IRB World Rankings ... Part 1

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Current World Rankings

IRB
http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

4Ns Round 1
http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html

September 2012

Sat 15 Rugby Championship / Freedom Cup
New Zealand v South Africa, Dunedin
19:35 local, 07:35 GMT, 08:35 BST

nzl (on 92.43 points) at home -vs- rsa (on 84.20 points)

If nzl win by 1-15 points 0.000 92.43 84.20 No
If nzl win by more than 15 0.000 92.43 84.20 No
If result is a draw 1.000 91.43 85.20 No
If rsa win by 1-15 points 2.000 90.43 86.20 No
If rsa win by more than 15 3.000 89.43 87.20 No

Sat 15 Rugby Championship
Australia v Argentina, Gold Coast
20:05 local, 10:05 GMT, 11:05 BST

aus (on 86.62 points) at home -vs- arg (on 79.34 points)

If aus win by 1-15 points 0.000 86.62 79.34 No
If aus win by more than 15 0.000 86.62 79.34 No
If result is a draw 1.000 85.62 80.34 No
If arg win by 1-15 points 2.000 84.62 81.34 No
If arg win by more than 15 3.000 83.62 82.34 No

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Original post:

Pretty much World rankings provide both an 'official' balance sheet and P/L account of international bragging rights.

Sources:
IRB Rankings : http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html
Rankings explanation : http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html
Rankings archive : http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/index.html

Online calculator (Courtesy of Robbo277 (thanks)) : http://www.lassen.co.nz/pagmisc.php#hrh

Informative thread Portnoy. So, how much would Wales need to beat Australia by to cause a significant upwards movement in these Rankings? (forgetting all other results for a moment). Just curious as we will not get points from Samoa, Arg or NZ. Also my apologies for being too lazy to work it out myself at the moment.

mikey_philVIII wrote:Informative thread Portnoy. So, how much would Wales need to beat Australia by to cause a significant upwards movement in these Rankings? (forgetting all other results for a moment). Just curious as we will not get points from Samoa, Arg or NZ. Also my apologies for being too lazy to work it out myself at the moment.

Portnoy was unceremoniously dumped into a void for speaking out of turn on v2 mickey.

However as each game has five alternative RWC outcomes, it would be extremely complex to take it more than one game at a time. So best wait until the the Wales v Oz game.

Its a complex game what with twelve or so teams competing competing over a number weeks and building in allowances for non-official internationals soon makes the calculations complex.

Wales v Australia? If Wales win they'd certainly get ranking points.

Just curious as we will not get points from Samoa, Arg or NZ.

Confuses me a little. But I guess that means a lack of confidence rather than anything else.Or a lack of understanding of the way the process works.

Samoa and Argentina are lower than Wales, I was under the impression we couldn't gain any points from winning, but of course lose points from losing to them?

And Portnoy in the black hole, really? I'm guessing he peed everyone off by talking up Leicester too much.

mikey_philVIII wrote:Samoa and Argentina are lower than Wales, I was under the impression we couldn't gain any points from winning, but of course lose points from losing to them?

And Portnoy in the black hole, really? I'm guessing he peed everyone off by talking up Leicester too much.

Wales have loads of points to lose in the rankings as well as those to win. The rule of thumb is that so long as if team a is more than ten points ahead of team b then they can't gain points but they can lose them. But team b can gain.

In other words, settle for nothing less than 10 points wins, against all 4 (although against NZ we'd be lucky to lose by 10). Ta.

mikey_philVIII wrote:In other words, settle for nothing less than 10 points wins, against all 4 (although against NZ we'd be lucky to lose by 10). Ta.

Obtuse or what?

Not my forté. I think you made a spelling error btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SEVuSZDIcI

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mikey_philVIII wrote:Informative thread Portnoy.

Portnoy was unceremoniously dumped into a void for speaking out of turn on v2 mickey.

