Vicious Victor Ortiz

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What do you make of this guy?

He had a tough upbringing he and his brother were abandoned by his parents and left to fend for themselves grew up in care.

Seems like nice guy now, but use to deal drugs.

Had a big bust up with Robert Garcia so much so he doesn't speak to his brother because he trains Ortiz now.

As for his boxing, promised a lot in the amateurs till he ran into Amir Khan who boxed his ears off and stopped him in two because the fight was so one sided.

Got into a war with Maidana but quit went it go too tough, claiming he didn't deserve to get beating up like this and to look at his face.

Started well against Peterson but then got out boxed and looked clueless in the latter rounds.

Fought a good fight against Berto, but still got put down twice and was very easy to hit when Berto decided to get of the ropes and throw some punches. Did well when Berto was on the ropes centre of the ring he struggled.

And Berto and easy guy to hit himself and was untested at that level.

What is your opinion on Vicious Victor Ortiz?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hope the mods are going to be watching this guy's "contribution"......

to the boards...

We watch everything Truss

Reminds me of Logan's run...this site.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Bob wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Subtle as a sledgehammer in the head...

Careful on the rhetoric there Truss. It doesn't like rhetoric..........

Definition of RHETORIC
1
: the art of speaking or writing effectively: as
a : the study of principles and rules of composition formulated by critics of ancient times
b : the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion
2
a : skill in the effective use of speech
b : a type or mode of language or speech; also : insincere or grandiloquent language
3
: verbal communication : discourse

Very informative, D4.

Now you just need to learn the meanings of the words :

debate

and

impartiality

You could also try the word :

monotony

Speaking of which, I saw Manny on CNN INternational a day or two ago, singing ' Sometimes When We Touch.'

Doesn't he ever change the record, either ?

de·bate (d-bt)
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
v.intr.
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.
4. Obsolete To fight or quarrel.
v.tr.
1. To deliberate on; consider.
2. To dispute or argue about.
3. To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
4. Obsolete To fight or argue for or over.
n.
1. A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
2. Deliberation; consideration: passed the motion with little debate.
3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.
4. Obsolete Conflict; strife.

anyone who would like to discuss ortiz feel free at anytime....

He's been back two minutes and I'm bored already..

eddyfightfan wrote:anyone who would like to discuss ortiz feel free at anytime....

He's a strong, young lion. No two ways about that.

eddyfightfan wrote:ortiz is a decent fight for mayweather, better than taking on a fighter years past his best and trying to make it out as a 50/50 fight (pacquiao), there is always the chance with someone like ortiz that he will train his heart out, and go all guns blazing. its a risk he doesnt need to take. BUT, in reality ortiz is a come forwards fighter, who is easy to hit and telegraph. his record isnt as great as made out and his decision to quit against maidana showed a serious lack of heart when things get tough. he won berto, but berto himself lacks wins over any serious contender. mayweather looks as crisp as ever, and it would be a real shock if he doesnt win this comfortably. mayweather is head and shoulders better than any fighter out there with the exception of you know who, and i take my hat of to him for taking a risk he doesnt need to take, but i think he will have given his choice of opponent a lot of thought and will be very confident he can beat him.

Yeah I think Mayweather could stop Ortiz maybe around 6-9rds. The guy is so easy to hit and is not very cute with his punches. Mayweather will stand straight infront of him and make Ortiz miss. Ortiz mental fragility will go as soon as he realises he can't win and he could quit again or Floyd could even KO him.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Bob wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Subtle as a sledgehammer in the head...

Careful on the rhetoric there Truss. It doesn't like rhetoric..........

Definition of RHETORIC
1
: the art of speaking or writing effectively: as
a : the study of principles and rules of composition formulated by critics of ancient times
b : the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion
2
a : skill in the effective use of speech
b : a type or mode of language or speech; also : insincere or grandiloquent language
3
: verbal communication : discourse

Very informative, D4.

Now you just need to learn the meanings of the words :

debate

and

impartiality

You could also try the word :

monotony

Speaking of which, I saw Manny on CNN INternational a day or two ago, singing ' Sometimes When We Touch.'

Doesn't he ever change the record, either ?

de·bate (d-bt)
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
v.intr.
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.
4. Obsolete To fight or quarrel.
v.tr.
1. To deliberate on; consider.
2. To dispute or argue about.
3. To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
4. Obsolete To fight or argue for or over.
n.
1. A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
2. Deliberation; consideration: passed the motion with little debate.
3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.
4. Obsolete Conflict; strife.

Don't see anything there about issuing doctrines and dismissing conflicting opinions with distortions, innuendo and rumour.

Anyway, have to dash. Got into it with my next door neighbour about a lawnmower deal gone bad and I believe he's sent some meaty looking pensioners to my door wielding walking sticks.

