Haye needs Wlads name to make this a big ppv deal. If he failed to fight a Klitschko then his next ppv fight would be earning far far less.

You are also not acknowledging that Wlad brings more to the table in every other sense and has much more to lose. If the fight doesnt come off then Haye can never challenge or claim to be be anthing other than the third best heavy. Wlad is putting his titles, his number 1 ranking and his status as the best heavyweight on the line. If he wins, he gets Haye belt but his status remains the same as the best heavyweight. If he loses he loses everything.

Haye has the opportunity to call himself the best heavyweight which is a huge bonus.

manos de piedra wrote:

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Haye again has proved how much he wants to fight the best out their and Wlad again looks to duck.

Haye has accepted that he could face either brother but even with Wlad being the one lined up he has the option to pull out and lets big brother Vitali to fight his battle.

If Wlad pulls out would he be regarded as the most cowardly heavyweight boxer in history.

Duck this duck that. No-one is ducking anyone. There's squillions on the line and each is posturing for the best position. It really is that simple. Haye should count himself lucky to be getting a 50/50 split as Wlad is recognised as the HW Champ.

Haye brings most of the money to the table. The kilts don't have a ppv deal. Wlad has never agreed to a 50/50 split with anyone before, but haye brings the uk sky ppv money and possible hbo coverage. Wlad knows that a 50/50 with haye is a career high payday for him even compared to 90/10 with any other opponent, that's why he's agreed to it. Wlad is the lucky one here, in terms of getting 50/50 despite bringing less revenue to the table.

Well it works both ways here. Wlad is going to bring a heck of alot more ppv buys to Hayes Sky deal so that 50/50 for Haye is going to work out more than 80/20 with a mandatory that most in the U.K wont have heard of and will be even less willing to pay 15 quid for after the farce with Harrison. Haye needs Wlads name to make this a big ppv deal. If he failed to fight a Klitschko then his next ppv fight would be earning far far less.

You are also not acknowledging that Wlad brings more to the table in every other sense and has much more to lose. If the fight doesnt come off then Haye can never challenge or claim to be be anthing other than the third best heavy. Wlad is putting his titles, his number 1 ranking and his status as the best heavyweight on the line. If he wins, he gets Haye belt but his status remains the same as the best heavyweight. If he loses he loses everything.

Haye has the opportunity to call himself the best heavyweight which is a huge bonus.

From a boxing perspective wlad brings more to the table, ie he's divisional number one, unified and ring title holder and haye - regardless of his WBA strap - is the challenger. It stands to reason wlad has more to lose, as he's at the top of the tree. That's what being the top man or world champ is all about.

Haye could make big money fighting mandatories. He made over £5 million for the Harrison fight alone. Yes a fight with wlad will be bigger business, but haye still has more earning scope than wlad due to hus marketability and ppv deal. Wlad is a businessman. He knows he's getting a good deal which is why, despite being top man, he's not quibbled over the split. All his other challengers are probably lucky to get 15%. Whichever way you cut it, Haye brings the big bucks to this particular table - whether you think he's worth it or has just mouthed his way into that position is irrelevant - the fact remains. Wlad knows it, hence his acquiesce on all things financial.

IF anyone on these boards could see past their blind hate for Haye it would be a miracle! Put it this way, if Haye fought Vitali and actually beat him or knocked him out (not likely) do you think Wlad would go anywhere near him??? Of course he wouldn't. If Wlad gets knocked out Vitali is certain to go after Haye.

BoxingFan88 wrote:IF anyone on these boards could see past their blind hate for Haye it would be a miracle! Put it this way, if Haye fought Vitali and actually beat him or knocked him out (not likely) do you think Wlad would go anywhere near him??? Of course he wouldn't. If Wlad gets knocked out Vitali is certain to go after Haye.

Boente (the k bros manager) has tonight confirmed that this is a one fight deal, but with an understanding that haye will fight vitali if he is victorious over wlad. I still wouldn't be surprised if K2 engineered vitali into the July 2nd date anyway. Wlad has shown with chisora that he's clearly not adversed to spinning the BS about injuries.