Keep kidding yourself Portnoy. You were dumped for abusing people so maybe it's time to stay off the booze when posting?

Just to confirm,

Current World Rankings

IRB
http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html

4Ns Round 1
http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/fixtures/international.html

November 2012

Sat 10 Italy v Tonga, Brescia
15:00 local, 14:00 GMT
ita (on 76.03 points) at home -vs- ton (on 74.79 points)
If ita win by 1-15 points 0.576 76.61 74.21 No
If ita win by more than 15 0.864 76.89 73.93 No
If result is a draw 0.424 75.61 75.21 No
If ton win by 1-15 points 1.424 74.61 76.21 Yes
If ton win by more than 15 2.136 73.89 76.93 Yes

Sat 10 England v Fiji, Twickenham
14:30 local, 14:30 GMT
eng (on 83.09 points) at home -vs- ton (on 70.60 points)
If eng win by 1-15 points 0.000 83.09 70.60 No
If eng win by more than 15 0.000 83.09 70.60 No
If result is a draw 1.000 82.09 71.60 No
If fij win by 1-15 points 2.000 81.09 72.60 No
If fij win by more than 15 3.000 80.09 73.60 No

Sat 10 Wales v Argentina, Millennium Stadium
14:30 local, 14:30 GMT
wal (on 82.26 points) at home -vs- arg (on 78.63 points)
If wal win by 1-15 points 0.337 82.60 78.29 No
If wal win by more than 15 0.505 82.77 78.12 No
If result is a draw 0.663 81.60 79.29 No
If arg win by 1-15 points 1.663 80.60 80.29 No
If arg win by more than 15 2.495 79.77 81.12 Yes

Sat 10 Ireland v South Africa, Lansdowne Road
17:30 local, 17:30 GMT
ire (on 79.85 points) at home -vs- saf (on 84.69 points)
If ire win by 1-15 points 1.184 81.03 83.51 No
If ire win by more than 15 1.776 81.63 82.91 No
If result is a draw 0.184 80.03 84.51 No
If saf win by 1-15 points 0.816 79.03 85.51 No
If saf win by more than 15 1.224 78.63 85.91 No

Sat 10 France v Australia, Stade de France
21:00 local, 20:00 GMT
fra (on 83.03 points) at home -vs- aus (on 86.37 points)
If fra win by 1-15 points 1.034 84.06 85.34 No
If fra win by more than 15 1.551 84.58 84.82 No
If result is a draw 0.034 83.06 86.34 No
If aus win by 1-15 points 0.966 82.06 87.34 No
If aus win by more than 15 1.449 81.58 87.82 No

Sun 11 Scotland v New Zealand, Murrayfield
14:30 local, 14:30 GMT
sco (on 77.97 points) at home -vs- nzl (on 92.91 points)
If sco win by 1-15 points 2.000 79.97 90.91 No
If sco win by more than 15 3.000 80.97 89.91 No
If result is a draw 1.000 78.97 91.91 No
If nzl win by 1-15 points 0.000 77.97 92.91 No
If nzl win by more than 15 0.000 77.97 92.91 No

Loads of places can change in the rankings this weekend.

I've just finished reading some comments on the BBC site and there are a number of Welsh posters who think Wales will be in the No2 spot by the end of the 2013 season!

C'mon

HERSH wrote:I've just finished reading some comments on the BBC site and there are a number of Welsh posters who think Wales will be in the No2 spot by the end of the 2013 season!

C'mon

I am sure they can think whatever they want, can't they?

Within reason Bil, but 2nd C'mon?

Come on, Hersh, I believe we should be number one. You can have a laugh if you want, but it doesn't change my view.

With the amount of players leaving SA I can't see you being No1 for many years.

Doesn't change my expectations though.

Thats great.

Good on you, it seems I made your weekend for you.

Hersh - where do you think England will finish in the rankings at the end of the AI's

Perhaps I should tell you a joke.

A Welshman, South African and Englsihman walks into a bar.