You'll see it on youtube, tomorrow, with a soundtrack featuring a gangsta rap of ' English Country Garden.'

Come to think of it, I believe one of them is Manny's next scheduled opponent after Marquez.

Lot of quitting going around lately. Hell, even Mosley wanted a piece of the action.

No... said pensioner has to be whupped by Floyd first remember!!

Even Schaefer is already trying to line up Khan for Mayweather next, that how much faith Ortiz's own promoter has in him.

Ortiz when asked how are you going to beat Mayweather, he replies I don't know yet, this is about 5 weeks before the fight?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:No... said pensioner has to be whupped by Floyd first remember!!

And then age about another fifteen years.

Sanatogen is working wonders for Windy's wit.

D4thincarnation wrote:Even Schaefer is already trying to line up Khan for Mayweather next, that how much faith Ortiz's own promoter has in him.

Ortiz when asked how are you going to beat Mayweather, he replies I don't know yet, this is about 5 weeks before the fight?

Still not as cynical and as disgusting a piece of exploitation as the shambolic Mosley v Pac affair.

You, of course, were in a minority of approximately one in proclaiming it a great fight. The world knew better and the world was right.

You were shamefacedly wrong.

Bob wrote:Sanatogen is working wonders for Windy's wit.

I had to try, mate. I thought you'd taken the rest of the night off.

Take the wheel. You're better at it than I am.

Khan and Ortiz are goldenboy hoes. Khan avoids live opponents and chases old crusty men. Barrera was bad enough but Morales? why are Khan and his camp chasing that fight? and then you bet ya bottom dollar they will run straight for Mayweather win or loose its big money. Khan neglects to prove himself already believing he is above his peers, the David Haye approach. He did it in UK and now on a world stage. I hope he gets PRESCOTTED again and for good.

Alas, I have to go and fight the drunken throwbacks of Sheffield shortly.

Believe it or not I'd rather stay and talk at D4th.

I would be very surprised if Floyd loses a round against Ortiz.

Floyd is around 1/7 to beat Ortiz, a very heavy favourite.

I think Vitali is only around 1/4 for this weekends fight.

Don't get me wrong Ortiz is not a bad fighter, but is not a A level fighter, has not proved he is B level as yet as well.

Bob wrote:Alas, I have to go and fight the drunken throwbacks of Sheffield shortly.

Believe it or not I'd rather stay and talk at D4th.

I believe you

D4thincarnation wrote:



Don't get me wrong Ortiz is not a bad fighter, but is not a A level fighter, has not proved he is B level as yet as well.

One day maybe he'll reach the lofty heights of Salita or Clottey.

Clottey beats Ortiz for me, probably stops him.

Bob wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:



Don't get me wrong Ortiz is not a bad fighter, but is not a A level fighter, has not proved he is B level as yet as well.

One day maybe he'll reach the lofty heights of Salita or Clottey.

And if he lives long enough he can be as lively a challenger as Mosley.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Even Schaefer is already trying to line up Khan for Mayweather next, that how much faith Ortiz's own promoter has in him.

Ortiz when asked how are you going to beat Mayweather, he replies I don't know yet, this is about 5 weeks before the fight?

Still not as cynical and as disgusting a piece of exploitation as the shambolic Mosley v Pac affair.

You, of course. were in a minority of approximately one in proclaiming it a great fight. The world knew better and the world was right.

You were shamefacedly wrong.

Would that be the same Pacquiao-Mosley fight which Arum put together instead of Pacquiao-Marquez III, because THAT fight (JMM) wasn't a very big draw? You know, the same Pacquiao-Marquez III which Arum's now describing as:

...a classic classic match

(http://www.gmanews.tv/pbr/article/231341/sports/pacquiao-marquez-bout-will-be-classic-match-bob-arum)

and:

It’ll be the biggest Manny fight on pay-per-view, going over the 1.4 million for the (Sugar Shane) Mosley fight

http://www.philstar.com/thedeanscorner/articlescontent.aspx?articleid=724621&publicationsubcategoryid=69

I dunno about anyone else, but I believe the man wholeheartedly(!)

With Mosley's power and Ortiz being so easy to hit, difficult to see how Ortiz could win that one

apparently mayweather has said if khan wants a fight he can have it as long as he beats jessie vargas first, his up and comer fighter 16-0-0.

1 2 i wouldnt say khan avoids live opponents, maidana was decent, judah was IBF champion and he offered bradley a very decent offer, the best fighter at 140.

eddyfightfan wrote:apparently mayweather has said if khan wants a fight he can have it as long as he beats jessie vargas first, his up and comer fighter 16-0-0.

1 2 i wouldnt say khan avoids live opponents, maidana was decent, judah was IBF champion and he offered bradley a very decent offer, the best fighter at 140.