The Welshman says "we are going to be number 2 in the world,"

The South African says, "That's nothing, we will be number one in the world."

The Englishman sit down and looks rather downbeat, so the Welshamn asks the Englishman what is wrong.

The Englishman says "Nah, we are still holding on to past achievements"

RubyGuby wrote:Hersh - where do you think England will finish in the rankings at the end of the AI's

I'm not happy about it but I think we might hold on to 4th, maybe will scrape 3rd spot.

for Bill's fantastic Joke... Think I may use that one tomorrow if that is ok with you Bill

Biltong wrote:Perhaps I should tell you a joke.

A Welshman, South African and Englsihman walks into a bar.

The Welshman says "we are going to be number 2 in the world,"

The South African says, "That's nothing, we will be number one in the world."

The Englishman sit down and looks rather downbeat, so the Welshamn asks the Englishman what is wrong.

The Englishman says "Nah, we are still holding on to past achievements"

Is that a WUM?

HERSH wrote:

Biltong wrote:Perhaps I should tell you a joke.

A Welshman, South African and Englsihman walks into a bar.

The Welshman says "we are going to be number 2 in the world,"

The South African says, "That's nothing, we will be number one in the world."

The Englishman sit down and looks rather downbeat, so the Welshamn asks the Englishman what is wrong.

The Englishman says "Nah, we are still holding on to past achievements"

Is that a WUM?

It's a joke, I said so at the intro of the post.

HERSH wrote:I've just finished reading some comments on the BBC site and there are a number of Welsh posters who think Wales will be in the No2 spot by the end of the 2013 season!

C'mon

Possible.... Have to aim high to achieve... Yep Possible















































..... highly unprobable though..

HERSH wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Hersh - where do you think England will finish in the rankings at the end of the AI's

I'm not happy about it but I think we might hold on to 4th, maybe will scrape 3rd spot.

Well if you are suggesting 4th or a possible 3rd is it that unreasonable for someone to suggest that a GS winning team that has beaten you on the last 2 occasions to finish 2nd

In reality whichever one of us gets a SH scalp is the one that will get 4th

2nd C'mon!!!!!!

Biltong wrote:

HERSH wrote:

Biltong wrote:Perhaps I should tell you a joke.

A Welshman, South African and Englsihman walks into a bar.

The Welshman says "we are going to be number 2 in the world,"

The South African says, "That's nothing, we will be number one in the world."

The Englishman sit down and looks rather downbeat, so the Welshamn asks the Englishman what is wrong.

The Englishman says "Nah, we are still holding on to past achievements"

Is that a WUM?

It's a joke, I said so at the intro of the post.

You might need to work on it a bit more then Bil!

Biltong for a decent poster- that joke was shocking. An insult to even knock knock jokes

I think the 4th placed bit is a bit overated - The only team you need to avoid in the RWC is Samoa. If every team p;lays to the best of their ability none of us will get 4th place

mystiroakey wrote:Biltong for a decent poster- that joke was shocking. An insult to even knock knock jokes

To be fair Mystir, my dayjob isn't being a stand up comedian.

I found it funny to be honest!

tigertattie wrote:I found it funny to be honest!

Thanks mate.

I knew somewhere out there is someone smart enough to get the humour.

Where can we buy tickets to your show? Last Man Standing.

So D Day beckons for the start of the changes to RWC rankings/

Current standings - top 20:

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 92.91
2(2) AUSTRALIA 86.37
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 84.69
4(4) ENGLAND 83.09
5(5) FRANCE 83.03
6(6) WALES 82.26
7(7) IRELAND 79.85
8(8) ARGENTINA 78.63
9(9) SCOTLAND 77.97
10(10) SAMOA 76.23
11(11) ITALY 76.03
12(12) TONGA 74.79
13(13) CANADA 72.30
14(14) FIJI 70.60
15(15) GEORGIA 67.95
16(16) JAPAN 67.93
17(17) USA 66.61
18(18) ROMANIA 64.54
19(19) RUSSIA 62.05
20(20) SPAIN 61.63