Mayweaher just trying to promote his fighter there.

Mayweather just can't duck Khan as well, can he?

D4thincarnation wrote:With Mosley's power and Ortiz being so easy to hit, difficult to see how Ortiz could win that one

Your arguments are the easiest to hit I've ever seen, but you never fall. When I was a kid I had a funny shaped man who looked like Bernard Manning, except that he was rainbow coloured. Anyway, instead of legs he had half a sphere, with a heavy weight inside. Come to think of it, he could have been my first mother in law with her legs cut off. Anyway, you could kick seven bells out of this thing but it never went anywhere and still had that stupid grin as if to say ' You can't beat me. '

Just like trying to debate Manny and Floyd with you. You're easily beaten, but you're the only one in the world who doesn't know it.

Sorry Tino, but your award has been revoked.
Windy wins today's post of the day!

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:With Mosley's power and Ortiz being so easy to hit, difficult to see how Ortiz could win that one

You're arguments are the easiest to hit I've ever seen, but you never fall. When I was a kid I had a funny shaped man who looked like Bernard Manning, except that he was rainbow coloured. Anyway, instead of legs he had half a sphere, with a heavy weight inside. Come to think of it, he could have been my first mother in law with her legs cut off. Anyway, you could kick seven bells out of this thing but it never went anywhere and still had that stupid grin as if to say ' You can't beat me. '

Just like trying to debate Manny and Floyd with you. You're easily beaten, but you're the only one in the world who doesn't know it.

A Weeble?

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:With Mosley's power and Ortiz being so easy to hit, difficult to see how Ortiz could win that one

Your arguments are the easiest to hit I've ever seen, but you never fall. When I was a kid I had a funny shaped man who looked like Bernard Manning, except that he was rainbow coloured. Anyway, instead of legs he had half a sphere, with a heavy weight inside. Come to think of it, he could have been my first mother in law with her legs cut off. Anyway, you could kick seven bells out of this thing but it never went anywhere and still had that stupid grin as if to say ' You can't beat me. '

Just like trying to debate Manny and Floyd with you. You're easily beaten, but you're the only one in the world who doesn't know it.

It sounds like you are describing a Bobo doll, a few psychological experiments were carried out using those things back in the 60s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHHdovKHDNU

Is that you Windy?

well i'll give this thread up as a bad job, there is a non boxing related thread if you want to talk Poopie to each other you know

D4thincarnation wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHHdovKHDNU

Is that you Windy?

Close, mate, and yours is damned funny, but mine was smaller and rounder.

eddyfightfan wrote:well i'll give this thread up as a bad job, there is a non boxing related thread if you want to talk Poopie to each other you know

You can't be all that surprised, surely?

eddyfightfan wrote:well i'll give this thread up as a bad job, there is a non boxing related thread if you want to talk Poopie to each other you know

Bloody Hell now eddy's at it !

What on Earth is going on, here ?

eddyfightfan wrote:well i'll give this thread up as a bad job, there is a non boxing related thread if you want to talk Poopie to each other you know

Somebody needs a hug.............

What would people say Ortiz's best attribute is?

I'm genuinely don't know what it is.

Bob wrote:

eddyfightfan wrote:well i'll give this thread up as a bad job, there is a non boxing related thread if you want to talk Poopie to each other you know

Somebody needs a hug.............

or a stiff drink.

D4thincarnation wrote:What would people say Ortiz's best attribute is?

I'm genuinely don't know what it is.

he has great skin. lovely complexion

D4thincarnation wrote:What would people say Ortiz's best attribute is?

I'm genuinely don't know what it is.

Not having been scheduled his first hip replacement would put him one ahead of Mosley.

eddyfightfan wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:What would people say Ortiz's best attribute is?

I'm genuinely don't know what it is.

he has great skin. lovely complexion

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/08/26/0826-boxer-launch-credit.jpg

that from your personal stash D4? i beleive its called a w@nk bank?

Coming tomorrow.........

The "Can Manny beat PRIME Marquez" thread!!

Y I Man wrote:Sorry Tino, but your award has been revoked.
Windy wins today's post of the day!

Eat my ass Y I Man.

You don't make these decisions. The Windster wouldn't break my heart like that.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Coming tomorrow.........

The "Can Manny beat PRIME Marquez" thread!!

When he hits that prime we'll maybe find out. Around 2034?

The only time you get a post of the day is from the mailman.

Can we not just ban this clown, this is the sole reason why the moderation on here is a joke.

http://www.pkr.com/en/community/players/2782006/

HumanWindmill wrote:http://www.pkr.com/en/community/players/2782006/

Speaks volumes.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Can we not just ban this clown, this is the sole reason why the moderation on here is a joke.

If you think a certain member should be banned when they dont break site rules, can we extend that rule to others as well?
You sure you want us to go down that route?