Results:
Friday 9 November
USA 40-26 Russia = USA up to 67.43 and Russia down to 61.23
Samoa 42-12 Canada = Sam up to 77.14 and Can down to 71.39

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 92.91
2(2) AUSTRALIA 86.37
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 84.69
4(4) ENGLAND 83.09
5(5) FRANCE 83.03
6(6) WALES 82.26
7(7) IRELAND 79.85
8(8) ARGENTINA 78.63
9(9) SCOTLAND 77.97
10(10) SAMOA 77.14
11(11) ITALY 76.03
12(12) TONGA 74.79
13(13) CANADA 71.39
14(14) FIJI 70.60
15(15) GEORGIA 67.95
16(16) JAPAN 67.93
17(17) USA 67.43
18(18) ROMANIA 64.54
19(19) SPAIN 61.63
20(20) RUSSIA 61.23

Linebreaker wrote:Where can we buy tickets to your show? Last Man Standing.

It will most likely only be you and tigertattie, so in that case you might as well just come to my house for a braai, and ofcourse the obligatory jokes.

Congrats Argentina, England and Italy.

Rankings now are:

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 92.91
2(2) AUSTRALIA 86.37
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 84.69
4(4) ENGLAND 83.09
5(5) FRANCE 83.03
6(6) WALES 80.60
7(7) ARGENTINA 80.29
8(8) IRELAND 79.85
9(9) SCOTLAND 77.97
10(10) SAMOA 77.14
11(11) ITALY 76.89
12(12) TONGA 73.93
13(13) CANADA 71.39
14(14) FIJI 70.60
15(15) GEORGIA 67.95
16(16) JAPAN 67.93
17(17) USA 67.43
18(18) ROMANIA 64.54
19(19) SPAIN 61.63
20(20) RUSSIA 61.23

HERSH wrote:2nd C'mon!!!!!!

2nd spot, Wales!!!!!!

HERSH wrote:

HERSH wrote:2nd C'mon!!!!!!

2nd spot, Wales!!!!!!

When the final whistle blew I took myself a bet you will revisit this within 5 mintues.

Bet!

I forgot about that, I just won £200+

Hersh a woman makes me hard!
But what seems to make your ickle willy hard is a Welsh loss! strange boy

After the week of abuse I've got just for saying Arg will win I think I'm allowed to have a little one.

Why you telling lies HESHE?
You didn't win 200 quid, your not old enough to gamble.

Irl v SA result could be interesting. Any win by Ireland will move them up one to sixth and leave Argentina where they are. A win by SA consolidates their position and Ireland rooted in 8th.

Looking forward to the Ireland game, they seem to play well against the Saffers.

viewtothegym wrote:Looking forward to the Ireland game, they seem to play well against the Saffers.

Mentally, Ireland are starting the game 60-0.

Another poor loss today and they'll be lucky to retain second seed ranking.

16-12 to SA against Ireland.

Revised rankings table:

Rankings now are:

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 92.91
2(2) AUSTRALIA 86.37
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 85.51
4(4) ENGLAND 83.09
5(5) FRANCE 83.03
6(6) WALES 80.60
7(7) ARGENTINA 80.29
8(8) IRELAND 79.03
9(9) SCOTLAND 77.97
10(10) SAMOA 77.14
11(11) ITALY 76.89
12(12) TONGA 73.93
13(13) CANADA 71.39
14(14) FIJI 70.60
15(15) GEORGIA 67.95
16(16) JAPAN 67.93
17(17) USA 67.43
18(18) ROMANIA 64.54
19(19) SPAIN 61.63
20(20) RUSSIA 61.23


Up next - France v Australia.

France are 23-6 up against the Aussies. I presume that if it stays like that France will go above England and Australia will possibly drop below South Africa?